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i have been pvping 8-10 hours a day on my melee ranger. if i sucked i wouldn’t be on ranger in pvp i am not the best in the world but i am good working my butt off to being great.everyone of us no matter what the class has seen really good rangers and really bad ones in pvp.but in ranger forums nothing but crying did they ever stop to think they just have bad builds?i know no class is perfect they all have there problems . so can anyone tell me what the kittens is going on? or is it has simple has forums is where people go to cry? thank you in advance for your answers

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

Rangers have just never been amazing, sometimes decent, never rubbish, just around abouts. Although in SoloQ there is a trapper ranger, who is to put it frankly, kittening god like. I forget the players name but this dude is balls deep into trapper. I saw him eat two of my team mates and they were not rubbish mind. Not amazing but they knew their class well enough.

But yeah, ranger is a class that you will have to be good at in order to get results, there is no easy mode for them. Bearbow, the sit at the back turret dude, they all get ruined by decent players, but any build played well is a real task.

As you are playing one, keep at it, I dont think any decent player looks down on a ranger, I would doft my virtual hat to one, takes skill to be good with a ranger.

DaliIndica.9041:

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

wasnt last summer spirit rangers heyday? where in pax tournament entire comps were built around neutralizing spirit ranger?

gesho.9468:

DaliIndica.9041:

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

wasnt last summer spirit rangers heyday? where in pax tournament entire comps were built around neutralizing spirit ranger?

he doesnt know that. these guys are fresh from pve thinking that by playing pvp for a couple of months make them eligible to post comments here. coughs inscrutable coughs

gesho.9468:

DaliIndica.9041:

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

wasnt last summer spirit rangers heyday? where in pax tournament entire comps were built around neutralizing spirit ranger?

also BM

gesho.9468:

DaliIndica.9041:

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

wasnt last summer spirit rangers heyday? where in pax tournament entire comps were built around neutralizing spirit ranger?

also BM

DaliIndica.9041:

ranger is a class that you will have to be good at in order to get results

i alughed

Valentin.2073:

gesho.9468:

DaliIndica.9041:

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

wasnt last summer spirit rangers heyday? where in pax tournament entire comps were built around neutralizing spirit ranger?

he doesnt know that. these guys are fresh from pve thinking that by playing pvp for a couple of months make them eligible to post comments here. coughs inscrutable coughs

so are you saying with over 200 matches my opinion doesn’t Count?

no, it doesnt. you are trying to tell us a history about the meta that you obviously dont have enough knowledge. im gonna tell you this ranger has never been out of the meta. we are hanging by a thread now but the class is still in the meta. ranger was represented at the recent TOL and at the pax tourney in 2013, there was even a team that chose to run double ranger.

Rangers have always been sub par. Our pets and our spirits, they were once OP and are the reason ranger got to be competitive.

i think these people based their comments on the ranger’s performance in wvw. they might have thought it was the same thing in pvp. lok

dude, the only way to revive the ranger is to give back what they had taken away from the spirit build. sb kinda looks spammy because crossfire attack speed is fast and you get to use it a lot while you are waiting fo your other weapon skills to get off cd. stop with these hasty judgements.

Valentin.2073:

dude, the only way to revive the ranger is to give back what they had taken away from the spirit build. sb kinda looks spammy because crossfire attack speed is fast and you get to use it a lot while you are waiting fo your other weapon skills to get off cd. stop with these hasty judgements.

The spirit build is still a brain-dead option. It needs to be nerfed further and other ranger builds need to be buffed.

it’s far from braindead. i play all ranger builds but my favorite is the spirit build not because its op but due to how interesting it really is. what more interesting than to heal your allies and rez 3 of tgat the same time. the support it brings to the team is very unique and far from braindead.

Most people seem to really like my ranger in PvP. I have never experienced any problems like OP

trunks.5249:

Valentin.2073:

gesho.9468:

DaliIndica.9041:

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

wasnt last summer spirit rangers heyday? where in pax tournament entire comps were built around neutralizing spirit ranger?

he doesnt know that. these guys are fresh from pve thinking that by playing pvp for a couple of months make them eligible to post comments here. coughs inscrutable coughs

so are you saying with over 200 matches my opinion doesn’t Count?

lol i have like 10 times your tournament matches on mesmer alone and a total of around 5k+..

