Guild Wars 2

Hey guys,

Let me start off by stating that there are pros and cons to having equal stat gear in sPvP, and no links to the rest of the game.

Some pros are:
- Not needed to be level 80, can start sPvP without touching PvE
- Equal ground, no grinding, etc.

Some cons:
- No sense of progression besides rank/cosmetics
- No feel of connection between sPvP and PvE / WvW

There are obviously more, but that’s besides the point of the suggestion I’m about to make.

I have talked to some friends, and there is a definite need or want to make the connection, to feel a sense of accomplishment with the endgame and/or PvP.

Therefore, the following suggestion arises:

- Try out a pilot with a seperate sPvP that uses your own PvE gear, and works the same as in WvW (similar to WoW battlegrounds). No need to remove the current sPvP.

Simply monitor and see which of the two variants are liked/played more, and monitor the feedback.

Further goals, if this turns out to work, could be to add achievements to the gear-based sPvP that progresses your overall character/account, such as gear (just looks, no worries), or something similar.

Please discuss.

PS: I’m sorry if this is in the wrong section (couldn’t find any suggestion section).

This would instantly make me quit GW2 forever. If I wanted to grind for gear I’d play pve. I don’t though, I want competitive games where skill is important. So I play PVP not WVW.

nope, wouldn’t touch guild wars 2 ever again.

I think you guys are missing the point. Exotic gear is not really hard to get, and there are no gear grinds after that (as long as they don’t get added).

Exotic vs Exotic (ascended is a mere 5% boost) should be balanced, similarly to PVP gear, but more personal and rewarding.

Nymru.2045:

I think you guys are missing the point. Exotic gear is not really hard to get, and there are no gear grinds after that (as long as they don’t get added).

Exotic vs Exotic (ascended is a mere 5% boost) should be balanced, similarly to PVP gear, but more personal and rewarding.

nope. sPvP = structured Player vs Player.
which means everyone gets the same stats allocation.
that is not possible when PvE / WvW comes into play.

Nymru.2045:

I think you guys are missing the point. Exotic gear is not really hard to get, and there are no gear grinds after that (as long as they don’t get added).

Exotic vs Exotic (ascended is a mere 5% boost) should be balanced, similarly to PVP gear, but more personal and rewarding.

Nope. Not only is there ascended gear which is a huge grind, but having to do ANYTHING to get the same stats on gear as other players is against the principle and would make me (and I recon a lot of true pvpers) never touch the game again.

Even the 25 skillpoints for the new heal in pvp is a joke and arenanet said that they will remedy that.

The PvP is bad enough as it is, we don’t need a gear threadmill on top of that.

Please go back to World of Warcraft.

Spiuk.8421:

The PvP is bad enough as it is, we don’t need a gear threadmill on top of that.

Please go back to World of Warcraft.

That was completely uncalled for.

I understand what you guys are talking about. That’s why I said a pilot attempt could be interesting. Nothing would change yet, it’s simply an experiment to survey how well it would work.

How else could they make a more interesting link between the different segments of the game?

i dont understand that suggestion. u have all competitive stats like in pve and u keep your cosmetic.

Nymru.2045:

hooma.9642:

i dont understand that suggestion. u have all competitive stats like in pve and u keep your cosmetic.

The suggestion is how to carry over PvP rewards to PvE and vice versa. I think if you read the whole text it should be clear :P

how about read the dev-blog?

hooma.9642:

i dont understand that suggestion. u have all competitive stats like in pve and u keep your cosmetic.

The suggestion is how to carry over PvP rewards to PvE and vice versa. I think if you read the whole text it should be clear :P

Nymru.2045:

How else could they make a more interesting link between the different segments of the game?

as for more links between sPvP and PvE WvW that would be a different topic.

but trying to link PvE WvW with sPvP via PvE WvW gears would not work out.

if you wanna link, do consider other methods.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Nymru.2045:

How else could they make a more interesting link between the different segments of the game?

as for more links between sPvP and PvE WvW that would be a different topic.

but trying to link PvE WvW with sPvP via PvE WvW gears would not work out.

if you wanna link, do consider other methods.

I semi-agree.

Whilst having karma/gold rewards in PvP helps in your PvE, it’s not a progression for your overall character as a whole.

