Trahearne Feels Like a Mary Sue.

Trahearne Feels Like a Mary Sue.

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Posted by: Talloc.6835

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I want to preface this by saying that I neither expect or really want anything within the personal story to change. To do so would cause a reworking of a major part of the game when there are far too many more important aspects that require attention. These are my opinions and, as a fan of writing and especially character developments, I simply felt like sharing them.

That being said, Trahearne feels as though he is someone’s D&D character that managed to leak in to the story at some point. While I understand the desire to not have every player running around be The Chosen One, I feel that Trahearne was given far too much importance within the story to the point of the suspension of disbelief being broken along with managing to make characters that had been important before seem like meat shields from that point on. Simply put, Trahearne was elevated to a status that was practically messianic for no real reason.

My first character being a Sylvari, I was “introduced” to Trahearne at a very early point within the story. At that point he was presented as a valuable researcher of Orr, the bona fide expert on the subject, but there was no indication of what was in store for his character roughly ~30 levels later. In fact, it is really not until after Claw Island that my issues with Trahearne really begin to surface.

After Claw Island is overrun by the undead, your character and Trahearne visit the Pale Tree to enter The Dream and see visions of what may happen in the future. I feel this segment of the story could have come during a later point in the story, namely when there isn’t a dragon chewing on some Asura in Lion’s Arch, but I digress. During your stay within The Dream, it is revealed that Trahearne will become a great general and lead united forced against Zhaitan’s army. This in its self is not too offensive as The Dream is able to impart wisdom and knowledge on any Sylvari it chooses.

What follows your journey in to The Dream is a sequence of events in which players are told, yet not shown why, that many lead characters within the story revere Trahearne. As the three factions gather in Lion’s Arch to discuss the best strategy, Trahearne convinces every single member to unite with hardly any second guessing or argument. Much of this is due to the immense respect that each faction leader has for Trahearne.

After Claw Island is retaken, the three factions agree to join as one force, The Pact, which is ruled by Trahearne. Again, hardly any discussion was given by leaders of the three factions. They suddenly set aside all of their differences because Trahearne wanted them to. Even Moses, Jesus Christ, and Muhammad, the prophets of the three Abrahamic faiths, were well in to their middle or late years before they began to inspire enough loyal followers to become significant. Players are expected to believe that Trahearne is fit to lead these forces simply because they are told so. This ruins what depth or arc Trahearne may have been given up to this point.

On the subject of being told yet not shown, it seems that every denizen of Tyria is in debt to Trahearne for one reason or another. Characters are introduced for one mission simply to stand in awe of him and are never seen again once the mission is completed. Even more annoying, often times these reasons are not even given. The worst offender is the introduction of a character from an entirely new race I was not even aware existed up to this point. Despite this character’s race being insular and aloof of other races, this woman has such great respect for Trahearne that she agrees to help you destroy some of Zhaitan’s most vital minions. To reiterate, we are introduced to an entirely new race simply to make Trahearne seem even more important. This is the kind of writing one would expect from a middle schooler, not someone who I assume to be a professional with a degree.

While I would like to discuss the deus ex machinas employed by Trahearne near the end of the story, I must confess that I did not complete it. I was only able to see one such instance. In the mission right after killing the Eye of Zhaitan, a new form of magic that had never before been mentioned is used to reveal what The Eye saw. While the details I hazy, I distinctly remember Trahearne being a master of this newly revealted type of magic for no real reason other than to once again take the spotlight from the supporting characters.

In closing, I will leave you with the Wikipedia explanation of a Mary Sue. The proxy character of an author, a Mary Sue is often too underdeveloped while still being the personification of perfection. This type of character easily distances an audience from a character; there is simply nothing to relate to. To I believe that a writer at Anet is living vicariously through Trahearne? Eh, mostly not. Do I believe that Trahearne is shallow, unnecessary, and a detriment to the overall story? I absolutely do.

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Posted by: Talloc.6835

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TLDR: I like writing essays about schlock at 4am. Sorry for the atrocious layout. It’s hard to format on the forums and my edits don’t want to go through.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

I disagree. I would say the player character, up to a point, is more Mary Sue than Trahearne. Start by looking at the fact they do not have an option of failure in their entire storyline, save for Claw Island (and even then, it was out of their hands). Add in the early “you are the only sane or useful one around here” feeling a few races have going for them (especially human and asura). And everyone, even Destiny’s Edge, accepts you unless they’re secretly/openly evil.

