Guild Wars 2

Ravenmoon.5318:

Have you heard of Zeus in Dota? Yeah, that’s the character who’s ulti made a map wide damage. Needless to say with proper voip it killed half the enemy team in a teamfight. You couldn’t run from this skill or block it. Talking about of one trick ponnies

By all means, go checkout LoL and see if they only have autoattack as you assume.

Although you can argue whether moa is too strong or not on its own, that really isn’t the point of this thread. In Dota, Zeus using his ult means there won’t be another ult for quite some time (unless he got a refresher, but that means he farmed it and it also shows why you can’t compare GW2 to Dota). A mesmer whiffing his moa is a mesmer who can use it again right away or wait for the cooldown of his F5 shatter. Big impact skills should have a very long cooldowns, that is pretty basic stuff.

Suns Dusk.7201:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Have you heard of Zeus in Dota? Yeah, that’s the character who’s ulti made a map wide damage. Needless to say with proper voip it killed half the enemy team in a teamfight. You couldn’t run from this skill or block it. Talking about of one trick ponnies

By all means, go checkout LoL and see if they only have autoattack as you assume.

Although you can argue whether moa is too strong or not on its own, that really isn’t the point of this thread. In Dota, Zeus using his ult means there won’t be another ult for quite some time (unless he got a refresher, but that means he farmed it and it also shows why you can’t compare GW2 to Dota). A mesmer whiffing his moa is a mesmer who can use it again right away or wait for the cooldown of his F5 shatter. Big impact skills should have a very long cooldowns, that is pretty basic stuff.

180 seconds is a massive cooldown. (moa)
90 seconds is a massive cooldown. (split)

In Gw2 terms this is quite massive cooldown, given most skills are within 30 seconds on cooldown.

And come on … if moa is that spammable and whatnot, why do we see teams of 5 reapers and not teams of 5 condiphantasmashatterwhateversillyname mesmers?

Even on mesmer daily you get 1 mesmer per team at best. Unlike necro daily which fills the stupid matchmaking to the brimm with necros.

P.S: Zeus’s ulti is on 90 second cooldown. Much like continuum split.

And if someone does double moa you, you should be happy. This means this mesmer will never use moa until the end of the game. That’s how much of a cooldown 180 seconds is.

Ravenmoon.5318:

180 seconds is a massive cooldown. (moa)
90 seconds is a massive cooldown. (split)

In Gw2 terms this is quite massive cooldown, given most skills are within 30 seconds on cooldown.

Can you please give us a list of this “most” elite skills within 30 seconds cd?

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elite_skill

Shylock.4653:

Ravenmoon.5318:

180 seconds is a massive cooldown. (moa)
90 seconds is a massive cooldown. (split)

In Gw2 terms this is quite massive cooldown, given most skills are within 30 seconds on cooldown.

Can you please give us a list of this “most” elite skills within 30 seconds cd?

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elite_skill

I said most skills, not most elite skills. And even in terms of elite skills moa has one of the highest cooldowns there is. Only the warrior’s banner has more and bunch of others never-ever-used racial skills. As for elites, most are within 60 seconds and can be traited for less.

Meanwhile casting moa without alacrity is tons of fun.

If moa is as strong as all baddies claim it is, you’d never see gravity well mesmers. Which is simply not true. That and teams of 5 mesmers just spamming moa left and right if it is the iWin button you all claim it to be.

It’s kinda tricky though, because skilled players tend to press #5 and kite away.

If ANet keeps statistics they can release how many times i’ve died to moa in the past month.

And I’m an average player.

And thanks to the poor balance efforts of our lovely ANet devs … moa is the only real counterplay to the bruisers.

Bunkermeta is still pretty much alive. Bunkers just traded survivability was changed for a bit of condi damage.

You are pretty locked down tight if you can’t kill fast enough. An engi and tempest can contest a point for a minute against multiple power based opponents.

Reaper is even worse with the all the passiveness. Moa is the only way to take them down before they spin for the win and stack kittenton of mights and chills and bunch of other condis.

Blackjack.5621:

To those who tell me i shouldn´t run an ele build with 13k hp, I have to inform you that clerics amulet is the best option for eles. And eles don´t have viable reliable stunbreaks.

To those who question how i can ask for mesmer nerf, I am not asking for a nerf, I am asking for a change/rework.

Can you please inform yourself before posting nonsense please and stop arguing that class x/y are op therefore moa is fine? It´s not related to other classes.

Although I get your argument, and clearly I do agree with what’s being saod (by you and others), gw2 being a team based game; one change here would/will affect another component of the game. But yeah, moa need to be looked at.

Ravenmoon.5318:

I said most skills, not most elite skills.

Comparing other skills to elite skills is like comparing apples to oranges.

Ravenmoon.5318:

And even in terms of elite skills moa has one of the highest cooldowns there is. Only the warrior’s banner has more and bunch of others never-ever-used racial skills.

The biggest problem isn’t the 180s it’s the 90s and many of the most used elites have much more then 90s, especially the strong ones.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Must be the same people that cried for thief nerf, the same who cried that Diamond Skin was too op or cele tanks. People will always complain regardless of what it is. Must some form of mental disorder and crave attention.

pro players didn’t cry for thief nerfs

ds was too binary and badly designed

“fix” moa….
ok

fix ele too

ele not only has strong self heal, it has strong team heal