200 matches is nothing…anyway ranger have always been viable from trapper and bm with birds hitting like trucks at close to no-brain spirit crap (Yes it’s plain braindead on par with those new turret engis)..talking about classes not really viable since months (Well more likely 1 year, after war’s and necro’s nonsense buffs) you can list mesmers and eles…but complaining about ranger being out of meta has really no point…whoever is saying the opposite must just take a look at pax then go back hj and stop complaining already.

gesho.9468:

DaliIndica.9041:

I think its because the ranger has never had its day in the sun. Most of the other classes have had periods when they were amazing to play, so much overpower. Each class has had its day bar the ranger. Even warriors had a time when they were utterly junk and no one used them. Now they are hideously overpowered. Thief used to be the rage, now its a bit rubbish, still great for roaming but the tricks are gone.

wasnt last summer spirit rangers heyday? where in pax tournament entire comps were built around neutralizing spirit ranger?

Pretty much this. But the OP is right, I’ve never seen so much QQing on any class as I have from rangers. A friend of mine even made one called Qew Qew Ranger and spends most PvP games moaning about how ranger doesn’t have X,Y and Z as a joke at these people. It gets funnier when ranger players start agreeing with him.

Spirit is totally braindead an option, there really is not much skill involved. Before the timers for spirits were changed even more so. I tried one a long time ago to see what it was like and it was just a win button, there was very little thinking involved and you could pretty much fall asleep playing it and still get results.

Valentin.2073:

no, it doesnt. you are trying to tell us a history about the meta that you obviously dont have enough knowledge. im gonna tell you this ranger has never been out of the meta. we are hanging by a thread now but the class is still in the meta. ranger was represented at the recent TOL and at the pax tourney in 2013, there was even a team that chose to run double ranger.

So I am a PVE player then am I? with over 2000 hours of nothing but pvp. I have about 150 gold, pretty much all the map left unknown, but all bar the guardian pvp titles and reaper ransacker etc. Yeah, oh and champion brawler for winning 1000 arena games.

Yeah, i am such a non-pvp player. Maybe in NA you guys struggle with ranger pets a few months ago (lol, before they even fixed them up, they are still easy to avoid).

Spirits had potential but only in a team utilising them. Double ranger was cheese that was always easy to beat, you simply watch a few streams of some players and assume thats how it really is. Talking utter nonsense.

i think most of the ranger hate comes from the elitist scene,
spirit ranger is the only build seen as viable, and its a totally cheese build.

personally i have fun on ranger, with the right BM build you can do some serious damage.
and with the right marksman build you can spam 3k crits from 1500 away.

Valentin.2073:

i think these people based their comments on the ranger’s performance in wvw. they might have thought it was the same thing in pvp. lok

Yup. And most of the wvw problems are almost entirely player related

DaliIndica.9041:

Valentin.2073:

no, it doesnt. you are trying to tell us a history about the meta that you obviously dont have enough knowledge. im gonna tell you this ranger has never been out of the meta. we are hanging by a thread now but the class is still in the meta. ranger was represented at the recent TOL and at the pax tourney in 2013, there was even a team that chose to run double ranger.

So I am a PVE player then am I? with over 2000 hours of nothing but pvp. I have about 150 gold, pretty much all the map left unknown, but all bar the guardian pvp titles and reaper ransacker etc. Yeah, oh and champion brawler for winning 1000 arena games.

Yeah, i am such a non-pvp player. Maybe in NA you guys struggle with ranger pets a few months ago (lol, before they even fixed them up, they are still easy to avoid).

Spirits had potential but only in a team utilising them. Double ranger was cheese that was always easy to beat, you simply watch a few streams of some players and assume thats how it really is. Talking utter nonsense.

stop lying. you just made a big fool out of yourself by saying ranger has never had his heyday. nobody believes you. you lost your credibility bigtime. we were not talking about streams. we were talking about huge arenanet tourneys with huge dollar prizes.

@vee hee

dude, a lot of us have already blocked you on NA worldchat. you dont make sense at all. you sound like a 2 yr old that just started talking. you say the same kitten over and over. we really dont care if you’re NA top engi, you still act like a kitten kitten.