Now I see that the idea of ‘grinding’ for gear is a HUGE turnoff for people, but that was not even close to my intention with the thread (albeit I did expect the reaction).

Example: You spent 100 hours on 1 character in PvE, got nice looking gear, feel good about the char. Now you go in sPvP, and none of it carries over.

Similarly: You spent 100 hours on 1 character in sPvP, got a high rank competitively, got nice sPvP cosmetics, but none of it carries over to PvE if you wish to play that.

If there’s a way to merge this, that would be perfect. I see using your own gear as a means to that, without any massive grind.

NOTE: The suggestion is a PILOT not a full REPLACEMENT.

No, this will never happen. Any energy spent on further developing this idea is energy lost. The Guildwars franchise is built around the fact that there is no gear treadmill in pvp.

Nymru,
there are players who only plays sPvP and not PvE / WvW at all.

yes, grind is a huge turn off, i myself detest grind so i play PvE WvW very casually. my PvE WvW warrior only has ascended trinkets (backitem amulet rings accessories) and not ascended weapons or armor yet since the grind is huge. i choose not to grind for those.

though well in the past i did casually grind (one low medium say 10 – 20 fractal run per night over the course of many nights) some fractals to secure my non shiny ascended back item which i did not display as i am not a fan of fancy back items.

as for PvE WvW skins and sPvP interchanging, that feature is coming, not yet, but it will come. in the future, sPvP armor weapons skins can be used in PvE WvW. also, PvW WvW skins can be used in sPvP, this feature is being worked on. rest assured.

as for stats, sPvP stats needs to be standardized, we cannot use PvE WvW stats for sPvP because if we do that, it would not be structured anymore.

Nymru.2045:

Example: You spent 100 hours on 1 character in PvE, got nice looking gear, feel good about the char. Now you go in sPvP, and none of it carries over.

The look will carry over. The stats will not.

Huh? No the look doesn’t carry over. You have a completely different aesthetic (gearwise)

If I can have the same stats I have in WvW in spvp I would spend almost all my time in spvp.

Nymru.2045:

Huh? No the look doesn’t carry over. You have a completely different aesthetic (gearwise)

The look WILL carry over. As in future tense. As in being worked on. Capice?

Nymru.2045:

Huh? No the look doesn’t carry over. You have a completely different aesthetic (gearwise)

Nymru, in the future, the look will carry over. not yet though. they are still working on that.

it will never happen because it would eliminate the equality that defines spvp. And equality isn’t just equality in gear, it’s also being able to make any profession you want an take it right to the mists, pvp players have their character select screen full of level 2’s and with this you would eliminate that. People would have to level a character straight to 80 and then get geat in order to get any profession they deem strong enough to play with.
And not only that, there’s a reason why spvp only has the amulets. Power creep is already a problem in spvp, but it’s even a bigger problem in wvw with the stupidly high stats. This is just a bad idea, many have mentioned this and it just won’t work. The closest that I think COULD work is choosing the power of stats in the amulets, like a thief taking zerk amulet but choosing with a higher vitality number and lower power/precision. But even this would maybe be too strong, specially on warriors.

ahuba.6430:

it will never happen because it would eliminate the equality that defines spvp. And equality isn’t just equality in gear, it’s also being able to make any profession you want an take it right to the mists, pvp players have their character select screen full of level 2’s and with this you would eliminate that. People would have to level a character straight to 80 and then get geat in order to get any profession they deem strong enough to play with.
And not only that, there’s a reason why spvp only has the amulets. Power creep is already a problem in spvp, but it’s even a bigger problem in wvw with the stupidly high stats. This is just a bad idea, many have mentioned this and it just won’t work. The closest that I think COULD work is choosing the power of stats in the amulets, like a thief taking zerk amulet but choosing with a higher vitality number and lower power/precision. But even this would maybe be too strong, specially on warriors.

ahuba,
what do you think about breaking up the spvp amulet + spvp jewel into 12 components and let people mix and match?

just like in the first beta weekend.

or could that make some professions too powerful?

i.e.

amulet + jewel
backitem + jewel

ring 1 + jewel
ring 2 + jewel

accessory 1 + jewel
accessory 2 + jewel

the total stats are still the same.
amulet:
major + 798
minor + 569
minor + 569

jewel:
major +125
minor +75
minor +75

they need to add more stats in spvp …. i would enjoy more ….
not just a few braindead trinkets …

for the other stuffs like exotic – ascend
if you play often u should have enough gold / glory to purchase a lv 80 char with full exotic gears.

there is no need for ascend gears if you are good as you claim to be.

