Guild Wars 2

… we gonna see anything to tone it down any time soon? Or do we have to wati till Grouch gets bored of his engi?

Grouch get bored of his engi? Well if that’s what we’re waiting on, I guess we’re in it for the long haul lol.

it’s not only engis…necros too are having a field day. When you face a necro be prepared to attempt at killing him/her more than once, yes Death Shroud spammers, you xD
Added to that conditions galore which were supposed to be “toned downed” with the December patch but I’m not sure what was done is enough. A bit more, not too much but a bit more is needed.
Oh and mesmers, they’ve become the new nuisance, unkillable for most (the skilled ones), condition spammers ie, confusion spammers. Same facing a mesmer means be prepared for a long fight.
We thieves got our spams nerfed to extremes and more is coming for us looks like, why are other classes left off the hook Anet?
Maybe what we need is some casting time added to some of the necro and mesmer skills too, there seems to be too much free spamming here. I don’t know if it’s doable but it’s just an idea.
Also Spvp is becoming an AOE fight more than what pvp should be like. AOE, AOE, AOE, stand there and AOE the heck out of everybody. Sometimes you can’t even see the ground, so much AOE covers it. xD

i actually don’t mind DS itself, necros don’t have stability nor moblity so they do need some kind of source of survival…. however amount of condis flying around atm and how much dmg it does…. is absurd

I don’t mind being able to survive a bit but to the point of being tanky with all the plusses they have is a bit too much =D
Also, that tanky pet Summon Flesh Golem knocking down people and doing decent damage is a bit too OP for one class. They can take their distance keep applying conditions and watch that pet bring you down. That pet has stability for 16.5 seconds too. I can understand 5 seconds but 16.5 sec is bit over the top.

I still think GW2 has the best combat any day in an mmo, but this sadly it’s becoming a mess. The zergs in pvp right now are testimony to what it’s come down to in order to win a match.

What is this thread about.
Necromancers will most probably die on the next balance update, which is actually gonna be soon if I’m not wrong.
Jesus. Watch a developer stream once in a while, they reveal these things. Or check reddit or the forums or something.

Yeah they’ll do a change that will annihilate necros to oblivion. I don’t think so even if i haven’t read whatever you’re suggesting. Just like the December patch witch promised “toning down” of the necros conditions and didn’t happen like it should have. Don’t read patches and come to conclusions before it’s gone live, there’s always some last minute changes. Test the changes then come back and prove your point.

Windfury.3598:

Yeah they’ll do a change that will annihilate necros to oblivion. I don’t think so even if i haven’t read whatever you’re suggesting. Just like the December patch witch promised “toning down” of the necros conditions and didn’t happen like it should have. Don’t read patches and come to conclusions before it’s gone live, there’s always some last minute changes. Test the changes then come back and prove your point.

The Dhuumfire change is so massive that it doesn’t even need testing to comprehend. I’ll inform you since you like finding excuses for your laziness; Dhuumfire will be changed so that only Life Blast (Death shroud autoattack) will be inflicting burning and not crits in general.

If you still think this is not a massive, legendary, greataxe of doom on every necromancer’s head, I’m done.

Morinmeth.9823:

Windfury.3598:

Yeah they’ll do a change that will annihilate necros to oblivion. I don’t think so even if i haven’t read whatever you’re suggesting. Just like the December patch witch promised “toning down” of the necros conditions and didn’t happen like it should have. Don’t read patches and come to conclusions before it’s gone live, there’s always some last minute changes. Test the changes then come back and prove your point.

The Dhuumfire change is so massive that it doesn’t even need testing to comprehend. I’ll inform you since you like finding excuses for your laziness; Dhuumfire will be changed so that only Life Blast (Death shroud autoattack) will be inflicting burning and not crits in general.

If you still think this is not a massive, legendary, greataxe of doom on every necromancer’s head, I’m done.

Again you’re not reading well, or pretending to ignore the rest of my post. Don’t speculate before hand that this will be the end of the necro. If you think so then you are sugggesting this, that Necros relied on Dhuumfire solely which is ignorant of the class at the least.

There was no Dhuumfire at launch and necros were a threat to be recknoned with then too . Dhuumfire came into the scene much later if you must know. So as much as you are focusing on this being the reason why the necro will die an untimely death I think that you are jumping the gun here. I’m not really seeing what your point is here.

I reiterate, don’t go speculating before the patch goes live and you test as or against necros. I hope you get it this time. That was my only point to you.

As for your pointing fingers at people’s character, I read more relevant things on the net which enriches my life, i’m not glued to GW2 blogs so if that’s your thing well so be it but don’t go calling people lazy just because they don’t read about games on the net all the time. You don’t know me and I don’t pretend to know you so let’s leave it at this please.

Windfury.3598:

Morinmeth.9823:

Windfury.3598:

Yeah they’ll do a change that will annihilate necros to oblivion. I don’t think so even if i haven’t read whatever you’re suggesting. Just like the December patch witch promised “toning down” of the necros conditions and didn’t happen like it should have. Don’t read patches and come to conclusions before it’s gone live, there’s always some last minute changes. Test the changes then come back and prove your point.

The Dhuumfire change is so massive that it doesn’t even need testing to comprehend. I’ll inform you since you like finding excuses for your laziness; Dhuumfire will be changed so that only Life Blast (Death shroud autoattack) will be inflicting burning and not crits in general.

If you still think this is not a massive, legendary, greataxe of doom on every necromancer’s head, I’m done.

