Guild Wars 2

I originally posted this on the Guildwars 2 subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/15j6vg/elementalist_weapon_switch/

Elementalists/Engineers cannot have a second set of weapons equipped. It doesn’t make a big difference to me since I use staff on my elem 98% of the time.

However, I was thinking, could Elems./Engs. still have the ability to have a second set of items equipped so that the users can one-button click to change battle types? I’m not suggesting they allow these classes to change while engaged in combat like the other classes, but simply the ability to swap between play styles without having to open your hero tab and manually swap the weapons.

Real World Example: I generally play staff. However, when I’m grouped with my friends and we’re doing a map completion, Staff just can’t keep up in terms of damage dealt when fighting random mobs. I’d love it if I could just one-button click to swap to another build and back again while not engaged in combat.

In my reddit post, people popped up that those who can easily disengage from combat, switch weapons, and re-enter combat with a new build my be over-powered. I was thinking a simple counter to that argument is that in a PvP/WvWvW scenario, a cooldown is applied to the hot-swap button.

I’d love to hear more feedback on this.

ps. To the ANet employees reading this, thanks for your time, and thanks for the great game!

I think this is an excellent idea. I also play an elementalist, and use different weapon sets in different contexts. It would be a lot more convenient to have a non-combat swap system in place – it would prevent players from slowing down their groups while they access their inventories, and it would let us store our second weapons on the gear screen instead of in our bags. Just because we have 4 weapon sets in combat doesn’t mean we should have to use bag space to store extra weapons.

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Did you even read his post? He is talking about OUT of combat switching, aka a UI improvement. The only thing his request would change is him having to manually go in and equip weapons, instead of having a single button like the other 6 classes have.

Lopsang.2763:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Did you even read his post? He is talking about OUT of combat switching, aka a UI improvement. The only thing his request would change is him having to manually go in and equip weapons, instead of having a single button like the other 6 classes have.

Thats the way it’s intended to be.
Ur too lazy to open ur hero tab and do it manually?

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Lopsang.2763:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Did you even read his post? He is talking about OUT of combat switching, aka a UI improvement. The only thing his request would change is him having to manually go in and equip weapons, instead of having a single button like the other 6 classes have.

Thats the way it’s intended to be.
Ur too lazy to open ur hero tab and do it manually?

Yes, I am. It’s a pita, and something that’s relatively easy to fix. IIRC anet actually said at one point that if enough people want it, it can be added later. Their concern was that it would be too confusing to new players, having so many abilities.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Why should I learn to read when your apparently not reading your self. The OP is not asking for a in game weapon switch. He is asking for a secondary weapon slot on the hero sheet so when a character is OUT OF COMBAT he can click one button and switch his weapons. Which is no different from me opening my hero tab and dragging the weapons into slot while out of combat.

Please please read, his suggestion just removes the fact that you have to open a window and manually do it, so instead of taking 5 seconds out of combat you would take 1 second out of combat

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Why should I learn to read when your apparently not reading your self. The OP is not asking for a in game weapon switch. He is asking for a secondary weapon slot on the hero sheet so when a character is OUT OF COMBAT he can click one button and switch his weapons. Which is no different from me opening my hero tab and dragging the weapons into slot while out of combat.

Please please read, his suggestion just removes the fact that you have to open a window and manually do it, so instead of taking 5 seconds out of combat you would take 1 second out of combat

You mentioned laziness a few times in different threads. And you regret spending 4 seconds more on manually swapping weapon? Hmm, puzzling to say the least.

Seriously, troll harder, troll harder. You should keep following me around on the forums and trolling me, I obviously have made you look bad somewhere down the line so go ahead follow me please show everyone that your a troll. thanks

- Common Sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a Super Power

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Why should I learn to read when your apparently not reading your self. The OP is not asking for a in game weapon switch. He is asking for a secondary weapon slot on the hero sheet so when a character is OUT OF COMBAT he can click one button and switch his weapons. Which is no different from me opening my hero tab and dragging the weapons into slot while out of combat.

Please please read, his suggestion just removes the fact that you have to open a window and manually do it, so instead of taking 5 seconds out of combat you would take 1 second out of combat

You mentioned laziness a few times in different threads. And you regret spending 4 seconds more on manually swapping weapon? Hmm, puzzling to say the least.

Seriously, troll harder, troll harder. You should keep following me around on the forums and trolling me, I obviously have made you look bad somewhere down the line so go ahead follow me please show everyone that your a troll. thanks

- Common Sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a Super Power

I am far from trolling. Seriously.
This is your argument, against your own idea. How can this be trolling?
You’ve mentioned laziness quite a few times, and what do you suggest here? Convenience solution for super lazy people who don’t feel like opening their hero tab to swap weapons.
I disagree with it, since there is a good reason why you can’t switch weps on ele and engi. Ele has attunementes while engi has utility belts. Thats a big convenience in combat. Inability to switch wepon sets out of combat is minor disadvantage to counter that.

Now see my point? That’s not trolling. open your mind :S

And if you ask something like this, then it should be either implemented for all of the classes or noone at all.

Kaimick.5109:

The OP is not asking for a in game weapon switch. He is asking for a secondary weapon slot on the hero sheet so when a character is OUT OF COMBAT he can click one button and switch his weapons. Which is no different from me opening my hero tab and dragging the weapons into slot while out of combat.

