Guild Wars 2

To those saying that ranger is fine and that ppl just cant play it right…. could you pls give me some builds that you consider viable in tPvP ? excluding condition/close holder builds.
I passed some days trying to find out some decent zerk/roaming build for ranger, but even if they looked interesting on the paper, they felt quite underwhelming comapred to any other meta build.
I can say i’m noob as ranger, since is the class i like the least, but i’m always interested in buildcrafting.

cuge.5398:

To those saying that ranger is fine and that ppl just cant play it right…. could you pls give me some builds that you consider viable in tPvP ? excluding condition/close holder builds.
I passed some days trying to find out some decent zerk/roaming build for ranger, but even if they looked interesting on the paper, they felt quite underwhelming comapred to any other meta build.
I can say i’m noob as ranger, since is the class i like the least, but i’m always interested in buildcrafting.

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can swap sharpening stone for malicious training and spider.

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Or moving it to the Ranger forum/Profession Balance area, where it belongs.

PvP and WvW are completely different. In WvW, roaming especially, you usually build selfish and want a sort of an all round build… unless you are thief where u can just go full glass regardless.

In PvP its more about teamplay and covering a specific role. I think that in PvP ranger can cover a couple of them, but the thing is, there are other classes who do it more effectively and with far less effort. There was a power creep of sorts all the while the ranger class kept getting nerfs (pet damage, spirits, etc…).

We will see in the final rounds of the upcoming tournament how our favorite class performs.

Eurantien.4632:

cuge.5398:

To those saying that ranger is fine and that ppl just cant play it right…. could you pls give me some builds that you consider viable in tPvP ? excluding condition/close holder builds.
I passed some days trying to find out some decent zerk/roaming build for ranger, but even if they looked interesting on the paper, they felt quite underwhelming comapred to any other meta build.
I can say i’m noob as ranger, since is the class i like the least, but i’m always interested in buildcrafting.

>.>

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQJATRnEqQtg2vCusAXLGYPoWHAFwZ3qHYnBjQIcwqGP-TpBEwAGuAAMOEA52fAwRAIbZACPAAA

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I was just trying something similar this evening. I did many duels with a friend using thief and i worked quite well, but it might just be a skill level difference.
I should try it more in TeamQ.

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I really think that power ranger is only viable in the hands of players that have devoted almost the entirety of their game time to finding the perfect ledges in the hardest to get to spots and forcing it to work. And even then a power ranger is an inherently selfish build. It has to run triple stun breakers and won’t be using the res spirit. It brings only one thing to a team fight pew pew on a big point every 20+ seconds, and decent single target ranged damage that can be easily countered with reflects body blocking, absorption etc.

What has been happening lately is I have seen a max of TWO power rangers that absolutely wreck in team fights mainly because they are superior than others at positioning themselves. Then somewhat decent team see it and think “WOW WE NEED A PEW PEW RANGER!” Then they force someone like their d/d ele (amazing team support, point control, and self sustainability), or rifle celestial engi (amazing point control decent team support good self sustainability, great condition application) to go zerker pew pew ranger which brings, great ranged single target DPS, almost no AOE point control, no group support, no conditions, and very marginal sustain.

Is a zerk pew pew ranger great? Yes in the hands of someone that knows the maps, the class, and the escapes like the back of their hand. In anyone elses hands it is mediocre or a liability.

Power Rangers are fun. I luv it.

kirito.4138:

Power Rangers are fun. I luv it.

You are one of the two that I am mentioning that make it work.

I find power ranger pretty relaxing to play if anything, it brings damage, and annoyance, if you can get people to take their mind off of the point, and onto you….nothing wrong with that.

the problem is that power ranger is inferior to almost if not all damage/roamer specs. if you ask me the hierarchy would be (talking dps roam specs):

ranger lb/gs < warrior gs/x < s/d fresh air < medi guard < sd engi < well necro < mesmer < thief

if only it could he brought on par with stuff from the middle of that hierarchy i would be very happy. lb/gs is certainly fun, pew pew from afar, but as soon as you run into a “hambow-wall” or an annoying thief, it can get quite frustrating.

Jekkt.6045:

the problem is that power ranger is inferior to almost if not all damage/roamer specs. if you ask me the hierarchy would be (talking dps roam specs):

ranger lb/gs < warrior gs/x < s/d fresh air < medi guard < sd engi < well necro < mesmer < thief

if only it could he brought on par with stuff from the middle of that hierarchy i would be very happy. lb/gs is certainly fun, pew pew from afar, but as soon as you run into a “hambow-wall” or an annoying thief, it can get quite frustrating.

you are better off running Sword + Axe when running glass. 2x evades + burst + reflect is just a godsent gift against hambow and p/d thieves.

maybe but in a teamfight you are meat thats the problem. if you snipe single targets like necros from far away thats more useful than dying to aoe or focus. if they send a thief or a mesmer after you thats one player less on the point. with the ability to kite and map knowledge/awareness this is better than burst and 2x evade imo.