DaliIndica.9041:

Valentin.2073:

no, it doesnt. you are trying to tell us a history about the meta that you obviously dont have enough knowledge. im gonna tell you this ranger has never been out of the meta. we are hanging by a thread now but the class is still in the meta. ranger was represented at the recent TOL and at the pax tourney in 2013, there was even a team that chose to run double ranger.

So I am a PVE player then am I? with over 2000 hours of nothing but pvp. I have about 150 gold, pretty much all the map left unknown, but all bar the guardian pvp titles and reaper ransacker etc. Yeah, oh and champion brawler for winning 1000 arena games.

Yeah, i am such a non-pvp player. Maybe in NA you guys struggle with ranger pets a few months ago (lol, before they even fixed them up, they are still easy to avoid).

Spirits had potential but only in a team utilising them. Double ranger was cheese that was always easy to beat, you simply watch a few streams of some players and assume thats how it really is. Talking utter nonsense.

You just discredited yourself by saying Ranger needs skills in order to be effective. (not want to discredit your achievements and experience in PvP generally though)
Still, have you ever seen a Spirit Ranger or a BM Ranger in their glorious days? You should rethink your statement.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

DaliIndica.9041:

Valentin.2073:

no, it doesnt. you are trying to tell us a history about the meta that you obviously dont have enough knowledge. im gonna tell you this ranger has never been out of the meta. we are hanging by a thread now but the class is still in the meta. ranger was represented at the recent TOL and at the pax tourney in 2013, there was even a team that chose to run double ranger.

So I am a PVE player then am I? with over 2000 hours of nothing but pvp. I have about 150 gold, pretty much all the map left unknown, but all bar the guardian pvp titles and reaper ransacker etc. Yeah, oh and champion brawler for winning 1000 arena games.

Yeah, i am such a non-pvp player. Maybe in NA you guys struggle with ranger pets a few months ago (lol, before they even fixed them up, they are still easy to avoid).

Spirits had potential but only in a team utilising them. Double ranger was cheese that was always easy to beat, you simply watch a few streams of some players and assume thats how it really is. Talking utter nonsense.

You just discredited yourself by saying Ranger needs skills in order to be effective. (not want to discredit your achievements and experience in PvP generally though)
Still, have you ever seen a Spirit Ranger or a BM Ranger in their glorious days? You should rethink your statement.

Spirit ranger had some support power I will give you that, but if they were no good the spirits wouldnt last that long and not provide the buffs. But I could be splitting hairs on that one, but I never had any issue with them at all, but I was a thief mostly back then so maybe I am not the best class to debate that. The BM was never very good, but now I think about it maybe as a thief BM was always rubbish. Rangers always seemed to be based on their pets, or spirits, never the actual ranger.

DaliIndica.9041:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

DaliIndica.9041:

Valentin.2073:

no, it doesnt. you are trying to tell us a history about the meta that you obviously dont have enough knowledge. im gonna tell you this ranger has never been out of the meta. we are hanging by a thread now but the class is still in the meta. ranger was represented at the recent TOL and at the pax tourney in 2013, there was even a team that chose to run double ranger.

So I am a PVE player then am I? with over 2000 hours of nothing but pvp. I have about 150 gold, pretty much all the map left unknown, but all bar the guardian pvp titles and reaper ransacker etc. Yeah, oh and champion brawler for winning 1000 arena games.

Yeah, i am such a non-pvp player. Maybe in NA you guys struggle with ranger pets a few months ago (lol, before they even fixed them up, they are still easy to avoid).

Spirits had potential but only in a team utilising them. Double ranger was cheese that was always easy to beat, you simply watch a few streams of some players and assume thats how it really is. Talking utter nonsense.

You just discredited yourself by saying Ranger needs skills in order to be effective. (not want to discredit your achievements and experience in PvP generally though)
Still, have you ever seen a Spirit Ranger or a BM Ranger in their glorious days? You should rethink your statement.

Spirit ranger had some support power I will give you that, but if they were no good the spirits wouldnt last that long and not provide the buffs. But I could be splitting hairs on that one, but I never had any issue with them at all, but I was a thief mostly back then so maybe I am not the best class to debate that. The BM was never very good, but now I think about it maybe as a thief BM was always rubbish. Rangers always seemed to be based on their pets, or spirits, never the actual ranger.

