Guild Wars 2

A shout out to Anet and those with similar concerns -

I am absolutely in love with GWII and have dedicated a very large amount of time into playing this game. I’ve spent a bit of real life money for gem store items, have even bought your ‘Edge of Destiny’ novel and look forward to buying the other book as well, upon everything else the in-game world has to offer. What tops everything is my quest to obtain the legendary greatsword, Sunrise. I have spent endless hours farming, crafting, and hunting dragons to achieve this goal …

Although there have already been many voiced concerns on legendary specific issues, such as precursor drop rate, I knew what I was getting into when beginning this quest, so I can’t complain! What I do find unreasonable and utterly frustrating is the fact that people are buying legendaries off of the trading post. How can you tell the legit, hardworking legendary users from the none? You can’t. One could argue that making the several thousand gold coins to buy a legendary from the TP requires hard work as well, but I can not express how many times I’ve heard of or talked to people who make that amount of money at an ungodly pace; this makes me wonder if they made their gold illegally. I spend hours farming day after day and have no idea how someone can legally make that kind of money so quickly. People will have their methods, regardless how it’s done, I just know that my gold farming ways are done correctly which makes this all the more frustrating.

I hope and don’t mean to drag on if I am! In fact I never wanted to write this letter in the first place, but it’s just become too much of a concern for me and those in my guild also questing hard for their legendary. Therefore, please, please strongly consider taking away to option of buying legendaries off of the TP. What’s to motivate the rest of us hardworking legendary users when many others either dump tons of real life money into gems, turned into gold, or illegally purchase gold? Making a legendary is supposed to show that you, the user, have mastered every area of the game and got a super awesome weapon to prove it. To simply buy it off of the TP completely goes against this founding idea.

I am already so close to obtaining Sunrise, but now the thought of actually having it isn’t so pleasing.

~ Undead Pally

I agree, even though I understand the premise behind adding them to TP, as it is to allow the casual player to the ability to gain a legendary. With that said and also noting that there is a lot of aspect in this game that are done great to allow the hard core player to enjoy and the casual player to enjoy. Legedaries should not be one of those things that everyone can get like that.

lets face it Legendaires have no real value outside of cosmetic looks and or to mitigation build characters. The stats are generic and offer no real advantage to the diversity of builds, when 90% of the time Exotic weapons are better stats than Legendariers.

I think that if someone wants to obtain a legendary they need to realize the process and time length in getting it. If the hard core player takes 2 months to farm and gain everything why should it take a CC jockey 30 seconds? This is one aspect of the game I wish they would make purely farm based, as it is purely cosmetic and holds no real statistical value to game mechanic superiority.

Although with that all said and done I also realize that Arena Net gains a 10% profit I believe off of TP so that 2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot. So in a way I understand the methods of why, I just don’t necessary agree with them.

Kaimick.5109:

Although with that all said and done I also realize that Arena Net gains a 10% profit I believe off of TP so that 2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot. So in a way I understand the methods of why, I just don’t necessary agree with them.

Lol what? Those 10% from TP isn’t ArenaNets profit, what would they need virtual gold for? They already own all of the gold in the game and they can generate more at will, they do not profit from gold, it’s just there to balance the economy.

Doomguard.5094:

Kaimick.5109:

Although with that all said and done I also realize that Arena Net gains a 10% profit I believe off of TP so that 2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot. So in a way I understand the methods of why, I just don’t necessary agree with them.

Lol what? Those 10% from TP isn’t ArenaNets profit, what would they need virtual gold for? They already own all of the gold in the game and they can generate more at will, they do not profit from gold, it’s just there to balance the economy.

Really, I constantly say people need to learn to read more and you have proven my case thank you. At the end of your post you state why arena net takes a portion out of the TP transactions.

it’s just there to balance the economy

This is very observant of you, although if you actually read my post you would have seen this

2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot.

Hmmm looks like the same thing was said, please try reading before you decided to retort to something and say the exact same thing.

Also it is profit to a degree, if they are taking 200 gold out of the economy to help balance it from a 2k transaction then they have a way to turn around and sell that 200 gold to players through the gem store exchange. Now it is not a sure profit release as it requires players to purchase gem cards, although making more gold to put into the market is counter productive and destroys the the market with inflation. So in turn Gold sinks in this case in which ever form the company decided to implement it is considered a profit margin for the company, it just happens that this profit margin also helps maintain and balance the in game economy from over inflating.

