Guild Wars 2

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Last 10 where ever you want it (I think I am currently running “Spiteful marks VII” in spite). Reapers protection is nice (VII in death magic), as is Ritual mastery (VIII in blood magic).

Sigil in scepter as you choose (again I think I am running Sigil of Doom).

Feel free to take out Well of Suffering and swap with either Well of Darkness, or Well of Power depending on other teams setup.

I think if you are going to argue that Necro is underpowered, you dont focus on our Condition Spec’s. We arent an overpowered class when built for conditions, but we are perfectly viable and we have unique skills.

If your going to argue that Necro is underpowered, make a decent arguement. Use our pure power builds.

Dagger with no gap close.
Dagger with no burst.

Compared to our condition/hybrid specs, which we have lots and lots of viable specs and lots and lots of gear setups.

So yeah, we arent under powered, we arent overpowered in general. Necro are middle tier.

Someone has to be right?

Stof.9584:

Necroes are balanced.

There are no misconceptions: if you’re bad Necro makes you play worse, but if you’re skilled Necro can be very strong.

Since a lot of people are posting, please forgive me if I don’t respond to you specifically. I’ll try to respond to the larger post, but there are quite a few.
-This one, necro’s are balanced in a way, but balanced is only good if everyone else is. Also, a very skilled (insert another proffession here) Is more preferable.
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Wells and such: Wells can be used in condition builds, as the ground targeting runs in the same tree as conditions. Also, if you replace wells with corruption skills its essentially the same thing for corrupt boon and really a preference for the others vs epidemic. Also avoiding wells is just as easy as avoiding epidemic honestly.(interrupt and there goes your 40 second combo).

Corrupt boon + epidemic: Epidemic has a radius of 600, its not going to spread to absolutely everyone. This combo requires 2 utility slots, and really is just a one-trick pony. Its alright, but its primarily useful in hotjoins and such, competitive play its a no-no.

Ebola on the minions: Oh your right, i could forsake death nova and get both. Kind of makes the same point in the end though.
-Also minion ai is horrible. Its so inconsistent its just silly. If it wasn’t I’d be totally for minion builds.
-BAD LINKS
-Anyway, i get the gist of the conditions, I never considered bleed duration to begin with honestly. The problem I had is that necro’s had lower damage and bleeds stack slower to begin with.(regardless of top damage that is impossible to reach in pvp). Your Idea was to spam conditions so that bleed doesn’t get removed? Its a good idea in a way, but has one huuuuuge downside. Conditions(ours especially) don’t prevent actual damage, especially crit(weakness has a 50% reduction chance). This leads to generally any range class just going “lol”. We don’t have a ridiculous amount of blinds, or poison for that matter(its all really short). And not to be just REALLY OBVIOUS, but throwing out conditions won’t stop any random person from just running up to you and bursting you down. We don’t have a lot of control, something a necro really should be the king of.(especially with weak conditions).
-Lol @ explaining healing skills. Thanks, I can read descriptions and its not needed.
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DS and LF

Death shroud is generally a huge misconception. People think “oh you can just tank and such and such” No. It ticks down regardless, and it has ridiculously long cooldowns that (unless traited) you are probably only gonna use once. The health regen heals your LF not your actual health(which again, unless traited just barely heals you over the tick if at all).

Regen, unless traited is awful. Even then a lot of the necro’s regen doesn’t get boosted with healing power by much(if at all incase of minions).
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Again, its cute that people think w/e build does damage is viable, and yeah….in hotjoins it probably is. Hell, any burst/offensive build is viable “if you play with your team” regardless if you get 1 shot by an auto attack(exagerration for you sensationalist).

Survivability with necro is either relatively high(below bunkers), or non existent. We are sitting ducks with almost every offensive build you guys have put up.(cept fear, but that is primarily a cc build so w/e). I’m just laughing at the "yeah corrupt boon + epedimic!, while any burst will just completely faceroll you.

Hey we can be sub-par bunkers or sub-par offensive, that is our choice.

Double quote. (bleh)

Do your-self a favor and take the advice of some of the really good necros in this thread.

Shananigans.8412:

Do your-self a favor and take the advice of some of the really good necros in this thread.

How about not?

