Direct trade system
This has been requested so many times. It is disappointing Anet isn’t acknowledging the demand.
Direct Trade is not needed the mail system is perfect you can mail and pick up items from any where in the word, there is a Trade market in which you can post items ANYwhere in the world, there is no need for direct trade, this in fact helps cut down on gold sellers and allows Anet to better track who is buying gold through the mail system. Trade is not needed and there has yet to be a argument that states otherwise.
It’s pretty simple.
Player to Player bartering has always been a large part of the social dynamic of any mmorpg. Requiring players to use the mechanic of convienience (the trading post) to trade with other players at a 15% loss (tax) to the seller is absurd. I wouldn’t go down to a consignment store to sell a flat screen i own for 400$ when i have to pay the consignment person 100$ to sell it for me if I know someone who is willing to pay me 350$. But I also am not going to mail that person the television in the hopes that they will pay me the 350$ they agreed upon.
The trade window provides this security since there are no courts or cops to enforce our verbal agreements.
At the very least if we are not going to get player to player trade windows we need to be given the option to mark a mail COD so that the recipient can not recieve the attachments until they have paid the requested COD amount.
It isnt that Anet TRIED to do something different.
It isnt that Anet wanted to do this to PROTECT us.
It IS that Anet fails to see that their idea failed and are not willing to change.
P2P trading is a staple MMO aspect and the attempt to nullify the need for it failed in a big way. If they dont make the change, this will shorten the lifespan of the game for more than a few people.
You say its a Staple MMO aspect , Anet doesnt want to be just another MMO they are thinking outside of the box and dont want Trading in this game.
I will admit CoD in mail will be benefical to this but as of right now Trading is not needed.
And im sorry but the fact people cant trade wont affect how many people play this game. This game is doing EXTREMELY well and trading is having little if no influence on peoples choice to play the game or not. There is bigger stuff out there that actually matters that anet needs to be working on other than Trade that a small % of the game population claims this is a deal breaker.
Anet doesnt want to be just another MMO they are thinking outside of the box
Uhm…. exactly how are they thinking outside the box? Thinking outside the box implies innovation, improvement, progress. Removing the security of player to player transactions is none of these. The part about mmos that appeals to the masses is the social nature of the game. Your taking away a huge social part of the game by requiring players to go through a forced third party to trade goods.
This is just simply a poor decision on their part.
Players are going to start trading in map more and more frequently as inflation occurs in the game. They are not going to be willing to pay 60s to the post on a 4 gold item when they can sell it to someone for 10s less than the trading post and still make 50s more because they didnt pay the exhorbinant tax.
When people get scammed who do you think they are going to cry to? Anet. Even if they don’t help players, players will still cry to them and in the end anet will be faced with three options. Spend an exhorbinant amount of time resolving these scamming issues (which is what they are and will have to do), implement said suggestions anyways, or face a PR nightmare as more and more people complain.
We all know how good the community as a whole is at complaining – its what we all do best.
A COD in mail system would be beautiful. Or a trade system cause honestly all the scammers in these games you know they aint going to live up to their word trusting in mail.
I agree with both of you;
A direct trade system has been a key method used by gold sellers for sometime, opening this up just makes it easier for them with little to no tracking.
However, Sonickat is 100% right on the Trading Post tax which all but kills profit on all but the most rare items.
Mail other the other hand has several advantages to direct trade, many which I am sure others have pointed out, the only problem is lack of COD. For the most part the honor system with players works, I myself have bought and sold using the current mail system. However there is a certain amount of anxiety when trading like this, its just not a secure system.
No direct trading, please.
I will admit CoD in mail will be benefical to this but as of right now Trading is not needed.
Seeing as how many people are wanting it…you are wrong.
Need is based on want, and there are plenty of people that WANT it. And seeing as how they seem to just LOVE taking down the trade post…it leaves the ENTIRE playerbase with NO WAY TO TRADE outside of placing yourself at GREAT RISK of being scammed since there is no way to trade safely without it.
@Apostle
With that sort of thinking I’m assuming you like being able to say you’ll pay for something without having to send the money back right?
A Player-to-Player Trade system is needed so that the Trade can be viewed by both parties, the item is ‘on the table’ so to speak and the money is also. If one wishes to pull out, they can and the deal is off.
The Mail system is kitteny at best, you have to trust people, usually complete strangers, that they will send you what you asked for in exchange. And as much as we would all like to think that everyone is trust worthy and will do it the fact is this isn’t face-to-face and your never going to see them again and most people are just scumbags.
I cannot overstate how much a Player-To-Player Trade System is needed. Even if it were just an expansion on the Mail System, not necessarily face to face.
You say its a Staple MMO aspect , Anet doesnt want to be just another MMO they are thinking outside of the box and dont want Trading in this game.
Arena Net need to not focus so much on making Gw2 as different as possible. There are so many aspects of this game that make it stand out and above every other MMO out there but using successful mechanics from MMO’s shouldn’t be out of the question, they aren’t trying to make a brand kitten new Genre of gamekitten It has to be an MMO like no other, which is a fine goal. What I don’t think they realize is that it can be like no other while still using tried and true mechanics.
Anyway, a P2P Trading system is needed in the near future, or a COD as mentioned earlier. Anyone that states otherwise is arguing for the sake of kitten arguing as having a trade system would not be a negative in any way, shape or form to any part of the game.
I don’t buy into the whole gold seller argument.
The gold sellers are going to abuse any system no matter how you make it. The argument of being able to track auction house transactions but not player to player trades is absurd. It’s a simple matter of programming the P2P trades to log their transactions.
We have to assume mail and trade post transactions are being logged right now. So this logging would be no additional database space as it’s simply replacing one transaction record with another type.
Gold Sellers make the largest bulk of their gold from exploits, botting, hacks, and hacked accounts. Not from playing the market for minor profit margins. The opportunity cost to play the market if you have access to hacked accounts and bots is rediculously high. Why try to make gold when you can just steal someone elses or have a farm of bots out running around the world killing stuff for free money that’s 100% profit and no risk? You wouldn’t.
Hence the embargos on P2P transactions only affects players who are interested in using the trade to make in game money. Doesn’t really make sense.