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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

ghaleon.2861

How long are you going to keep the thief class hard countering every other zerker spec in the game. Thief hard counters shatter mesmer, zerker ranger, zerker s/d ele etc. Do think this is fair?? Not only that, they always get the opening cause of their ability to stealth on demand. When they’re losing they can reset the fight and come back and burst you down when all your cd are on recharge. Their steal abilities are seriously op, consume plasma 5 seconds of god mode. How much longer does the balance team needs to realize this? This is why we have so many bunkers in the game.

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Posted by: GoogleBrandon.5073

GoogleBrandon.5073

Huh?

In my opinion, as the self-proclaimed worst thief EU, I’d say they’ve been brought in line with most other zerker specs, especially Mesmer…

It is now a case of “who sees who first” and resetting the fight means you won the point! Good job!

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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Huh?

In my opinion, as the self-proclaimed worst thief EU, I’d say they’ve been brought in line with most other zerker specs, especially Mesmer…

It is now a case of “who sees who first” and resetting the fight means you won the point! Good job!

You’re wrong, thief still hard counters mesmers hard, they can come in a team fight and down a mesmer in seconds. Consume plasma gives them 5 sec of god mode the mesmer can’t interrupt him and since the thief can stealth more than the Mesmer they can always get the opening. With the sigil of air and fire and mesmer being a light armor class, they can literally one shot the mesmer.

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Posted by: Ergolicious.1507

Ergolicious.1507

Well I find the thief to be in a pretty balanced spot atm but I agree about using STeal on mesmer being ridiculous lol. As if they needed such an overpowered spell against Mesmer anyway….

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Posted by: GoogleBrandon.5073

GoogleBrandon.5073

I am wrong because I can kill thieves nowadays?

This is certainly a strange one… I should just… dunno…

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

ghaleon.2861

I am wrong because I can kill thieves nowadays?

This is certainly a strange one… I should just… dunno…

then don’t’ buddie

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Posted by: Prysin.8542

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zerk thief is hard countered again by ranger. Because zerk thief gotta go DD to be any proper threat (sure SD got damage, but zerk has zero sustain).

DD vs LB and Sic’em – If thief can GET to the ranger un-noticed thief wins, any other scenario, byebye thief.

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Posted by: GOSU.9574

GOSU.9574

Since I don’t play heavy armored classes in pvp I find most of the time the thief is my hard counter. I do not mind there being a hard counter, how stuffed up would an environment be if someone removed the scissors from your RPS.,

Hey dude you are walking into a wall.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

Wow! Is the OP a troll, or did he write this message 6 months ago and forget to click send?

Thief is one of the weaker classes right now.

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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Yes sure nerf thieves more and then this game will officially become Celestial Wars 2.
Its funny how people complain about thieves when the spvp population is 40% engi , 40% ele and 20% who cares.

that’s because you play thief

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

ghaleon.2861

Wow! Is the OP a troll, or did he write this message 6 months ago and forget to click send?

Thief is one of the weaker classes right now.

i think you’re the troll

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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

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Most teams are starting to run a comp along the lines of 2 Elementalists, 1 Engineer, 1 Warrior, and 1 random. The random class is generally a Warrior, Engineer, Necromancer, or Thief. In terms or OPness ATM, I’d say Elementalist and Engineers are both bigger problems than Thieves.

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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Most teams are starting to run a comp along the lines of 2 Elementalists, 1 Engineer, 1 Warrior, and 1 random. The random class is generally a Warrior, Engineer, Necromancer, or Thief. In terms or OPness ATM, I’d say Elementalist and Engineers are both bigger problems than Thieves.

I know that, but that’s not the point. Ele is forced to play d/d, because s/d or s/f has no sustain and a thief will eat the ele alive if he plays anything else than d/d or staff bunker.

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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

OlrunTheBlade.1486

Ele plays DD because it’s the most OP thing in the game…

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Posted by: GoogleBrandon.5073

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S/F still kills thieves…

Or maybe it is because I am playing it… not sure…

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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Ele plays DD because it’s the most OP thing in the game…

I’m not denying it, but it doesn’t change the fact that thief hard counters the S/F zerker build hard and every other glass cannon build.

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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

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And nerfing thief wouldn’t change that.

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Posted by: vincecontix.1264

vincecontix.1264

Maybe thief should play bunker? or celestial or condi spec at high level pvp? oh wait!!! /sarcasm off.

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Posted by: Dhunis.9072

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If a thief is countering your zerker ranger, you must be doing something wrong.