Yeah go tell dat to symbolic….still best close afk eu xD

This thread also shows that the hate isn’t limited to ranger forums.

Ranger is one of the best 1v1 classes (as for me even the best). Sure not all builds are viable, but which class has them? There are ranger builds being able to beat any other builds of any class. Ranger is completely fine, just full power build could use some love, but that’s just my little wish.

Sarision.6347:

This thread also shows that the hate isn’t limited to ranger forums.

Not to mention that most of the hate is born from ignorance in the first place

The two most irritating classes to play against are Thieves and Rangers. Both classes can excel in group fights that are already underway. Most thieves just pick off the players with the lowest health from stealth in zerker, while rangers stand at max range in hard to access (target) places locking you down and adding dps.

I wouldn’t say I hate these classes, but they are irritating because as a mesmer I’ve found that I would have to change to a certain builds to deal with them effectively. More toughness/conditions for thieves and reflects for Rangers, with some lock down for both. Of course you can’t change your build once sPvP has started.

Vague Memory.2817:

The two most irritating classes to play against are Thieves and Rangers. Both classes can excel in group fights that are already underway. Most thieves just pick off the players with the lowest health from stealth in zerker, while rangers stand at max range in hard to access (target) places locking you down and adding dps.

I wouldn’t say I hate these classes, but they are irritating because as a mesmer I’ve found that I would have to change to a certain builds to deal with them effectively. More toughness/conditions for thieves and reflects for Rangers, with some lock down for both. Of course you can’t change your build once sPvP has started.

Mesmer huh?
What do you think about sic’em?

Prysin.8542:

Vague Memory.2817:

The two most irritating classes to play against are Thieves and Rangers. Both classes can excel in group fights that are already underway. Most thieves just pick off the players with the lowest health from stealth in zerker, while rangers stand at max range in hard to access (target) places locking you down and adding dps.

I wouldn’t say I hate these classes, but they are irritating because as a mesmer I’ve found that I would have to change to a certain builds to deal with them effectively. More toughness/conditions for thieves and reflects for Rangers, with some lock down for both. Of course you can’t change your build once sPvP has started.

Mesmer huh?
What do you think about sic’em?

Oh is that why I couldn’t go into stealth. Added to list of irritating things for rangers.

Ranger has overall not been in to bad of a state. They had their “day in the sun” more then once, and have always had a spot in whatever the meta was.

There are professions who had, and have it, worst. So i am more surprised why people are still conducting the Ranger Pity Train. They’re really not that bad off.

Terrahero.9358:

Ranger has overall not been in to bad of a state. They had their “day in the sun” more then once, and have always had a spot in whatever the meta was.

There are professions who had, and have it, worst. So i am more surprised why people are still conducting the Ranger Pity Train. They’re really not that bad off.

True. The only exception is wvw. Because in wvw 1 ranger will not produce much results once you get above 15v15. Thing is, be yond 15v15, no single class, except perhaps ele or necro, have any noticeable impact. However this fact is that people look at what ONE ranger can do for a team instead of looking at how many rangers you need to cover everyone involved with boons.

I think the ranger class requires skill on the behalf of the player in this current meta, disregarding shout builds. This statement is actually far off, as ranger isn’t a hard class to play, but your effectiveness with it can depend on that. For example I play a Longbow and Sword/Warhorn berserker build which I am having a lot of success with, but it has no get out of jail free cards. No protect me, no signet of stone etc…I need to work with the team to do well, and most rangers don’t do that, they just sit at home using 1.

Eurantien.4632:

Rangers have always been sub par. Our pets and our spirits, they were once OP and are the reason ranger got to be competitive.

This, pretty much sums it up.

Prysin.8542:

Sarision.6347:

This thread also shows that the hate isn’t limited to ranger forums.

Not to mention that most of the hate is born from ignorance in the first place

I think there IS some justification for the hate.

What we have here is a class balanced an AI, an AI that the devs have struggled for two years to find a good spot. Even now, there are still some players who feel that pets require more nerfing.

