Guild Wars 2

Count me in for the linux client. Archlinux user here!

Illiander.8049:

MehWhatever.1248:

Gwenanne.5674:

Is the gw2 client still running properly under Wine? I’ve tried it on my new Dell XPS 13", which I’m happy that Dell now offers without Windows tax. But, no luck. Whether running via PlayOnLinux or directly with the “dx9single” flag it has problems that I’ve been unable to avoid.

There is no lighting on the models in the chooser, and the game crashes immediately after selecting a face shape. Has anyone seen this problem and found a workaround?

I don’t think the integrated graphics chip in the XPS13 will be capable of running the game, even on Windows.

Intel graphics chips are really bad.

If you have the motherboard slot for it, I’d suggest getting an nVidia* card a step or two above the “recommended” and fitting it. But my experience with Dell PCs is that they don’t solder the connectors on for anything that didn’t ship with the machine. (which is one of the reasons that I never buy from “big-box” manufacturers anymore: no garuntee that I’ll actually get what I ordered).

• I’ve always found that nVidia cards get better support under WINE than AMD.

It’s a laptop, so I don’t think that’ll be possible.

infarmer.9836:

eddiecapp.1076:

Well… did ANet say something about a Linux client until now?

Yes, they said NO. You can check it in the following link:
NO GW2 for Linux

It’s a pity, the only reason i’m still running Windows is there is no a good quality MMO for Linux, fortunately things are changing, for all you Linux gamers, a new MMO is been developing right now with good graphics and native Linux support, so if you are an MMO gamer like me, soon you will have the possibility to leave Windows SO forever if you like. I had preferred to leave Windows with GW2, i like it, but it seems there will be no port for it. One tip for Anet: Today there is no a competitive market in MMOs in Linux, a port to a linux client could mean to pick a lot of new users, probably more than with the Mac port but, things are changing, other MMOs (at least one) are coming to pick up that market.
…excuse my English again…

All he said is that they’re looking at the market. Porting is not as easy as you would think, and it won’t be profitable in the near term. When there is more market for games on Linux, they will likely port it.

MehWhatever.1248:

mkaito.6981:

Mouse camera control is a little wonky at times, but the game runs rather decently in wine right now. There’s a patch for the trading post issue. I don’t get the performance I had on windows, but it’s not bad at all. Porting a game to Linux is a lot more work than most people realize, even if they had a native Mac client. If they could put some work into making it work better with wine, or maybe even work with the wine team, it would go a pretty kitten long way.

Not really. GW2 uses multiple threads for graphics, and Wine’s DirectX implementation is designed to work with one. To ‘fix’ this, the Wine developers will most likely need to rewrite large parts of their rendering engine, and it’s a pretty intrusive change that likely won’t be done in months, if not years. The reason for this is that Wine is always tested for regressions, so the new renderer will need to become more, or at least equally compatible before it’s shipped.

TL;DR Wine in its current state won’t help GW2, and fixing that will take time to make sure other things don’t break.

You’re right. But rewriting half of GW2 to have the engine run under OpenGL instead of DirectX is just as intrusive and unlikely to happen.

MehWhatever.1248:

infarmer.9836:

eddiecapp.1076:

Well… did ANet say something about a Linux client until now?

Yes, they said NO. You can check it in the following link:
NO GW2 for Linux

It’s a pity, the only reason i’m still running Windows is there is no a good quality MMO for Linux, fortunately things are changing, for all you Linux gamers, a new MMO is been developing right now with good graphics and native Linux support, so if you are an MMO gamer like me, soon you will have the possibility to leave Windows SO forever if you like. I had preferred to leave Windows with GW2, i like it, but it seems there will be no port for it. One tip for Anet: Today there is no a competitive market in MMOs in Linux, a port to a linux client could mean to pick a lot of new users, probably more than with the Mac port but, things are changing, other MMOs (at least one) are coming to pick up that market.
…excuse my English again…

All he said is that they’re looking at the market. Porting is not as easy as you would think, and it won’t be profitable in the near term. When there is more market for games on Linux, they will likely port it.

The biggest reason there is “no market for games” on Linux is the lack of games for Linux.

mkaito.6981:

MehWhatever.1248:

mkaito.6981:

Mouse camera control is a little wonky at times, but the game runs rather decently in wine right now. There’s a patch for the trading post issue. I don’t get the performance I had on windows, but it’s not bad at all. Porting a game to Linux is a lot more work than most people realize, even if they had a native Mac client. If they could put some work into making it work better with wine, or maybe even work with the wine team, it would go a pretty kitten long way.

Not really. GW2 uses multiple threads for graphics, and Wine’s DirectX implementation is designed to work with one. To ‘fix’ this, the Wine developers will most likely need to rewrite large parts of their rendering engine, and it’s a pretty intrusive change that likely won’t be done in months, if not years. The reason for this is that Wine is always tested for regressions, so the new renderer will need to become more, or at least equally compatible before it’s shipped.

TL;DR Wine in its current state won’t help GW2, and fixing that will take time to make sure other things don’t break.

You’re right. But rewriting half of GW2 to have the engine run under OpenGL instead of DirectX is just as intrusive and unlikely to happen.

No it’s not. Wine’s database lists 19399 applications as of right now, and every single one of them will need to work the same way or better. GW2 is a single application with a single code base, and the engine likely has a separate renderer component already. Writing a new renderer might take six months, ‘fixing’ Wine properly will take years.

mkaito.6981:

MehWhatever.1248:

infarmer.9836:

eddiecapp.1076:

Well… did ANet say something about a Linux client until now?

Yes, they said NO. You can check it in the following link:
NO GW2 for Linux

It’s a pity, the only reason i’m still running Windows is there is no a good quality MMO for Linux, fortunately things are changing, for all you Linux gamers, a new MMO is been developing right now with good graphics and native Linux support, so if you are an MMO gamer like me, soon you will have the possibility to leave Windows SO forever if you like. I had preferred to leave Windows with GW2, i like it, but it seems there will be no port for it. One tip for Anet: Today there is no a competitive market in MMOs in Linux, a port to a linux client could mean to pick a lot of new users, probably more than with the Mac port but, things are changing, other MMOs (at least one) are coming to pick up that market.
…excuse my English again…

All he said is that they’re looking at the market. Porting is not as easy as you would think, and it won’t be profitable in the near term. When there is more market for games on Linux, they will likely port it.

The biggest reason there is “no market for games” on Linux is the lack of games for Linux.

Indeed. Valve is creating the market right here before our eyes. But ‘it is happening’ != ‘it has happened’.

