Guild Wars 2

Hi Folks,
Hey , I just gotta know why I’ve been getting a lot of threats, unacceptable name calling, and intimidation in the PVP arenas from players who say they are “dueling” I think I can safely assume that the server would not place me there if I wasn’t OK to be there.
Some of these players tell me not to cap or to leave the area or engage in unacceptable name calling as if I’m doing something wrong. I’ve reported several of the name callers to admin but I guess what I really need clarification on is why this is being allowed to happen all the time now. It’s as if these players own the arena and can tell anyone anything they want with no oversight now . Some clarification on this matter from admin would be most helpful now. Any Suggestions?

Dont join empty servers, dont click “go now”

Just find a server with 8-15 players and join it.

If you go to a 2 people server its obvious they want a fair fight or a duel. If they are rude to you, add them to your friend list and follow them to every server and dont let them duel.

You don’t get it.
They want to practice or test something out or demonstrate dominance. Anet hasn’t provided an environment to do this, so they do what they can – then you bollocks it all up.

End thread.

They are rude to you because u interupt them, trolling them isnt the way to go.

Rerroll.9083:

If they are rude to you, add them to your friend list and follow them to every server and dont let them duel.

i can’t imagine wasting my life following some kids around because they were “name calling”.

If you are playing the game as Anet intended, you have nothing to worry or think about in this case. If they are doing something against the terms of use (e.g., verbal abuse, exploiting public arenas), report them.

OK I didn’t know the connection between the button I was clicking and a server, I was just clicking on the button that would get me in the fastest. Thanks for that info. Guza you need to look up the definition of troll. You are using it incorrectly. How can you call someone a troll who doesn’t know any better? Players who use this very offensive term incorrectly should be banned.

Avoid this by manually joining servers.

This game doesnt have a dueling feature so eppoel have to join empty servers to test stuff.

It’s a real problem, I do occasionally end up in ‘dueling’ servers when choosing ‘Join Now’, which is a useful tool most of the time so I refuse to avoid it just because people are choosing to test stuff out on public servers. Yes, ANet should have added other ways to do test stuff out by now, but I’d suggest just ignore kittens and play properly.

I used trolling in response to rerolls sugestion….

Thanks for your reply daydream and others. I wont be clicking on the ‘play now’ button anymore unless I want to duel now that I know. I am however upset about all the abuse that I’ve suffered in finding this out. If you mouse-over the ‘Play Now’ button the java-script reads " Join a PVP game". It doesn’t say anything about dueling, so how was I supposed to know? So thanks anet for all the unnecessary abuse

Also, to avoid interfering with players dueling and drawing abuse, learn to recognize the signs of a server being used for duels. Look at the timer and the score – if the game’s 8 minutes in and both sides have less than 50 points, they’re probably dueling. On a similar note, watch for multiple uncapped, uncontested points, since this is also a good sign that a regular game isn’t taking place.

Granted, it can be frustrating sometimes when you’re trying to play a normal game and you can’t find anything but duel servers, but that’s also what the new solo que is for, since you won’t have to worry about it there. Until a proper place for dueling is implemented, players just have to try to work around each other as best they can.

This is another reason why custom arenas would have been nice, though I understand why they were put on the back burner for the time being.

It is absolutely infuriating to want to join a 5v5 hotjoin server (because maybe you don’t want to play the same tourney map over and over) only to see that people are using it to duel. Why don’t you use a useless 8v8 server for duels, instead of 5v5’s where one might actually find decent competition outside of a tournament?

Or better yet, let’s do away with 8v8 all together so we can finally play real games in hotjoin.

Thanks for your reply Soryuju, but you’re asking me to do anets job for them. When I go to PVP I just want to have some quick fun and not have to try to calculate a lot of variables. As I stated above I wont click on the ‘Play Now’ button unless I want to duel now that I know, hopefully this will take care of the problem…Youre not saying I’m going to run into this on the other servers now are you?

This is a non issue. Abuse is easily ignored…unless they physically threaten to come to your house and beat you up.

Besides it’s hardly surprising that you get abused if you interrupt two people in the middle of a duel. Very brave that. If there are just 2/3 people in a server and you see them fighting…stay away and ask if you can fight one of them next.

Seriously, there are plenty of servers you can go to get your hotjoin fix. I do it all the time myself.

Jasper Jadeite.7820:

Thanks for your reply Soryuju, but you’re asking me to do anets job for them. When I go to PVP I just want to have some quick fun and not have to try to calculate a lot of variables. As I stated above I wont click on the ‘Play Now’ button unless I want to duel now that I know, hopefully this will take care of the problem…Youre not saying I’m going to run into this on the other servers now are you?

