Guild Wars 2

There was a big discussion on this BWE2 and some in BWE1 even less in BWE3. I think that due to it is available in the trading post now most people do not mind that it is character unlocked. Thus why It has not changed. There are a few people that would still like it account bound.

Also if they do make them account bound they will have to pull them from the trading post to keep there value. Meaning that everyone will be forced to get all dyes to get the dye they want. Yes it is technically possible for them to be account unlocked and still in the trading post. But may not be the best for the economy.

Personally as they are available in the trading post I am having more fun with them that way.

I’m not recommending they remove them from trading post nor the gem store.

As I’m sure people who want certain colors and can’t seem to come across them by themselves would want to or should be able to purchase them somewhere.

I just don’t personally agree with the argument that once they are account bound, that people won’t continue to buy them. (There will always be new people joining the game or someone who didn’t have that specific dye that wanted to purchase it. IMO)

That might actually give some value to them also, because as a ‘one time’ purchase, they’d actually be worth a lot more to people.

I have to say no to this. I like the way it is right now. Transferring dye to account-wide would take away one aspect of a RPG and remove another thing to “collect”. I have no problem with this and it would make individual characters less attractive/interesting.

I agree to making them account wide. Spending nearly 5g on ONE dye for it to be only usable on one character is a bit much.

I was just thinking this to myself as well… even if you can make your own dye’s through cooking… It’s such a time/money sink to collect them for one toon let alone for the people like me attempting to master every class.

I made my first alt today, and i was really disappointed that all of my dyes aren’t there. There are A LOT of them, and collecting them all over again is a huge waste of time and resources as i don’t buy them from the TP. I either find them randomly or i spend $$ to get them.
My best friend had the same reaction. I really thought they would be account wide.

I’m also for account wide. (Note: not saying it has to change, just saying it as a suggestion I’m strongly supporting since BWE1)

My reason for this opinion: Then I could buy the gems, get the dyes unlocked for all 7 characters and be done with it. It’s partly a completionist thing and partly the joy I take from the aesthetics of the game.
I won’t spent a pence on character bound dyes, so I have to rely on random drops from monsters and gathering nodes. The trading post is also not really an option because 319 dyes for 7 characters will have me bankrupt before I even get one character outfitted with only my favourite dyes.

I think it would be best if they made it account bound upon use. So that if you open it and you don’t want to use it, you can still sell it or give it to someone else, ect. ect. But if you would like to use it, it would become account bound and usable on all characters you have.

Agree. Please make them account bound!

They’re not going to make them account bound because they are sold at the gem store and they want you to spend cash on something. Simple as that.

no, there are too many dyes being generated as is. Unless ANet wants to cut WAY back on the amount of dyes generated (which will mean all dyes will cost 50+ silver and rare 10+ gold), no.

Why? Because ANet only makes money when we purchase gems. Cut off one source of revenue, you lower or slow all future game development.

Most dyes cost 50 copper, the rares costing maybe 1 gold to 2-3 gold for Abyss. The current system is fine and will still saturate the market at this current rate.

They’ve already been over this a million times, and they’ve already given us the final answer that it is not going to happen. Get over it, folks. In GW we lived with getting a single dye for every piece of equipment we wore, this is heaven in comparison.

Grimm.8236:

I agree to making them account wide. Spending nearly 5g on ONE dye for it to be only usable on one character is a bit much.

There is no dye costing that much. And if you don’t want to do it, don’t. No one is forcing you to. Buy a similar shade and move on. People who are obsessive over little details will always pay more.

This isn’t about ‘who will pay more’.

We paid for the game already.

I’m getting kind of tired of the people who always see dollar signs or profit in every little thing. Simply put, there is a whole palette of colors to shade your armor with, and they put a small pile of them in the game as dyes you could ‘earn’ by finding or purchasing.

The fact that they ‘also’ sell them in the Real Life money store should not mean they all of a sudden become something you have to purchase for every single character you make.

As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather quit the game and take my money elsewhere if they are going to become like the other game stores that try and nickel and dime every feature of a game.

I have quit games for less, and went and funded others, because they refused to listen to what the players want.

Grimm.8236:

I agree to making them account wide. Spending nearly 5g on ONE dye for it to be only usable on one character is a bit much.

I think the major problem would be that due to the demand going down, the drop rate will be reduced, and the prices would go up. that 5g dye, will now be a 15 or 20 gold dye.