MehWhatever.1248:

mkaito.6981:

MehWhatever.1248:

infarmer.9836:

eddiecapp.1076:

Well… did ANet say something about a Linux client until now?

Yes, they said NO. You can check it in the following link:
NO GW2 for Linux

It’s a pity, the only reason i’m still running Windows is there is no a good quality MMO for Linux, fortunately things are changing, for all you Linux gamers, a new MMO is been developing right now with good graphics and native Linux support, so if you are an MMO gamer like me, soon you will have the possibility to leave Windows SO forever if you like. I had preferred to leave Windows with GW2, i like it, but it seems there will be no port for it. One tip for Anet: Today there is no a competitive market in MMOs in Linux, a port to a linux client could mean to pick a lot of new users, probably more than with the Mac port but, things are changing, other MMOs (at least one) are coming to pick up that market.
…excuse my English again…

All he said is that they’re looking at the market. Porting is not as easy as you would think, and it won’t be profitable in the near term. When there is more market for games on Linux, they will likely port it.

The biggest reason there is “no market for games” on Linux is the lack of games for Linux.

Indeed. Valve is creating the market right here before our eyes. But ‘it is happening’ != ‘it has happened’.

I’m not entirely sure the propietary platform Valve is building will result in properly portable games to “real” Linux. We’ll have to wait and see. It surely would be a grand day for all Linuxers out there.

infarmer.9836:

eddiecapp.1076:

Well… did ANet say something about a Linux client until now?

Yes, they said NO. You can check it in the following link:
NO GW2 for Linux

Not through official channels: not official. Don’t pay any attention to it.

ANet need to get that message.

mkaito.6981:

MehWhatever.1248:

mkaito.6981:

MehWhatever.1248:

infarmer.9836:

eddiecapp.1076:

Well… did ANet say something about a Linux client until now?

Yes, they said NO. You can check it in the following link:
NO GW2 for Linux

It’s a pity, the only reason i’m still running Windows is there is no a good quality MMO for Linux, fortunately things are changing, for all you Linux gamers, a new MMO is been developing right now with good graphics and native Linux support, so if you are an MMO gamer like me, soon you will have the possibility to leave Windows SO forever if you like. I had preferred to leave Windows with GW2, i like it, but it seems there will be no port for it. One tip for Anet: Today there is no a competitive market in MMOs in Linux, a port to a linux client could mean to pick a lot of new users, probably more than with the Mac port but, things are changing, other MMOs (at least one) are coming to pick up that market.
…excuse my English again…

All he said is that they’re looking at the market. Porting is not as easy as you would think, and it won’t be profitable in the near term. When there is more market for games on Linux, they will likely port it.

The biggest reason there is “no market for games” on Linux is the lack of games for Linux.

Indeed. Valve is creating the market right here before our eyes. But ‘it is happening’ != ‘it has happened’.

I’m not entirely sure the propietary platform Valve is building will result in properly portable games to “real” Linux. We’ll have to wait and see. It surely would be a grand day for all Linuxers out there.

I’m not sure you can call that platform ‘proprietary’. The current main target for Steam is Ubuntu, which is (mostly) open source, and they’re working on things to make it run on other distributions as well. I don’t think the Steam Box hardware will be open, but the software should be generic Linux, because adding another target won’t make much sense.

Has anyone tested the latest Wine update or Crossover 12? I asked the guy of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvBqyYBTKc

if it was using all the cores from the processor, and he said that, CrossOver and PlayOnLinux used all of his 6 cores (which is strange, since GW2 uses only 4 cores, maybe the other two were being used by another program).

Is there a Linux client yet? Oh no? Well I guess I’ll stay with AOL kids… Well I will stay with windows 7 and will never buy a windows OS again so if ANet does not make a native Linux or atleast Ubuntu client for GW 3 I will not buy their game either.

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1280&bih=909&tbm=isch&tbnid=F8HkJBWOalCNOM:&imgrefurl=http://www.webpronews.com/windows-8-bears-a-strong-resemblance-to-aol-kids-circa-1996-2012-06&docid=JYdVsZkIfZ-VoM&imgurl=http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/pictures/AolWindows8Pic5.jpg&w=616&h=368&ei=2UfpUJG0A8jCrQGK8YFY&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=61&sig=112858664302358771785&page=1&tbnh=139&tbnw=234&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:91&tx=90&ty=71

id love a Linux client id even pay extra to get access to it so long as it was linked to my account as an Opensuse user i hate having to have windows installed just to play 2 games steam took the leap and the results of the games I’ve played on the beta so far are brilliant games run much smoother than windows. I’ve been running Linux since Redhat 6.0 and thanks to distros like Ubuntu for making Linux a more User friendly experience there are a lot more people moving to Linux….. and yes you could use software like wine or playonlinux for simplicity but then there is also a risk of getting mass banned for an anti cheat system creating false positives like d3, granted it seems to be Ubuntu x64 users that are effected by it……….but its about time that Linux has a chance to be a viable operating system and major gaming company’s took an interest in the Linux community apart from relying on wine to emulate windows experience to play games and listen to the few that speak up about it every game that is released always has a section just for Linux users to come QQ about not having native support and the answer is always the same “Well we talked about it but have no plans to implement it …….but you can always use wine” and then give no support to the teams working on getting the program or game to run at it’s best don’t get me wrong the guys over at wineHQ do brilliant job but it’s never as good as a native run client and if valve can tweak left for dead 2 a little bit and get a 30% performance boost over direct x running on the same hardware why cant other company’s follow in there foot steps and at least try there own tests even if it is not public instead of just “talking about it” and deciding not to

I would definately pay extra (even buy the game again) for a Linux port of the game client.

With the advent of Steam for Linux and the increasing popularity of Android devices (including the OUYA game console), I think investing in Linux videogame development talent would be a smart move.

Just adding my support to the desire for a linux client. The -only- thing keeping me in Windows at this point is games, and more & more games are supporting Linux. FTL gets so many hours from me.

I think many Linux users would pay more money to aNet if there was a native Linux client simply because they would play more often and run out of bank/inventory space necessitating a visit to the gem store. Let’s face it: playing Guild Wars 2 with Wine stinks compared to playing it on Windows 7. There are some games that run great with Wine including the original Guild Wars (though you would need the brains of an Asura [or a whole army of Skritt] to spend less than a week figuring out how to tweak it), Guild Wars 2 simply isn’t one of those games…yet.