It’s still possible to run into it when you’re manually joining games, but it’s unlikely if you’re joining games with 8-9 people. As for “doing Anet’s job for them,” yeah, I agree that we shouldn’t have to be working around people trying to duel, but that’s the unfortunate reality of the situation. You’ve already seen what happens if you try to play normally in a dueling server – you take abuse and no one enjoys themselves. Cooperation is the better option, even if it means you have to try a couple servers before you find a game. Or, again, you can use the new solo que.

The first 4 opinions are ludicrously hilarious in my opinion.

If duelers are polite, I’ll gladly just leave – I don’t need to waste my time and theirs. When people turn into kittens however, I will spend my time ruining yours – you can’t report me for playing the game after all. You don’t have any right to a duel – that’s not how this works. You’re asking me a favor when you ask me not to interrupt your duel – not a big one, but a favor regardless. Mistakes happen; its just as frustrating to me to spend 2-3 minutes getting into a game and to the action to find out people decided to just start dueling as it is to have your duel ruined – If I kittened up a duel, and you aren’t a whiny kitten, I’ll apologize and leave. If you’re a condescending prick, I’ll ruin every single one until I get bored.

Now of course, all this needs to be tempered with common sense – if the game is 10 minutes in and the score is 30-20, I’ll just leave. If I look at my mini map and see 4 dots unmoving outside the action and 2 running around, I’ll just leave. If you guys had a slow game and decided to start dueling in the middle (so the scores make it appear as though its a real game) don’t get pissy if I jump into the action before realizing its a duel. If you’re running some sort of “guild event” and the scores make the game appear real, don’t be an internet tough guy and tell me what an kitten I am for playing the game.

And just to clarify, I haven’t clicked “Join now” since September. I don’t ever pick a server that’s not at least 6/10, or 10/16 (though joining an 8v8 is a rare occurrence for me). I’ve hit 4 6+/10 duel servers in a row – that’s 10 minutes of my day wasted. I still generally hit 2-3 duel servers out of every 10 joins. I understand people want to duel, just dont be a prick about it. You aren’t entitled to it, so don’t act like it.

Very eloquent and articulate evilapprentice. You speak for me too. FYI everyone I wasn’t interrupting duels. I was just trying to cap at the most 2 points so my time would not be wasted.

Jasper Jadeite.7820:

Very eloquent and articulate evilapprentice. You speak for me too. FYI everyone I wasn’t interrupting duels. I was just trying to cap at the most 2 points so my time would not be wasted.

Or just join an actual server and not waste their time. When people like you join dueling servers, I just swap over to the other team and we kill them until they leave.

Larynx.2453:

Jasper Jadeite.7820:

Very eloquent and articulate evilapprentice. You speak for me too. FYI everyone I wasn’t interrupting duels. I was just trying to cap at the most 2 points so my time would not be wasted.

Or just join an actual server and not waste their time. When people like you join dueling servers, I just swap over to the other team and we kill them until they leave.

But -they- wasted -his- time, and your position is that of an entitled prick. Why is it you’re not admonishing them? The game doesn’t have any set dueling servers – every time he joins a game and people have decided to appropriate the server for dueling, they’re the ones wasting his time. Just because they’re the majority doesn’t mean they’re in the right. Like I just said, they are not entitled to dueling servers. If he spent 2 minutes finding and joining a server, why shouldn’t he get some glory out of it before leaving to find greener pastures? He isn’t even interfering with their duel, he’s just playing the game the way it was designed.

guza.6170:

They are rude to you because u interupt them.

Not really, they are rude because they are immature kittens, it is as simple as that.

All they need to do is explain they are dueling, ask they guy to try another server and if they were actually even marginally mature then maybe explain to the new guy, he should join by selecting a server from the list and not to join servers with very few people on as they are probably duelling.

OP you’re rude and inconsiderate.

OP, you found out you were mistaken. Empty servers are used for dueling.

Now, if you could, stop arguing and let go.

leman.7682:

OP, you found out you were mistaken. Empty servers are used for dueling.

Now, if you could, stop arguing and let go.

AGAIN,
Nobody has a right to duel.
While its generally considered polite (and I agree with this sentiment) to not kitten with duels, no one is required not to.
Coming from the position that he was in the wrong technically is incorrect. He was wrong in that he did not understand the general etiquette, but all he did was play the game – He’s not wrong for playing the game.

Jasper Jadeite.7820:

Hi Folks,
Hey , I just gotta know why I’ve been getting a lot of threats, unacceptable name calling, and intimidation in the PVP arenas from players who say they are “dueling” I think I can safely assume that the server would not place me there if I wasn’t OK to be there.
Some of these players tell me not to cap or to leave the area or engage in unacceptable name calling as if I’m doing something wrong. I’ve reported several of the name callers to admin but I guess what I really need clarification on is why this is being allowed to happen all the time now. It’s as if these players own the arena and can tell anyone anything they want with no oversight now . Some clarification on this matter from admin would be most helpful now. Any Suggestions?