Additionally as some in this thread pointed out, due to the design philosophy of sustained damage, ranger weapons tend to rely on autoattacks for dpsing.

In short, like you said before, it’s not that the devs don’t know what to do with the class, but that their vision differs from ours, and this not only applies to the ranger community, but to the rest of the GW2 community as well.

trunks.5249:

i have been pvping 8-10 hours a day on my melee ranger. if i sucked i wouldn’t be on ranger in pvp i am not the best in the world but i am good working my butt off to being great.everyone of us no matter what the class has seen really good rangers and really bad ones in pvp.but in ranger forums nothing but crying did they ever stop to think they just have bad builds?i know no class is perfect they all have there problems . so can anyone tell me what the kittens is going on? or is it has simple has forums is where people go to cry? thank you in advance for your answers

You are right in your statement here, what I have come to understand over time is that ranger has a very high skill cap and many people simply fail and get frustrated (like no one should fail right), and instead of posting about ‘how do I do this and that in a better way’ they rather unleash their fury in the forums. I get that everyone should be allowed to rage over thieves, especially since they are difficult to deal with when you’re still getting the hang of any profession, but to use your own failure as an excuse to lash out into the world is just sad.

Not to mention that historically, other professions do have it easier in terms of having an easier time obtaining a build that works for their play style and that is not terrible in terms of overall combat, whereas rangers have always suffered from this lack of balance. It’s even extended to the point where players from other professions look down on rangers, for their own personal negative experience with ranger players… and I could go on about all that jazz.

The truth is that rangers are strong, difficult to master and not 100% balanced. It takes a player who likes to play as a ranger to obtain its full potential. You will often find these rangers eating thieves alive in all aspects of wvw and pvp, kiting the life out of hammer warriors and face palming themselves whenever a poorly played ranger gets taken out.

So why all the hate? More than anything it’s in the people who play, it’s in the lack of compared balance in ranger profession and it’s in the history of much wider balance gaps. Players need to realize that if you do not like to play as a ranger then don’t, if you do like it and are struggling then get help, if you are trying hard and are failing then that’s really your own skill lacking there. If it’s a ranger specific issue then post the issue like a million times on the profession balance issues and one day the devs will care to fix it… but for now work around it.

Back in the old days good rangers were rare due to the high skill-ceiling of the class.

Nowadays it’s more or less to know where to put the RezzSpirit, interrupt/support rezzes with the pet and press 1. Besides that you can spam evades all over the place. So competitive . . .

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Back in the old days good rangers were rare due to the high skill-ceiling of the class.

Nowadays it’s more or less to know where to put the RezzSpirit, interrupt/support rezzes with the pet and press 1. Besides that you can spam evades all over the place. So competitive . . .

In that sense then you can compare it to any other player from another profession who has a solid build… then it falls in the area of ‘I don’t know what I am doing but #1 for the win!"… that’s not the center point of why people hate on rangers.

awge.3852:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Back in the old days good rangers were rare due to the high skill-ceiling of the class.

Nowadays it’s more or less to know where to put the RezzSpirit, interrupt/support rezzes with the pet and press 1. Besides that you can spam evades all over the place. So competitive . . .

In that sense then you can compare it to any other player from another profession who has a solid build… then it falls in the area of ‘I don’t know what I am doing but #1 for the win!"… that’s not the center point of why people hate on rangers.

It’s the source of cheesy builds, that don’t need much practice and skill to be effective. So it’s one of the central issues why people hate this class. Same reason ppl hate Warriors nowadays, because of the Healing-Signet, aka “I can make so many faults and still survive”.