Besides the whole “it goes against the philosophy of the game” it would increase the power of players damage and we don’t want more of that.

Liza.2758:

they need to add more stats in spvp …. i would enjoy more ….
not just a few braindead trinkets …

for the other stuffs like exotic – ascend
if you play often u should have enough gold / glory to purchase a lv 80 char with full exotic gears.

there is no need for ascend gears if you are good as you claim to be.

“play often” means playing outside of pvp, which is completely against what was advertised in this game. And like i said, pvp players are always creating a deleting lvl 2 toons to get classes ready to swap pre-match. its part of strategy and this would kill that.

There’s no reason to pair pve stats with grinding pve gear. It is 100% doable to provide pve stat armor that can be gotten for free from merchants like the current spvp gear.

Pve stats make for a far better game, but kitten adding grinding to spvp.

ahuba.6430:

it will never happen because it would eliminate the equality that defines spvp. And equality isn’t just equality in gear, it’s also being able to make any profession you want an take it right to the mists, pvp players have their character select screen full of level 2’s and with this you would eliminate that. People would have to level a character straight to 80 and then get geat in order to get any profession they deem strong enough to play with.
And not only that, there’s a reason why spvp only has the amulets. Power creep is already a problem in spvp, but it’s even a bigger problem in wvw with the stupidly high stats. This is just a bad idea, many have mentioned this and it just won’t work. The closest that I think COULD work is choosing the power of stats in the amulets, like a thief taking zerk amulet but choosing with a higher vitality number and lower power/precision. But even this would maybe be too strong, specially on warriors.

Valid point. However, my suggestion is not replacing the system, but running a pilot with gear NEXT to the current system, just to try out how it goes. I never said it needs to be entirely removed

Also:

Lopez.7369:

This suggestion should honestly be bannable on these forums.

Completely uncalled for. This is a forum for discussion. If you disagree, give constructive arguements.

Think about it. No need to turn informative discussions into cesspools

dreztina.4820:

There’s no reason to pair pve stats with grinding pve gear. It is 100% doable to provide pve stat armor that can be gotten for free from merchants like the current spvp gear.

Pve stats make for a far better game, but kitten adding grinding to spvp.

well, PvE WvW stats are scattered across all wearable gear: weapons, armor, trinkets and when they all add up, the numbers are higher than sPvP stats.

and i think the critical damage % is much higher in PvE WvW too.

anyway, what do you think about making current sPvP stats spread out across 12 items (6 trinkets + 6 jewels) instead of 2 items? (1 amulet + 1 jewel)

the total stats numbers will still be same.

Nymru.2045:

Spiuk.8421:

The PvP is bad enough as it is, we don’t need a gear threadmill on top of that.

Please go back to World of Warcraft.

That was completely uncalled for.

Yes it was, I apologize.

Bad day :/

@OP – PvP players don’t care about progression. They care about fighting someone with equal stats, and winning.

ArenaNet can’t do the blatantly obvious class balances that are overwhelmingly demanded by the community without procrastinating for months at a time, coming up with something else entirely that doesn’t actually address any of the real issues, then going: “What do you think of this, instead?”

So good luck getting them to create a whole new PvP system to beta test your idea. Which is not to comment on the merit of your idea, just to say that it won’t happen. Same goes for the guys who want to opt out of downed state, Skyham, the condition meta, hambow warriors, etc.

Equal stats in PvP is Guild Wars canon. They won’t introduce a stat progression, ever. There will be a ‘gear merge’ of some description in the future, which I assume will mean that PvP gear is entirely cosmetic and stats (runes/sigils) are chosen via drop-down menu, or some such.

entropy.9613:

stats (runes/sigils) are chosen via drop-down menu, or some such.

aye i really want them to be drop down menu chosen.
the current system we have via pvp vendor is not that bad, but our toons still need to visit them npc vendors for the stuff.

drop down menu to choose new stats runes sigils would be awesome!

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

drop down menu to choose new stats runes sigils would be awesome!

It would certainly save a lot of stuffing around.

Also, it might help to prevent idiots like me queuing for 20+ matches short a weapon sigil and 6th rune.

