Guild Wars 2

Everyone knows that these 2 classes cancel animation and start again to do much more dmg than intended. In d/d it also makes the signet procs more and heal more. On mesmer it makes the already broken dmg become more broken.

Why a fix:

1) For ele it would be a nerf/fix to both dmg and survivability of the d/d celestial spec.

2) For mesmer would fix the constant broken dmg.

Imagine that your ranger, warrior, guard or any other class could hit twice as much with autoatack. This is what happens with mesmer and ele canceling animation. In almost all the other classes it is not viable because the auto is in a 2-3 hit chain or not channeled skill.

How to fix:

1) Turn them into 2-3 hit chains or make it a infinite loop of 1 skill but requiring you to cast until the end.

2)Just make cancel skill = no dmg. Like all the other skills

Sounds good to me. I’ve never used this on my ele because I see it as an exploit.

I suggest the necro treatment – all skills are cancelled when enemy casually walks through you.

Joke aside aftercasts are the most stupid thing ever, whole game is insta or 1/4s casts with +0.5s after delays. It should just be a regular 0.75s cast, hit, and thats it.

I’m surprised it still hasn’t been fixed. I guess it’s not something that can be easily hotfixed though. Still, it’s been mentioned enough times to at least receive a little notice from anet, you’d think. :/

Yeah, I don’t really use it either because it’s pretty cheesy. Should probably be fixed.

Lol at players who can’t do it so they cry…. remember people this is the guy who still thinks mesmers are OP.

The increased damage from mesmer is miniscule. The increased healing on ele is miniscule.

The problem isn’t the stow weapon. The problem is dumb kitten players who think these techniques are why the lose to better players….

NeXeD.3042:

Lol at players who can’t do it so they cry…. remember people this is the guy who still thinks mesmers are OP.

The increased damage from mesmer is miniscule. The increased healing on ele is miniscule.

The problem isn’t the stow weapon. The problem is dumb kitten players who think these techniques are why the lose to better players….

you are still defending an exploit

not a balance decision

not a style of gameplay

an exploit

The ele combo does not give more damage. It does give more health but is a high skill combo that separates good players from the best.

Idk… I don’t think abusing an exploit should be the defining difference between a good player and ‘the best’ player. It’s like saying you’re not the best unless you know how to speed hack or something, doing something that wasn’t intended. :/

It’s not a huge deal, but it would be nice if it were to either be fixed or to be announced that it is working as intended.

sinject.4607:

NeXeD.3042:

Lol at players who can’t do it so they cry…. remember people this is the guy who still thinks mesmers are OP.

The increased damage from mesmer is miniscule. The increased healing on ele is miniscule.

The problem isn’t the stow weapon. The problem is dumb kitten players who think these techniques are why the lose to better players….

you are still defending an exploit

not a balance decision

not a style of gameplay

an exploit

Has Anet called it an exploit?

For the first time did read that yesterday on forums.
Haven’t really noticed in game.
I don’t really see it as something that needs #1 attention.
But if someone does get egoboosted and kitten about it because he’s exploiting and manage to win with someone – shows the value of those people.

Once that will be fixed, those people will be constantly on the ground due to lack of dps and healing.

Tao.5096:

For the first time did read that yesterday on forums.
Haven’t really noticed in game.
I don’t really see it as something that needs #1 attention.
But if someone does get egoboosted and kitten about it because he’s exploiting and manage to win with someone – shows the value of those people.

Once that will be fixed, those people will be constantly on the ground due to lack of dps and healing.

Who is egoboosting… what…… I hope you don’t mean me. I can do both of these techniques in the middle of a fight…. they are very simple to master…. and I don’t claim to be good at all. I find it laughable when people focus on something like this because they can’t do it and blame it as the reason they lost to whatever player. If they remove it I won’t complain, but if they remove it what just remember you won’t have your go to excuse anymore =)

NeXeD.3042:

Who is egoboosting… what…… I hope you don’t mean me. I can do both of these techniques in the middle of a fight…. they are very simple to master…. and I don’t claim to be good at all. I find it laughable when people focus on something like this because they can’t do it and blame it as the reason they lost to whatever player. If they remove it I won’t complain, but if they remove it what just remember you won’t have your go to excuse anymore =)

Nope.
I mean people who actually use it, depend on it and try to look like a hero in game.
Not pointing out here, just mentioning present silly mentality which some people do have.

I only am going to laugh, since those people are used to that heal boost.
The moment Anet fix it, is the moment their heal is reduced by 50%.
Because I’ve seen couple of prO eles with high healing capabilities – thought they’re just good – maybe it’s that case where they had macro on it.