Kaimick.5109:

Doomguard.5094:

Kaimick.5109:

Although with that all said and done I also realize that Arena Net gains a 10% profit I believe off of TP so that 2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot. So in a way I understand the methods of why, I just don’t necessary agree with them.

Lol what? Those 10% from TP isn’t ArenaNets profit, what would they need virtual gold for? They already own all of the gold in the game and they can generate more at will, they do not profit from gold, it’s just there to balance the economy.

Really, I constantly say people need to learn to read more and you have proven my case thank you. At the end of your post you state why arena net takes a portion out of the TP transactions.

it’s just there to balance the economy

This is very observant of you, although if you actually read my post you would have seen this

2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot.

Hmmm looks like the same thing was said, please try reading before you decided to retort to something and say the exact same thing.

Also it is profit to a degree, if they are taking 200 gold out of the economy to help balance it from a 2k transaction then they have a way to turn around and sell that 200 gold to players through the gem store exchange. Now it is not a sure profit release as it requires players to purchase gem cards, although making more gold to put into the market is counter productive and destroys the the market with inflation. So in turn Gold sinks in this case in which ever form the company decided to implement it is considered a profit margin for the company, it just happens that this profit margin also helps maintain and balance the in game economy from over inflating.

Are you out of your mind?!
Anet profits from TP fees… lol
They can balance the economy with it yes that’s right but they defenitely don’t profit with it when they put it in gem store exchange :P
It is a program…. they can get as many gold as they kitten want…. There is no virtual Bank that keeps Anet money……….. It’s a game dude =)
You write a program, someone exchanges gems for gold, the program reacts to it and creates gold for the buyer…..

By the way… I like the legendary system and I already have my incinerator and I didn’t buy it on TP….
The only thing that needs fixing is the precursor….

Artemis.6283:

Kaimick.5109:

Doomguard.5094:

Kaimick.5109:

Although with that all said and done I also realize that Arena Net gains a 10% profit I believe off of TP so that 2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot. So in a way I understand the methods of why, I just don’t necessary agree with them.

Lol what? Those 10% from TP isn’t ArenaNets profit, what would they need virtual gold for? They already own all of the gold in the game and they can generate more at will, they do not profit from gold, it’s just there to balance the economy.

Are you out of your mind?!
Anet profits from TP fees… lol
They can balance the economy with it yes that’s right but they defenitely don’t profit with it when they put it in gem store exchange :P
It is a program…. they can get as many gold as they kitten want…. There is no virtual Bank that keeps Anet money……….. It’s a game dude =)
You write a program, someone exchanges gems for gold, the program reacts to it and creates gold for the buyer…..
Really, I constantly say people need to learn to read more and you have proven my case thank you. At the end of your post you state why arena net takes a portion out of the TP transactions.

it’s just there to balance the economy

This is very observant of you, although if you actually read my post you would have seen this

2k legendary takes a lot of Gold out of the economy, even at 5% it is a lot.

Hmmm looks like the same thing was said, please try reading before you decided to retort to something and say the exact same thing.

Also it is profit to a degree, if they are taking 200 gold out of the economy to help balance it from a 2k transaction then they have a way to turn around and sell that 200 gold to players through the gem store exchange. Now it is not a sure profit release as it requires players to purchase gem cards, although making more gold to put into the market is counter productive and destroys the the market with inflation. So in turn Gold sinks in this case in which ever form the company decided to implement it is considered a profit margin for the company, it just happens that this profit margin also helps maintain and balance the in game economy from over inflating.

First off this is about legendary weapons not in game gold, secondly I guess the $50 gem cards that are used to purchase gold are not a profit for Arena Net. But your right they don’t turn any profit at all from any gold sink they have in the game.

Secondly stay on topic

Lastly your right it is a game, although you should realize that Arena Net has actually hired Economist to over see the games economy. So why create more gold, when you can recycle it. LOL anyhow back on topic

I am glad you have your legendary I have one also and no I didn’t purchase it off of TP, although that is not what this thread is about it is about the ability to purchase a legendary off TP.