Again you’re not reading well, or pretending to ignore the rest of my post. Don’t speculate before hand that this will be the end of the necro. If you think so then you are sugggesting this, that Necros relied on Dhuumfire solely which is ignorant of the class at the least.

There was no Dhuumfire at launch and necros were a threat to be recknoned with then too . Dhuumfire came into the scene much later if you must know. So as much as you are focusing on this being the reason why the necro will die an untimely death I think that you are jumping the gun here. I’m not really seeing what your point is here.

I reiterate, don’t go speculating before the patch goes live and you test as or against necros. I hope you get it this time. That was my only point to you.

As for your pointing fingers at people’s character, I read more relevant things on the net which enriches my life, i’m not glued to GW2 blogs so if that’s your thing well so be it but don’t go calling people lazy just because they don’t read about games on the net all the time. You don’t know me and I don’t pretend to know you so let’s leave it at this please.

Wow.
I can now say I’ve seen everything in these forums. Haters are one thing, which come with every great game, this is on a whole different level.

I understand these posts less and less. I go into solo queue and I see…

Necromancer: Condi or MM based, MM being more popular (and working off Power).
Warrior: Condi or Power based, Power being more popular.
Thief: Power mostly.
Elementalist: Power.
Guardian: Power.
Ranger: Condi mostly.
Engineer: Condi mostly.
Mesmer: Power or Condi based, Condi being more popular.

Next time I’m on I’m going to start taking a census. Out of the eight classes, I see five of them have power builds most represented. If you delete Elementalist from the list Power still serves the majority in solo queue.

In casted tournaments I see 1 support, 1-2 condi classes max, and the other 2-3 power based running Soldier or Berserker.

there is no condi meta

we have “cheeese meta” or “who facerolls best meta”

everyone and there dog plays spiritranger, mm necro, warrior, s/d thief, lol guardian(they call it dps^^) …….. and so on

we dont have conditions dominate everything or whatever you guys talking bout – we have buttonsmashing is king

Proven.2854:

I understand these posts less and less. I go into solo queue and I see…

Necromancer: Condi or MM based, MM being more popular (and working off Power).
Warrior: Condi or Power based, Power being more popular.
Thief: Power mostly.
Elementalist: Power.
Guardian: Power.
Ranger: Condi mostly.
Engineer: Condi mostly.
Mesmer: Power or Condi based, Condi being more popular.

Next time I’m on I’m going to start taking a census. Out of the eight classes, I see five of them have power builds most represented. If you delete Elementalist from the list Power still serves the majority in solo queue.

In casted tournaments I see 1 support, 1-2 condi classes max, and the other 2-3 power based running Soldier or Berserker.

well windfury has right. its more a "spam"meta then condi or cc. if u list the builds for every class, then u see only spammy ones are viable.
- wars spams cc or condition
- necro spams condition or minions
- ranger spams condition and ai
- engi spams condition or knockbacks.
- mesmer spams phantsam or stealth or evades
- thief spams pistolwhip, evade or blinds

if u break it down u see only builds that dont need much skill, cause they depending on spam are only viable. if then some better player plays them it gets fast nearly op.

just make a experiment. take a build that has a needed skillcap to achive something like powerranger or warrior with evis.. if u depend on a couple keyskills u need a triple or more skill to beat the spammy ones.

on top are the devs with “shaving” on 6+ month frequenty and loss of reality.. well u know there is something wrong if a devs says “the active need to be stronger if the passiv of healing signet is to good to even consider activating it”.

There is no condi meta. What you encounter in low end solo queue does not = meta.

Condi meta is over…… we’re on bunker meta :/

Proven.2854:

I understand these posts less and less. I go into solo queue and I see…

Necromancer: Condi or MM based, MM being more popular (and working off Power).
Warrior: Condi or Power based, Power being more popular.
Thief: Power mostly.
Elementalist: Power.
Guardian: Power.
Ranger: Condi mostly.
Engineer: Condi mostly.
Mesmer: Power or Condi based, Condi being more popular.

Next time I’m on I’m going to start taking a census. Out of the eight classes, I see five of them have power builds most represented. If you delete Elementalist from the list Power still serves the majority in solo queue.

In casted tournaments I see 1 support, 1-2 condi classes max, and the other 2-3 power based running Soldier or Berserker.

This. I don’t really understand why people say it’s a condition meta, even if it’s strong on one or two classes, I see the majority of a team in a power based build usually.

infantrydiv.1620:

There is no condi meta. What you encounter in low end solo queue does not = meta.

you honestly believe i talk about soloq?

no – you talk bout wvw when i see your posting history and when i look in forum: wvw discussion than it looks like this guys have some problems in wvw with conditions. Mainly thiefs post bout pu mesmers or something like this.

so just for you – you are in the wrong forum^^

Give every class analog of Cleansing Ire in the power trait line. It will help to balance meta and make more power builds valuable.

The issue is not condi. The issue is AOE in general. AOE needs a big nerf. I’m fine with the damage levels of single target condi.

Romek.4201:

no – you talk bout wvw when i see your posting history and when i look in forum: wvw discussion than it looks like this guys have some problems in wvw with conditions. Mainly thiefs post bout pu mesmers or something like this.

so just for you – you are in the wrong forum^^

my posting history is soooo irrelevant….

i do pvp, wvw and pve…bite me :P

back to topic: ya i can agree with style, aoe needs to be toned down but so AI since aoe is about only way to deal with zoo atm