Guild Wars 2

Arheundel.6451:

Archaon.6245:

Pretty fun how ppl actually think thieves are so easy to play…thief is probably one of the hardest classes to play properly in tpvp that’s why you don’t see so many good ones around…apparently ppl base their judjement on hotjoin crap where everyone can pretty much kill everyone else with almost everything…. Spamming hs is one thing, but i don’t consider hs spammers at all, we can say thief has a really low floor skill just haste and spam hs…but ceiling is well above let’s say eles, with ele once you get into skill rotation you’re pretty much done and if you run valkirie you can make lots of mistakes and still survive (You know..mist form, rtl, op heals, vigor, regen and so on…), in high end pvp if you make one, just one, mistake with a thief you’re down…no matter what. Low floor? Yes maybe, aswell as pew pew or trap rangers or hb wars and so on…ceiling? Very very high…a thief needs to be really really good to match up even with mediocre eles, you know you can’t just go in steal.c&d.bs -> stomp, if you think so you never played a dps thief in paids and i suggest you to try running one with all this low skill floor and survive more than 5 secs in a paids team fight, really give it a try before talkin’ bullkitten

What kind of skill do you need to go stealth and land a 6k backstab? Well it’s pointless trying to reason with you…..

But it’s very very amusing how a thief come here and tell others that they’re bad players because they use loads of defensive utility and build set up to counter….lol…a newb friendly profession that can deal over 12k dmg within 1.5s while invisible, not only the same developers have admitted that thief is a very low skill cap profession compared to elementalist but also few months ago, thief players used to call nabs anybody who used to go in PvP without defensive builds including stun breakers , anybody who used to complain about thieves ( and still does) get quickly deemed as noob for not bringing stun breakers, basically thief players consider their profession legitimate because you can still survive by being forced in using extreme defensive set up…amusing.

Plus..want to compare RTL with shortbow thieves? I can’t surely teleport on top f the stairs from the bottom of the arc in Forest of Nifheel and neither I can teleport on top of the tower from the bottom, I can’t cover the same distance of a thief using his shortbow three times consecutively so I can’t catch a thief at all…as he can still go stealth, in wvwvw a short bow thief can outrun 20+ people where a rtl ele can’t

You complain about mistform? You forget: elixir S, endure pain, distortion and more

Sorry when I beat 1vs1 these r40+ mesmers/warriors/thieves ….with a staff where are my OP heal if I use soldier amulet and a single cantrip ?
sorry dude there are no low skill cap builds on ele or you suck or you don’t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0togRMEc_o

You’re delusional if you think an ele need to have healing power to beat a thief and there are very nasty surprises coming your way dude

Another case of someone who just has no idea what he’s talking about. I suggest you try to play a thief in upper tier tpvp and decide for yourself whether or not you can “just go into stealth and land a backstab” and cash in.

Thieves are the ONLY class with no true immunity cc…if you think stealth is a problem then you’re just not understanding game mechanics enough to kill them through stealth. We have the lowest hp pool and pretty much forced to play glass cannons because as far as tpvp goes, none other build is viable. Forget you ever learned about condi thieves because they are trivial in good tpvp matches.

Eles are the current god class (d/d, but who doesn’t use d/d?), and you can try to deny it all you want, but there is a reason why top teams are all using double eles and not double thieves.

Comparing the current state of thieves to eles is just ridiculous.

Ohhhh?..so thieves can only be glass cannon..well then other professions can only be bunkers, case closed!^^

Yup… I’m not a thief (rarely touch the one I have) player or an ele player but when one of the people in my guild that used to only pvp on a thief goes off to play another class just to test it out. Then he comes back to his thief the first things he says is “Wow this is so OP, wow so is this… This is ridiculous”… He has hardly played his thief since because it’s not a challenge to play.

why are we separating them by class? Shouldn’t it be by build?

jportell.2197:

Yup… I’m not a thief (rarely touch the one I have) player or an ele player but when one of the people in my guild that used to only pvp on a thief goes off to play another class just to test it out. Then he comes back to his thief the first things he says is “Wow this is so OP, wow so is this… This is ridiculous”… He has hardly played his thief since because it’s not a challenge to play.

“he said, she said”—statements like this need to be qualified. there is no data here; we should know where he is PvPing, who he is fighting, how much time he spent with each class, etc. it sounds like hotjoin testing & i would take his opinion based on that.

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@arheundel, telling tourney thieves that the things they experience don’t actually happen is fairly ignorant on your part. the benefit of speaking with people who have varying life experiences from yourself is so you have an opportunity to expand your understanding.

peace gl hf

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on topic—no class specifics, just a bit of my own view of what goes into floor / ceiling.

the skill floor is how long it takes to grow comfortable with how a spec functions—how the abilities work together, which combinations to use in which order—picture it as comprehending your spec in a vacuum.

the skill ceiling is the full depth of gameplay mechanics with all professions, specs, maps, matchups, etc taken into account, & knowing not only how your spec fits into that puzzle, but applying that knowledge through perfect execution.

few, if any, players have reached the skill ceiling for their respective profession. this is simply due to the community being too small to be able to push players to their absolute limit. top players quit before reaching the ceiling due to lack of competition, which puts the next rising star in the same position.

in general i would say AoE & passive defenses are low skill floor mechanics. so a decent example of low skill floor spec would be a trap ranger with 3 aoe utilities & passive condi / cc breakers.

AoE serves an Area Denial role in this game as well, which can raise or lower the ceiling depending on the circumstance. eg. Guardian duels for midpoint, the Guardian who can deny area the most effectively ( executes a higher skill ceiling ) will win the node. On the flipside, a Necro spamming marks / Ranger spamming traps on a side node is a low skill floor option of node defense/offense.

jportell.2197:

Yup… I’m not a thief (rarely touch the one I have) player or an ele player but when one of the people in my guild that used to only pvp on a thief goes off to play another class just to test it out. Then he comes back to his thief the first things he says is “Wow this is so OP, wow so is this… This is ridiculous”… He has hardly played his thief since because it’s not a challenge to play.

Lol a mesmer complaining about thief is funny. Mesmers are the 2nd strongest class IMO and yes, I have played them. I main thief but play others as well, to see what I need to counter and stuff.

Secondly, I tried a ranger yesterday for a few games and couldn’t really do well, not as well as on my thief at least. Does this mean ranger is bad? No it doesn’t. What it says is that I should practice more. Your friend only played thief, he tries a new class for 3 games, fails and says thief is OP? Sorry, you’re friend is just dumb.

I love how quickly this thread devolved into my class is harder to play then your class.

clipnotdone.9634:

I love how quickly this thread devolved into my class is harder to play then your class.

It is a shame. Some people get all defensive when someone else says their class is easy to play.

I just wanted to point out the difference between the ceiling and the floor. And that people think because a build is easy that the class has a low ceiling cap.