John Yanez.5486:

I think many Linux users would pay more money to aNet if there was a native Linux client simply because they would play more often and run out of bank/inventory space necessitating a visit to the gem store. Let’s face it: playing Guild Wars 2 with Wine stinks compared to playing it on Windows 7. There are some games that run great with Wine including the original Guild Wars (though you would need the brains of an Asura [or a whole army of Skritt] to spend less than a week figuring out how to tweak it), Guild Wars 2 simply isn’t one of those games…yet.

Never had any issues with the original GW. It just installed and ran fine.

Desktop linux is NOT a gaming platform. As such it doesn’t deserve the hassle of porting over and complying with every nerd geek out there. It’s highly fragmented with no standardization whatsoever.
As a paying customer, I wouldn’t want to see ANet wasting time porting to linux. I’d appreciate use that time on fixing current bugs and implement new features for a well-known stable and standartized platform – Windows.

PS: Not to mention that most hardware and peripherals ARE designed for Windows and have absolutely NO SUPPORT for linux. What’s left for gaming

Totally agree with Ravenmoon.

A lot of ignorance here, lol, Ports don’t work for big games, folks.

Yeah , it’ll run , but it’ll be slower and it’ll have bugs. Linux is not and will never be a popular platfrom, get over it. It’s for geeks and people who just want to browse the net.

John Yanez.5486:

I think many Linux users would pay more money to aNet if there was a native Linux client simply because they would play more often and run out of bank/inventory space necessitating a visit to the gem store.

I’m sure you ’ve convinced them now, and if they think like that , the game will only go downhill from here.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Desktop linux is NOT a gaming platform.

Unfounded opinion.

As such it doesn’t deserve the hassle of porting over and complying with every nerd geek out there.

Nerd geek? I guess all those organizations, governments and personally Stephen Fry are ‘nerd geeks’. Offensive, unfounded opinion.

It’s highly fragmented with no standardization whatsoever.

Outright wrong. Look up POSIX, OpenGL, OpenAL . Unix has standards for almost everything, and the graphics/input/network stacks are the same in all distributions. Sound systems might be different, but OpenAL can handle that for you.

As a paying customer, I wouldn’t want to see ANet wasting time porting to linux.

Unfounded opinion.

I’d appreciate use that time on fixing current bugs and implement new features for a well-known stable and standartized platform – Windows.

Standartized? Maybe, maybe no. Windows 8 runs on ARM devices now, and it introduced a lot of new APIs that will soon deprecate the current APIs games like GW2 use. Also some porting that needs to be done. Stable? Also questionable. In my experience, desktop Linux is just as stable as Windows, and servers are way more stable on CentOS or some BSD system. I won’t argue this point any further.

Ravenmoon.5318:

PS: Not to mention that most hardware and peripherals ARE designed for Windows and have absolutely NO SUPPORT for linux. What’s left for gaming

How come all of my peripherals work perfectly with Linux? Standards at work, right there.

ElixireL.5190:

A lot of ignorance here, lol, Ports don’t work for big games, folks.

They absolutely do. Examples, examples, more examples .

ElixireL.5190:

Yeah , it’ll run , but it’ll be slower

Unfounded opinion. Also, Source actually runs faster on Linux than it does on Windows, so if anecdotal evidence works for you, you have it right here.

After this work, Left 4 Dead 2 is running at 315 FPS on Linux. That the Linux version runs faster than the Windows version (270.6) seems a little counter-intuitive, given the greater amount of time we have spent on the Windows version. However, it does speak to the underlying efficiency of the kernel and OpenGL.

via Faster Zombies! | Valve

and it’ll have bugs.

Rule of thumb: all code has bugs. Even your “Hello world!” program has bugs. In what way a Linux version is bound to have more bugs than a Windows version, I don’t know. So, I call unfounded opinion.

Linux is not and will never be a popular platfrom, get over it.

Android has 72.4% of the smartphone market. Amazon’s top selling laptop runs ChromeOS. What’s common between the two? Both are based on Linux. It is already a popular platform, just not in the way you think.

It’s for geeks and people who just want to browse the net.

Again an opinion and again an offensive one.

So, let me just round this up for you guys.

• Unfounded opinion not backed by data – 8 points.
  * Of them, offensive – 2 points.
  * Of them, contradicting anecdotal evidence – 2 points.
• Just wrong, contradicts existing data – 2 points.
• Mostly correct – 1 point.

Talk about ignorance.

First of all, you are being ignorant and outright stupid if you claim that Android is a linux or ChromeOS for that manner. Yes they have the kernel, highly tweaked and modified kernel and a whole another layer on top that really has nothing to do with *NIX and the way *NIX works

Nerd geek? I guess all those organizations, governments and personally Stephen Fry are ‘nerd geeks’. Offensive, unfounded opinion.

Man that looks like a huge list O.O
You know what the rest of the world is using? Mac OS and Windows!

OpenGL is not up to date, OpenAL is close but nothing like audio on Windows with proprietary driver. All this “open source software only” idea is outright stupid. As a developer myself, I don’t want you to touch my code. It’s a matter of principle.

How come all of my peripherals work perfectly with Linux? Standards at work, right there.

Have you tried 3G USB modems? Do they work right after you plug them in? How about gamer-tier keyboards and mice? How’s the windows/macos proprietary driver working for you? And how about most of the laptops currently available having wireless issues? Yes I actually have linux installed on my laptop. It’s the latest openSuSE. Do you know how’s my wireless working? It doesnt. So I sent them a support ticket, do you know what the answer was ? The laptop is built for windows, doh, like most of them

Standartized? Maybe, maybe no. Windows 8 runs on ARM devices now, and it introduced a lot of new APIs that will soon deprecate the current APIs games like GW2 use. Also some porting that needs to be done.

Please tell me you are kidding :|
Windows is the only OS with 20+ years of backwards compatibility. Please don’t deem the most complete OS currently on the market being idiotic because your majesty wants to be “free” and “open” and all that jazz. They have APIs currently supported that were made probably before you were born.

Seriously, all you linux “gamers” can brag about is a definitive Steam port that will only hold Valve games. After they invested millions of dollars hiring one of the currently best linux developers in the world. Just because they were scared of Windows 8 App Market. I’m actually participating in the beta. And it’s PAIN to have it installed on something different than Ubuntu/Debian.

Do you see what I’m doing here? Talking about fragmentation. From developer viewpoint each distro is like different OS. Period

And even if linux has 100% mobile market adoption with Ubuntu Phone (which you can call linux on the phone then), Guild Wars 2 is a DESKTOP game newsflash

And lets face it – linux adoption rate on the desktop is … well, it’s kind of pointless to talk about it. It haven’t really gone up in the past 10 or more years.