Guys, you do know that you can add dye to favorites and they will be available for ALL characters, right? Ofc you will not be able to set them all as favorites, but its big enough to make players happy

When I tried that it wouldn’t apply.

I honestly thought they were account wide when I first used one. I thought it was the silliest thing ever when I realized it was character only

I like your idea, but if they were account bound then eventually everyone would get them, and the only people that you can see them to would be new players.

I would like to see them as account only, particularly my few rare dyes.

Across 5 characters, the complete set racks me up to something like 2000 dyes. That’s hypothetical maximum, I don’t actually plan on doing that.

I can see the arguments for character based though and after collecting some totally random colours, it’s not as bad as I expected.

But please lower the drop rate for all these bloody pink ones!

Why would you want to have “all” colors even on the alts, you can not use more than 3 or 4 colors simultanously anyway (unless you want to look like a rainbow)? I will collect all colors I can get my hands on (eg. find myself) on my main and then decide which colors are good enough to be collected/bought again for my alts. I think the system works well as it is.

I have a real love/hate relationship with the current dye system. I understand the reason for character only upon use, but for my personally the drop rate really sucks. I’ve played every day since the 3 day head start and have found maybe 6 dyes total? Yeah, I know there is crafting and the TP, but I have better things to spend gold on. I wish it was account-wide simply so I don’t have to go through the same process on every single character, but it’s not going to kill my game if it never happens. For now I just make the best of the given situation.

Unfortunately, most of the colors that HAVE dropped for me are these really horrible pinks and greens, but I did find a few usable ones. To be honest, it’s just the collector in me that wants account-wide so I can say I have all the dyes and don’t have to repeat the process 8 times.

I can understand why players want dyes account bound, but arenanet said that this isn’t going to get changed, so I REALLY don’t see the point in making yet another pointless thread about it.

Most dyes are sold for under 1 silver in the trading post anyway, so it’s not like it’s really hard to get them.

The options are, realisticially:

1. Make dyes account bound, and nerf dye drops/crafting rolls to maintain dye economy.
2. Keep the current insanely high (compared to GW1) drop rate and have actual fun when dyes drop on all your characters.

Personally I’m very much against anything in MMOs that is “account bound” outside of a shared bank. It takes away from the importance and investment of time and care in to individual characters, and in my opinion creates a much more boring experience when you befriend the operator of five to twenty different “toons” than one “guy I met outside that cave that one time”

Not everyone feels the way I do about it, but most people tend to have a “main” and “alts” in these games for a reason. Players want to, and should, develop and invest in characters. The more things you turn in to auto-twinking (even if they’re cosmetic) the less important each character becomes.

nah, its fine how it is, Anet get an income from BLTP, people who buy dyes with gems get a gold income, people who sell dye drops get gold to buy gems…

Its good for the economy to leave it character bound only.

This is the ‘appropriate’ forum for the discussion. If you feel the thread is ‘pointless’, don’t read it.

As for wanting ‘all’ colors, I don’t. There’s quite a few shades of colors that I’ll probably just throw up on the trading post later when I get around to sorting them out. Right now they just keep getting moved around and sitting there since I feel they aren’t use-able in their current state.

I really don’t want to use them and have them look different than they do when actually on the armor. Sometimes that happens. It doesn’t translate well to certain mesh skins (armor). Then I’ll have wasted it and not be able to try it on another character without having to purchase another one.

(Which might not cost a lot to you folks who raced to 80 and have a main to supply you with money, but for those of us who keep remaking new alts and slowly working our way up it’s a different matter.)

I’m personally fine with the dyes that you find being character bound, but if you want me to buy any with gems then they would have to be account bound.

I am personally fine with the current system, however would like a slight upgrade in two ways. First to be able to link the colors we have from the dyes page so we can show off the color after using. and second would be that if we already have the color we can use it and apply it to one of our other characters without logging out and having to transfer thru the bank.

I know laziness on my part but i actually seem to get dyes at a pretty good clip(my main has over 60) and am starting to get doubles of the commons more frequently now. plus my bank is packed. It would also help to be able to tell if all my alts have the color too without having to go thru each before selling.

So to wrap up would be nice that when you use a dye it shows a list of all your characters so you can choose who it goes to. should also help with the players that want blues for this guy and red for that.

I was a strong supporter of account-bound dyes.

But then they fixed most of the problems it had in previous betas.

You no longer have to create dyes with the silly ‘dye maker’ system that took 24 hours.

