Guild Wars 2

i still like to play my ranger, but seriously,
it’s the worst profession right now in this game, again.
spirit ranger is just really weak now and the rest of builds
are not even worth to point out.

there is two options for a ranger right now.
teamfighter as spirit ranger or backpoint as a 1v1 based ranger

but why a team should take a low single target damage profession for teamfights like ranger now.
the stone and sun spirit is it not worth any more
and to get a rez with the elite spirit is actually also more luck then timing.
its totaly easy to kill it fast or just interrupt it.
the healing range of this skill is also really low.

then there is the option to take a backpoint ranger,
but it’s also not really worth to take it, because the mobility is not huge enough and even if you can get back fast enough,
you can’t win all 1vs1 against every professions still, even if you do well.
so this kind of ranger is also not worth to take into a team, because it brings nearly nothing for teamfights.
you can put this kind of ranger afk to close or midpoint

i know this forum still think “spirit ranger is so lame and op” and ranger is okay or in a good space.

but i’m sure, ranger is in a really bad position right now.

i played the ranger profession for so long now in the high ranked area of this game to know
when i die to something i did a mistake or it was just a unfair matchup,

but actually it feels nearly against everything i fight like a unfair matchup, i lose with spirit ranger actually to nearly every professions and i dont even can say what was my mistake, because i did nearly everything right in this fights i lose for some reason.

i would prefer to hear something from a dev finaly,
they work or improve the ranger profession finaly or not,
because this profession need actually the most rework.

i played some d/d ele and hambow warrior games in soloq the last days
and i feel instantly much more useful with them as with a spirit ranger.
at least i just win more soloq matches by playing this two professions then with my ranger.
and i can’t tell how much mistakes i still do when i run this specs, but seems like its enough to be more effective then with my ranger where i have much more practice and feel much more safe with.

Well you said it yourself… most people on the forums still consider spirit ranger op and/or lame, which most likely comes from most of the qqing forum population being low ranked na people.

As long as anet is considering this actual feedback I doubt that they will buff/change anything tbh.

On a side note I agree with you for the most part, kind of the only reason to even bring a ranger now is the rez spirit.

people dislike spirit rangers for 2 reasons:
first because of the passive stuff and second because the build can still achieve decent results by spamming 1 on shortbow against bad players.

increase skill and risk/reward while decreasing passiveness and everybody will be happy.

personally i never liked spirit ranger andalways stuck to my regen/trap ranger for close points. recently ive been playing lb/gs powerranger and its quite nice but sadly its less effective than my sd engi or my well necro. id rather have them buff the power ranger instead of looking at spirits.

Ranger itself is fine imo, but the nature spirit has serious problems right now. Seems like the cast time for the rez has been drastically increased, and it’s incredibly buggy, not even going off sometimes now.

Spirit ranger is powerful for a Single Button spec.

Neptune.2570:

Ranger itself is fine imo, but the nature spirit has serious problems right now. Seems like the cast time for the rez has been drastically increased, and it’s incredibly buggy, not even going off sometimes now.

Yes it is buggy, if it is moving when you press the skill it will not cast it but it will go on full cooldown.

a t s e.9614:

Spirit ranger is powerful for a Single Button spec.

for some reason i see your name in nearly all topics
and most time it’s not even useful…

but maybe say it like this, the one spam on shortbow shows really good how bad they designed some ranger weopons, because it’s the only main damage source on the shortbow and that also only if you have a sun spirit up, without sun spirit the shortbow is really weak.

but at least the argument that a ranger only have to one spam is just not true, you can’t do it with spirit ranger in high rank games.
you have to time poison, use the shortbow 4 to get bleeds from your pet aswell, use your dodge on shortbow and use your interrupt at right time, simple basics.
so you can ofc time your attacks, even as spirit ranger with shorbow.
and after that you have to watch enemy animitaions like from warriors (look like that is your main high skill profession) verry well to dont die fast.

the one spam on shortbow ranger is same like on gs mesmer for example.
everybody just complain about it because it’s fast and have this sound everybody hate.

but at least it have not a huge damage and only bleed if you flank.
there is weapons like elexier gun on engi much more effective btw.

at least i dont created this topic to ask for a spirit ranger buff only
which is ofc also needed after this rune/amu changes and much nerfs on spirits but buff on other professions at the same time.

i more ask to make different kinds of ranger viable.
there i speak about builds use skills and traits which are completely useless atm, for example shouts or traps

and weapons like longbow and longsword.