I fully support the OP’s idea, and so would any other sane person who puts activity and competition above everything else.
Dat way, pvp will not only gain unprecedented popularity amongst the biggest player base, but also finally rid itself of all the elitist and selfish pvp-only scrubs who don’t have anything better to do than criticize the devs all day long instead of l2p.

Err, yea

some ppl seems to misunderstand something …
i dont think anyone wants “unbalanced stats” or “stats progression” at all.
for example

i have 2x PVT, 4x Berserker armors / 1x celestial, 2x Valkyries, 2x Berserkers trinkets / 1x assassin weapon

this’s what i would like to see in spvp more option more varieties of stats ….
not just braindead trinkets

Liza.2758:

some ppl seems to misunderstand something …
i dont think anyone wants “unbalanced stats” or “stats progression” at all.

OP does.

Nymru.2045:

Some cons:
- No sense of progression besides rank/cosmetics

Sube Dai.8496:

@PvP players don’t care about progression.

Speak for yourself, but I want progression in what I am doing. There is no need in PvPing and beating someone if there is nothing in for me. Just for the “I am better than you” feeling? Nah, thanks…

Nymru.2045:

my suggestion is not replacing the system, but running a pilot with gear NEXT to the current system, just to try out how it goes.

The concept of a pilot is to try something and if it goes well then make it permanent which implies replacing the existing pvp with your concept including gear grinding. A LOT of people bought this game (myself included) because they wanted MMO style PVP without the gear grind. That’s why people are roundly rejecting the entire principal of your idea. It’s not gonna happen…

entropy.9613:

Liza.2758:

some ppl seems to misunderstand something …
i dont think anyone wants “unbalanced stats” or “stats progression” at all.

OP does.

Nymru.2045:

Some cons:
- No sense of progression besides rank/cosmetics

Once again I’ll try to clarify.

I never said I wanted ‘unbalanced’ stats.

Example: Through playing lots of sPvP from the start (without touching PvE if you don’t want to) you might be able (if implemented) to also get exotic gear.

EDIT: By ‘if implemented’ I mean that if they would try something like suggested, there would need to come a grind-free way of obtaining similar gear.

Exotic vs exotic is NOT unbalanced. Note that I am not vouching for gear progression in tiers such as WoW or the like.

Additionally, a full set of exotics is like what, 10 gold? Many players can get this easily, especially if you play sPvP non stop nowadays.

Also for the arguement that people want to delete/reset characters all the time. Gold/Karma/Glory/Rank (for now) is account bound, so that should be no problem, whatsoever.

Of course, the issue remains that if you go past 5 characters, your soulbound exotics could be an issue.

That’s why this is a suggestion for now, with the pilot idea in mind.

:) Hope it clarifies a little.

NO. NEVER. STOP POSTING THIS RIDICULOUS AGENDA OF YOURS. NO PILOT. NO SERIES. NO ENERGY. NO NOTHING. JUST STOP.

You know what you need to even be able to get exotic gear? Yeah, level 80. Tell that to all my level 2 pvp characters on my account.

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

NO. NEVER. STOP POSTING THIS RIDICULOUS AGENDA OF YOURS. NO PILOT. NO SERIES. NO ENERGY. NO NOTHING. JUST STOP.

You know what you need to even be able to get exotic gear? Yeah, level 80. Tell that to all my level 2 pvp characters on my account.

This is a forum right? Who are you to tell people not to discuss topics? If you disagree, voice it. You did, no need to repeat yourself.

I get your point. But you are oblivious to mine.

Read my last post carefully. I stated that if a gear-based (NO GRIND) sPvP could be PILOTED, an alternative way to get similar-to-exotic gear should be implemented as well.

Please refrain from telling me to not discuss and voice my opinion, but you can go around yelling yours

Thanks

If you are saying “NO GRIND” and “no imbalanced stats” then I’m not sure I understand what you are asking for or how it is different than what we have today. Are you talking about being able to use armor skins from PVE in PVP but without any stat advantages from the PVE gear over the normal PVP gear?

I think what most people are objecting to is making it so that grinding can lead to gear that is statistically better than gear someone who doesn’t grind has access to – giving them an advantage (this includes spending gold to get statistically better gear because gaining gold depends on the amount of “grinding” as well).

Just no.