In the end it’s a waste of money to port over to linux after you have fully featured Windows client, which is not cross-platform by design. The money you will get back will be less than the development cost

It’s funny actually. While Windows costs a little over 200$ and linux being COMPLETELY FREE majority of people go for Windows. Why is that?

Speaking of ignorance …….. linux fanboys are quite ignorant yep

@Ravenmoon:

I’m not a fanboy. In fact, I’m currently writing this on my Windows install. I also have Arch Linux installed on the same laptop, and it works just fine with Atheros 9000 wireless, a Logitech G700 mouse, and a Huawei 3G stick. It also has a proprietary NVIDIA driver in it, and a few proprietary firmwares. I’m not an ‘open source everything’ zealot, you know. Linux just works better for me.

Also running on this very laptop is a build of a custom written game engine right now, that I’ve built with OpenGL, OpenAL and SDL. From my experience working on it, I don’t think I would call OpenGL ‘not up to date’. It’s not perfect, but neither is Direct3D. Also, the same very engine can now be packaged into a Windows installer, OS X bundle, Debian .deb packages, Fedora/RedHat/SuSE .rpm’s and Arch Linux .pkg.tar.xz, all in a simple spec file. I don’t see much fragmentation here, sorry.

OpenAL is not a ‘driver’, it’s an API that provides uniform access to multiple underlying subsystems like ALSA, OSSv3, OSSv4, JACK or JACK2. All of them have different ‘driver’ implementations. Also, even when writing code strictly for Windows, no sane developer ever would call proprietary driver functions directly without a kitten good reason. You would use DirectSound or Windows Sound APIs or whatever, and not talk directly to the driver.

I have never deemed Windows ‘idiotic’. I appreciate the amount of work Microsoft has put in it, and I know it’s the leading desktop OS in terms of the market share. I also know the strengths of Windows and the weaknesses of Linux. However, I don’t like Windows 8, not only because of the Metro UI, but because of the general ‘walled garden’ direction Microsoft is taking with it. Also, supporting legacy APIs doesn’t mean not deprecating them. We don’t use DOS mode command line software anymore, not because it’s not supported, but because it’s not needed. This is where the traditional desktop is going to end up, according to Microsoft’s vision. And it’s not necessarily bad. It’s just not for me.

Also, I don’t know who told you that GW2’s client is not cross platform by design. Most of the lower level stuff ends up abstracted anyway when you write a game engine. Even if it’s not, I’d like to see this stated by an actual developer, and not you. Or at the very least, cite your source and provide a link.

P.S. Your post shows that you are extremely biased, not in your opinion on Linux, but in the way you formed an immediate ‘linux fanboy’ opinion of me just for disagreeing with you. I don’t think I want to continue this conversation, sorry. Also, I don’t think I will be able to continue ignoring your personal attacks to keep the informative conversation going forward.

P.P.S. Sorry to everyone else for not breaking up the original quote like I did before. It didn’t fit the char limit.

Edit: Also, Android’s kernel changes are currently in the process of being upstreamed, and ChromeOS can run on a vanilla kernel.

Fair enough,
In retrospect, I’d like to see an OpenGL game look like the upcoming Crysis 3. Then I suppose we can talk about OpenGL being up to date.
And besides, I made the assumption of GW2 being written by design to be played on windows because of the way it works with the OS and how it feels.
I don’t get that when emulated with Wine BUT yup, it might be the emulation talking.

I would love to see mini preview of the screen in aero task bar like Aion did.

P.S. I don’t see why people keep calling Windows 8 a walled garden. Granted Metro UI might not appeal good to everyone but I don’t see who stopped you from installing 3rd party apps downloaded from …. somewhere. I find the Win8 marketplace more of a convenience

Ravenmoon.5318:

Fair enough,
In retrospect, I’d like to see an OpenGL game look like the upcoming Crysis 3. Then I suppose we can talk about OpenGL being up to date.

CryEngine has a Linux port. Uses OpenGL, obviously. Unreal Engine 3 also runs on OS X / Linux, with OpenGL, and so will the upcoming Unreal Engine 4. Check this out. Real time. And it will run on OpenGL.

Edit: the PS3 uses OpenGL, too. And don’t tell me Uncharted games don’t look ‘up to date’.

Ravenmoon.5318:

I don’t get that when emulated with Wine BUT yup, it might be the emulation talking.

That’s to do with how Wine’s DirectX -> OpenGL translation works. As a developer, you should know you don’t judge the code by the binary.

Ravenmoon.5318:

P.S. I don’t see why people keep calling Windows 8 a walled garden. Granted Metro UI might not appeal good to everyone but I don’t see who stopped you from installing 3rd party apps downloaded from …. somewhere. I find the Win8 marketplace more of a convenience

WinRT only runs marketplace apps. And it’ll come to the desktop ‘eventually’, as already confirmed by Microsoft.

Ravenmoon.5318:

And how about most of the laptops currently available having wireless issues? Yes I actually have linux installed on my laptop. It’s the latest openSuSE. Do you know how’s my wireless working? It doesnt. So I sent them a support ticket, do you know what the answer was ? The laptop is built for windows, doh, like most of them

I usually ignore trolls, but this deserves to be brought to general attenction. I haven’t seen such issues for some years, and I find it quite hard to believe. But even so… Let me understand, you sent a ticket to who? I doubt the OpenSUSE community would ever say something like that, which leaves… You sent a ticket to the laptop’s vendor, didn’t you? I wonder if you even checked if there was a driver for your wireless card in the repositories… Do you even know what a repository is?

I’m saying this because it looks like that most people who posted here and are against a Linux port identified themselves as “developers”, yet shewn to be quite ignorant about how Linux or OSs do work. A few people actually brought up interesting points about why a Linux port isn’t viable now ( such as Linux being just starting to look like an interesting option for developers, but such things need time ), but the others mostly spoke out of their plain ignorance or prejudices on the subject. This shouldn’t be a Windows vs Linux topic, if you want such a thread create a new one and start jumping at each other’s throat there, surely I won’t bother reading what you’ll say there. But as for this thread, I’d really like to see people discussing about a Linux client politely, using arguments that aren’t dictated by plain ignorance or prejudice.

All of my hardware works just fine on both Windows and Ubuntu. It’s only when I try PC-BSD or OpenIndiana that I start to run into problems since I can’t find any decent FreeBSD or Solaris drivers for my Radeon HD 5770.

Crise.9401:

Just something worth pointing out, according to their press release ANet is using/used middleware solution to accelerate the creation of their Mac client… I am unaware of such solutions for linux at the moment.

