Guild Wars 2

(Disclaimer, horrible grammar in the title due to character limit)

Decided to give tPvP (free) another try having been owned by premades in my previous attempts. Tournament populates after a very long wait, first round 3v5, I learn you’re forced to return to a tournament as long as it is in progress. People will have their reasons for leaving a tournament, it is a given, my issue resides with the question of why you would even begin the first round of a tournament when a team has not fielded all 5 of their players. Remarks from a not-so-intelligent teammate about my leaving and someone on the opposing team asking me to adhere to the needs of his broken profanity filter when I defend myself has given me an anecdotally dim view of the kinds of people I’m going to be dealing with if I want to play some tPvP as a casual player. So yeah, the thread title, when I say that question to myself I have that Jackie Chan expression with my hands over my head as I do when I think of other issues I have found with sPvP as a whole, just what…….

TLDR; Grotesque design oversights.

I’ve found an exploit to always get 5 decent players on your team every game. All you have to do is join/make a team with 4 others and press “invite party” at the tourney npc. Once you do that, you’ll have 5 people almost garuntee! It’s a pretty sweet exploit

Walorx.5129:

I’ve found an exploit to always get 5 decent players on your team every game. All you have to do is join/make a team with 4 others and press “invite party” at the tourney npc. Once you do that, you’ll have 5 people almost garuntee! It’s a pretty sweet exploit

Exploit talk on forums is a bannable offense, be careful .

Walorx.5129:

I’ve found an exploit to always get 5 decent players on your team every game. All you have to do is join/make a team with 4 others and press “invite party” at the tourney npc. Once you do that, you’ll have 5 people almost garuntee! It’s a pretty sweet exploit

So what’s that, 1 below average with 4 variable players in your case?

The ability to take a premade into a tournament does not mean the issue does not exist that tournaments are populating when teams do not really have the players to compete. We could open up so many other topics, such as premade/pug tournaments. As a casual player my issue arises from the fact that hotjoin players have no incentive to actually play to even attempt to win, and I don’t think I need to provide screenshots of losing teams with maybe 2-4 times the individual player scores of the winning team. Regardless of how reasonable I find your solution (fairly unreasonable), it completely ignores the fact that this issue exists and should not be allowed to even happen in the first place.

EDIT: Screenshot.

I enjoy pugging tournaments, even though I expect to play a man down roughly every third queue. 3v5’s are rare but I’ve had those as well. I just put on my tryhard cap, head to the mid point and see how long I can 1v4 (usually at least 5 seconds, sometimes more). I try not to take those matches too seriously, and get my fun winning against bad premades and other pugs.

Unfortunately, the game was designed on the premise that if you aren’t the type of player who organizes/joins premades, you’ll be satisfied with hotjoin.

I don’t blame them for that—everybody loved hotjoin in beta, when people were still doing things like playing entire matches at a time, running balanced builds, and fighting on points. Now, it’s just a glory farm, so casual players pug free tourneys…

tl;dr—tournaments were designed with one thing in mind: a premade party of 5. However, until hotjoin becomes more bearable, solo players are still better off pugging tourneys to get a decent match every other time or so.

i get what you mean nevirsaydie even though i am on a team when others are not on it doesn’t leave me with much to do. I don’t even want to pug frees because even if its not a very good team if your pug goes up vs any one with voice chat they win. they should make hotjoins a 5v5 and give more glory for winning then actually earn’t inside the match. this would promote people to use real strategies and emphasize team work so the transition to free tourney isn’t such a shock to players. im not sure what to do about players that leave though maybe make them wait like half an hour before they can join another match.

Walorx.5129:

I’ve found an exploit to always get 5 decent players on your team every game. All you have to do is join/make a team with 4 others and press “invite party” at the tourney npc. Once you do that, you’ll have 5 people almost garuntee! It’s a pretty sweet exploit

5v5 arena in WoW was the least played, least popular arena format because most players dont want to be forced to spend time spamming chat for other players, or put in work to build a team where it’s difficult to have everyone online at the same time.

Anet obviously intended for people to solo queue into free tournaments and it should not be our responsibility to work around a broken mechanic of games starting with less than 5 people, which has been complained about since release.

They need to add a deserter debuff already like every other game. If you dont have time to play through a full tourney or quit when you’re losing you should face a strong penalty. Adding a deserter debuff that doesn’t allow you to do any tournaments or hot join matches for 30-60 min+, in game time only, will get the bads to stop queuing/quitting.

Sprawl.3891:

Walorx.5129:

I’ve found an exploit to always get 5 decent players on your team every game. All you have to do is join/make a team with 4 others and press “invite party” at the tourney npc. Once you do that, you’ll have 5 people almost garuntee! It’s a pretty sweet exploit

5v5 arena in WoW was the least played, least popular arena format because most players dont want to be forced to spend time spamming chat for other players, or put in work to build a team where it’s difficult to have everyone online at the same time.

Anet obviously intended for people to solo queue into free tournaments and it should not be our responsibility to work around a broken mechanic of games starting with less than 5 people, which has been complained about since release.

They need to add a deserter debuff already like every other game. If you dont have time to play through a full tourney or quit when you’re losing you should face a strong penalty. Adding a deserter debuff that doesn’t allow you to do any tournaments or hot join matches for 30-60 min+, in game time only, will get the bads to stop queuing/quitting.

+1. No way to say it better.

I think worse than playing through 4v5 games is when your 5th is literally afk with no warning. If you miraculously win your match, they get rewarded for doing nothing. There needs to be a way to kick someone who is doing that – and if reported repeatedly for that offense to get punished.

A way to somewhat solve 4v5s is that someone solo-queuing might get the option to join an existing game that is down a player. It won’t really fix the problems, but at least give a bit of a chance when you get a 5th back.

I’m not sure what they’re supposed to do. If someone isn’t in the game they can’t wait until the person may or may not join.

I do solo queue a lot and it does suck when it’s 4v5 or 3v5 at the start, or people just rage quit because we lost the first team fight. I’m just not sure what they can do about it though. I’m thinking the best option is some kind of ‘deserter’ like debuff. If they leave a tpvp match early then they can’t join tpvp, hot joins, or the mists until it’s gone.

Follidus.8027:

I’m not sure what they’re supposed to do. If someone isn’t in the game they can’t wait until the person may or may not join.

In the case that prompted my issue, only 3 people had accepted to take part in the match when the prompt finally came up (whatever it says), so I was thinking something along the lines of not creating the instance for the round if all 5 members have not declared themselves ready, either forfeiting to the team that is full or disqualifying both teams. You could possibly use a poll like “Your team is blah blah. Do you still wish to proceed?” I don’t like League of Legends, but I did play it lately and noticed how it deals with the issue – queue for a match and the prompt will appear, if all 10 players don’t ‘accept’, then the match does not go ahead and the matchmaking begins all over again until it does find a complete set of 10. On a tangent I think the tournament signup itself is too ‘obscure’, another possible solution being to create a pool of players somehow that could randomly be called upon to help complete teams.

Clearly my ideas for a solution can open other bags of worms in tournaments possibly consisting of a single round, maybe even allow exploitation of forfeits, but my priorities tell me that playing with uneven teams is just a waste of time for both parties involved. While losing to the issue has been an annoyance, and winning against the odds could be an embarassment for the other team, I would rather either win or lose a game with even numbers above all else, or I wouldn’t be playing a tournament in the first place.

:sadface:

I like what someone said above. If you are down a player it should pool from the players that queued solo and give a message like:
A team needs your help! They are in round 2/3 would you like to accept it or stay queued?