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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And nerfing thief wouldn’t change that.

It would actually, why should thief be the best zerker spec that’s viable in high end tpvp? I would like to see S/D zerker ele and other spec being played too.

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Posted by: vincecontix.1264

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And nerfing thief wouldn’t change that.

It would actually, why should thief be the best zerker spec that’s viable in high end tpvp? I would like to see S/D zerker ele and other spec being played too.

Thing is though thief has to run zerker to be viable. Other profs can run Celestial, Rabid, Knights, and zerker aswell. In addition thief is closer to the bottom in current meta so think long and hard b4 you make silly posts like this one.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

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and then there is medi guard that eats thieves for breakfast

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Posted by: Narkodx.1472

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So that S/D Ele becomes best zerker spec? There will always be a best zerker spec and it will probably always be thief simply because of mobility and disengages which is simply part of the class mechanics – stealth and ports

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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And nerfing thief wouldn’t change that.

It would actually, why should thief be the best zerker spec that’s viable in high end tpvp? I would like to see S/D zerker ele and other spec being played too.

Thing is though thief has to run zerker to be viable. Other profs can run Celestial, Rabid, Knights, and zerker aswell. In addition thief is closer to the bottom in current meta so think long and hard b4 you make silly posts like this one.

It’s that mentality why this game if full of bunkers specs. You want every class to be viable with only one spec.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

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i am actually surprised you complain about thieves now considering how they got nerfed (again), barely viable and are plagued by massive bugs

thieves run zerker because it is all they can run, they can’t just go hybrid bunker with celestial/might stacking like eles/engis/wars or stack passive (sup nightmare runes necro)…. surely there is p/d but it is worthless and still dies fast

people don’t run zerker because of thieves, they run bunkerish builds because of game mode….
thieves hardcounter other zerker builds as much as other zerker builds hardcounter them, it is literary all about who catches whom off guard

if this game had other game modes that didn’t promote sit on point and stare at enemy for the rest of the game, maybe people would play zerker builds

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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i am actually surprised you complain about thieves now considering how they got nerfed (again), barely viable and are plagued by massive bugs

thieves run zerker because it is all they can run, they can’t just go hybrid bunker with celestial/might stacking like eles/engis/wars or stack passive (sup nightmare runes necro)…. surely there is p/d but it is worthless and still dies fast

people don’t run zerker because of thieves, they run bunkerish builds because of game mode….
thieves hardcounter other zerker builds as much as other zerker builds hardcounter them, it is literary all about who catches whom off guard

if this game had other game modes that didn’t promote sit on point and stare at enemy for the rest of the game, maybe people would play zerker builds

The only zerker build that hard counters thief is medi guard, that’s it! And a thief can always get the opening due to stealth.

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Posted by: azerte.4365

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And nerfing thief wouldn’t change that.

It would actually, why should thief be the best zerker spec that’s viable in high end tpvp? I would like to see S/D zerker ele and other spec being played too.

Thing is though thief has to run zerker to be viable. Other profs can run Celestial, Rabid, Knights, and zerker aswell. In addition thief is closer to the bottom in current meta so think long and hard b4 you make silly posts like this one.

It’s that mentality why this game if full of bunkers specs. You want every class to be viable with only one spec.

No we want classes to be viable with lots of specs, the problem is thief is forced to play zerker. I would love it if all classes were able to choose whatever amulet/build they want and be viable with it, sadly that’s not the case atm.

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Posted by: Fisalq.2087

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learn to dodge

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Posted by: Frenk.5917

Frenk.5917

Thieves only hardcounter Mesmers. Thieves are, in fact, countered by Medguards and Rangers atm.

I don’t really think that thieves do not let other classes go Berserker. If I had to blame someone, I’d blame tanky DPS builds like Soldier Hambow and Celestial users.

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Posted by: ArrDee.2573

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Ele plays DD because it’s the most OP thing in the game…

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Posted by: Frenk.5917

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FEAR THE FIRES OF BULBASAUR

This is very wrong, but I can’t stop laughing

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Posted by: Simon.3794

Simon.3794

OP probably has 20 more tpvp time then everyone where combined (excluding me teehee)

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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

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Doubt it, Simon.

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Posted by: Simon.3794

Simon.3794

Doubt it, Simon.

Exclude you. And everyone supporting OP.

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Posted by: Chicago Jack.5647

Chicago Jack.5647

Don’t be lazy on your positioning. And don’t let your teammates tunnelvision and blow all their cooldowns. If your team can’t kill an S/D or D/P thief now, then the onus is on your team/the zerker spec; not the thief.