Oidmetala.8426:

a t s e.9614:

Spirit ranger is powerful for a Single Button spec.

i more ask to make different kinds of ranger viable.
there i speak about builds use skills and traits which are completely useless atm, for example shouts or traps

and weapons like longbow and longsword.

well they should start by:

1. merging eagles eye with piercing arrows
2. moving quick draw down to adept
3. decrease rapid fires channel by 1 second
4. make point blank shot and hunters shot more reliable. sometimes theyre not working at all and feel really clumsy.
5. add an in-stealth attack for the longbow: 2 seconds of immobilize for example
6. remove the range-damage restriciton from long range shot.

and voila longbow will be much more viable. but as for now the longbow feels like an inferior version of the engi rifle…

as for sword the first thing they should do is fix the auto attack. being special and all is nice but a normal auto attack would be way better…

Double Power ranger new meta. spam 1 / 2 get insta kills from 1800

Spirit Ranger is still strong, but now it has become a lot less powerful thanks to all the damage buffs other professions had.
Now, unless you and your team rotate accordingly, you are on going to be a liability to your team, as it’s terrible for 1v1s.

Keksmuffin.1450:

As long as anet is considering this actual feedback I doubt that they will buff/change anything tbh.

That’s exactly the problem , there is a lot of ppl speaking about sPvP stuffs and all but most of them are not pure pvp players and so there is A LOT of craps in the forum and the worst is that Anet are reading all reply :P

I remember that in the past there was the “State of the Game” from Guru I think, developpers were able to speak with Top Players and on some points they made the game better.

Maybe it’s time to do this again ?

Black Hawk Down T.T

Well, always been

OP nailed all the main points. To be a bit more specific on them:

1) Shortbow is required for spirit ranger to prevent cleave, but is a terrible weapon for 1v1.

2) Condi cleanse changes have functioned much like power creep and has made condi sidepoint builds no longer viable on ranger. Nerfs to sustain have solidified this.

3) Rampant boon strip/stealing make rampage as one hurtful for power rangers to bring to a fight.

4) The traitlines for builds like traps are appalling, and even traited versions underperform compared to other classes (e.g. engie). Changes to these builds have been comedic, rather than useful. (Poision field lasts 1.5s, too short to combo sword 2 through)

It is sickening that I’ve had to reroll another class just to be viable because of consistent dlnerfs to ranger and power creep for other classes.

Ryan.9387:

OP nailed all the main points. To be a bit more specific on them:

1) Shortbow is required for spirit ranger to prevent cleave, but is a terrible weapon for 1v1.

2) Condi cleanse changes have functioned much like power creep and has made condi sidepoint builds no longer viable on ranger. Nerfs to sustain have solidified this.

3) Rampant boon strip/stealing make rampage as one hurtful for power rangers to bring to a fight.

4) The traitlines for builds like traps are appalling, and even traited versions underperform compared to other classes (e.g. engie). Changes to these builds have been comedic, rather than useful. (Poision field lasts 1.5s, too short to combo sword 2 through)

It is sickening that I’ve had to reroll another class just to be viable because of consistent dlnerfs to ranger and power creep for other classes.

Pretty much. Spirit Rangers were the “Ancestors” of MM Necros, with the difference that they were more supportive but still good at 1v1s because of many reasons (their condi pressure was really good, and the survivability thanks to the Protection+Elite Spirit was amazing).
Now it’s terrible for 1v1s. Among the “meta builds”, I don’t think there is a single build that can reliably get beaten by a Spirit Ranger.

balance team, devs
where are you, still alive?

i know the interest for thie profession is generaly nearly zero in this game.
but some peoples have chose this profession as there main.

actually i can’t even go pve or wvw with ranger, because it’s even more useless there then in pvp.
i even get kicked from pve groups for some mysterious reasons, before i can say “hi”
that is really interesting.