If they’re killable now even with those silly exploits, then it’s going to be a fun time when it’s fixed.

In PvP Arenas, I can clearly say, that Elementalist community has the biggest amount of prO egoboosted nabs, who only flame&block when they get facerolled.

NeXeD.3042:

Lol at players who can’t do it so they cry…. remember people this is the guy who still thinks mesmers are OP.

The increased damage from mesmer is miniscule. The increased healing on ele is miniscule.

The problem isn’t the stow weapon. The problem is dumb kitten players who think these techniques are why the lose to better players….

Trying to trash talk the person because you dont know how or cant defend your point of view properly? For your information I have roughly 85-90% win%. Please keep the flame and the toxicity out of this topic.

Tao.5096:

NeXeD.3042:

Who is egoboosting… what…… I hope you don’t mean me. I can do both of these techniques in the middle of a fight…. they are very simple to master…. and I don’t claim to be good at all. I find it laughable when people focus on something like this because they can’t do it and blame it as the reason they lost to whatever player. If they remove it I won’t complain, but if they remove it what just remember you won’t have your go to excuse anymore =)

Nope.
I mean people who actually use it, depend on it and try to look like a hero in game.
Not pointing out here, just mentioning present silly mentality which some people do have.

I only am going to laugh, since those people are used to that heal boost.
The moment Anet fix it, is the moment their heal is reduced by 50%.
Because I’ve seen couple of prO eles with high healing capabilities – thought they’re just good – maybe it’s that case where they had macro on it.

If they’re killable now even with those silly exploits, then it’s going to be a fun time when it’s fixed.

In PvP Arenas, I can clearly say, that Elementalist community has the biggest amount of prO egoboosted nabs, who only flame&block when they get facerolled.

Neither of these techniques effect the game enough for people to be championing it and saying omfg I’m so leet I can do this. Sounds like you are just salty against eles getting an extra 200 hp every couple minutes or so….

@Dudis that’s great I’m glad you have been on TEAMs that have done well. But your ridiculous claims of mesmer OP and weapon stow OP is laughable and I’m going to call you out on it wether you like it or not.

They fixed fgs because of spvp, they fixed necro getting life force before match start. The small things make a difference. That extra dmg or the extra 250hp that comes from nowhere are important and do make a difference.

xDudisx.5914:

They fixed fgs because of spvp, they fixed necro getting life force before match start. The small things make a difference. That extra dmg or the extra 250hp that comes from nowhere are important and do make a difference.

They fixed fgs because of pvp? Interesting. Yeah denying a class it’s class mechanic at the beginning of every match was a great idea.

NeXeD.3042:

xDudisx.5914:

They fixed fgs because of spvp, they fixed necro getting life force before match start. The small things make a difference. That extra dmg or the extra 250hp that comes from nowhere are important and do make a difference.

They fixed fgs because of pvp? Interesting. Yeah denying a class it’s class mechanic at the beginning of every match was a great idea.

They ignored fgs in pve for ages, then 1 guy killed the lord in like 3s with that in a tourney they were livestreaming and then suddenly on the next update -70% dmg to fgs #4.

NeXeD.3042:

Neither of these techniques effect the game enough for people to be championing it and saying omfg I’m so leet I can do this. Sounds like you are just salty against eles getting an extra 200 hp every couple minutes or so….

Nope.
I’m salty about people who play eles and think they’re godlike, meanwhile they die, and start flaming you, for their lack of “skill?”.

I also didn’t say those exploits have any effect for me in the game.
What I meant was that most of them who rely on doubled heals from autoattack will cry when it’ll be fixed – if it will be fixed.

Tao.5096:

NeXeD.3042:

Neither of these techniques effect the game enough for people to be championing it and saying omfg I’m so leet I can do this. Sounds like you are just salty against eles getting an extra 200 hp every couple minutes or so….

Nope.
I’m salty about people who play eles and think they’re godlike, meanwhile they die, and start flaming you, for their lack of “skill?”.

I also didn’t say those exploits have any effect for me in the game.
What I meant was that most of them who rely on doubled heals from autoattack will cry when it’ll be fixed – if it will be fixed.

I was watching phantaram one day and I asked him about how much he uses lightning whip stow and his answer was very very seldom since you hurt your dps by doing it so it’s really not worth the extra 200 hp.

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

NeXeD.3042:

Neither of these techniques effect the game enough for people to be championing it and saying omfg I’m so leet I can do this. Sounds like you are just salty against eles getting an extra 200 hp every couple minutes or so….