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Posted by: Trevor Boyer.6524

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Thief just is not OP right now
I feel it’s more balanced than it has ever been

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

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As a shatter Mesmer I like the relationship between mes and thief atm. Yes, the thief is still a natural counter to mes, of which I am ok with. The difference since the patch is now if I pick up on a thieves mistake, I can actually punish him for it.

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Posted by: Phaeton.9582

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token ‘dps guard says hi’ post


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Posted by: Prysin.8542

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As a shatter Mesmer I like the relationship between mes and thief atm. Yes, the thief is still a natural counter to mes, of which I am ok with. The difference since the patch is now if I pick up on a thieves mistake, I can actually punish him for it.

yh, atm zerkers are mostly balanced (cept mediguard which instagibs you and heals up like nothing happened)

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Posted by: vincecontix.1264

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As a shatter Mesmer I like the relationship between mes and thief atm. Yes, the thief is still a natural counter to mes, of which I am ok with. The difference since the patch is now if I pick up on a thieves mistake, I can actually punish him for it.

yh, atm zerkers are mostly balanced (cept mediguard which instagibs you and heals up like nothing happened)

Well if we are just comparing zerker specs yes med guard is so strong. Though in the current meta they are fine from what I have seen so far.

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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Doubt it, Simon.

it’s true

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Posted by: Kolly.9872

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Every bunker spec (not only celestial) hard counter thief, so?

Thief might not be as strong as last year
but they’re a lot stronger
than they will be next year!

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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As a shatter Mesmer I like the relationship between mes and thief atm. Yes, the thief is still a natural counter to mes, of which I am ok with. The difference since the patch is now if I pick up on a thieves mistake, I can actually punish him for it.

The thief hard counters every zerker spec, it’s the truth. People are force into a tanky dps role because of the thief class. And I’m not ok with the thief hard countering the mesmer so hard. Consume plasma needs a huge nerf.

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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Every bunker spec (not only celestial) hard counter thief, so?

Did you even read the post? It’s about the thief hard countering every zerker spec in the game…… Except medi guard

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Posted by: Duran.3196

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When I was still active I hard countered most thiefs witzh zerker D/D Ele, did they change anything in the last 2 months?

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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token ‘dps guard says hi’ post

We know dps guards hard counters thief bro, but the thief hard counters all the zerkers except medi guard. The ele is forced to play tanky dps[celestial} because a thief will 1 shot the ele if he played S/D. The thief hard counters the Zerker ranger and the mesmer. You get my point, some skills like consume plasma shouldn’t exist. And I’m not asking for a huge nerf to the thief class. All saying is give all the zerker specs a fighting chance. That’s why everybody plays tanky dps.

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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When I was still active I hard countered most thiefs witzh zerker D/D Ele, did they change anything in the last 2 months?

A thief will make quick work of a zerker d/d ele, nice joke lol.

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Posted by: Kolly.9872

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Every bunker spec (not only celestial) hard counter thief, so?

Did you even read the post? It’s about the thief hard countering every zerker spec in the game…… Except medi guard

so do you want thief to not counter anything but everything to counter thief?
Since every bunker counter thief, Heavy conditions specs counter thief, now let’s add every zerker specs to that list and delete the thief from the game.
So many games played and still clueless about the thief class.

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Posted by: ghaleon.2861

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Every bunker spec (not only celestial) hard counter thief, so?

Did you even read the post? It’s about the thief hard countering every zerker spec in the game…… Except medi guard

so do you want thief to not counter anything but everything to counter thief?
Since every bunker counter thief, Heavy conditions specs counter thief, now let’s add every zerker specs to that list and delete the thief from the game.
So many games played and still clueless about the thief class.

You’re the clueless one, that’s why the game it’s plague by tanky dps specs. And the thief hard counters all zerkers except medi guard. We will never see a S/D zerker ele in high end tpvp. All I’m saying is that every zerker spec should have fighting chance. But the thief shuts down every zerker easily.

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Posted by: Abazigal.3679

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I did run gs/axe+mace warrior for a long time and get similar results( if not better) as thieves concerning damage, whether it was solo or team queue.

I totally agree with your topic, but it’s a bit more complicated in my opinion. Most zerker builds hardly deal with conditions spamming actually, and thieves are able to avoid these thanks to the lot of dodges, but also with stealths which will stop opponents from following you on all map.

I would more likely say that meta builds deal much easier with non-thief zerker builds than with thieves