Oidmetala.8426:

balance team, devs
where are you, still alive?

i know the interest for thie profession is generaly nearly zero in this game.
but some peoples have chose this profession as there main.

actually i can’t even go pve or wvw with ranger, because it’s even more useless there then in pvp.
i even get kicked from pve groups for some mysterious reasons, before i can say “hi”
that is really interesting.

Not that it matters since this is the pvp forum but ranger is actually very good in pve, just most not-hardcore-dungeon-runners don’t know (and most rangers don’t know how).

And well a dev response to anything would be nice but i guess they don’t dare to answer anymore or they aren’t allowed to say anything because the super-special-awesome change they will intoduce in 6 months has to stay secret.

FWIW, I play ranger ONLY…I am a small scale player with guild/Soloer/Roamer

47 in SPVP and 630 in WvW so somewhat experienced (I don’t Zerg so most is close combat and small scale)

To say Rangers are not viable to me means you do not know the classes strengths and weaknesses….are we great, no…not by any means….but we have a variety of builds that work and work well…maybe we have to work harder for a win but that just makes it more satisfying

I am collecting a montage of screenies that have other SPVPers complaining about my Ranger in Map chat….and no I don’t run spirits or BM…I will link it to sig when done =D

In the current game META Conditions are near out of control and I can basically make a condition immune Ranger…

My Build features 3 stun breaks.

2-0-6-6-0

KE – Passive Grants Fury and removes 2 condis when opponent drops to 75% health
SoTF (Survival skills remove 2 conditions, 4 skills if you include Keen Edge)
EB (3 condi removed/10 sec)
EP (Remove blind/poison on Dodge)
Healing Spring 1 condi removed per sec – 10 seconds
Bear (and Wolf for Fear) with SiO (removed 2 condis AE 2 x per min)
SoR (full clear active/ remove 1 per 10 sec Passive
Melandru runes
Sigil of Generosity and Purity

I can stand in vs multiple condition classes and hold a point….they simply cant touch me…

For burst classes 3 stun breaks and good use of dodge (and wolf Fear) all you need to avoid trouble if you are situation aware

Variances in the build can add very solid regen or DPS as you shave off condition removal until you find a solid balance YOU are comfy with…

Sometimes I just run full blown condition removal when enemy teams are all playing condition builds just to generate a WTF =)

Anyways, all this to say we have several interesting builds to play with…experiment outside the box and find something that suits your playstyle…but there are viable options there for those that take the time to experiment and test.

Kalo

Rangers are ok, but they lack some sustain outside of bunker builds.

I think one way to increase ranger sustain would be for certain pet F2 to also grant a stun breaker. My own suggestion would be Brown Bear (as it has a condi cleanse) and Fern Hound (as it is a heal).
That way, we wouldnt be forced to run a stunbreaker in builds that is sub-optimal if ran with the wrong utility.

That and make Heal as One a 15 second heal with CC removal (immob, cripple, chill)

Sarlack.4096:

FWIW, I play ranger ONLY…I am a small scale player with guild/Soloer/Roamer

47 in SPVP and 630 in WvW so somewhat experienced (I don’t Zerg so most is close combat and small scale)

To say Rangers are not viable to me means you do not know the classes strengths and weaknesses….are we great, no…not by any means….but we have a variety of builds that work and work well…maybe we have to work harder for a win but that just makes it more satisfying

I am collecting a montage of screenies that have other SPVPers complaining about my Ranger in Map chat….and no I don’t run spirits or BM…I will link it to sig when done =D

In the current game META Conditions are near out of control and I can basically make a condition immune Ranger…

Anyways, all this to say we have several interesting builds to play with…experiment outside the box and find something that suits your playstyle…but there are viable options there for those that take the time to experiment and test.

Kalo

So to get that right… You’re not even ranked and you’re questioning somebody who played in a top team for months regarding their pvp experience?

And because you can farm backpedaling, keybordturning people with bad gear and weird builds in wvw with a ranger it is viable in higher tpvp?

seems legit

Keksmuffin.1450:

Sarlack.4096:

FWIW, I play ranger ONLY…I am a small scale player with guild/Soloer/Roamer

47 in SPVP and 630 in WvW so somewhat experienced (I don’t Zerg so most is close combat and small scale)

To say Rangers are not viable to me means you do not know the classes strengths and weaknesses….are we great, no…not by any means….but we have a variety of builds that work and work well…maybe we have to work harder for a win but that just makes it more satisfying

I am collecting a montage of screenies that have other SPVPers complaining about my Ranger in Map chat….and no I don’t run spirits or BM…I will link it to sig when done =D

In the current game META Conditions are near out of control and I can basically make a condition immune Ranger…

Anyways, all this to say we have several interesting builds to play with…experiment outside the box and find something that suits your playstyle…but there are viable options there for those that take the time to experiment and test.