U can create a bridge between pve/www and spvp simply to add the option to import/export the same skins. U don’t need gear progression, pvp needs skill progression with ladder and tournaments.

noooo

pvp is a better pvp environment than wvw because of many things, and more balanced stat distribution is one of them. I think skins should be universally usable between pve/pvp but that’s it.

Nymru.2045:

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

NO. NEVER. STOP POSTING THIS RIDICULOUS AGENDA OF YOURS. NO PILOT. NO SERIES. NO ENERGY. NO NOTHING. JUST STOP.

You know what you need to even be able to get exotic gear? Yeah, level 80. Tell that to all my level 2 pvp characters on my account.

This is a forum right? Who are you to tell people not to discuss topics? If you disagree, voice it. You did, no need to repeat yourself.

I get your point. But you are oblivious to mine.

Read my last post carefully. I stated that if a gear-based (NO GRIND) sPvP could be PILOTED, an alternative way to get similar-to-exotic gear should be implemented as well.

Please refrain from telling me to not discuss and voice my opinion, but you can go around yelling yours

Thanks

You don’t understand your own point. You argue that exotics aren’t expensive and every player should be able to pay 10 gold for them. In the next post you argue with NO GRIND in pvp. Those 2 ideas are mutually exclusive. 10 gold for exotics is a grind, simple as that. And no amount of arguing will change that fact.

PvP must be equal for everyone, no gear, stats, level and kitten differences…already unbalanced the way it is atm…no need for crazy braindead pve style farmers able to do something just because they grinded their rank or went hj\sh farm all day. If you wanna go uber farm epic mode just go wvsw…no need for skill there if you can just outgear ppl…

And i’m r64 btw so it would be a huge advantage to me…but it’s just stupid and i would quit pvp immediately, this is not metin2 nor kitten wow…same pvp lvl\gear\stats for everyone is one of the few things they got from gw1 and it’s totally fine the way it is. No need for more bads running around with no clue just to get some random rewards…daily farming turds are more than enough already…

if they allow players to get pve stated gear in spvp for free and only to use in spvp I think this would be a nice thing to maybe help the pve/wvw players slowly transition to spvp.

Nymru.2045:

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

NO. NEVER. STOP POSTING THIS RIDICULOUS AGENDA OF YOURS. NO PILOT. NO SERIES. NO ENERGY. NO NOTHING. JUST STOP.

You know what you need to even be able to get exotic gear? Yeah, level 80. Tell that to all my level 2 pvp characters on my account.

This is a forum right? Who are you to tell people not to discuss topics? If you disagree, voice it. You did, no need to repeat yourself.

I get your point. But you are oblivious to mine.

Read my last post carefully. I stated that if a gear-based (NO GRIND) sPvP could be PILOTED, an alternative way to get similar-to-exotic gear should be implemented as well.

Please refrain from telling me to not discuss and voice my opinion, but you can go around yelling yours

Thanks

So the people new to PvP will have inferior gear and continually lose until they can afford better gear?

Seriously why would you even suggest this? I don’t think you understand the purpose of PvP.

Noc.2459:

Sube Dai.8496:

@PvP players don’t care about progression.

Speak for yourself, but I want progression in what I am doing. There is no need in PvPing and beating someone if there is nothing in for me. Just for the “I am better than you” feeling? Nah, thanks…

So you want to be rewarded with superior stats for beating someone, so that you can beat them more easily next time?

I don’t think you get PvP either…

Too bad there isn’t a downvote button for this post.

Nymru.2045:

This is a forum right? Who are you to tell people not to discuss topics? If you disagree, voice it. You did, no need to repeat yourself.

I get your point. But you are oblivious to mine.

Read my last post carefully. I stated that if a gear-based (NO GRIND) sPvP could be PILOTED, an alternative way to get similar-to-exotic gear should be implemented as well.

Please refrain from telling me to not discuss and voice my opinion, but you can go around yelling yours

Thanks

Nymru, i think what you want is a “player versus player” Colosseum gladiatorial arena of some sorts in the open world PvE WvW but players from all across their respective NA or EU servers can participate, yes?

the sPvP folks in here are a different breed of people as you may have noticed.

perhaps you may have greater success posting this topic in the PvE forums. i mean the general discussion forums.

I did post it in the general discussion, but a moderator moved it here..