Guild Wars 2

heres how to fix it and many other queuing problems – make 2 queues

Official Maps
Unofficial Maps

/you’re welcome

Or just add an option to queue for both. As much as I hate getting stupid maps like courtyard or skyhammer I’ll take the chance for a shorter queue time.

Superform.1067:

heres how to fix it and many other queuing problems – make 2 queues

Official Maps
Unofficial Maps

/you’re welcome

There is a fear to join ranked queue?
Well actually it would be good if this was an valid statement for then we will get less people who dont know what they are doing and more that do.

Centurion.7296:

There is a fear to join ranked queue?
Well actually it would be good if this was an valid statement for then we will get less people who dont know what they are doing and more that do.

The main logic flaw with your reasoning is that by making 2 queues you limit the player pool and thus get crappier players in your teams. The best way to do it is trust the mmr system to queue you with other players of similar skill/experience – the best way to do this is have a larger player pool to choose from

A lot of people I know refuse to play Ranked because of the attitude most players have. The whole “you play our way or gtfo” mentality. The gtfo part being a very very very mild version of what is actually said in Team Chat. Usually with a lot of death threats, sexual comments, and hate speech.

Granted they can turn team chat off, but still.

There’s no real incentive for ordinary players to queue in ranked. It offers the same progression but with fewer maps and worse attitudes.

No, thank you.

I dont join solo ranked because I guess even not playing for two years I’m still considered the greatest player NA and am constantly put against full groups or close to it.

Unranked is faster queues.

The only time I join ranked is when I’m in the mood to face slightly better players.

I kitten hate Foefire with all my life force(no pun intended), I hate seeing it as my favorite map, I hate that 1 vote wonder that put me in it,I hate seeing as a choice.

Sometimes ranked is better than unranked sometimes worse in players specs,attitude and experience.

Simple solution.
Separate pre-made and solo que……

Wolfey.3407:

A lot of people I know refuse to play Ranked because of the attitude most players have. The whole “you play our way or gtfo” mentality. The gtfo part being a very very very mild version of what is actually said in Team Chat. Usually with a lot of death threats, sexual comments, and hate speech.

Granted they can turn team chat off, but still.

Just today, after more than 6000 games, I got randomly jumped on by an underage player (who is arguably very good) for ‘sucking’ and not rezzing him.

I then went on a TS to talk to him about that, I think I’m at least couple of years older than him, so I have a much greater perspective on things, other priorities in life and other approach to the game.

I tried to tell him, that first of all, he shouldn’t act like a kitten towards other soloq players. Then I pointed out that I play a non-meta build and I play for fun and that him taking a random soloq so seriously is just weird, especially outside of the PvP season.

I got countered by an argument that I should be playing unranked if I play for fun and when I tried to explain to him that I find unranked too easy he said something about me being matched with him is just because the MMR matchmaking sucks (implying that I’m the infamous low MMR addition to a high MMR 4-queue).

Long story short: long time experienced competitive casual player gets attacked by an underage newcommer competitive player for playing a non-meta build in Ranked queue, which obviously must mean that I’m bad (also because I never played ESL) and should go play unranked.

It was just so out of place because 1) we were winning, 2) there is no season running right now and 3) I did arguably nothing wrong considering it’s just a soloq.

What I think the problem really is, is the difference of approaches me and some hardcore players have, They obviously spend substantial chunks of their lives in the game so they may feel entitled, but I paid just as much for the game and have the every right to play how I want and what I want.

How to fix it? Outside of the usual ‘get a life’ and ‘grow up’ arguments I say maybe a separation with leagues of those extremelly serious players from the casual/working/studying playerbase?

I think it is connected to what you wrote.

Ranked players take things to seriously. First match on ranked my team lost and one of my teammates said “Never queue again.” I didn’t listen but it doesn’t make his/her attitude less crappy. I get my reward paths done even faster in unranked with less backlash. I only do ranked with guildmates.

I am not scared of playing Ranked, but like many others I don’t like the attitudes of some ppl that play Ranked. Also I am not (and will never be) a top player, I am a casual gamer and play for fun. I always try to win, but don’t lose my marbles if I don’t

Admittedly you get ragers in Unranked as well but I find it more accepting of casuals than Ranked is.

Just my opinion from what I have experienced in game

You only get progression towards champion titles (ie champion illusionist) from ranked arena right?

nearlight.3064:

You only get progression towards champion titles (ie champion illusionist) from ranked arena right?

Nope. Got most of mine from unranked. Ranked is like a salt mine.

The fact that you think it is fear that is keeping people away from rank is a sad kind of funny.