Now start counting the flaws shown in your character by the game itself.

Trahearne is flawed in execution, but that’s really a problem of the storyline rushing through events rather than taking time to develop things. Again, think back through your own storyline and realize how quickly you got pulled through events. My Vigil warrior only had three missions to do as his first official outing as a Crusader. My Order member had more than that dealing with a Krytan internal matter (which, notably, disappeared off the radar really fast as Zhaitan made a move on Lion’s Arch and then the Chantry).

I’d start refuting your details, but really, I can point out three things:

- During most of the invasion of Orr, the Pact forces follow his orders, but are well aware you are as important (if not more) to the war effort.

- Trahearne only drops into focus when the subject turns to how to deal with Orr and Zhaitan’s corruptive influence. For actual fighting, he tends to stay away from the lines and let others with more experience take point.

- The three orders do bicker, and do fight until the Battle of Fort Trinity when it becomes clear Zhaitan is a big enough threat that they need to work together or fall separately. And they still espouse rivalries anyway during their stay in Orr.

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Posted by: PolawBew.2851

PolawBew.2851

personally, i’d rather follow Rytlock or even Thakeray into battle…. but a salad?….

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Posted by: Locney.9278

Locney.9278

SPOILER WARNING

I have to disagree on the player being a immune to failure. In fact, a few of the plotlines ,including an Asura one, seem to be about you making mistakes/cleaning up after your failures. Take the Infinity Ball plot for the asura. The whole thing is about you not listening to the advice of someone wiser and going ahead with a crazy plan for your own glory. And how does that end?


You summon an evil version of yourself, tearing a hole in space and time to which the effects can be felt throughout a few of the zones, namely the steamcreatures.

Seems the character is only as infallible as you make ‘em. Not a fault on the player’s part, though, since there’s not a lot of good ways they can warn us without ruining the story

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Posted by: Aurelian Omenkind.2470

Aurelian Omenkind.2470

Stories within games are designed and/or weighted to help you succeed in order to get to the end of the story. It would be far more difficult (not impossible) design-wise and much more rewarding to give the player an option to be a villain or a nobody. It would exponentially increase the scope of and work in crafting the game, though. KotOR did it very well, although they didn’t have to balance it for an MMO. (Sorry, I haven’t played SWTOR.)

Also, there are other large stories to be told in Tyria, and Trahearne may become only a bit player in those tales, if anything at all.

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Posted by: Crome.5316

Crome.5316

Mr. Salad(Trahearne) is one reason why I´m finished the story line just one time. Every other charakters story line was played until it reached Mr. Salad. At GW1 I could understand why I was following Rurik, Kormir,… . But in GW2: Hey here is the green guy from the new race. He is a somehow important leader so do what the salad says. Well he is as awesome as watching my washer doing the laundry. The hole game I was thinking: Trahearne leave me alone you fr!gg!n !d!ot, I do the things my way!

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Posted by: SirDrygan.1823

SirDrygan.1823

Trahearne has a plan to take over this region. Trust me, he has a plan. From the way he was able to summon FIVE minions during that so-called daring rescue at Timberline Falls, I already suspected Trahearne is out for power. He act as if he doesn’t want too, but then he goes on and make a name for himself out of my character’s expense! Another reason is he doesn’t help much during the whole campaign. Sigh…….

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Posted by: Churchwood.4627

Churchwood.4627

The impression I get is that Trahearne is respected due to the great deal of knowledge he has in regard to dealing with the undead. Because cleansing Orr is his Wyld Hunt, he was driven to research the subject as extensively as possible, making him the foremost authority in all of Tyria. In his travels, I imagine that he came into contact with a great many individuals, including Sayeh. I don’t think her entire race was introduced purely for his benefit, as I stumbled across other largos while exploring. Since I had already found them, it didn’t seem too out of the blue, as compared to what else I’ve been used to in RPG stories.

It’s true that the writing may not be perfect, but I think it’s fairly good for a MMO. The issue seems to be that a character like Trahearne would require so much time to adequately flesh out that doing so would cause the PS would drag on even longer than it already does.

As for why people follow him without fighting among each other, I also imagine that the prospect of facing total annihilation has something to do with it. Trahearne, knowing what he does, is honestly the most likely character for them to follow. He has the fewest outside allegiances, is the most knowledgeable, and has dedicated his entire life to cleansing Zhaitan’s corruption. In this instance, he is the most trustworthy.