Undead Pally.7941:

One could argue that making the several thousand gold coins to buy a legendary from the TP requires hard work as well, but I can not express how many times I’ve heard of or talked to people who make that amount of money at an ungodly pace; this makes me wonder if they made their gold illegally. I spend hours farming day after day and have no idea how someone can legally make that kind of money so quickly. People will have their methods, regardless how it’s done, I just know that my gold farming ways are done correctly which makes this all the more frustrating.

Well, by “ungodly pace” I am not quite sure what you mean. But with just around 8 FotM runs I can net 10g. Give or take a few. Then, if I bothered farming the BLTC again, I could generate at the very least a 5% increase in my total gold daily. Some people can even do 50% on a very lucky day. (And very little gold to start with, obv. :P )
So lets say I do 15 FotM runs a day and get around 20g out of that. After 5 days, even if I started from 0 I’d already be generating 10 additional gold coins from the BLTC daily. (Increasing every day.)
It wouldn’t take too long to gain huge amounts of gold totally legit.

Kaimick.5109:

I agree, even though I understand the premise behind adding them to TP, as it is to allow the casual player to the ability to gain a legendary. .

Legendaries arn’t a requirement to play this game, so it shouldn’t be something a “casual” player can buy, literlly. There are too many games out there that just make endgame (skins being gw2 endgame, not a bad system actually) with a purchase price. There things should be worked for, especially if they are only optional and offer no real benefit other than to look cool. Some things are fine to be bought but for how awesome legendaries sound and some look, they arn’t living up to their title the way they are now.

Removing their TP value would be a start but future legendaries need some adventure or story to be told while getting it, not melting metals and some dungeon items and “lavateh las manos! you got a legendary!” World completion requirement for legendaries was a great idea but everything else is just grinded or bought. Sure it takes time, but I’m sure many who don’t want to work on a legendary choose to because it would mean spending weeks/months grinding for items that would bore them half way and just give up.

Fred Fargone.3127:

Undead Pally.7941:

One could argue that making the several thousand gold coins to buy a legendary from the TP requires hard work as well, but I can not express how many times I’ve heard of or talked to people who make that amount of money at an ungodly pace; this makes me wonder if they made their gold illegally. I spend hours farming day after day and have no idea how someone can legally make that kind of money so quickly. People will have their methods, regardless how it’s done, I just know that my gold farming ways are done correctly which makes this all the more frustrating.

Well, by “ungodly pace” I am not quite sure what you mean. But with just around 8 FotM runs I can net 10g. Give or take a few. Then, if I bothered farming the BLTC again, I could generate at the very least a 5% increase in my total gold daily. Some people can even do 50% on a very lucky day. (And very little gold to start with, obv. :P )
So lets say I do 15 FotM runs a day and get around 20g out of that. After 5 days, even if I started from 0 I’d already be generating 10 additional gold coins from the BLTC daily. (Increasing every day.)
It wouldn’t take too long to gain huge amounts of gold totally legit.

lol I mean like when a person farms and gets like super amounts of gold in a day. Kind of hard for me to say in amounts of gold – I’m just familiar with knowing people who get very expensive items or tons of expensive materials within a blink of an eye, pretty much literally! Which makes it look really shady … And yes I can get about 20g in a day if a really sit down and don’t have anything in RL distracting my time. It’s the acquiring gold at an alarming rate, not the natural way of which you speak! :P

NinjaEd.3946:

Kaimick.5109:

I agree, even though I understand the premise behind adding them to TP, as it is to allow the casual player to the ability to gain a legendary. .

Legendaries arn’t a requirement to play this game, so it shouldn’t be something a “casual” player can buy, literlly. There are too many games out there that just make endgame (skins being gw2 endgame, not a bad system actually) with a purchase price. There things should be worked for, especially if they are only optional and offer no real benefit other than to look cool. Some things are fine to be bought but for how awesome legendaries sound and some look, they arn’t living up to their title the way they are now.

Removing their TP value would be a start but future legendaries need some adventure or story to be told while getting it, not melting metals and some dungeon items and “lavateh las manos! you got a legendary!” World completion requirement for legendaries was a great idea but everything else is just grinded or bought. Sure it takes time, but I’m sure many who don’t want to work on a legendary choose to because it would mean spending weeks/months grinding for items that would bore them half way and just give up.