As things stand right now there isn’t enough encentive to make putting up with the general ranked player-base. So either they have to bribe people to put up with them (to shorten queue) or the ranked population as a whole needs to take a step back and look at how their interactions are effecting the health of a game that they enjoy. If they then can not stand not falling back on negative action then they have to learn to except longer queues and/or worse match ups.

I’ll tell you why I don’t play ranked. I don’t see the point. Queueing ranked I’ll get 8 to 10 minute queues whereas it’s half of that in unranked, and when I play solo or with my team/people I know we want to play games, not wait around for ANET to find the 10 players online at that time who have similar MMR.

Also some people get upset too easily which is fine and dandy, but I wouldn’t say people are toxic. I play troll builds occasionally because they are fun and I happily engage in arguments with people telling me to play meta to “get gud lik them”. When I want competition I have the ESL cups, if I’m queueing unranked I’m probably having a good time on Teamspeak with my buds.

i dont queue up for ranked because of elitists. they see me on my mes, they will be already calling me names and tell me off. play meta or go away. thats how it is. and honestly i prefer enjoying my pvp than having to block 5-10 people a day just so they stop yelling at me for not playing the way THEY want me to.

I like playing ranked on professions I know well, with meta or semi-meta builds, because the overall level is better.

Unranked is a place to experiment with (not too) weird builds and to have some casual fun. No need to swap professions if you are stacking, no need to discuss an opening strategy if you don’t really feel like it, and overall less flaming. You encounter the occasional rager, but it is overall a better experience if you queue solo.

In addition, it is nice to not play Foefire or Niflhel every game. If I want a pleasant Khylo game, I go to unranked.

choovanski.5462:

Ranked is like a salt mine.

I need your authorization to quote this expression in the future.

I did a lot of unranked, for practice, to learn, and I was a little affraid to go ranked at first. But when I got into it I continued to learn from my mistakes, from criticism, may they be constructive or not, I refined my build, improved my gameplay and teamplay, I just ignored insults, blaming and stuff, like the people who blame others never do anything wrong… Once you accept humbly your mistakes and treat your team as kindly as you would like them to treat you, you’ll find that it’s not all that bad.

selan.8354:

i dont queue up for ranked because of elitists. they see me on my mes, they will be already calling me names and tell me off. play meta or go away. thats how it is. and honestly i prefer enjoying my pvp than having to block 5-10 people a day just so they stop yelling at me for not playing the way THEY want me to.

never saw anyone bash on anyone else purely cuz of profession… Was it a one off or a constant occurence? Best thing you can do is ignore. “:)” or “lol”

MAN.9046:

Best thing you can do is ignore. “:)” or “lol”

I usually keep a Packet of Salt in my inventory to ping in cases like this.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Packet_of_Salt

I don’t do ranked cause of 24/7 premades farming solo players.

Sure, I get teams in unranked too, but quite rarely and they are usually just PUG groups from same guild.

i play fun builds, so it sucks either way,
either i play unranked and risk people picking Suckhammer and Campyard,
or i play ranked and get yelled at by the meta clones for not assimilating.

Isslair.4908:

I don’t do ranked cause of 24/7 premades farming solo players.

Sure, I get teams in unranked too, but quite rarely and they are usually just PUG groups from same guild.

The vast majority of teams i come up against are pugs… Dunno why everyone feels that premades are that common.Just because you get rekt 500-80 or find yourself in a 1v2/3 constantly doesn’t mean it’s a premade. I was in a pug vs pug yesterday and we won 500-100ish. The guys on the losing team called us out as premades eventhough we weren’t

MAN.9046:

The guys on the losing team called us out as premades eventhough we weren’t

I call it premades when I see one guild tag or an actual competitive team, not based on some score speculations.

Just because you get rekt 500-80 or find yourself in a 1v2/3 constantly doesn’t mean it’s a premade.

Please, don’t project your own pvp experience on everyone.

Isslair.4908:

MAN.9046:

The guys on the losing team called us out as premades eventhough we weren’t

I call it premades when I see one guild tag or an actual competitive team, not based on some score speculations.

Just because you get rekt 500-80 or find yourself in a 1v2/3 constantly doesn’t mean it’s a premade.

Please, don’t project your own pvp experience on everyone.

It is true however, that many (if not all) of us have been in the situation, described by MAN, of being called a premade when in a full solo team. It is also true that in the first weeks after the December patch, when the devs were answering the threads complaining about the whole “solo-vs-premade” issue, the OP ended up being proved wrong by John Davis every single time.

It is not difficult to believe that people would blame anything instead of admitting they could have played better. It is a very, very plausible hypothesis that many people are under the impression of being against a premade, comforted only by their ego. And yet you think this is a particular case?