You get them quite often from drops and gathering.
You can craft them with cooking.
So it’s not a feature mostly paid with gems. With gems you just get them faster.

You can use them with any character in the account.
You can sell them in the Trading Post.
So you can use the ones you want in the characters you want, and sell the rest, so other players have it even easier to get those you don’t want but they do want.
Although the average price is 60 copper, you can sometimes see common dyes sold by a player for prices as low as 4 copper!

illgot.1056:

no, there are too many dyes being generated as is. Unless ANet wants to cut WAY back on the amount of dyes generated (which will mean all dyes will cost 50+ silver and rare 10+ gold), no.

Why? Because ANet only makes money when we purchase gems. Cut off one source of revenue, you lower or slow all future game development.

Most dyes cost 50 copper, the rares costing maybe 1 gold to 2-3 gold for Abyss. The current system is fine and will still saturate the market at this current rate.

Cheapest abyss in the last couple days is 4g 88s 50c It’s rising.

Since this is a completely cosmetic thing, then it is fine the way it is. Cosmetic options are perfect for the gem store. It does not affect the gameplay in any way, so it’s fine as it is.

More gem usage for Anet, is good for all of us in the end.

Eochaidh.4106:

Grimm.8236:

I agree to making them account wide. Spending nearly 5g on ONE dye for it to be only usable on one character is a bit much.

There is no dye costing that much. And if you don’t want to do it, don’t. No one is forcing you to. Buy a similar shade and move on. People who are obsessive over little details will always pay more.

Quite a few dyes actually cost this much. Check out the blacks and whites.

I still don’t think dye should be account bound though…I understand why they have it character bound. Getting a lucky dye drop was always a good way to make money in GW1

i do think they should be account bound, more people will play GW2 and want to collect the dyes so it will still be going around for sale. just helps you customize your alts along with all the other account bound stuff

I’m all for them being account bound on use. People will still sell dyes they don’t want, people will still be able to find ones they don’t have.

The other thing I’ve noticed is that there’s quite a few dropped dyes that are super close to a pre-loaded. Like Spitfire & Autumn or Breeze & Stream- they are pretty much the same colour, one’s just a tad darker.

Korn.1587:

Guys, you do know that you can add dye to favorites and they will be available for ALL characters, right? Ofc you will not be able to set them all as favorites, but its big enough to make players happy

I just put in another dye I liked to test this, and it doesn’t even put the favorite dyes across account. I’d be quite content if it put like 8 or so colors across, but it doesn’t.

Maybe that’s what they should do, make the favorite colors cross account, if they won’t make them all account bound.

I’ve begun selling off a few of the colors I really didn’t like because I’m running out of room.

Personally, I’ll never purchase a dye from the TP, ever. It’s a waste of good money. and because of this, I see the fact that it’s character bound instead of account bound a problem for someone like me who doesn’t make alts often or take them serious.

This just makes alts seem even less fun to me, and makes me wanna play em even less now.

Didn’t that one employees response/article say that they changed it to character to encourage people using different dyes? I’ve seen almost everyone using the red/black (ebony?) combo. I myself use it. They really need to go back and change it to account, so that we have more available colors.

I would like to enjoy the dye system, but with character bound dyes i find that (for me atleast) it just becomes a big hassel storing all the dyes that i come across that i cannot decide which character to have them on, and it stresses me out that i could possibly apply the dye to the wrong character and regret it later, or i could sell the dye then when i start to play an alt a year from now i am hitting myself in the head… “oh man i had that dye and i sold it!”. Also, there is no way in hell i am even going to attempt to collect the ?350? dyes on all 5 characters!
If the dyes were account wide it would alleviate my concerns and i would totally buy into the “gotta get them all!” mentality. But the way the system is now ive gotten to the point that when i get a dye i just take a glance at it and then toss it up on the tradeing post instead of stressing about what to do with it, It really sucks that i am not enjoying this part of the game but this IS a GAME and i should be enjoying myself, not stressing over what to do with a specific color of pixels…. Depending on how many people out there have the same feelings about the system as i do, having dyes character bound could possibly be detremental to the sale of dye packs on the gem shop. Also, I know that having the dyes character bound is pushing many players away from enjoying the system, and isnt that whats really important? The Players.
Only suggestion i have here is to make dyes account wide but reduce the drop rate so it is still a feat to collect all the dyes but then you wont have to worry about storeing them or getting them on the right character when you do get them.

