Class Overhauls or Expansions.

Class Overhauls or Expansions.

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Posted by: Nova.8021

Nova.8021

I know the developers stated that they do not want this game to be like WoW, and I respect their reasoning in that decision. However, there are things that WoW does better than GW2, and I think Anet should take note of these things, and use that knowledge to do it even better. Keep in mind that I make these suggestions purely because I want this game to succeed. Please read what I have to say and give me your feedback.

Argument:

First off, all classes should be viable in dungeons. How are they not viable you ask? It is quite simple, when our community dungeon runners favor one or two classes above all else and can run an entire group filled with the same profession immensely better than a diverse group, then we have a problem.

Example: 3 berserker wars and 2 mesmers, or 5 berserker wars doing CoF better than any diverse group I have ever seen.

How do we combat this? If your response is to nerf the classes involved then you are not thinking clearly, as that would result in ruining the experience of already enjoyable classes.

If the Anet team really wants a “play it your way” style, then there is no reason the engineer, ranger, elementalist, etc should have lower dps(damage per second) than a warrior if they are just as speced and geared for dps as that warrior is. This is showing little reward to those who favor a certain class by letting another unfairly dominate the PvE realm. I would hate to bring roles into this game (such as tank, healer, dps), but it is clear that some classes aren’t meant to be doing respectable dps, and all classes should be able to do that at the very least. Doing dps is enjoyable, and the fact that some people know their class is on an unfair playing field in departments such as damage just steepens their feelings that this game is biased.

Solution #1

I feel this is something that WoW did well, and that is to make unique class buffs that applied to the whole party depending on the skill points.

Example: A “Call of the Wild” %5 damage buff from having a damage speced ranger in the party would vastly improve dungeon group diversity. This is assuming that these buffs didn’t stack with the same buff. (Can’t get this buff twice from two rangers)

Solution #2

All classes should have viable AoE and single target dps if they so desire. Even the Rogue on wow had a viable AoE if he was speced right. As did the Priest and many other classes to do damage how they saw fit. (Often with a combination of both depending on the situation) Although we only have 5 abilities per weapon set, I don’t see why there isn’t an option to swap out for some new abilities to do damage how you want to do it and making the class more enjoyable as well.

Example: The Rogue class could throw knives while attacking that would stem from targets and hit other targets if my memory serves me right. This made even the preferred ganking class on WoW have good dps in dungeons with a viable AoE and single target compability. In the Thief’s current state that knife AoE is not viable as it interrupts his single target damage immensely which he relies on.

Solution #3

Expand on Elite skills, and bring classes closer together on damage per second. This would probably require for Anet to make glass cannons of every class and use some sort of damage per second measuring tool on a mob, but this is important if we ever want to have diverse class viability. There is also no reason that the ranger’s elite skills can’t rival my time warp. They should have something just as good or better; unlike the Engineer’s mortar that can’t even rival one from WvW, so how elite is that really?

Conclusion:

I note that Anet doesn’t want to play “Whack-a-mole” with classes, but guess what? WoW has never been able to find an absolute balance because the truth is as the game continually evolves with new gear, play styles, and content coming into play, there will always be an issue with balancing. In that regard the game is like WoW in its need for balancing, you can’t change that without removing the classes altogether. To hold back on balancing for fear of “Whack-a-Moling” is dangerous because there will never be a perfect balance, but the developers should always strive for perfection even if they don’t believe in it, because that is what is fair and just to the game and the players in it.

Maybe I am alone in this, but I feel that fear of this Whack-a-Mole game mentality has been a constant with Anet since this game came out, and it is hurting everybody in one way or another. It is almost as if they aren’t even trying even if we know they are.

Kudos if you managed to read all that, and feel free to touch upon any one part or the entire threat. Your feedback will make this better and possibly get some of the things on here considered.

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Posted by: Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025

Absolute class balance has been achieved in PvE.

Every profession can do everything, naked, no matter what. Any group of five professions with any set of skills can eventually clear all content. What changes is the time it takes, and the amount of dying you do on the way.

How far that little candle throws its beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world.
- William Shakespear

Class Overhauls or Expansions.

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Posted by: Nova.8021

Nova.8021

Absolute class balance has been achieved in PvE.

Every profession can do everything, naked, no matter what. Any group of five professions with any set of skills can eventually clear all content. What changes is the time it takes, and the amount of dying you do on the way.

So it doesn’t bother you that the classes that can do it best are for an apparent elite few?

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Posted by: DreamOfACure.4382

DreamOfACure.4382

So it doesn’t bother you that the classes that can do it best are for an apparent elite few?

This is an issue of dungeon design, not profession balance.
Bosses being too simplistic, leading to there only being a need for raw damage is the only flaw here.

And it isn’t even a big flaw, because it only applies to X number of dungeons.
There are dungeons where Warriors aren’t favorable at all.

Example:

Sorrow’s Embrace Path 2’s final boss requires constant kiting and ranged DPS.
In this case, Warriors (who have excel at melee dps) would not be ideal.

It would be better to have Rangers and the other professions who are slightly more adept at ranged damage. (As well as professions who excel with CC)

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Class Overhauls or Expansions.

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Posted by: Nova.8021

Nova.8021

Sorrow’s Embrace Path 2’s final boss requires constant kiting and ranged DPS.
In this case, Warriors (who have excel at melee dps) would not be ideal.

It would be better to have Rangers and the other professions who are slightly more adept at ranged damage. (As well as professions who excel with CC)

Maybe I am missing something here, as it is true the warrior has less CC, but if you put a rifle in that warriors hands he will undoubtedly do more ranged damage. How is this fair?

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Posted by: Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025

Absolute class balance has been achieved in PvE.

Every profession can do everything, naked, no matter what. Any group of five professions with any set of skills can eventually clear all content. What changes is the time it takes, and the amount of dying you do on the way.

So it doesn’t bother you that the classes that can do it best are for an apparent elite few?

It doesn’t bother me at all. This is Arenanet, the people who made Guild Wars. If you played that game for long, you’d be used to this by now. For their entire game, one profession was always significantly better at everything in PvE than everybody else. If you wanted to complete high end content easily and quickly and get rich, you were a 55 monk, then you were a Shadowform assassin, then you used your heroes and ran a 600/smite team. If you wanted to do something different, that was ok. It just meant that you took longer to get less rewards than people taking advantage of the easy way.

As for the above posters that I didn’t get to quote. Yeah, you use a rifle warrior, not a ranger. Everyone has ranged dps and cc, and can do everything else possible in the entire game. Warriors are used simply because they offer the most effective way for you to play with one finger and exploit the problems in the game design at this time.

How far that little candle throws its beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world.
- William Shakespear

(edited by Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025)