I mostly soloq, going against premades is quite rare. We won against a full premade one time though, it was tight, we lost the first minutes but we managed to come back though. We might have been lucky since they were pretty decent but I think individual skills and experience did matter too. Overall, i think we read the game better and got a better map coverage.

I’m more scared of unranked since most teammates either seem confused there or I get a lot more tryhard premades trying to farm. Ranked gives better matches and better maps imo.

I quit playing ranked because oftentimes I dont have a 5 man premade, and if I have won several times in the recent past the matchmaking system sees fit to put me together with complete beginners.

Also the whole pre-made argument. I think it must be down to different comps and MMR ratings of players, because 80% of the pre-mades I come across are just a group of friends or a PvE guild trying out some PvP and they still get rekt. It’s sad but I only really come across true pre-mades when I’m in a group anyway, and then it doesn’t matter as much.

Benjamin.8237:

Also the whole pre-made argument. I think it must be down to different comps and MMR ratings of players, because 80% of the pre-mades I come across are just a group of friends or a PvE guild trying out some PvP and they still get rekt. It’s sad but I only really come across true pre-mades when I’m in a group anyway, and then it doesn’t matter as much.

Same here. I only face premades when I trio queue (sometimes duo), and then it is rather balanced. I would say I win around 50% of my games against full guild premades.

edit: oh, and my premade of IRL friends will kick your kitten :p

selan.8354:

i dont queue up for ranked because of elitists. they see me on my mes, they will be already calling me names and tell me off. play meta or go away. thats how it is. and honestly i prefer enjoying my pvp than having to block 5-10 people a day just so they stop yelling at me for not playing the way THEY want me to.

Good news! The team with a mes destroyed Orange Logo this time around in ToL.

smug.3895:

selan.8354:

i dont queue up for ranked because of elitists. they see me on my mes, they will be already calling me names and tell me off. play meta or go away. thats how it is. and honestly i prefer enjoying my pvp than having to block 5-10 people a day just so they stop yelling at me for not playing the way THEY want me to.

Good news! The team with a mes destroyed Orange Logo this time around in ToL.

I am pretty sure that selan is not Misha. And I wouldn’t use the word “destroyed”: it was a 3-1, with some close games.

But yeah, having a mesmer on your team is not a handicap, if you are attentive to where the Portal is.

It isn’t a ‘fear’ of ranked. It is the Q times. Unranked Q is much shorter. The gap between the Q’s gets bigger and bigger due to the fact that everyone sees this and more switch over to unranked. A Q for both option would be great and I am sure most would do it. It will pop for whichever one find a match faster for you. I Q ranked usually to start and after a couple 6-10 minute Q’s I switch over to get 3-4 min Q’s. Eventually you get tired of waiting around all the time.

Even though I tend to Q unranked more and more due to the wait, I am more ‘scared’ of unranked. In there you get more daily heros, more people that do not know what they are doing and people trying out ‘new’ useless builds. It is much more frustrating to play, but a fair compromise for the Q time….I guess….

Make a Q for both option and I will be happy

Sorel.4870:

choovanski.5462:

Ranked is like a salt mine.

I need your authorization to quote this expression in the future.

It’s only the truth. Ranked even gets salty about old condi builds. So salty, so not worth unless you have 4+ people in TS.

People are scared of playing rank? That’s news to me. It seems to me that complete beginners queue for rated all the time. Ranked may be a salt mine but unranked is a bunch of uber noobs in my experience that make the bads infesting rank look like pros. See how you play that game? It’s called generalizing. That being said if you are not competitive and can’t deal with criticism (although ignore is your friend and I’ve never noticed scintillating conversations in unranked either) don’t queue for ranked you will be doing everyone, including yourself, a favor.

brannigan.9831:

People are scared of playing rank? That’s news to me. It seems to me that complete beginners queue for rated all the time. Ranked may be a salt mine but unranked is a bunch of uber noobs in my experience that make the bads infesting rank look like pros. See how you play that game? It’s called generalizing. That being said if you are not competitive and can’t deal with criticism (although ignore is your friend and I’ve never noticed scintillating conversations in unranked either) don’t queue for ranked you will be doing everyone, including yourself, a favor.

All the people I’ve found who get salty and afk in spawn were in ranked. I play both, and the main difference seems to be people’s egos. Most people I meet in pvp are weak players anyhow.

It’s not fear, but salty people can be really trying, as can noobs. It’s a lose lose in a way.

choovanski.5462:

Most people I meet in pvp are weak players anyhow.

How is that possible? Are you the best player in your time zone? Do you always queue with four new players in your party? It seems like you should sometimes be matched against better players. Are you sure you don’t have a “ranked” type ego?