Overall: Spam, passive abilities and AI

awge.3852:

In that sense then you can compare it to any other player from another profession who has a solid build… then it falls in the area of ‘I don’t know what I am doing but #1 for the win!"… that’s not the center point of why people hate on rangers.

still, rangers are much more #1 than any other prof.

let’s see #1 heros:

• condi engies have #1 (grenades+IC), so I gues sthey should not taunt rangers;
• x3 turret engies should really keep quiet against rangers
• condi necros have strong scepter auto, but still they need to do something else too. say they would not outdps ranger with auto alone
• mm necros – should be quietest of all
• thieves – their auto is strong, and for them #3=#1. but they have to close gap. I guess they can taunt rangers with discretion
• warriors – they have a lot of spammy skills, hambow, or bow F1. I would not take war taunts if I was ranger
• guardians – I have only played bunker guard (staff+GS, staff+hammer), that wasn’t so spammy
• mesmers – well I thought these were legit, but then there is PU, so I guess as a prof they should keep quiet too
• rangers – i have only played power ranger (lb+gs) and it wasn’t that spammy unless enemy was newbie. but i played spirit ranger for 15minutes and couldn’t stand it. if i was power ranger, i would complain about spirit ranger.

changing my vote: overall – not too bad for rangers, other profs are not much better.

Too many people play the ranger how they want to rather than playing to the class’ strengths. If you play “archer” and don’t manage your pet then you will be punished. If you run full zerk LB/GS ranger in sPvP… kill yourself. The hate stems from ignorance. The ranger certainly has its flaws but I see the same posts you do and it’s never constructive. Usually just angry QQ because their bad build is bad.

It sucks when after the Ranger CDI, the following balance changes are well packaged nerfs.

Sucks that we HAVE to homepoint or farpoint all game because our teamfight tools are pitiful compared to other classes. ANY class can take their teamfight build and give a duel spec ranger a serious run for their money. Ranger teamfight consists of power or shortbow spirits, both dumpy in 1v1 and underwhelming in team fights.

Sucks how every redeeming thing rangers have is canned.
10 point ele trait – Vigor on crit with 5s cooldown.
10 point engie trait – Vigor on speed 5s cooldown.
Other classes are given perma vigor while ranger’s 50% boost is nerfed to 25% because “too much endurance”

It is hypocritical balancing against other classes that really just kittenes me off. Nerf spirits/pet dmg but buff turrets and mm. Flame trap vs engie, vipers nest, pet dmg, warhorn skills, sword lockdown, signets, shouts, etc… Nearly everything our class has is just a trash version of another classes skill.

Yet somehow some person manages a build that doesn’t roll over and die against teamfight specs and anet jumps in to nerf it smiter’s boon style while buffing another classes identical mechanic past the ranger’s starting point.

Ryan.9387:

Sucks how every redeeming thing rangers have is canned.
10 point ele trait – Vigor on crit with 5s cooldown.
10 point engie trait – Vigor on speed 5s cooldown.
Other classes are given perma vigor while ranger’s 50% boost is nerfed to 25% because “too much endurance”

Haha yeah. And It’s even more comedy gold when we consider the Ranger’s 2 point trait “Primal Reflexes.” Apparently the risk for being crit isn’t as big as dealing a crit to Anet.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

Ryan.9387:

Sucks how every redeeming thing rangers have is canned.
10 point ele trait – Vigor on crit with 5s cooldown.
10 point engie trait – Vigor on speed 5s cooldown.
Other classes are given perma vigor while ranger’s 50% boost is nerfed to 25% because “too much endurance”

Haha yeah. And It’s even more comedy gold when we consider the Ranger’s 2 point trait “Primal Reflexes.” Apparently the risk for being crit isn’t as big as dealing a crit to Anet.

Primal Reflexes
Lightning Return
Vigorous swap (AOE)
Vigorous Heal (AOE)
+ passive trait

Ranger vigor uptime – it is far from “poor”. If anything it is very strong. However it is WAY less “passive” then other professions. We have to do something, even if it is something you would normally do, to gain vigor. We cannot just spam AA to get it.

I can argue that warrior, thief and necro are just as brainless as a spirit ranger. Am I rite?

Prysin.8542:

DiamondMeteor.8345:

Ryan.9387:

Sucks how every redeeming thing rangers have is canned.
10 point ele trait – Vigor on crit with 5s cooldown.
10 point engie trait – Vigor on speed 5s cooldown.
Other classes are given perma vigor while ranger’s 50% boost is nerfed to 25% because “too much endurance”

Haha yeah. And It’s even more comedy gold when we consider the Ranger’s 2 point trait “Primal Reflexes.” Apparently the risk for being crit isn’t as big as dealing a crit to Anet.