Nope.
I’m salty about people who play eles and think they’re godlike, meanwhile they die, and start flaming you, for their lack of “skill?”.

I also didn’t say those exploits have any effect for me in the game.
What I meant was that most of them who rely on doubled heals from autoattack will cry when it’ll be fixed – if it will be fixed.

I was watching phantaram one day and I asked him about how much he uses lightning whip stow and his answer was very very seldom since you hurt your dps by doing it so it’s really not worth the extra 200 hp.

Are you sure that’s a direct quote? lol. When you stow lightning-whip there’s no noticeably damage loss, as instead of doing a 2hit ability you’re just repeatedly doing the first hit, basically doubling the ‘actions’ as far as signet of restoration is concerned, but not changing the hits per minute very much.

Chaith.8256:

NeXeD.3042:

Tao.5096:

NeXeD.3042:

Neither of these techniques effect the game enough for people to be championing it and saying omfg I’m so leet I can do this. Sounds like you are just salty against eles getting an extra 200 hp every couple minutes or so….

Nope.
I’m salty about people who play eles and think they’re godlike, meanwhile they die, and start flaming you, for their lack of “skill?”.

I also didn’t say those exploits have any effect for me in the game.
What I meant was that most of them who rely on doubled heals from autoattack will cry when it’ll be fixed – if it will be fixed.

I was watching phantaram one day and I asked him about how much he uses lightning whip stow and his answer was very very seldom since you hurt your dps by doing it so it’s really not worth the extra 200 hp.

Are you sure that’s a direct quote? lol. When you stow lightning-whip there’s no noticeably damage loss, as instead of doing a 2hit ability you’re just repeatedly doing the first hit, basically doubling the ‘actions’ as far as signet of restoration is concerned, but not changing the hits per minute very much.

I don’t have a quote it was on stream and he was talking, I also asked about people possibly making a macro for it. The dps loss is almost insignificant but it’s there.

I don’t know if Anet has said anything about it but I have a strong feeling it’s not intended so I don’t use it.

Israel.7056:

I don’t know if Anet has said anything about it but I have a strong feeling it’s not intended so I don’t use it.

Do you think anet intended to sit in a corner and spam buttons?

xDudisx.5914:

Imagine that your ranger, warrior, guard or any other class could hit twice as much with autoatack.

on mesmer is not twice…is around 25-30% pretty much

An argument could be made that even 1% is too much…

Ryan.9387:

The ele combo does not give more damage. It does give more health but is a high skill combo that separates good players from the best.

Since when exploits are called skill, lol. Especially when all your “skill” is a few script commands binded on button.

xDudisx.5914:

They ignored fgs in pve for ages, then 1 guy killed the lord in like 3s with that in a tourney they were livestreaming and then suddenly on the next update -70% dmg to fgs #4.

Then it’s even funnier if they fix stuff based on what’s happening in Tournaments and not consider reports and tests some people do.

If you do it fast enough, there is no DPS loss in Lighting Whip stow

You don’t need a macro at all it is sooo easy

It is funny that this guy keep saying this is the “skill” in this game. Laughable.

Is like saying a soccer player pretending injuries to try to convince the referee is making a skillful move and and everyone should try the same. This is like using the engineer trick to jump inside Red keep in ebg bypassing the gates and walls (from outer to inside inner with super speed) is also skillful.

I think they should be fixed, they are clearly not supposed to work this way. The effects are really noticable and strong and this will eventually have to effect the balancing of Ele Heal Sig or Mesmer GS damage – I’d rather they just removed the source of the problem.

Despite this being nothing but a part of the OP’s insane anti-mesmer crusade and making some of the stupidest post’s this forum has seen, I also think these should be fixed.

Mesmer auto will need a buff then. I dont think you guys notice how awful the mesmer GS autoattack actually is in terms of DPS. Also XDudisX stop lying, you have nowhere near 90% winrate.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Elitist.8701:

Mesmer auto will need a buff then. I dont think you guys notice how awful the mesmer GS autoattack actually is in terms of DPS. Also XDudisX stop lying, you have nowhere near 90% winrate.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/xDudisx5914

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Elitist8701

Now back to the topic. Looks like everyone that is against the fix can only use ad hominem and presents no real argument.

Shouldn’t get changed, it increases skillcap, if anet thinks those professions are overpowered, they can nerf them without removing core skill differentiators.

Dudis is your basis for removing this that it effects balance too much or that it is not what anet wants?

Teef high winrates are possible even in soloq I haven’t been able to play much but even I am 8-1 part of the reason I haven’t understood everyone complaining about the new matchmaking.