Kalo

So to get that right… You’re not even ranked and you’re questioning somebody who played in a top team for months regarding their pvp experience?

And because you can farm backpedaling, keybordturning people with bad gear and weird builds in wvw with a ranger it is viable in higher tpvp?

seems legit

LOL because Ranked means something!!! Besides that point it seems you have it correct….good job! Carry on!

Double power ranger can 2 shot kill other glass builds at 1800 range.
If you ever get in ranged they maul you for 8k. gg wp.

Power Ranger also dies from one Life Transfer of Power Necromancer. And maybe one Life Blast.

Not even speaking about other professions’ damage

Darnis.4056:

Double power ranger can 2 shot kill other glass builds at 1800 range.
If you ever get in ranged they maul you for 8k. gg wp.

please stop talking crap… max range for longbow is 1500…. nobody will ever run double power ranger and not even one power ranger…

if you get 8k mauled from a 1 shot combo while the ranger is blasting all 3 of his util skills with 60s cooldowns you deserved it…. on the other hand warriors can do that on a 10 sec cooldown with eviscerate.

Jekkt.6045:

Darnis.4056:

Double power ranger can 2 shot kill other glass builds at 1800 range.
If you ever get in ranged they maul you for 8k. gg wp.

please stop talking crap… max range for longbow is 1500…. nobody will ever run double power ranger and not even one power ranger…

if you get 8k mauled from a 1 shot combo while the ranger is blasting all 3 of his util skills with 60s cooldowns you deserved it…. on the other hand warriors can do that on a 10 sec cooldown with eviscerate.

Maximum LB range is 1800 due to how the autoattack system works and the fact that the projectiles arc. The mix of the “leeway” that the autoattack system needs for it to function properly added to the fact that projectiles arc and will carry on slightly further then if it was a defined “beam” like mesmer GS makes the max range 1800 on flat ground IF you press 111111 manually. Automatic fire AA range is however, 1500.

8K maul is easy to do WITHOUT the signets. Full signet + 15~ish might stacks, you can reach 35k+ in PvP. I even have a screenshot of someone doing that somewhere.
With intelligence sigil, a good rotation of skills, that is not unlikely to happen.

Power ranger can easily do 3k AA + sigil procs hitting for another 2.4k total bringing the max AA damage up to 5.4k every 5 seconds.

Sorry mate, but in all honesty, learn to ranger man. This stuff is basic knowledge.

and of course this is very viable and your survivability will be very good….

max damage and viabilty in TPvP is a completely different story.
sorry mate but in all honesty learn to pvp man. this stuff is basic knowledge..

Stop talking bullshiz. ranger is doomed to offtank bunker

Didnt notice the chat conversation before. There goes my games as ranger

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/135953/gw137.jpg

Enjoy!

EDIT: that was done way before the feature patch, and there was no nerfs to ranger DPS in the feature patch.

Dear thread,

Rangers have long been considered an “easy mode” class, largely in part because of the prowess of the pet. We’ve been through the “easy mode” trap meta, otherwise known as the spam traps and win. People have since learned they can dodge traps. This forced us to evolve into the “easy mode” beast master meta, otherwise known as the I evade spam, and my pet kills you. Instead of people realizing that any form of a slow decreases the damage of any ranger’s pet that is just allowed to run rampant (not controlling the pet) to effectively 10ish%, the pets were nerfed. This forced us to evolve into the “easy mode” spirit ranger meta, otherwise known as the spam all my buttons and you die. However, throughout all these “meta builds”, there have been variation of ranger builds that have been successful even though they were not deemed “meta builds” because they were not as easy to use as the typical ranger builds were/are. The reason these rangers were successful regardless of what build they were playing is because of pet control. I’ve said it before, and I will say it again. The difference between a good ranger and a bad ranger is pet control.

