Guild Wars 2

is it the necro engi meta? or is it the fact that with 11k health tey have to weaken their dps just to survive a single hit/

Use marauders to get 17k hps

What… thief weak? Please explain in detail SiiR!!

Well Anet been nerfing thief class non stop for 3 years under moronic excuse of +1 role (even tho past june mesmers and after HOT revs filled that role as good while maintaining great survivability and ability to team fight).

Meanwhile engis/scrappers got gold spooned with each patch, probably because of Grouch.

HoT didn’t do thieves any good, a lot of passives, brainless aoe and more condi spam got added. Thief can’t handle any of those well. Then some dev had the “bright” idea also to give classes that already hardcountered thief revealed on 20 sec CD /facepalm

Unless revs and scrappers get some hefty nerfs thieves will remain meh.

If thieves feel weak to you, then imagine what the warriors are going through….

There are very good and dangerous players out there that playing warrior or thief at sapphire/ruby. It’s a lot about if someone skilled or don’t have skill for the class/game.

Rolisteel.1375:

There are very good and dangerous players out there that playing warrior or thief at sapphire/ruby. It’s a lot about if someone skilled or don’t have skill for the class/game.

Given same skill level no scrapper or rev should lose to thief/war.

Maybe its true but the classes you have mentioned are having insane survivability and defense against warr and thief

Rolisteel.1375:

Maybe its true but the classes you have mentioned are having insane survivability and defense against all classes

fix’d

Cynz.9437:

Rolisteel.1375:

There are very good and dangerous players out there that playing warrior or thief at sapphire/ruby. It’s a lot about if someone skilled or don’t have skill for the class/game.

Given same skill level no scrapper or rev should lose to thief/war.

Yep except if player playing rev or scrapper has no skill the thief or warrior still has to try twice as hard as them.

Cynz.9437:

Rolisteel.1375:

Maybe its true but the classes you have mentioned are having insane survivability and defense against all classes

fix’d

thanks :p

All damage is on AA with thief expected to spend all initiative on defense and gap closers.

If damage was moved from AA to initiative abilities and defense abilities were buffed then thief would have a place by being to able shift their tactics on the fly. Out of combat stealth needs to be easier. Thief needs more blinds, evades, and endurance refill mechanics less hard CC.

Marthkus.4615:

All damage is on AA with thief expected to spend all initiative on defense and gap closers.

If damage was moved from AA to initiative abilities and defense abilities were buffed then thief would have a place by being to able shift their tactics on the fly. Out of combat stealth needs to be easier. Thief needs more blinds, evades, and endurance refill mechanics less hard CC.

Thief doesn’t need massive buffs. They need to nerf scrappers and revs. I honestly don’t understand why Anet is so obsessed with adding more and more hardcounters to thieves.

Thief isn’t bad. Revenant is heavily overshadowing Thief if you can stack them.

The idea behind it is that Revenant has less free mobility ( just as good chasing power tho ) in exchange for way more in fight survability ( protection access, Glint heal, sword 3 to do damage without risks, Shiro riposting shadows being the best skill in the game )

And currently having enough survability to fight a bit is way more useful than an excess in mobility, because you have to fight scrappers and/or be under the effect of aoe crap from necros and tempests.

Marthkus.4615:

Thief needs more blinds, evades, and endurance refill mechanics

Well, Im not sure about that one :p

Thanks i’ll try marauding runes for the hp buff.
but even that. everything they should be masters of is outclassed by the other classes. stealth – engies last significantly longer
traps – there 2×5 square pales in comparion to the 10×10 square of a herald. even the damage is significantly greater with the offensive traps comparison.
conditions – masters of poison, (and bleed) but melts te second were hit because of vast situation cleanse compared to – necro/revenants/warriors/everyone else.
burst dps, great, once the 3-5 second cool down on stealth wears off and you can do your big damage again.
masters of evade. and that about the only thing we do better at the mo.

Cynz.9437:

Meanwhile engis/scrappers got gold spooned with each patch, probably because of Grouch…

Engi was probably the most nerfed class for the first 12-14 months, not that it matters, because most people should be able to work out that logically classes getting more nerfs or not is irrelevant, what counts is the end result, but I guess that doesn’t fit into your thief victim complex fantasy.

Just as for most of the game thief being perma meta, being the strongest solo carry in the game and having some of the most broken builds the game has ever seen (s/d thief at its peak was hilariously broken) doesn’t fit either.

It’s not that thief is weak… the other classes are just overpowered

zinkz.7045:

Cynz.9437:

Meanwhile engis/scrappers got gold spooned with each patch, probably because of Grouch…

Engi was probably the most nerfed class for the first 12-14 months, not that it matters, because most people should be able to work out that logically classes getting more nerfs or not is irrelevant, what counts is the end result, but I guess that doesn’t fit into your thief victim complex fantasy.

Just as for most of the game thief being perma meta, being the strongest solo carry in the game and having some of the most broken builds the game has ever seen (s/d thief at its peak was hilariously broken) doesn’t fit either.

Sssuuureee that is why people throw tantrum when they get more than 1 thief on team.

End result is: scrapper is stupidly broken right now. Period.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

If thieves feel weak to you, then imagine what the warriors are going through….

Thieves are fine