Would love this though they want it to represent you character’s development.

Can’t believe they changed it from account bound to character bound :/.

Personally I like them bound to charcter, makes it more challenging and makes the dye more valuable and rare. You could potnetially have up to 10 characters. have each earn there way I say.

I think if you watch the forum or talk about it with ppl ingame (that play the game instead of comming to the forum) you will notice that ALOT of people want to see them account bound. I am also one of them.

I have the dye’s that i unlocked so far on my main, but then I switch to my alts and think sjasbat -.- I do not have dye options here (Because I can use my gold on other things then buy each freaking dye for each of my chara).

Korn.1587:

Guys, you do know that you can add dye to favorites and they will be available for ALL characters, right?

That’s a big Negative there good buddy.

Just checked it out, put some dyes on Favorites on my Mesmer, went to my Ranger and Favorites is empty.

That’s really a pity too. I’d accept that as a reasonable compromise. Of course that comes with its own issues, like what happens when you put a color on Fav from one character use it on another, then remove it from Favs on the first?

I’m on the fence on this one. I never buy dyes for my characters. What they find is what they get. If the character that collected it already knows it, it goes in my bank so my other characters can learn it. Sometimes I do wish that a really cool dye I found on one character would be available to my other characters.

I’m fine with the system as it is. Dyes drop fairly regularly, so you can either use the colours you like, or sell them to buy the ones you want.

As an altoholic myself, so far I’ve been setting a colour scheme for each character, and channelling different colours to different characters. My green dyes go to one, grey to another, brown to a third, etc. I’ve had enough duplicates to sell some, and have the same colour on multiple characters a few times.

I know it can be frustrating at times, especially if you have a feeling you will re-roll, but dyes are not hard to come by, and most of the spectrum is available just for copper on the Trading Post. Additionally, cooking enables you to craft dyes yourself, and the materials used are account wide.

I tend not to delete characters as freely as the OP, but I have deleted them in the past, and I will say this, when you delete a character, that’s your choice. If you have a feeling you are likely to re-roll characters, why not just sell your valauable dyes and only use the common/uncommon ones? The variety of those colours is broad enough IMO.

Much better the way the are doing it now. I’m an altaholic and love getting and assigning dyes to my different characters – they don’t all want to dress in black anyway. Make the dyes account bound and you soon remove all the interest from the dye system, unless you massively reduce the drop rate and make them untradable.

UP!

I want it account bounded too. I usually play a character for a few months, and then I have to restart the whole dye collecting thing from zero. And because of this, I don’t even start to collect dyes, just buy 1-2 what I use, and that is all. The rare dyes are way too expensive, and way too hard to get, to be only character bound.

In my opinion make it account bound as soon as possible. It wont ruin the economy, thats for sure. Since some of the dyes are already at a low price, only the best dyes has value.

@ and then I have to restart the whole dye collecting thing from zero

That’s precisely the point. If you had all the dyes when you started your new toon, then dye drops would be useless to you – and they wouldn’t fetch much on the market either, because everyone else, except a few late starters, would have them all too.

Just change your behaviour and use the dyes you collect on your current character. I’ve already found many rare & uncommon dyes and can create a more original look, since everyone doesn’t have exactly the same dyes too.

This is just another example of people wanting everything in the game on a plate – but when they get it they then complain that there is nothing left to do or that the rewards aren’t good enough.

We don’t grind for gear, or ability-related items. We don’t grind for skills (Age of Conan anyone, yuck!) We don’t grind for money (since the things we do grind for don’t really cost money).

We grind for crafting mats.

We grind for achievements.

We grind for dye.

The things that we grind for aren’t game-altering in such a way that gives you a tangible advantage over other players who have not done those things, and I think that’s how it should be. Dye is something that we grind for, on each character, and I much much much MUCH prefer that to having to grind for gear.

Eryndis.5094:

UP!

I want it account bounded too. I usually play a character for a few months, and then I have to restart the whole dye collecting thing from zero. And because of this, I don’t even start to collect dyes, just buy 1-2 what I use, and that is all. The rare dyes are way too expensive, and way too hard to get, to be only character bound.

In my opinion make it account bound as soon as possible. It wont ruin the economy, thats for sure. Since some of the dyes are already at a low price, only the best dyes has value.

They’ve already said it won’t be when a lot more people asked months ago. It just won’t happen. No point on insisting on this.