The other day one of my guild mates said they ran across a guy who said he was working towards map completion … and he was wielding Twilight. Anet did mention that they were going to have some sort of quest line for precursors but more than likely far off into the distant future.

As for the whole economy and money system I believe it needs work as well but that’s for another topic :P I guess why I included the gold part was my frustration in having my precursor be almost 600g (and rising over time) and thinking “how in the world am I going to be able to save 600g?” I know it can be done … but for how long is what I’m worried about. I don’t want to wait ages to complete my legendary when cheats run around with them; but thank you legit legendary users for doing your thing

NinjaEd.3946:

Kaimick.5109:

I agree, even though I understand the premise behind adding them to TP, as it is to allow the casual player to the ability to gain a legendary. .

Legendaries arn’t a requirement to play this game, so it shouldn’t be something a “casual” player can buy, literlly. There are too many games out there that just make endgame (skins being gw2 endgame, not a bad system actually) with a purchase price. There things should be worked for, especially if they are only optional and offer no real benefit other than to look cool. Some things are fine to be bought but for how awesome legendaries sound and some look, they arn’t living up to their title the way they are now.

Removing their TP value would be a start but future legendaries need some adventure or story to be told while getting it, not melting metals and some dungeon items and “lavateh las manos! you got a legendary!” World completion requirement for legendaries was a great idea but everything else is just grinded or bought. Sure it takes time, but I’m sure many who don’t want to work on a legendary choose to because it would mean spending weeks/months grinding for items that would bore them half way and just give up.

This is what I was trying to say, Thanks Ninja, Legendary should not be something that can be bought, as it is not a crucial end all piece of gear it is purely cosmetic. Make the casual work for it not be a CC jokey. Although Like I said before I see the benefits of them on TP Arena Net style
A: gold sink
B: allows them to turn a profit through Gem store with out creating extra currency in the game to over inflate it. Smart system they have there but I think there are plenty of other Gold sinks out there to not necessarily have this one. One of my friends and I sat down and figured that if X players in one hour purchased 10 copper worth of items from the TP at the end of the day they could roughly make around $1250.00 a day in conversion of gem cards. Now I am not saying Arena Net takes all profit form Gold sinks and does this but any logical person has to see them doing this. Again though this is not about gold sinks or about profit margins it is about legendary weapons, this just explains in my opinion why Arena Net is doing it.

Undead Pally.7941:

As for the whole economy and money system I believe it needs work as well but that’s for another topic :P I guess why I included the gold part was my frustration in having my precursor be almost 600g (and rising over time) and thinking “how in the world am I going to be able to save 600g?” I know it can be done … but for how long is what I’m worried about. I don’t want to wait ages to complete my legendary when cheats run around with them; but thank you legit legendary users for doing your thing

I am going to comment on both your post,

First one:

Arena Net has talked about opening a quest line to get their Precursors, and I thought this was great, and I agree no one knows when they are releasing it. Although somewhere on the forums and I can’t find it now they talked about the quest lines being released in the February bombardment of Patches. Although weather that still holds true not sure. I also suggested that in teh quest lines for example.
You do 10 quest on your 9th Quest line you gain the precursor of your selected quest ( and make the quest super hard lol ), When you gain it you have a choice to pick X stats
E.G.
Power, Precision, Crit
Power, Toughness, Condition Damage
Precision, Vitality, Healing power
Which ever one you pick that is what the precursor holds and then when you make your legendary those are the stats that are present on them with a slight increase. That way it makes the legendary unique to the player and beneficial unlike now the
Power, Toughness, Vitally which is only really truly beneficial to the Mitigation spec professions

Your second post:

I don’t think the Economy in this game needs work honestly, Look at WoW right now most things are well over 1k gold and making 2k gold is simple. Because Blizzard just kept making more gold and throwing it into the economy and many other factors it created a Inflation, most decent Items in WoW run around 50k gold. On Arena Nets part from the developers them self they actually went out and Hired Economist, actual people that graduated from Collage with a degree in Economy just to over see the Game economy. I would have love to see their faces when they got hired and got told, " So yeah your hired, you will be over seeing a games economy." "Um a video game that is not real ???? ok if your paying me lets do it " LOL

Yeah I got my Legendary shield by grinding for it, I can’t stand people that CC Jokey their way to a Legendary. To me that is like being a sup par athlete and making the gold medal in every event of the Special Olympics.