Guild Wars 2

Please make soloing & skipping Lupicus impossible. Maybe introduce a mechanic that makes Lupi reset if only 1 person is alive, or anything really.

Long term solution idea: Design a mechanic that up-scales everything if less than 4 ppl are inside the dungeon. (regardless of being dead, close/far to the party etc.)

This whole Arah selling industry is not only hurting the legit clear groups, but also its adding a lot of gold into the economy. The buyers get gold with no effort & the sellers will obviously use the earned gold, so the gold total is increasing with less player effort spent than any other activity I know. (An experienced soloer can do the run just as fast as an average group,)

This is probably the most stupid post I’ve seen in a while and that’s saying a lot…

If people are skilled enough to solo Arah and kill Lupi themselves then why not make some money on the side? Especially when it’s a service that’s in high demand. People bought dungeon runs in GW1 and nobody had a problem with it so what’s different now.

You’re basically saying that the best PvE players in this game should be punished for being good.

Also if you want a normal group then use the lfg tool, there is no issue finding people no matter what people say.

No dungeon should be soloable..Even 4 manable. Most of the bosses and dungeons are fail in this game tbh. So much trash mob so much skippable content. No challanging encounters.

So were not allowed to challenge ourselves by beating group content solo? Since dungeons have become far too easy i find it alot more fun to duo/solo arah and seeing as it takes longer I think i deserve better rewards for handicapping myself.

Sellers dont effect you and they barely effect the economy. Most of the gold effecting the ingame economy comes from the champtrain farmers (the ones who usually buy arah slots).

Lupicus skip should be fixed though. Path 2 sellers would drop off alot once its properly fixed. Leaving those who can actually solo him as the only remaining sellers.

I’m fine with people selling their services.

But, clogging the dungeon finder with advertisements for other purposes than simply looking for people doesn’t look really nice, and I think 3rd party websites and guilds should be the home for that.

Unless some social feed with several sections (dungeons, pvp, guild, wvw) was added to GW2, where you can advertise whatever you want against a small fee, to prevent heavy spam.

I have have no problem with soloing, I have a problem with ppl joining for 2 minutes getting arah tokens/dungeon master they didn’t work for.

I don’t think just because there is no content hard enough for someone the solution should be soloing.

In gw1 there were only simple running services for saving time, that was entirely different, also the money income was much less serious, even for running droknars.

And let’s not mention some of the mechanics involved in soloing p1 or p2, or when 2 ppl just kick 3 pugs to sell the run at the end.

This is a guildwars tradition and shouldn’t be altered.

The good old Drok runs, The awesome thief runners in cetain instances, “The Don’t move 1 step or everyone dies moments!” ToA runs from LA. ah man…

The difference was that people were way more relaxed and not gold or achievement driven. imo this was because we were doing it anyway so hey tag along, and if you get something good send me some gold

@ Sina you make a good point, In Guildwars the purpose fail after entry sceme was bad too, but the community handeled it well because once it was known those people were reported and dealt with. And in the end the people failing ended up paying/begging for people to join them so they could get in and reap the benefits of soloing in a scaled instance.

Guilds would pop up specializing in certain area’s of the game:
Urgoz’s clockrunners, Hard Mode, GOLD, Ca$h, ToA.. You name it, there was a guild for it somewhere.

Im not sure about the Arah mechanics or how this doesn’t seem right, but selling services in guildwars is great. heck they should implement a trading post for it.

shouldn’t be too hard.
All participants put their gold into a holding “account” and after the run they can release the gold to the recipient that set up the account where people deposited.
All participants get a confirmation of the delivered services where they confirm the completed run in case one of the participants doesn’t releases their gold.

If this doesn’t work, or all participants don’t release their gold (try to scam the provider of the service) link it to completion of the instance. like SaB coins.

(this became a more nostagic post then anything ^^)

Couldn’t disagree with OP more. As several people have stated there is no reason that people that are good enough to solo parts of dungeons should be forbidden from selling their services. It was done all the time in GW1 and is quite the tradition. It is a good way for skilled players to be rewarded for their hard work. I personally enjoy soloing the beginning part of TA with the wurms. I don’t charge people for it, but since most “squishy” people down at that part I like to challenge myself by doing it alone.

The issue that someone brought up with kicking pugs from your group so you can sell their spot is a reportable offense. That is one of the things that Anet has encouraged people to report offenders for. If someone abuses the LFG tool there is a category for that, and I’m assuming additionally harsh sanctions.

TLDR; Don’t punish talented players by making soloing impossible. If they work hard let them sell their services.

Sina.9208:

I have have no problem with soloing, I have a problem with ppl joining for 2 minutes getting arah tokens/dungeon master they didn’t work for.

I don’t think just because there is no content hard enough for someone the solution should be soloing.

In gw1 there were only simple running services for saving time, that was entirely different, also the money income was much less serious, even for running droknars.

And let’s not mention some of the mechanics involved in soloing p1 or p2, or when 2 ppl just kick 3 pugs to sell the run at the end.

And what about Duncan’s runs 50k x slots?.

and btw there are ppl that don’t use exploits in solo arah. arah is completly soloable exepct for tar in p1 and simin (sellers usually pay 1 g x person to help at tar or simin).

Heavens, I remember people ‘leaching’ off soloers in Hard Mode farming runs out of Rata Sum in Guild Wars 1. There wasn’t money involved but it benefited both sides and there was almost always people advertising In chat ‘looking for leachers’ or ‘want to leach’. This sort of thing, dungeon runs, runs to new areas, leaching/soloer teams, went on for years in Guild Wars 1 and no one that I know of complained about it. Afaik ANet is perfectly fine with it going on and they are the main ones to worry about.

oh before shadow form nerf almost every dungeon of Eye of the North was soloable involving selling and leeching.

people just want their DM title to be worth but it wouldn’t be sellers or not.
There is no difference between buying a dungeon or leeching it.

Also, resetting Lupicus if one person is alive!??? Some of my favorite Arah moments have been when one loony kiter in the party manages to rez us all and save us from a wipe… why take that fun away?

If people want to solo stuff no problem. The problem is more people selling these runs by kicking other players in the team to get paying “customers” in.

aspirine.6852:

If people want to solo stuff no problem. The problem is more people selling these runs by kicking other players in the team to get paying “customers” in.

It’s funny because that is barely happening at all.

What is happening more and more is people joining sellers and kicking them from their own instance. In fact, I’ve seen multiple people advertising that behavior on these very forums and even admitting to doing so on a regular basis, whereas I have yet to find someone who admits to kicking people at the end of a run to sell their spots.

It’s gotten so bad even that some sellers I know have to resort to filling their party with friends and letting people join 1 by 1 in order to prevent them from getting kicked.

I’ve even heard of people joining path sellers and basically saying ’you’re going to complete this path for free for us, or we’ll kick you’, essentially highjacking his run.

Yeah selling is really risky and stressful at the moment. So many trolls and griefers. Not to mention the amount of competition on eu because of the lupi skippers. And no common courtesy (undercutting when you’ve been advertising p4 for 20mins)… The sooner lupi skip is properly fixed there will be less sellers and then there will be less griefers and a cleaner looking lfg. Everyone will be happy.