However, the point is, because the middleware they are using is aimed at Mac OS X portability of games I doubt the point about Mac and linux being similar platforms holds water here, unless the middleware in question supports linux as well, which based on the website of the mentioned company it does not.

Edit: http://transgaming.com/cider

You do know that Mac OS X is based off of Unix right? Any version of linux and unix are in fact based off similar code. Why do you think Wine can run GW2 on linux and cider ( a unix based port of Wine) work?

DeadPhone.3084:

Crise.9401:

Just something worth pointing out, according to their press release ANet is using/used middleware solution to accelerate the creation of their Mac client… I am unaware of such solutions for linux at the moment.

However, the point is, because the middleware they are using is aimed at Mac OS X portability of games I doubt the point about Mac and linux being similar platforms holds water here, unless the middleware in question supports linux as well, which based on the website of the mentioned company it does not.

Edit: http://transgaming.com/cider

You do know that Mac OS X is based off of Unix right? Any version of linux and unix are in fact based off similar code. Why do you think Wine can run GW2 on linux and cider ( a unix based port of Wine) work?

OS X is based on the Darwin kernel, which is derived from BSD, which is derived from System V Unix, while Linux is a complete Unix-like system written from scratch. So even though they do share many standards, there’s a lot of platform specific code in OS X, and I’m pretty sure at least some parts of it are used in Cider. Also, Cider is a separate commercial product, so even if it the code does run on Linux, that doesn’t mean TransGaming will sell a Linux version, and ANet is entirely dependent on them here. That’s also one of the reasons for a native port.

soulsuke.7913:

Ravenmoon.5318:

And how about most of the laptops currently available having wireless issues? Yes I actually have linux installed on my laptop. It’s the latest openSuSE. Do you know how’s my wireless working? It doesnt. So I sent them a support ticket, do you know what the answer was ? The laptop is built for windows, doh, like most of them

I usually ignore trolls, but this deserves to be brought to general attenction. I haven’t seen such issues for some years, and I find it quite hard to believe. But even so… Let me understand, you sent a ticket to who? I doubt the OpenSUSE community would ever say something like that, which leaves… You sent a ticket to the laptop’s vendor, didn’t you? I wonder if you even checked if there was a driver for your wireless card in the repositories… Do you even know what a repository is?

I’m saying this because it looks like that most people who posted here and are against a Linux port identified themselves as “developers”, yet shewn to be quite ignorant about how Linux or OSs do work. A few people actually brought up interesting points about why a Linux port isn’t viable now ( such as Linux being just starting to look like an interesting option for developers, but such things need time ), but the others mostly spoke out of their plain ignorance or prejudices on the subject. This shouldn’t be a Windows vs Linux topic, if you want such a thread create a new one and start jumping at each other’s throat there, surely I won’t bother reading what you’ll say there. But as for this thread, I’d really like to see people discussing about a Linux client politely, using arguments that aren’t dictated by plain ignorance or prejudice.

I usually ignore stupid people but I’m going to respond to you alright. Seems you lack reading skills.
I’m an advanced user. I have both Windows and Linux so basically I know what I’m talking about. Do I know what repository is? You are hillarious really “clap clap”. I actually administer 10 linux servers compiling and modifying existing software, and yes every now and then using the package repositories. Both official and unofficial.

Yes, I’ve installed quite a few drivers for my wireless. I even used ndiswrapper but to no avail. Yes the wireless was working but it was dropping me every few minutes c:
The range bar was at 60% at all times. To compare, under Windows this bar is FULL and I never drop. It is also full on my iphone.
No I’m not your average Joe, I did not send a ticket to my manufacturer. I actually used both the forums and official websites.
Not to mention that one of the drivers I installed messed my system so bad that I couldn’t boot into KDE without running in rescue mode and manually cleaning it up. I don’t remember such thing happening to me after Windows 98.

Here is a good read to see why OpenGL keeps falling behind http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

In the end sometimes its better when only 1 guy is calling the shot. I for one actually like Microsoft as a software developer. IMO microsoft and google make the best software these days. Yes there are security issues, bugs, and stuff as someone mentioned above, but they feel like less of an arrow in the knee to me. And that makes me a happy customer.
It’s one of the reasons I went for the “walled-garden” that is iOS and not the “open” android. Again that is personal opinion.

Also to get back on topic. I think that GW2 is designed for Windows because the “Mac port” is not really a port. AFAIK it uses somekind of emulation that is officially supported by ANet. I’m pretty sure they would’ve support the Wine emulation if there was only one linux distribution

the fact that says OpenGL is behind is probably correct but then it was wrote in 2011 currently it has all the bells and whistles of d3d and like the guy that wrote that article sums it up rather nicely its a vicious cycle however that was wrote 2 years ago and that cycle is now currently been broken by Valve and Blizzard……….even Nvidia is starting take things more seriously and things between Nvidia and Linux hasn’t been plain sailing either and a quick Google can prove that

Nvidia is too focused on the mobile market and it seems they are going for their own console.
Valve will publish only their own Source games to linux after investing some millions of dollars
Blizzard will have only 1 game client for linux in some years.

Is this the future of linux gaming? Google can prove what? They might be everything but they don’t really care if you can run the latest installment of Assassin’s Creed on your linux box o.o They care about their software and I haven’t seen them making games yet. Like real AAA games, kinda like GW2 or something

It all comes down to this. Linux user base is so low, it doesn’t really have a say. It’s up to the developers if they want to port or not. And it’s most likely the latter because the first requires millions of dollars of investment to make it work. Now answer this question … why would I want to invest into linux as a game dev when I have perfectly working game title on windows and mac? It’s unwritten rule that most of the linux users don’t like to pay for their software. Some of them won’t pick up my software just because it’s not open source. No offense but in the end it all comes down to money. And linux is not a viable option for that at the moment.

It’s the same reason you still have more and more iOS developers, because iOS users are more likely to pay for their apps. While majority of android users run around with rooted phones and allowed installation of unsigned software (a.k.a. pirated software)

You hear a faint scream in the distance, then a sound of an explosion.
> Investigate.
You run in the direction from which the sound seemingly came. An Asura engineer is lying on the cold stones of the dungeon’s floor, the last spark of life about to leave his eyes. ‘Raven… moon…’, he whispers, as his eyes close forever. What happened here, you wonder? And how are ravens and the moon related? (roll a perception check)
> * roll 20 *
You investigate the Asura’s body. It seems he has a minor case of serious brain damage. But what caused it? You need to help him.
> Cast Resurrect
You kneel over the body and put your hand on his chest, as you start singing a ressurection chant you’ve known for years now. A faint light comes out of your hand. It grows stronger, consuming the Asura, but he’s still not breathing. Is it too late? You channel all of your mana into your hand, giving away the last bits of your power to save the adventurer. The light flashes, blinding you for a few seconds. When you recover, you see that the engineer has opened his eyes.