If they say please just leave them and just join something else, if they insult report them. Simple, it’s not educated to insult ppl just because they joined a party were ppl are dueling (Dunno how ppl have fun doing that cause dueling has no point in a team game like guild wars and 1vs1 means pretty much nothing but who has the best build vs the other, doesn’t really show who is the more skilled, unless maybe both run the same, and those are usually “mine is bigger, you know what..” cases..but i know, this is another story) but if they ask you (civilly) to leave just leave them alone, start attacking someone or capping around while everyone else is just dueling is not educated too imo. So it’s up to you…and them how to solve those problems.

evilapprentice.6379:

AGAIN,
Nobody has a right to duel.

Stopped reading there. How can you even say that? You seem to be very angry about the whole thing and it started with a very simple problem.

i always press play now because it tries to place you in a match with other ppl of a similar rank, but when you enter a game – check the score, the game timer and the number of players – it’s usually obvious if people are dueling – i.e. 2-4 players usually, no points capped, players standing around etc etc. If you’re not sure, don’t get involved, just watch the 1v1 and ask in general chat once it’s played out.

Personally i like dueling anyway, so often ask to join, some ppl are glad to have another test dummy.

Rudeness is never justified – i’m sorry you were on the receiving end, but come on, we all do it sometimes – they are probably nice to the first 100 guys but when they just want to test stuff and you’re the 101st guy to interrupt them they’re gonna get irate. It’s Anet’s fault.

leman.7682:

evilapprentice.6379:

AGAIN,
Nobody has a right to duel.

Stopped reading there. How can you even say that? You seem to be very angry about the whole thing and it started with a very simple problem.

I should clarify, because my initial post was not clear and that’s my fault. Anet most certainly should introduce dueling. I 100% understand the need for dueling.

Currently, however, people have no right to a duel – you are appropriating servers for your own personal preferences. While I agree that dueling should be in the game, in the meantime, it isn’t – that means every time you’re dueling, you’re using a server for something other than its intended purpose. It’s not another players job to make sure you aren’t using a server for something other than its intended purpose.

That being said, there’s no need to be a dick on either side – if you’re dueling and someone kittens it up, explain to them that you’re dueling – if they apologize and leave, leave it at that. If they’re an kitten and continue to kitten up your dueling, that player is at fault.

I joined a server.
Asked them if they were dueling
No reply
Took a point, they team swapped to the same team and came and rolled me … WTH?

I mean at least I was kind enough to ask first, all you had to do was say, y … 1 .YES and I probably would have joined they duel..
People these days and hiding behind their internet.

Insult me to my face and you will have 2 black eyes
Insult me over the internet .. I say coward sir, man the hell up

" Join a PVP game". It doesn’t say anything about dueling, so how was I supposed to know?
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PvP: Player versus Player
Duelling: Pitting a single player against another single player in a competitive environment.

This still constitutes PvP. ‘Join PvP game’ really just means ‘give me the option to fight other people recreationally’

also.

You need a thicker skin. This is 2013, mate. Some kids talking smack on a video game shouldn’t cause this sort of backlash — I can only assume you are a grown adult person, and are thus relatively ignorant to the methods of todays generations — Video game vulgarity is the least of your worries.

“Currently, however, people have no right to a duel – you are appropriating servers for your own personal preferences. While I agree that dueling should be in the game, in the meantime, it isn’t – that means every time you’re dueling, you’re using a server for something other than its intended purpose. "

I would like to point out that, with over 150 constantly active servers, even the first 50 are hardly ever full. I have literally never seen the total amount of players equate to more than 50% of the fillable space. Some players (usually those more inclined to learn their profession extensively) would prefer to test their limitations in a controlled, calculable way, with potentially predictable results. This is achieved by joining empty servers with friends and experimenting — The sort of experimenting that CANNOT be achieved in an 8v8 zerg, and the sort of experimenting not worth throwing MMR away for. These players are not inhibiting you, or anyone else, from doing what you want.
Which makes me question why you’d prefer to take these options away from them.

If you accidentally join a duelling server, just leave. 10-20 seconds later, you’ll be good and ready to be stomping faces in the game mode you wanted. But its not their fault for you being too lazy to pick a real server.

Hell, personally, I’ve NEVER used that ‘Play Now’ button — But that mostly has to do with my undying love of Battle of Khylo.

Verisuvalise.3615:

" Join a PVP game". It doesn’t say anything about dueling, so how was I supposed to know?
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PvP: Player versus Player
Duelling: Pitting a single player against another single player in a competitive environment.