Also, in regard to the mission that involves the Eye, Trahearne only has so much to do with that. Professor Gorr is the one who actually invented the technology that makes it possible.

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Posted by: Kichwas.7152

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He’s a bit of a Mary Sue – largely because unless you play a fig-tree he just comes out of nowhere at level 50 or so and is suddenly the most important thing since individually packaged sliced cheese.

Even if you do play a fig-tree, all that gives you is a chance to meet him early on and learn that he’s “Mr. Important and mysterious.”

You don’t see him evolve as a character, or even show a flaw. He’s a scholar one moment and a marshal the next – but that’s just kind of handed to him, and not through character growth.

The flaw I find in a lot of the characters in GW2 is that they put their stories on the website / wiki or whatever, and not in the game. Though with this guy, the story isn’t even on the website…

He’s just BATMAN. And we’ve got to deal with it.

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Posted by: Raestloz.7134

Raestloz.7134

He’s a bit of a Mary Sue – largely because unless you play a fig-tree he just comes out of nowhere at level 50 or so and is suddenly the most important thing since individually packaged sliced cheese.

Even if you do play a fig-tree, all that gives you is a chance to meet him early on and learn that he’s “Mr. Important and mysterious.”

You don’t see him evolve as a character, or even show a flaw. He’s a scholar one moment and a marshal the next – but that’s just kind of handed to him, and not through character growth.

The flaw I find in a lot of the characters in GW2 is that they put their stories on the website / wiki or whatever, and not in the game. Though with this guy, the story isn’t even on the website…

He’s just BATMAN. And we’ve got to deal with it.

I feel that Destiny’s Edge is much more suited to lead the Pact

Who had fought a dragon before? Not Trahearne
Who wield the legendary swords of Ascalon? Not Trahearne
Who actually battled their way to experience? Not Trahearne
Who joined together despite each of them being from separate race? Not Trahearne, obviously
Who has extensive, developed stories? Not Trahearne
Who suddenly got an Excalibur just because? Definitely Trahearne.

I mean, by the Six Gods and Abaddon below, we have so many heroes to choose from: Logan, Caithe, Eir, Rytlock, Zojja?

What about the Firstborns?
What about the High Legions?
What about the College Headmasters?
What about the Seraphs? The Lionguards?
What about the Vigil?
What about the Whispers?
What about the Priory?

Noooo…. it has to be this saladistic scholar here.

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Posted by: mercury ranique.2170

mercury ranique.2170

He’s a bit of a Mary Sue – largely because unless you play a fig-tree he just comes out of nowhere at level 50 or so and is suddenly the most important thing since individually packaged sliced cheese.

Even if you do play a fig-tree, all that gives you is a chance to meet him early on and learn that he’s “Mr. Important and mysterious.”

You don’t see him evolve as a character, or even show a flaw. He’s a scholar one moment and a marshal the next – but that’s just kind of handed to him, and not through character growth.

The flaw I find in a lot of the characters in GW2 is that they put their stories on the website / wiki or whatever, and not in the game. Though with this guy, the story isn’t even on the website…

He’s just BATMAN. And we’ve got to deal with it.

I feel that Destiny’s Edge is much more suited to lead the Pact

Who had fought a dragon before? Not Trahearne
Who wield the legendary swords of Ascalon? Not Trahearne
Who actually battled their way to experience? Not Trahearne
Who joined together despite each of them being from separate race? Not Trahearne, obviously
Who has extensive, developed stories? Not Trahearne
Who suddenly got an Excalibur just because? Definitely Trahearne.

I mean, by the Six Gods and Abaddon below, we have so many heroes to choose from: Logan, Caithe, Eir, Rytlock, Zojja?

What about the Firstborns?
What about the High Legions?
What about the College Headmasters?
What about the Seraphs? The Lionguards?
What about the Vigil?
What about the Whispers?
What about the Priory?

Noooo…. it has to be this saladistic scholar here.

Despite my own problems with Trahearne I have to correct you. Trahearne isnt a scholar. It would indicate him being a member of the priory and he isnt.

He is however someone who has studied Orr his entired life and he isn’t just a firstborn, but he is THE firstborn.

It’s perfectly ok to hate Trahearne as I do, but please do it for the correct reasons :P

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