With recent nerfs to ranger and buffs to other classes with the last patch it is apparent that the number of “meta” rangers has decreased. I speculate, that in not too long a time the number of rangers in PvP will dwindle even further. The reason for this is that spirit ranger is no longer as effective as it once was, the healing has been reduced and people have learned that it is quite easy to interrupt or even kill.

This leads to an issue, rangers becoming relatively “the worst profession in the game” as deemed by the OP. I both agree and disagree with this statement. The reason I agree is that ranger no longer has an “easy mode” spec that any player can pick up, learn in a few hours, and possibly have a chance at beating any ranger that has been playing the same build for a lot longer (seriously, it was kittened and I hated that meta). So in that sense, for new rangers (or rangers used to easy mode), I would agree that the ranger will seem highly underwhelming. However, I also disagree. The ranger will always have strong 1 v 1 prowess and be potent in small engagements. Where the ranger seems to lack is in team fights because of its lack of AoE. In terms of AoE pressure, the ranger lacks behind many other classes. But in terms of single target damage only the thief can compete. But while the thief can burst, the thief is squishy, while the ranger can effectively train a target in a team fight, over extend if need be, and often evade his/her way back out of the most impossible situations.

The difference in how viable the ranger is, in any of these types of fights, 1 v 1, 2 v 2, x v x, all comes down to pet control. The ranger will probably not win a 1 v 1 against a warrior unless they are using their pets efficiently. The ranger will probably not be helpful in a team fight if he/her does not lock down their target before attempting to lay down some damage (either condi or power).

So that being said, I do think there is a new meta for ranger, where rangers have a place, we are the jack of all trades class. I think the issue is that rangers now require skill that people didn’t really need before. I believe a skilled ranger has a place in a team, as it should be able to fill any and all rolls as need be. Granted, I think skilled rangers are few and far between.

Sincerely,
Eurantien

P.S. Power ranger MIGHT have a place in this meta. Though it would not be a full signet build, yolo mauls are not conducive to your survivability in a team queue. I do feel Lb power ranger is viable, but once you swap weapons, there isn’t too much you can do. GS needs a buff before power ranger becomes truly viable imo.

Prysin.8542:

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/135953/gw137.jpg

Enjoy!

EDIT: that was done way before the feature patch, and there was no nerfs to ranger DPS in the feature patch.

dude the player is in downed state and naked….. this is as if i would post a picture of a backstab against an ambient creature…
ah and btw there was a same thing for churning earth and it hit more than 50k..

Since when did armor ever matter in PvP?
It is all standardized from the get go and has been so for the past 4 months iv’e been doing PvP. Obviously, i cannot vouch for how it was before then.

How do you think that person ended up in downed state?

Now, i could go out of my way to make a video proving it can be done outside of downed state, in a game, with non-naked enemies, however with your attitude towards the whole profession tipping towards “rangers suck, period”. I do not believe it to be necessary as no matter what proof you are shown, you will dismiss it blatantly.

armor does matter in PvP, at least body legs and one more piece which i cant think of right now.

i never said ranger sucks as i play mine with a lb/gs sotf power build in hotjoin but not in tPvP as it is not as viable as other DD specs. it provides bad burst and mediocre survivability with low team support.

i thought thats the purpose of that thread, to make other ranger specs more viable and i have already shared my thoughts about tweaking some skills and moving/merging traits.

and feel free to make a video with a 30k hit on a fully geared enemy. the problem is not that i just “dismiss it blatantly” but that it is very hard to set something like that up in an actual fight against skilled players and thus less viable than other builds.

maul is the easiest thing to land ever. it is a long wind up burst, so even if they try do dodge, the animation is so slow that with some decent reflexes you can chase after them and hit em before the animation is over…. It is THAT over-telegraphed (which is why i love it).

a 30k maul is not hard to land, unless you are fighting several powerblock mesmers.