Ravenmoon.5318:

I actually administer 10 linux servers compiling and modifying existing software, and yes every now and then using the package repositories. Both official and unofficial.

Could you point me to the sources of your ‘modified existing software’ please? You probably can’t, and you’re probably violating the [L]GPL. Also, using package repositories ‘every now and then’ is a bad idea, maybe unless you’re running Slackware. Running Slackware on servers is a bad idea too.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Yes, I’ve installed quite a few drivers for my wireless. I even used ndiswrapper but to no avail. Yes the wireless was working but it was dropping me every few minutes c:
The range bar was at 60% at all times. To compare, under Windows this bar is FULL and I never drop. It is also full on my iphone.

OK, so you’re saying you administer 10 Linux servers. From this I’ll assume you’re quite familiar with networking. Except you’re not. At all. The bar is just a visual representation of the signal strength, which is interpreted by software. You don’t count the number of bars to determine actual signal strength. You count dBm. Also, since it’s a Linux hate post and you haven’t mentioned any other issues, I’m pretty close to assuming you had everything working with ndiswrapper, except you didn’t like the bar. Also, why don’t you post your laptop model / wireless chip?

Ravenmoon.5318:

No I’m not your average Joe, I did not send a ticket to my manufacturer. I actually used both the forums and official websites.

I don’t believe this, and I won’t start believing until I see links.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Not to mention that one of the drivers I installed messed my system so bad that I couldn’t boot into KDE without running in rescue mode and manually cleaning it up. I don’t remember such thing happening to me after Windows 98.

I don’t think it was an official package. Was it? Probably not. Anything unofficial comes at your own risk.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Here is a good read to see why OpenGL keeps falling behind http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

I can agree with much of that, but OpenGL is catching up quickly now, and it has its advantages (e.g. portability). OpenGL will never advertise things like ‘tesselation’ as a feature, because it works on a lower level than DirectX, so those features are actually up to the engine developer to implement. This brings me to another advantage. My old GeForce 8600 runs DirectX 9 and OpenGL 4.2. DX10+ is a no go, but a lot of OpenGL extensions were added in software.

Ravenmoon.5318:

In the end sometimes its better when only 1 guy is calling the shot. I for one actually like Microsoft as a software developer. IMO microsoft and google make the best software these days. Yes there are security issues, bugs, and stuff as someone mentioned above, but they feel like less of an arrow in the knee to me. And that makes me a happy customer.

I don’t really know what an arrow in the knee means in this context (except Skyrim references).

Ravenmoon.5318:

It’s one of the reasons I went for the “walled-garden” that is iOS and not the “open” android. Again that is personal opinion.

Uhm…

IMO microsoft and google make the best software these days.

Ravenmoon.5318:

It’s one of the reasons I went for the “walled-garden” that is iOS and not the “open” android.

Wut.

Edit: intro formatting.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Also to get back on topic. I think that GW2 is designed for Windows because the “Mac port” is not really a port. AFAIK it uses somekind of emulation that is officially supported by ANet. I’m pretty sure they would’ve support the Wine emulation if there was only one linux distribution

It uses a middleware layer that’s provided by TransGaming. There is no Linux version for it, but it’s based on Wine, so it’s possible, yet up to TransGaming and not ANet. Wine abstracts everything distribution specific, by the way. The Windows apps in Wine don’t really need to know they’re running on Wine at all. Also, Wine Is Not an Emulator.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Nvidia is too focused on the mobile market and it seems they are going for their own console.
Valve will publish only their own Source games to linux after investing some millions of dollars
Blizzard will have only 1 game client for linux in some years.

Nvidia is not focused on the mobile market only. GeForce Grid. Look it up. CUDA. Look it up, too. Quadro graphics. And this. Valve has already published a Source game on Linux, with more to follow soon. Millions of dollars? Don’t think so. Also would love to see the source for the Blizzard statement.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Is this the future of linux gaming? Google can prove what? They might be everything but they don’t really care if you can run the latest installment of Assassin’s Creed on your linux box o.o They care about their software and I haven’t seen them making games yet. Like real AAA games, kinda like GW2 or something

Google isn’t making games because Google isn’t a game company. Porting games to Linux is up to game companies, and Valve is giving them a reason to do so with the Steam Box. Also, Team Fortress 2 and Serious Sam 3 already run on Linux. If those are not AAA games, I don’t know what is.

Edit: sorry, just read the source of what you’ve replied to. A quick Google search could prove that.

Ravenmoon.5318:

It all comes down to this. Linux user base is so low, it doesn’t really have a say. It’s up to the developers if they want to port or not. And it’s most likely the latter because the first requires millions of dollars of investment to make it work.

You’re deciding for the developers again. The Linux userbase does have a say, and you can’t do anything about it. Welcome to the internet, where everyone can have their say. Will this be accepted by the developers? Time will show. But I honestly don’t care about what you think now.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Now answer this question … why would I want to invest into linux as a game dev when I have perfectly working game title on windows and mac?

More users => more money. Also, Steam Box.

Ravenmoon.5318:

It’s unwritten rule that most of the linux users don’t like to pay for their software.

If you call this a rule, you’re wrong. I’m a Linux user, and I paid for every single piece of paid software I run on my PC, including games. And most Linux users I know do the same. Because it’s only fair to the developer.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Some of them won’t pick up my software just because it’s not open source.

Yes, open source zealots do exist. However most of the Linux user base aren’t actually that religious about Free Software.

Ravenmoon.5318:

No offense but in the end it all comes down to money.And linux is not a viable option for that at the moment.

Maybe not at the moment. But in the future it will be, and ANet shouldn’t miss that.

Ravenmoon.5318:

It’s the same reason you still have more and more iOS developers, because iOS users are more likely to pay for their apps. While majority of android users run around with rooted phones and allowed installation of unsigned software (a.k.a. pirated software)

You so funny. Unsigned == pirated? Really? Seriously? Are you kidding me? And then you defend Windows, where you can install any software out of the box? You so funny.

as for source of said statement google comes up with a lot of hits for it also if he genuinely has a wireless card issue id like to know which card (Not to troll but to help) since I’ve been using Opensuse for years and not had any issues on my desktop and my laptops apart from when i bought a new motherboard and decided to be lazy and not do a clean install. As for the “pirate thing” actually most Iphone users i know have there phone jail broke also not buying there apps they use and yes i have my galaxy s3 rooted and aftermarket firmware but i still buy apps just because you root an android device doesn’t make you a pirate just gives you better control over what your phone is doing and the ability to install aftermarket firmware ……………… but the topic about a Guildwars Linux client id like to see it made and not to bash windows users or mac there both really good OS’s but Linux is my choice of poison and i don’t see why people are so against getting a Linux port of the game it doesn’t effect any windows users game play or a mac user for that matter people should have the ability to play games at a playable frame rate regardless of the OS and not have to wait for software like wine to build bridges (which breaks a lot of things pretty much every update) especially since most games cost a enough of your hard earned cash to buy, it would just mean there was more players playing the game to buy your lovely auctions.