I’m still unsuree what a “really good necro” is, please, enlighten me. Is it someone who suggest cookie cutter builds? How about builds with glaring flaws? Oh, better yet minion builds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jXb1ck3vts
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Just curious, what advice did you actually see?

(TLDR: OP has no clue…)

I shouldn’t respond, but since your bumping your own thread and quoting yourself, I might as well jump right in…

So as Stof and other posters pointed out, Necros are generally pretty balanced.

Anyway…

Moving on

“Corrupt boon + epidemic: Epidemic has a radius of 600, its not going to spread to absolutely everyone.” Yeah you are right, you generally cant hit every opponent on the map with epidemic, because often not all of your opponents are in the same spot, sometimes they happen in other areas……….. Sorry but your point is stupid…

Epidemic & corrupt boon, is not really a 1 trick pony, you will probably notice when you actually play spvp, that most of the fights occur on point, meaning people (ie; more than one) are standing on the control point in order to cap, now when you use epidemic on opponents on point it pretty much covers the area. As you are probably aware a lot of points aren’t necessarily huge (roughly 600’ or so) with the exception of the GY, generally if your not fighting on point, as in somewhere randomly on the map, your not really helping your team any… By timing your epidemic and not spamming it, I think you’ll find it to be a lot more effective…

Oh did I mention – epidemic has a 15 sec?!?!? cooldown, so its really not a huge amount of down time for your ‘one trick pony’, and as for corrupt boon, its very situational, but if you are smart you can use it to give you the upper hand in a fight – you don’t necessarily have to use it only in conjunction with epidemic… In the build I posted previously its easy enough to swap out for blood is power or any other utility depending on the team your facing as well…..

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Wells… again I’d hate to break it to you but wells with corruption skills are not essentially the same thing as corrupt boon, not only do they corrupt slower (ie; over time and not all at once like corrupt boon does) but they offer zone control, so while they have sort of similar functions in a way, they are used very differently….

Moving on

“Ebola on the minions: Oh your right, i could forsake death nova and get both. Kind of makes the same point in the end though.” – Yeah not really, you were kinda specific on that point. It just further serves to make my point though – you obviously have no idea…

Your last comment was “Half these builds contradict each other anyway, you can’t just pick ALL the traits guys, cmon now.” – In your minion argument that’s exactly what you are complaining about – not being able to pick all the kitten traits…… >_<

I do agree however that minion AI can be a bit flakey at times, but wierd AI issues don’t happen all the time, for the most part its pretty good. Would be great if they fixed it though.

Moving on

Bad Links – yeah try copy/paste into your address bar…, its not too hard to do and if you get stuck try use google

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‘Anyway, i get the gist of the conditions’ – No, apparently you don’t. You go on to only talk about the damage they do and the lack of control a necro has. You do realise that the majority of conditions are all about control (slow/immobilise/reduced heal etc..) and that there are only a few conditions that only do damage right? Its the reason why most necro attacks do normal damage as well…

So forgive me for thinking that you really have no concept of what conditions are and what they do….

And not to be REALLY OBVIOUS, but if your build has no HP, you have no access to boons like protection, or ones that make your opponent think twice about attacking you – like retaliation, you have no ability to kite or dodge AND you have no utility or weapon skills available as well as no Death Shroud you probably deserve to get bursted down..

Moving on

DS and LF

Heh this one made me laugh, yeah you’re right it does have a ridiculously long CD if its not traited, that whole 10 seconds!?!?, that you have to wait before being able to activate DS again sure is a killer….

For a skill that allows you to live longer, which you can trait to have an even more reduced CD and faster LF gain I think it serves its purpose pretty well, in a pressured situation its all about lasting just a little bit longer till your next cooldown.

Maybe its just me, but I’m pretty sure the intention of DS is not to spend the entire match in it, it seems to work better as a last resort, to soak damage spikes – hence the instant cast time and/or get access to boons, or place conditions on your opponents.

Oh and by stacking health over toughness, your DS will last a lot longer…

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As you have guessed stacking healing doesn’t really pay out as it doesn’t work with some traits such as minion healing, life siphon etc, however again I think your missing the whole picture here.