You just aren’t going to land a 30k maul in PvP. BEST CASE SCENARIO you might land a 15kish. Considering with sigil of force, max might, max traits for damage, 6/6/0/2/0 (maybe its higher as 6/4/0/4/0, but I doubt it) you can only hit the light golem (granted they might have 200 less armor than this golem) for only about 14k (I hit the golem for 14.5k). So giving you benefit of the doubt I would even say you might land a 16k, on a fully squishy target, blowing most of your cds. MAYBE with 20 stacks of vulnerability and 25 bloodlust you could hit for like 20 MAYBE. But 30k will not happen in any true PvP scenario.

Not to mention 25 stacks of might just isn’t gonna happen in any real game.

bumping this. ranger needs attention and a revive like ele got.

I agree – Ranger is rather dull and i think a lot of it comes down to the design of the ranger weapons and pets. In my opinion every single pet ability should be controllable – not limited to 1. This has been brought up before and the dev response was that it would be too hard for new players to manage. Say what? If new players can manage Elementalist attunements and/or Engineer kits/toolbelt then i think they will be able to manage 4 or more pet abilities. Oh, and include all traps in a kit functioning like an Engineer kit or buff them in other ways. They suck!

i agree that pets need to be fully controllable. micromanaging knockdowns from wolves would be very good and require a bit of skill. and for the sake of noobs they could add an “automode” in which the pet does everything on its own. at least thats the way how some other Reborn mmos handle their pets.

Jekkt.6045:

i agree that pets need to be fully controllable. micromanaging knockdowns from wolves would be very good and require a bit of skill. and for the sake of noobs they could add an “automode” in which the pet does everything on its own. at least thats the way how some other Reborn mmos handle their pets.

And it is not like the game is hard to manage when it comes down to the amount of available skills/abilities compared to other mmo’s where new players have managed fine. The developers have to acknowledge that having a learning curve to a profession/class is good which also feels rewarding to explore.

Rym.1469:

Power Ranger also dies from one Life Transfer of Power Necromancer. And maybe one Life Blast.

Not even speaking about other professions’ damage

If you don’t know how to interrupt life transfer…

Top teams seemed to favor a Ranger over Engineer or Mesmer. Not a great position, but to say its the worst… Some people who play at a high level seem to clearly disagree with you.

Terrahero.9358:

Top teams seemed to favor a Ranger over Engineer or Mesmer. Not a great position, but to say its the worst… Some people who play at a high level seem to clearly disagree with you.

Do you know he’s THE RANGER that was chosen instead of engi or mesmer in a top team ?

and LAWL, who wouldn’t want a mes ? Mes is prolly one of the most effective profession in high end pvp.

Mrbig.8019:

Mes is prolly one of the most effective profession in high end pvp.

My trap ranger disagrees strongly. Haven’t lost to a mesmer yet. They simply implode in seconds against trappers or BM bunkers with drakes (dat chain lightning).

Terrahero.9358:

Top teams seemed to favor a Ranger over Engineer or Mesmer. Not a great position, but to say its the worst… Some people who play at a high level seem to clearly disagree with you.

In EU at least , top team are not playing soo much anymore but they would favor 1 elem to 1 ranger now.

Mobility : Elem > Ranger
AOE Dps : Elem > Ranger
Sustain : Elem > Ranger
Group assist : Elem > Ranger
1v1 match up’s : Elem > Ranger

As it said above, the only good reason to take a ranger now is the rezz spirit, but you can clearly deal without it so …

Edit : Wanted to say aswell that ranger is not like the elementalist before 15ap, completly useless. A team can still play with ranger without being almost sure to loose the match but if this same team want to be 100% competitive she will have to replace the ranger.

Welcome to GW2, where the balance team doesn’t know what its balancing for. Conquest…5 spots per team and 8 professions. You’re always going to have professions better at specified roles on a team. The key to balance was making the difference between professions marginal enough to allow people to play what profession they would like, but the balance team doesn’t know how to balance. The gap is too huge for anyone to take anything but the best per role.

Suprah.5076:

Terrahero.9358:

Top teams seemed to favor a Ranger over Engineer or Mesmer. Not a great position, but to say its the worst… Some people who play at a high level seem to clearly disagree with you.

In EU at least , top team are not playing soo much anymore but they would favor 1 elem to 1 ranger now.