Primal Reflexes
Lightning Return
Vigorous swap (AOE)
Vigorous Heal (AOE)
+ passive trait

Ranger vigor uptime – it is far from “poor”. If anything it is very strong. However it is WAY less “passive” then other professions. We have to do something, even if it is something you would normally do, to gain vigor. We cannot just spam AA to get it.

So it makes sense that we need to trait
1) primal reflexes (5s/15)
2) vigorous swap (5s/16)
3) vigorous heal (5s/25 or 5s/30)
AND
4) Lightning reflexes (10s/40)

To get the SAME vigor uptime as ele in 10 points???
ele – 10 trait points
ranger – 40 trait points + one utility skill

It’s about time that Rangers got sorted out and buffed BIG time with some SERIOUS dps improvements to BOW!

Ranger is meant to be a RANGED class, not melee. Yet we’re forced into melee coz it’s the only viable DPS.

You are forced to SWORD in PvE as it is the only viable DPS. You are forced to CONDI BUNKER in PvP because power rangers do not exist.

Chokolata.1870:

You are forced to SWORD in PvE as it is the only viable DPS. You are forced to CONDI BUNKER in PvP because power rangers do not exist.

Of course they do.

gesho.9468:

awge.3852:

In that sense then you can compare it to any other player from another profession who has a solid build… then it falls in the area of ‘I don’t know what I am doing but #1 for the win!"… that’s not the center point of why people hate on rangers.

still, rangers are much more #1 than any other prof.

let’s see #1 heros:

• condi engies have #1 (grenades+IC), so I gues sthey should not taunt rangers;
• x3 turret engies should really keep quiet against rangers
• condi necros have strong scepter auto, but still they need to do something else too. say they would not outdps ranger with auto alone
• mm necros – should be quietest of all
• thieves – their auto is strong, and for them #3=#1. but they have to close gap. I guess they can taunt rangers with discretion
• warriors – they have a lot of spammy skills, hambow, or bow F1. I would not take war taunts if I was ranger
• guardians – I have only played bunker guard (staff+GS, staff+hammer), that wasn’t so spammy
• mesmers – well I thought these were legit, but then there is PU, so I guess as a prof they should keep quiet too
• rangers – i have only played power ranger (lb+gs) and it wasn’t that spammy unless enemy was newbie. but i played spirit ranger for 15minutes and couldn’t stand it. if i was power ranger, i would complain about spirit ranger.

changing my vote: overall – not too bad for rangers, other profs are not much better.

Staff-Gs Bunker guard wtf? Staff-Hammer it’s just meh…maybe on khylo…maybe..

From around 1700+ tournaments on mesmer pow’s keep in mind PU mesmers are only good for pve/wvsw and maybe trolling nabs in hotjoin but they’re just worthless in tpvp, they can do pretty much nothing…they can’t kill ppl with half brain, you can just ignore them and decap+fullcap their point while they’re still waiting for you attacking their clones, they usually run with no portal and portal is the main reason why teams run mesmer along with boonstrip…and guess what, PU doesn’t usually have boon stripping too..

Having a PU mesmer in team in tpvp it’s pretty much equal to one guy afking in base, maybe worse cause at least afkers won’t die giving points away..

They only viable tpvp mesmer is shatter and it’s way far from being easy to play (Expec if you’re running zerk amulet…as you should)

Rentapest.6503:

It’s about time that Rangers got sorted out and buffed BIG time with some SERIOUS dps improvements to BOW!

Ranger is meant to be a RANGED class, not melee. Yet we’re forced into melee coz it’s the only viable DPS.

sorry but you are WRONG. Because the whole “unparrallelled archers” thing IS A BUNCH OF BOGUS. Because the WHOLE GAME is revolving around melee doing the MOST damage, and ranged being an OPTION.

Ranger ranged DPS is end of the highest single target ranged DPS you can get. Ele holds the highest multi target DPS in the game.

What rangers need is group utility that does not go at the expense of the ranger itself. Rangers need a major spring cleaning of the trait trees. Merging and or implementation of traits as “basic default functions” of old redundant and irrelevant traits. last but not least, rangers need a overhaul of the F2 system (before the F# functions are revised entirely too), current pet F2’s have far too high CD’s in comparison to effect and their hit percentage.