While necro skills only give a smaller amount of life, any bunker build or build with healing in mind usually have multiple traits or abilities that give you health back. Now these ‘smaller amounts’ all combined actually give you quite a decent healing rate and that is before you have regen up or use your actual heal skill…

Oh and “-Lol @ explaining healing skills. Thanks, I can read descriptions and its not needed” Apparently you do actually find it difficult to understand, based on your grasp on builds as well as what abilities and utilities do, you have no obviously have no clue (I think this is why people feel the need to explain things to you).

It also seems your build in spvp has no talent points spent anywhere based on your often ridiculous arguments (no poison for example).

Moving on

So from the last part of your post that you seem to think every offensive build makes you a sitting duck.. Sorry, I think that’s just you, as there are a number of builds out there that will do quite decent damage without sacrificing too much in terms of survivability. – even the minion build (same with the condition build – if you can use it well) I posted earlier will put out decent damage, while giving you decent survivability.

Other classes have a lot harder time surviving than a necro does and to be honest necro has some of the best bunker and condition builds available, which pretty much leaves only offensive builds, and yeah we can do pretty decent offensive builds too.. Try an offensive minion build sometime, you can drop opponents very fast…

Ebola, your arguments are again, pointless. It seems as if the majority of them come from hotjoins/wvw strategy of just nuking a point without thought that anyone might fight back.

Cool, epidemic has a low cooldown, sadly no one said anything to the contrary. Hey spreading conditions is a nice thought, if you can sit an nuke a point. I doubt anyone would actually let you but this must be one of those parts where “team play”(basically your team carrying you) comes into play right? I mean your argument is what, that you can use it over and over? Who’s just going to sit there and let you do that? As far as I know necro is target # 1 because they have aoe and they are probably the easiest class to down with focusing.
- One trick pony being epidemic + corrupt boon, pay attention to what you are responding to.
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Wells, great, they are different. Again, nothing to the contrary.

moving on
-If half my minions bug out and are not consistent on being just basic AI, its not worth picking a minion build. It is that simple of a choice.

moving on
Not DS, the skills within. Your reading comprehension is lacking, but to the point: DS needs to be built, it is very limiting, and people overblow this as a “whole nother hp bar” when it clearly can be punished in every regard, even by burst classes.

Moving on
Ebola is your comeback" you have no clue"? You say this and then have nothing else to say. If you don’t want to comment in that section, don’t.
-Poison example was again, that we have poison, it just is very very awful. Does little damage and last a short while. But hey, reading comprehension isn’t your thing
-See what I did there? I repeated my self, because I was too lazy to come up with a comeback for a simple “nah-uh”. Even though in my case I gave a reason and you just kind of….don’t. Insults are for children eh?
-Oh and Lol @ “your build must have no traits” what? Are you just that pathetic man? Cmon.

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Pfft, i’m sorry ebola, what?! We have some of the best bunker builds? Really? You are going to argue that necro can compete with guardian/ele? really? This is just a bad lie. Not really that funny but it sort of is.
-Again, minion builds as whole(EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM) are awful because the ai just bugs out. Happens quite a bit, and I’d rather not let my gameplay be changed by chance of ai.
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The part about the “sitting duck” you didn’t get so let me explain: Necro’s as whole(every single build!) are meant to sit there and take it. This really comes into play with power/hybrid builds, as they assume no enemy will side-shot them or unload on them as well. That is why I scoff at these builds. Its like “lets build pure damage” and thinking the pitiful DS and slightly higher hp of a necro will save them.(it won’t). What really irks me is that people think necro’s are on par with other classes. We have almost no damage mitigation besides DS which btw can be cc’ed easily and then you literally are just sitting there. Oh you can double your hp with a transformation alright, but again, conditions and/or stability removed and you are helpless. I take personal joy in knocking down Lich/plague necro’s.
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TLDR on paper necro seems balanced. It may be, but doesn’t mean the other classes are going to fit in with that.

Also: ebola don’t be lazy. If you are going to argue at least come up with a better comeback than “obviously not” and then doing nothing to explain.

Shananigans.8412:

Do your-self a favor and take the advice of some of the really good necros in this thread.

Ill back up shananigans Didnt care to read through every post, but i play mainly top tier and have subbed/played with/for many top teams. You honestly are under-rating what necros can do and probably have never played in a high enough setting.

- Zombify