This still constitutes PvP. ‘Join PvP game’ really just means ‘give me the option to fight other people recreationally’

also.

You need a thicker skin. This is 2013, mate. Some kids talking smack on a video game shouldn’t cause this sort of backlash — I can only assume you are a grown adult person, and are thus relatively ignorant to the methods of todays generations — Video game vulgarity is the least of your worries.

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“Currently, however, people have no right to a duel – you are appropriating servers for your own personal preferences. While I agree that dueling should be in the game, in the meantime, it isn’t – that means every time you’re dueling, you’re using a server for something other than its intended purpose. "

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I would like to point out that, with over 150 constantly active servers, even the first 50 are hardly ever full. I have literally never seen the total amount of players equate to more than 50% of the fillable space. Some players (usually those more inclined to learn their profession extensively) would prefer to test their limitations in a controlled, calculable way, with potentially predictable results. This is achieved by joining empty servers with friends and experimenting — The sort of experimenting that CANNOT be achieved in an 8v8 zerg, and the sort of experimenting not worth throwing MMR away for. These players are not inhibiting you, or anyone else, from doing what you want.
Which makes me question why you’d prefer to take these options away from them.

If you accidentally join a duelling server, just leave. 10-20 seconds later, you’ll be good and ready to be stomping faces in the game mode you wanted. But its not their fault for you being too lazy to pick a real server.

Hell, personally, I’ve NEVER used that ‘Play Now’ button — But that mostly has to do with my undying love of Battle of Khylo.

A) Don’t make excuses for kittens. It doesn’t matter what the current cultural norm is – it could be better. We’re far from perfect as a species, and eliminating mouthy douchknockers would be a step forward, however minor. Telling someone they should have “thicker skin” is counter-productive – we should be working on ostracizing kitten to eliminate or educate them, not making excuses for them.

B) I understand people need to test specs, test 1v1’s, and hone their skills. Dueling servers should certainly exist. At the moment, they do not. Just as people who are dueling are “using the servers for their intended purpose” (by your definition), someone who disrupts one is also “using the servers for their intended purpose.” Understanding on both sides is the key – don’t troll duelers, don’t be a mouthy kitten if someone ruins your duel by accident. Mistakes can happen on both sides. If someone is purposefully being an kitten on either side, by all means, demean them – but if someone’s kittengery is in question, try being nice first.

C) I have no problems exiting a dueling server – when I join 4 6+/10 server in a row, and they’re all dueling servers, it can get frustrating. Its not the dueling players fault; its not my fault; its Anet’s fault – that doesn’t make it any less aggravating however to have wasted 5 minutes of my time – if I make the mistake of playing the game and accidentally ruining your duel, I’ll be apologetic; Unless you’re an kitten, in which case all my annoyance at Anets failings and my wasted time will have immediately found a new target. The issue here is duelers will tend to treat you like the scum of the earth for “ruining their duel” when all you were trying to do was PvP.

Lol since when did "derrr how was i supposed to know derr" become a reasonable excuse for trolling ? People look for attention with post like this. Hopefully we can get some type of dueling system to lock out people like OP!

evilapprentice.6379:

leman.7682:

OP, you found out you were mistaken. Empty servers are used for dueling.

Now, if you could, stop arguing and let go.

AGAIN,
Nobody has a right to duel.
While its generally considered polite (and I agree with this sentiment) to not kitten with duels, no one is required not to.
Coming from the position that he was in the wrong technically is incorrect. He was wrong in that he did not understand the general etiquette, but all he did was play the game – He’s not wrong for playing the game.

i can ruin your day in the mists before you’ve even qued up, i discovered a way (which i won’t share) to prevent you from doing anything, and best of all it does’nt break the rules,
yet i don’t use it…
ever wondered why? after all, its not wrong, i’m just playing the game.
answer: because i’m not a kitten.

YES something is possible, YES you have every right to do it, that still does’nt make it the correct thing to do, 99% of all pvpers will know that empty servers are used for dueling since Anet were too lazy to add a duel function, you’re playing an MMO, learn to deal with how the community work around missing features or go play a single player game if the communities choices don’t work for you, otherwise expect for the duelers to spawn camp you until you quit being a kitten.

sometimes people won’t answer you because they don’t speak english btw – so it might be best to just leave if you’re unsure it only takes another 15 seconds to get a new game.

If someone is a jerk you’re well within your rights to troll them a bit though – I joined one once, asked if it was a duel – no answer, a guy starts attacking me, so i killed him, then he said “leave we are dueling you idiot” XD needless to say I didn’t leave – ever

Hi! As this thread is derailling pretty fast, we are closing it now.
Thanks for your understanding.