Re: the statement: there was a Phoronix article about Blizzard bringing a game to Linux, but Ravenmoon said it’s only going to be one game, which I haven’t seen mentioned.

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

No I’m not your average Joe, I did not send a ticket to my manufacturer. I actually used both the forums and official websites.

I don’t believe this, and I won’t start believing until I see links.

Thanks for summing it up, good sir

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Here is a good read to see why OpenGL keeps falling behind http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

I can agree with much of that, but OpenGL is catching up quickly now, and it has its advantages (e.g. portability). OpenGL will never advertise things like ‘tesselation’ as a feature, because it works on a lower level than DirectX, so those features are actually up to the engine developer to implement. This brings me to another advantage. My old GeForce 8600 runs DirectX 9 and OpenGL 4.2. DX10+ is a no go, but a lot of OpenGL extensions were added in software.

I’d just like to point this out this article: http://timothylottes.blogspot.gr/2012/11/why-gl-now.html
OpenGL vs D3D has been a really hot topic for quite some time, it’s possible to find articles about how either of them is better than the other. Truth is, it’s hard to say which is better of the two, unless you’re quite skilled in the use of both of them. In most cases it’s just a personal choice, linking a random article usually won’t do much good…

meinie.5037:

i don’t see why people are so against getting a Linux port of the game it doesn’t effect any windows users game play or a mac user

To be quite fair, a Linux port would be benefical to Mac users, since it’d lead to a native Mac build as well… So yeah, Mac users shouldn’t really be against this :p

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

No I’m not your average Joe, I did not send a ticket to my manufacturer. I actually used both the forums and official websites.

I don’t believe this, and I won’t start believing until I see links.

Thanks for summing it up, good sir

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Here is a good read to see why OpenGL keeps falling behind http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

I can agree with much of that, but OpenGL is catching up quickly now, and it has its advantages (e.g. portability). OpenGL will never advertise things like ‘tesselation’ as a feature, because it works on a lower level than DirectX, so those features are actually up to the engine developer to implement. This brings me to another advantage. My old GeForce 8600 runs DirectX 9 and OpenGL 4.2. DX10+ is a no go, but a lot of OpenGL extensions were added in software.

I’d just like to point this out this article: http://timothylottes.blogspot.gr/2012/11/why-gl-now.html
OpenGL vs D3D has been a really hot topic for quite some time, it’s possible to find articles about how either of them is better than the other. Truth is, it’s hard to say which is better of the two, unless you’re quite skilled in the use of both of them. In most cases it’s just a personal choice, linking a random article usually won’t do much good…

meinie.5037:

i don’t see why people are so against getting a Linux port of the game it doesn’t effect any windows users game play or a mac user

To be quite fair, a Linux port would be benefical to Mac users, since it’d lead to a native Mac build as well… So yeah, Mac users shouldn’t really be against this :p

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

No I’m not your average Joe, I did not send a ticket to my manufacturer. I actually used both the forums and official websites.

I don’t believe this, and I won’t start believing until I see links.

Thanks for summing it up, good sir

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Here is a good read to see why OpenGL keeps falling behind http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

I can agree with much of that, but OpenGL is catching up quickly now, and it has its advantages (e.g. portability). OpenGL will never advertise things like ‘tesselation’ as a feature, because it works on a lower level than DirectX, so those features are actually up to the engine developer to implement. This brings me to another advantage. My old GeForce 8600 runs DirectX 9 and OpenGL 4.2. DX10+ is a no go, but a lot of OpenGL extensions were added in software.

I’d just like to point this out this article: http://timothylottes.blogspot.gr/2012/11/why-gl-now.html
OpenGL vs D3D has been a really hot topic for quite some time, it’s possible to find articles about how either of them is better than the other. Truth is, it’s hard to say which is better of the two, unless you’re quite skilled in the use of both of them. In most cases it’s just a personal choice, linking a random article usually won’t do much good…

meinie.5037:

i don’t see why people are so against getting a Linux port of the game it doesn’t effect any windows users game play or a mac user

To be quite fair, a Linux port would be benefical to Mac users, since it’d lead to a native Mac build as well… So yeah, Mac users shouldn’t really be against this :p

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

No I’m not your average Joe, I did not send a ticket to my manufacturer. I actually used both the forums and official websites.

I don’t believe this, and I won’t start believing until I see links.

Thanks for summing it up, good sir

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Here is a good read to see why OpenGL keeps falling behind http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

I can agree with much of that, but OpenGL is catching up quickly now, and it has its advantages (e.g. portability). OpenGL will never advertise things like ‘tesselation’ as a feature, because it works on a lower level than DirectX, so those features are actually up to the engine developer to implement. This brings me to another advantage. My old GeForce 8600 runs DirectX 9 and OpenGL 4.2. DX10+ is a no go, but a lot of OpenGL extensions were added in software.

I’d just like to point this out this article: http://timothylottes.blogspot.gr/2012/11/why-gl-now.html
OpenGL vs D3D has been a really hot topic for quite some time, it’s possible to find articles about how either of them is better than the other. Truth is, it’s hard to say which is better of the two, unless you’re quite skilled in the use of both of them. In most cases it’s just a personal choice, linking a random article usually won’t do much good…

meinie.5037:

i don’t see why people are so against getting a Linux port of the game it doesn’t effect any windows users game play or a mac user

To be quite fair, a Linux port would be benefical to Mac users, since it’d lead to a native Mac build as well… So yeah, Mac users shouldn’t really be against this :p

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

No I’m not your average Joe, I did not send a ticket to my manufacturer. I actually used both the forums and official websites.

I don’t believe this, and I won’t start believing until I see links.

Thanks for summing it up, good sir

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Here is a good read to see why OpenGL keeps falling behind http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

I can agree with much of that, but OpenGL is catching up quickly now, and it has its advantages (e.g. portability). OpenGL will never advertise things like ‘tesselation’ as a feature, because it works on a lower level than DirectX, so those features are actually up to the engine developer to implement. This brings me to another advantage. My old GeForce 8600 runs DirectX 9 and OpenGL 4.2. DX10+ is a no go, but a lot of OpenGL extensions were added in software.