Stow Weapon also effects Thieves Giving them basically a free teleport+blind on shadowshot if you weapon cancel. WITHOUT BREAKING STEALTH WHICH MAKES IT OP AS kitten

Stow Weapon also gives 1.5-1.8 second of reflect every 3 seconds on mesmer Reflect heal

Stow Weapon used to give a no aftercast for a lot of warrior hammer skills which was funny but they changed that.

Anet Has not thought out weapon cancelling, I’m surprised Mesmer reflect hasn’t made it into the meta with all the engineers/LB Warriors.

Should be patched out. This game mechanic is not apparent to new players (not reflected in any tooltips). It pushes players to either carpal tunnel syndrome or macroing to keep up, neither of which I would laud as something “skillful” that should be kept around. Furthermore it is ridiculous to watch as the shoutcasters constantly pan the camera to (insert high level dd ele) spamming lightning whip 100 times without being near any target.

xDudisx.5914:

Elitist.8701:

Mesmer auto will need a buff then. I dont think you guys notice how awful the mesmer GS autoattack actually is in terms of DPS. Also XDudisX stop lying, you have nowhere near 90% winrate.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/xDudisx5914

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Elitist8701

Now back to the topic. Looks like everyone that is against the fix can only use ad hominem and presents no real argument.

Dudis if you really wanna play that way, your old winrate in the old system was low 50%ile range in both TeamQ and SoloQ, your new winrate is because you likely have terrible MMR and were facing terribads, whereas when I soloQ into ranked, I end up facing a premade thats actually good. If you seriously think you’re better than me, we can settle this in any number of ways, I will stomp you in 1v1, 5v5, basically any sort of PvP. Furthermore, you’re the person that thinks Mesmer is OP, which is literally one of the most ridiculous things Ive seen on this forum. “Get Good Son”

NeXeD.3042:

sinject.4607:

NeXeD.3042:

Lol at players who can’t do it so they cry…. remember people this is the guy who still thinks mesmers are OP.

The increased damage from mesmer is miniscule. The increased healing on ele is miniscule.

The problem isn’t the stow weapon. The problem is dumb kitten players who think these techniques are why the lose to better players….

you are still defending an exploit

not a balance decision

not a style of gameplay

an exploit

Has Anet called it an exploit?

anet doesnt comment on anything, unless you’re crying about MMR or matchmaking, they will never respond to you. it’s sad, but it’s the truth.

an exploit is taking advantage of unintended mechanics/bugs/glitches to gain an advantage

and guess what the stow weapon issue is? an unintended mechanic that people can use to gain an advantage.

you are objectively wrong and if you are trying to prove it is anything otherwise and you are all the more desperate in your defense of it.

Elitist.8701:

xDudisx.5914:

Elitist.8701:

Mesmer auto will need a buff then. I dont think you guys notice how awful the mesmer GS autoattack actually is in terms of DPS. Also XDudisX stop lying, you have nowhere near 90% winrate.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/xDudisx5914

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Elitist8701

Now back to the topic. Looks like everyone that is against the fix can only use ad hominem and presents no real argument.

Dudis if you really wanna play that way, your old winrate in the old system was low 50%ile range in both TeamQ and SoloQ, your new winrate is because you likely have terrible MMR and were facing terribads, whereas when I soloQ into ranked, I end up facing a premade thats actually good. If you seriously think you’re better than me, we can settle this in any number of ways, I will stomp you in 1v1, 5v5, basically any sort of PvP. Furthermore, you’re the person that thinks Mesmer is OP, which is literally one of the most ridiculous things Ive seen on this forum. “Get Good Son”

In the old queue I didnt had a team for team queues, and I played any of my classes in solo queue. Now I made a team with friends and am at currently about 90% win rate. You talk a lot and have your mediocre 60% win.

But back to the topic, canceling atacks to get extra dmg and healing is something that should be fixed. If you think just click more buttons means skill then a grenade engi must the most skillful class in this game. It is the same kind of non intended feature that passed unnoticed by anet like a lot of game breaking stuff that had been fixed in the past.

i’m amazed by the amount of people who try to defend obvious exploits as skill. especially since both examples can be easily used by macros.
whether it doubles your dps or “just” adds 30% doesn’t matter, it’s not working as intended and needs fixing. all the kiddies confusing it with “skill” or “technique” simply are not as good in this game as they imagine themself and need to practice more.

Well Dudis, since you cant understand English, Ill state again, my 60% winrate is because Ive only SOLOQED in ranked. And if you think your team is good, lets have a 5v5 scrim, your team vs my team. On topic though, DD ele stow weapon actually provides a LOT of healing, it needs to be removed.