Jekkt.6045:

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can swap sharpening stone for malicious training and spider.

I really like this build.. can you swap out the gs for something else and get good results?

never tried. what would you swap in for it? sword?
i usually use the gs for escapes/killshots. maybe sword/axe.

Jekkt.6045:

maybe but in a teamfight you are meat thats the problem. if you snipe single targets like necros from far away thats more useful than dying to aoe or focus. if they send a thief or a mesmer after you thats one player less on the point. with the ability to kite and map knowledge/awareness this is better than burst and 2x evade imo.

well what you just listed there was player skill, and that comes in addition to using sword + axe.
The pull on the axe also decimates anyone who think that can sit on a point in relative safety (Decap engi)

doesnt longbow with 1500-1800 range already decimate point campers? they have to move from the point to attack you. otherwise they will just eat all the damage, and that can be 2-3k per auto attack.

about the axe, this has nothing to do with player skill. you are more vulnerable on point as a glass ranger you cannot deny this.

Jekkt.6045:

doesnt longbow with 1500-1800 range already decimate point campers? they have to move from the point to attack you. otherwise they will just eat all the damage, and that can be 2-3k per auto attack.

about the axe, this has nothing to do with player skill. you are more vulnerable on point as a glass ranger you cannot deny this.

you are vulnerable on point as anything. It’s just a matter of how many cooldowns you gotta blow before you are out of options.
Warriors got zerk stance and defy pain, maybe shield stance if they use a shield – then they are done for.
Thieves, mesmers – stealth but while a strong counter they will be decimated by the first burst that hits them (thats why you use axe, you get 2 chances to kill em in one attack)
Engis got a few cooldowns, but thats it.
Necro got DS, maybe lich form can give them a few extra seconds at best – then they are done for.
Guardians will live until they blow their burst heals, so once VoR, the heal and/or meditions is burnt up, they are a goner.
Other rangers can be a pain if they use Troll Unguent. But in short, they too die once cooldowns are spent.

So yeah, doesnt matter, if playing glass it boils down to two things;
First hit and skill

Rangers are no worse at it then others, they just need to use other forms of defense then a simple “i press this, and you cannot hurt me” function. Evades is one of these functions.

Glass Ranger vs other builds goes exceptionally well IF and ONLY IF you can move. If you get immobilized you are done for. Stuns, you can recover from as most stun skills are telegraphed fairly well, but immobilizes will be your downfall. PvP zerker gives you some extra vitality, and while you get hit hard, often, you will have a decently sized health pool to soak up hits, only things that should one or two-shot you is killshot warriors (telegraphed as hell) and full glass DD thief. Even then, you can counter them and still win. It is an uphill battle for sure though.

the actual defense of a glass ranger using longbow is kiting and crowd control. sadly this doesnt work with a) classes that have stability b) classes with so many gap closers c) condition immunity against immobilize d) passive traits that lower immob/chill durations.

sword is imo a very bad weapon when it comes to evading. sure it’s got 2 evades but the auto attack is very limiting. again this is no matter of l2p. compared to all the other sword chains the ranger’s IS limiting and is STILL not fixed.

of all classes ranger has the worst defensive mechanics when played as a berserker. try to deny it but it is the truth. otherwise tell me 1 class with a worse defensive mechanic.

of course everything can work if you try hard enough but in terms of viability rangers are far behind which is a shame. when you look at other classes and how easy some of them are to play it feels just wrong.

you were talking about berserker stance / endure pain. ranger has guard me and the traited signet. problem is when you use guard me your pet usually insta dies, the skill will not even last 6 seconds and it does not protect you from conditions.

the signet is a bit better / even worse, up to you. it protects your for 6 seconds which is nice but you have to waste a gm trait to make it work and tbh read the wind is “way better” than sotbm. again this does not protect you from conditions.

so when you compare a warrior with the ability to get 3k armor while still hitting for decent amounts with 20k hp endure pain and berserker stance to a ranger with, im using my stats here, 18k hp and 2000 armor you can clearly see the huge gap and if you ask me this is a flaw in the class design.

Jekkt.6045:

never tried. what would you swap in for it? sword?
i usually use the gs for escapes/killshots. maybe sword/axe.

Yeah, I was thinking Sword/Axe but I like GS more. GS has much more utility and damage, sword axe has nice evades but they’re a bit flaky.

rnagers suck just re roll