Mobility : Elem > Ranger
AOE Dps : Elem > Ranger
Sustain : Elem > Ranger
Group assist : Elem > Ranger
1v1 match up’s : Elem > Ranger

As it said above, the only good reason to take a ranger now is the rezz spirit, but you can clearly deal without it so …

Edit : Wanted to say aswell that ranger is not like the elementalist before 15ap, completly useless. A team can still play with ranger without being almost sure to loose the match but if this same team want to be 100% competitive she will have to replace the ranger.

since WHEN did a ele EVER beat rangers in a 1v1 ??? Or sustain for that matter.
Yes they can burst heal ridiculously well now, but even that doesn’t save them.

Group support, AOE, sheer DPS – yes ele is way better then ranger, way way better. But 1v1 or bunkering, ranger wins out with ease. Just gotta know how to play the ranger (you need skills to play ele properly too)

I have to agree with Prysin here. Ranger will win more 1 v 1s than the ele, ranger will hold longer 1 v x longer. Sure, ele has better AoE but good teams shouldn’t be clusterkittening on the node. I don’t think any class can compare to ranger’s single target DPS and survivability making it, imo, a highly effective asset.

I think generally, an ele would be better than a ranger. But I think if I had to choose between a great ele and a great ranger and I was fighting against a GOOD team then I would choose the ranger because it can handle itself when focused a lot better than an ele can.

But in the end, everyone is entitled to their opinions and I still stand by mine. That ranger is good and has a place at top tier, but most rangers should or have rerolled because their pet control isn’t good enough because even though YOU CAN control every pet skill, I don’t see any rangers doing it.

Eurantien.4632:

YOU CAN control every pet skill, I don’t see any rangers doing it.

I’m curious…please do explain.

Pyriall.1683:

Eurantien.4632:

YOU CAN control every pet skill, I don’t see any rangers doing it.

I’m curious…please do explain.

You see the animation, you use F3, you cancel the animation putting it on the typical 4ish second cd, when you want the attack to happen you let the animation run its course and combo with your pet.

Granted it would be really nice if they just gave us all the skills to use but I think that might make ranger a tad OP.

huh, so much posts, even from good players i know in a ranger topic and nearly no flame against this profession.
i’m positive surprised.
i never thought there is still peoples interested in this profession and give serious answers in a ranger topic.

now, maybe a dev can spend only 5 minutes to give a statement to a ranger topic in the first time of history?
there was a cdi topic and some peoples wait for results of it, the pet changes really dont count, that’s a bug fix which should have done after release allready.
at least some informations would be verry nice… china release can’t be a serious reason to completely ignore the community actually.

about pet controll.
well at least you can only controll 1 active and the second just happens after you swap the pet.
but that’s all not 100% controll, even the actives are not always 100% controll if you want to react fast to something.
for example some pet knocks, it would be so nice to controll them and time them by yourself. i would also prefer to use at least 2 of the important pet skills by myself.

@Nary Why Irk
i don’t really like it if you take a picture with a part of our chat after you whisper me ingame into the forum. you also would not like to see it if from someone Oo

at the end i want to thanks prysin for this nice show of how good he is with ranger.
so i ask you prysin, do you want to play the ranger for us if we form a new team,
because it looks like you are a god ranger and can beat everything with verry interesting ranger builds.
or can you give me a stream, seems like i have still to learn verry much.

Prysin.8542:

since WHEN did a ele EVER beat rangers in a 1v1 ??? Or sustain for that matter.
Yes they can burst heal ridiculously well now, but even that doesn’t save them.

average d/d ele will wreck any average ranger no matter which build the ranger plays. and no, eles dont have any burst healing, eles have sustained healing with sustained damage and damage over time. nobody is talking about s/d gank-cannons.

are you even informed about the meta or are you just yolo posting stuff? no offense

Mrbig.8019:

Terrahero.9358:

Top teams seemed to favor a Ranger over Engineer or Mesmer. Not a great position, but to say its the worst… Some people who play at a high level seem to clearly disagree with you.

Do you know he’s THE RANGER that was chosen instead of engi or mesmer in a top team ?

and LAWL, who wouldn’t want a mes ? Mes is prolly one of the most effective profession in high end pvp.

Then he should be aware that top teams are more likely to pick Ranger then Engi or Mesmer.
So stating Ranger is, and i quote, “the worst profession”, is apparently not entirely true. As top teams do favor them over atleast two other professions.