I play one game, per day, for dailies, in unranked. It’s the only reason I enter PvP.

Even at this rate, I find my skills have improved a lot in the game mode.

So, I came to the forum today to see what benefit there would be to moving up to Ranked, other than the opportunity to never see Courtyard again.

This thread has given me the answer:

Nothing. Stay in unranked.

I’ll leave ranked to the people who are serious about PvP.

I don’t like Dumbhammer map so I play ranked. Couldn’t care less if people flame. On that note I think that flaming is very rare and much tamer in this game than in say, Dota2 or LoL. Having something worse to relate to makes it easier to cope with any toxicity that happens in ranked here.

Sorel.4870:

choovanski.5462:

Most people I meet in pvp are weak players anyhow.

How is that possible? Are you the best player in your time zone? Do you always queue with four new players in your party? It seems like you should sometimes be matched against better players. Are you sure you don’t have a “ranked” type ego?

I’m not a god, just most people I meet in pvp don’t give me a lot of trouble 1v1. average player is bad from what I’ve seen. Very rare to find someone worth warbannering.

Why would I play Ranked without a team against pre-made groups? As a Necro, it’s simply no fun. And because there’s no reward for such chore, I don’t bother anymore.

Unranked offers less tryhard people and bonus maps (not perfect, but after 3 years on same 3 maps, welcome any change).
Not like Leaderboards are even relevant, so I will gladly take unranked.

Or simply stop PvPing apart from occassional guild events and 1v1 funsie server.

Honestly, I don’t like queuing for ranked because whenever I do, I get the floor cleaned with my face. The ranked Que doesn’t live up to its name. I always get pitted against people with Dragon rank who are much better than me. If they actually put me in matches only against people of my same rank, I might Que for it more

1. I suck at pvp

2. I cant stand the attitude that competition brings out from people

3. I suck at pvp

1. Premades with full teamspeak in the same que as solo q is stupid
2. classes are not even close to balanced from the standpoint of pvp. Guards, warriors, thieves, eles, and engies have combinations of blocks, evades, invulnerabilities, mobility, stealth, condi clears, group condi clears, group heals, which is why they are meta and practically on every team in tournaments and on practically most premades. There is a reason. Anet is blind to this reason and has been for 3 years.
3. How can a game compete, with the same 5 (+ the occasional mesmer) over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. After 1 month of pvp, IT GETS BORING AS HELLLLLLLLL!. I despise this pvp system, the same maps, the same classes reigning supreme. Until these devs figure this out, this will never advance beyond some tournaments every now and again. And the frequency of tournaments will depend on an influx of new players who will have to learn all over again that the system depends on 5 classes who are meta and have been for awhile now. After they learn that, and get tired of the inane repetition, they will move on, and a new influx of people will come to replace them, only to have to relearn this BS all over again.

Major point: ANET DOES NOT CARE, it still makes money. hahahha.

business model > fan base

I queue ranked because every once in a while you get queued with amazing players and that is really fun. I am pretty sure I got put into a game with Phantaram today. I think I expressed concern when he said he was starting far on foefire because we would be -1 on mid, before realizing who he was. Whoops! Regardless, he was very nice and the game went really well. The really good ranked players are actually very nice. It’s the wannabes that are nasty.

Gryph.8237:

1. Premades with full teamspeak in the same que as solo q is stupid
2. classes are not even close to balanced from the standpoint of pvp. Guards, warriors, thieves, eles, and engies have combinations of blocks, evades, invulnerabilities, mobility, stealth, condi clears, group condi clears, group heals, which is why they are meta and practically on every team in tournaments and on practically most premades. There is a reason. Anet is blind to this reason and has been for 3 years.
3. How can a game compete, with the same 5 (+ the occasional mesmer) over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. After 1 month of pvp, IT GETS BORING AS HELLLLLLLLL!. I despise this pvp system, the same maps, the same classes reigning supreme. Until these devs figure this out, this will never advance beyond some tournaments every now and again. And the frequency of tournaments will depend on an influx of new players who will have to learn all over again that the system depends on 5 classes who are meta and have been for awhile now. After they learn that, and get tired of the inane repetition, they will move on, and a new influx of people will come to replace them, only to have to relearn this BS all over again.

Major point: ANET DOES NOT CARE, it still makes money. hahahha.

business model > fan base

Same 5 classes? So what about the Warr Ranger Necro meta we had, that sounds quite a bit different to the current one. Metas change over time.

Played Ranked a bunch and what’s the point? Not like it is any better. Just played a match where someone quit 1 minute into the match and left us with a 4v5. Not like the players in them are of any better quality, in fact most are worse quality.