I’d just like to point this out this article: http://timothylottes.blogspot.gr/2012/11/why-gl-now.html
OpenGL vs D3D has been a really hot topic for quite some time, it’s possible to find articles about how either of them is better than the other. Truth is, it’s hard to say which is better of the two, unless you’re quite skilled in the use of both of them. In most cases it’s just a personal choice, linking a random article usually won’t do much good…

meinie.5037:

i don’t see why people are so against getting a Linux port of the game it doesn’t effect any windows users game play or a mac user

To be quite fair, a Linux port would be benefical to Mac users, since it’d lead to a native Mac build as well… So yeah, Mac users shouldn’t really be against this :p

@soulsuke: upvoted your post, all five of them actually
@everyone: OpenGL is not better than DirectX, DirectX is not better than OpenGL. They’re different APIs, both work equally well when used right. Let’s keep it at that, and if someone wants to get into the really technical stuff, I don’t think it’s the right place.

I don’t understand why you people are arguing over which API is better as it really isn’t realavent to whats being asked here.

For one one of the major problems for Arenanet would be their programmers knowing how to program in OpenGL as allot of companies just see it as overhead to either 1. re-train current employees that don’t or 2. higher new ones that do.

This isn’t entirely their fault because the industry standard is DirectX which pretty much lets Microsoft monopolize the market. What makes this even funnier though is that Guild Wars 2 doesn’t run on the latest DirectX(11) doing so would increase game performance tremendously but with DirectX9 porting to the current OpenGL 4.3 Would to as well lol.

I’m all for a Linux client but I just don’t see it happening when they wont even update the game to the latest version of DirectX using the same API let alone a whole new one lol. However WineHQ has offered to team up with Arenanet and still awaiting their response. They pointed out to them they wouldn’t even have a OS X release if it wasn’t for wine. Which is true because Trans Gaming wouldn’t exist without Wine lol.

Checkout the petition here: Consider development alongside the Wine Project

I would love to see a native Linux Client via OpenGL but when they won’t even work with a wrapper again I don’t see it happening.

I don’t understand why you people are arguing over which API is better as it really isn’t realavent to whats being asked here.

I don’t understand it either…i want a Linux native client…

…there was a Phoronix article about Blizzard bringing a game to Linux..

The news is in this link >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI2ODE << and it is a rumor, but a rumor by Michael Larabel. Michael Larabel is the same one who brought us information about Valve and the Steam client into Linux…
P.D. The external link not bring out the new!, very rare, use copy and paste instead…

Acidphase.6520:

Checkout the petition here: Consider development alongside the Wine Project

This petition has nothing to do with WineHQ, it’s been started in this very thread. And I still hate the way it’s worded, I’ve posted why before. Also, working with Wine will not help get rid of the bottleneck that’s Wine’s lack of graphics threading. Thanks for highlighting the real issue with OpenGL though. Nice to get some constructive talk here every once in a while.

infarmer.9836:

The news is in this link >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI2ODE << and it is a rumor, but a rumor by Michael Larabel. Michael Larabel is the same one who brought us information about Valve and the Steam client into Linux…
P.D. The external link not bring out the new!, very rare, use copy and paste instead…

That’s why I mentioned that article. It says that Blizzard will release a Linux version of a game to test the market before doing more, but it doesn’t say it’ll be their only game in some years, as Ravenmoon worded it.

The laptop is Acer TravelMate 5742G I work on it and if you learn to read, my problem is not that I don’t get full range bar, my problem is that it disconnects me from my router network every few minutes even when I’m actively downloading unless I plug a cable in it. The laptop is with the Broadcom wireless card, I forgot the exact model. It has no physical On/Off switch so the module wasn’t even active when I installed SuSE at first, only after the initial updates it detected it and I had to run a command to install the broadcom firmware. And that’s what I ended up, a NetworkManager that disconnects me every few minutes. Not to mention that the download speeds and request times were off the charts.

It says that Blizzard will release a Linux version of a game to test the market before doing more, but it doesn’t say it’ll be their only game in some years, as Ravenmoon worded it.

I’m pretty sure it’s a matter of interpreting. Also I did not read it from phoronix so I might’ve caught up on the writer’s prism. AFAIK they do have native linux WoW client but they just don’t release it to the public.

Ravenmoon.5318:

The laptop is Acer TravelMate 5742G I work on it and if you learn to read, my problem is not that I don’t get full range bar, my problem is that it disconnects me from my router network every few minutes even when I’m actively downloading unless I plug a cable in it.

I stand corrected. Sorry. That behavior is with ndiswrapper, right?

The laptop is with the Broadcom wireless card, I forgot the exact model. It has no physical On/Off switch so the module wasn’t even active when I installed SuSE at first, only after the initial updates it detected it and I had to run a command to install the broadcom firmware. And that’s what I ended up, a NetworkManager that disconnects me every few minutes. Not to mention that the download speeds and request times were off the charts.

You should try following the openSUSE guide for Broadcom chips. I’ve never run into issues with Broadcom, so it was probably a mis-configuration on your part.

Ravenmoon.5318:

I’m pretty sure it’s a matter of interpreting. Also I did not read it from phoronix so I might’ve caught up on the writer’s prism. AFAIK they do have native linux WoW client but they just don’t release it to the public.

The Phoronix article states they had a native client in 2011, but the current state of it is unknown. Also, the plan is to release one game soon to test the market, and then release the others if it’s successful.

+1 for linux client from me

currently playing GW2 on WINE (PlayOnLinux specifically) on Ubuntu 12.10

…more specifically on a second X server running e17, but yeah, that’s more technical than most people care about

i think the performance would be somewhat improved if the game was native (steam-powered or otherwise)

I stand corrected. Sorry. That behavior is with ndiswrapper, right?

No this happens after I ran install_bcm43xx_firmware after the upgrade.

Ravenmoon.5318:

I stand corrected. Sorry. That behavior is with ndiswrapper, right?

No this happens after I ran install_bcm43xx_firmware after the upgrade.

Then I’m waiting for a bug report link.

MehWhatever.1248:

Ravenmoon.5318:

I stand corrected. Sorry. That behavior is with ndiswrapper, right?

No this happens after I ran install_bcm43xx_firmware after the upgrade.

Then I’m waiting for a bug report link.

Right after you send me a link to something you’ve posted around 2 years ago o.o