It doesn’t need a nerf. It needs to be taken out of game or Anet needs to state it OK and put it under a tool tip.

Its like the necro life force stacking pre game. It is stupid and should be removed. It was removed but necro should of been buffed to start with 39% life force to compensate.

This change is obvious. It is an exploit. It doesn’t increase skill cap anymore than it is just a knowledge thing. It would be similar (not exactly the same) as being able to get outside the map to survive or something. It would allow knowledgeable people to exploit a game issue and benefit from their “skill”. But it is not good for the game because it is an ugly feature. It is a tedious thing to do (like necro life force stacking was tedious) and is therefore just bad game design.

MarauderShields.6830:

i’m amazed by the amount of people who try to defend obvious exploits as skill. especially since both examples can be easily used by macros.
whether it doubles your dps or “just” adds 30% doesn’t matter, it’s not working as intended and needs fixing. all the kiddies confusing it with “skill” or “technique” simply are not as good in this game as they imagine themself and need to practice more.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Its like the necro life force stacking pre game. It is stupid and should be removed. It was removed but necro should of been buffed to start with 39% life force to compensate.

This change is obvious. It is an exploit. It doesn’t increase skill cap anymore than it is just a knowledge thing. It would be similar (not exactly the same) as being able to get outside the map to survive or something. It would allow knowledgeable people to exploit a game issue and benefit from their “skill”. But it is not good for the game because it is an ugly feature. It is a tedious thing to do (like necro life force stacking was tedious) and is therefore just bad game design.

Luckily the non troll players are showing up to support the idea. Is like firing a gun and keep the bullet doest make sense. What kind of player defend the landing a skill that you didnt even cast? Only 2 kind: the ones been taking advantage of the cheap trick to bypass game mechanics and the ones that are trolling on the foruns.

Leave it as it is.
Or fix it and give Elementalists +250 Healing Power.

LMAO op got 1’d to death several times by a mesmer to make him salty enough to make a post about it….. worst then getting ganked by ranger longbow.

back on topic: kitten YEAH This sounds amazing!!!! you got 2 options to choose from

Option 1: Remove ability to cancel skill 1 but force ALL classes to do their entire attack chain every push of skill 1.

Reasoning: In your rage filled huff and puff post you overlooked 1 major detail in terms of mesmer greatsword 1 – When skill 1 unless i cancel it Im forced to do the entire attack chain and get hit with an aftercast. All other classes have the choice of when they want ( to a certain timed extent) and IF they even want to do the 2nd or 3rd part of their attack chain without even having to cancel skills. Why should only the mesmer be punished for replicating exactly what the other classes do without them having to hit an extra key?

Or

Option 2: split the channeled 1 skill into a 3 part attack chain like the other classes – same reasoning as above.

Either way is a pretty good buff for me, but between the 2 Im heavily leaned for option 2. I play as proactive shatter mesmer

Pros
1. blind- powerful enough to stop a burst but weak enough not to warrant a cleanse if im carrying one ( who am i kidding what is this condi removal hack that other classes have?). While in stealth autoattacking but canceling before the 2nd tick is the best techinque to remove blind while keeping the upper hand for positioning, but if im too slow on the cancel or get skill lag im forced to do the 2nd tick and thus get revealed. Sure the skill lag will always potentially be there but at least i could maybe keep the upperhand after using decoy or mass invis for better postioning.

2. Mind games – Biggest part of playing a class is fooling others to dodge weaker skills only to get hit by the more damaging skills. As it is now when you see a purple beam you know that your pretty safe for 1.5 seconds since he can’t do anything ( assuming he isn’t canceling after 2nd tick) unless you were at range with low health, your not going to waste a dodge roll/block/or evade. When you see a berserker or mirror blade come out your most likely going to dodge the next cast is going to be the opposite vs ss. even if they cast ss youll have a 1.5 lead of regaining endurance. Breaking the auto chain up can help play more mind games like 2,4 or 2,1,4 or 2,1,1,4 could easily cause more mistakes

3. less channeled skills – A fetus can interrupt a channled skill in this game, occionally i play wvw where the perplex teefs are numerous. It sucks having the potential 10-13 stacks on confusion instantly because skill 1 is channeled.

Im pretty game for such changes

As much as I hate Dudis’s ‘classism’ against mesmers, I actually don’t care. I never knew or needed to know about such an insignificant boost to my DPS, so really, this won’t affect much at all. Let ANet fix it, for all I care, or simply announce that it’s a creative technique players came up with, or whatever.