Please please read, his suggestion just removes the fact that you have to open a window and manually do it, so instead of taking 5 seconds out of combat you would take 1 second out of combat

This!

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Why should I learn to read when your apparently not reading your self. The OP is not asking for a in game weapon switch. He is asking for a secondary weapon slot on the hero sheet so when a character is OUT OF COMBAT he can click one button and switch his weapons. Which is no different from me opening my hero tab and dragging the weapons into slot while out of combat.

Please please read, his suggestion just removes the fact that you have to open a window and manually do it, so instead of taking 5 seconds out of combat you would take 1 second out of combat

You mentioned laziness a few times in different threads. And you regret spending 4 seconds more on manually swapping weapon? Hmm, puzzling to say the least.

Seriously, troll harder, troll harder. You should keep following me around on the forums and trolling me, I obviously have made you look bad somewhere down the line so go ahead follow me please show everyone that your a troll. thanks

- Common Sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a Super Power

I am far from trolling. Seriously.
This is your argument, against your own idea. How can this be trolling?
You’ve mentioned laziness quite a few times, and what do you suggest here? Convenience solution for super lazy people who don’t feel like opening their hero tab to swap weapons.
I disagree with it, since there is a good reason why you can’t switch weps on ele and engi. Ele has attunementes while engi has utility belts. Thats a big convenience in combat. Inability to switch wepon sets out of combat is minor disadvantage to counter that.

Now see my point? That’s not trolling. open your mind :S

And if you ask something like this, then it should be either implemented for all of the classes or noone at all.

I don’t really get what you are arguing here. He just wants out of combat weapon switching. Are you against that because you feel it is not necessary? Are you against it because you feel engineers/elementalist shouldn’t get special consideration (even though all other classes already have weapon switching)? Are you against it simply because you feel like it is an unfair convenience?

I agree with you…it is a great idea to be able to switch weapons while out of combat. I get tired of opening my inventory constantly, and not to mention searching for the weapons in the cluttered space lol. By the time I find and want to equip my staff, someone already attacks me. I think something like this would be really useful!

daemon.1387:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

Kaimick.5109:

I would love this ability in PvE, it is tiresome to open hero tab and switch out and hope I don’t fall in combat and not have my dagger in off hand equip. I can see the problem with PvP and WvWvW though and I think a CD to it is the same as opening your Hero tab and manually putting it in there.

+1 for out of combat weapon swap for engineers and Ele’s in PvE

LOL, you encourage people to search for infos and stuff yet you dont bother to do it yourself. It is justified why eles and engineers dont have weapon swap option, and its not really that hard to figure that out even if you havent heard why is that.

To conclude: No, no, no and once again no.

Why should I learn to read when your apparently not reading your self. The OP is not asking for a in game weapon switch. He is asking for a secondary weapon slot on the hero sheet so when a character is OUT OF COMBAT he can click one button and switch his weapons. Which is no different from me opening my hero tab and dragging the weapons into slot while out of combat.

Please please read, his suggestion just removes the fact that you have to open a window and manually do it, so instead of taking 5 seconds out of combat you would take 1 second out of combat

You mentioned laziness a few times in different threads. And you regret spending 4 seconds more on manually swapping weapon? Hmm, puzzling to say the least.

Seriously, troll harder, troll harder. You should keep following me around on the forums and trolling me, I obviously have made you look bad somewhere down the line so go ahead follow me please show everyone that your a troll. thanks

- Common Sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a Super Power

I am far from trolling. Seriously.
This is your argument, against your own idea. How can this be trolling?
You’ve mentioned laziness quite a few times, and what do you suggest here? Convenience solution for super lazy people who don’t feel like opening their hero tab to swap weapons.
I disagree with it, since there is a good reason why you can’t switch weps on ele and engi. Ele has attunementes while engi has utility belts. Thats a big convenience in combat. Inability to switch wepon sets out of combat is minor disadvantage to counter that.

Now see my point? That’s not trolling. open your mind :S

And if you ask something like this, then it should be either implemented for all of the classes or noone at all.

I don’t really get what you are arguing here. He just wants out of combat weapon switching. Are you against that because you feel it is not necessary? Are you against it because you feel engineers/elementalist shouldn’t get special consideration (even though all other classes already have weapon switching)? Are you against it simply because you feel like it is an unfair convenience?

let me explain then.
Eles and Engis dont have weapon switching due to attunements/utility belts.
Having 2 weapon set slots doesnt give you any advantage over ele for example that has 20 different weapon skills all the time. So it’s more or less balanced. Now I am not gonna explain how this affects out of combat state, as this seems quite obvious.

To conclude: if you want to give eles and engis instant weapon switch out of combat then give it to every other class as well, because otherwise it will affect the balance.

Engies and Eles should be able to use a single button to swap between weapon sets out of combat (As it’s along a similar vein as other classes lack of weapon swap cooldown when out of combat)

Also, other classes should also be able to swap weapon sets with a single button while out of combat (Would be very nice for my Warrior whom likes to carry around 4 sets of weapons depending on what needs killing, swapping out my 2 equipped sets nigh constantly)

In short – Bring in equipment sets that allow easy equipment swapping while out of combat.

Taril.8619:

In short – Bring in equipment sets that allow easy equipment swapping while out of combat.

OK, but do it for every single class. Not just eles and engis.

But every other class already has weapon switching. I think the OP just wants the exact same system, except to have it only work out of combat. Are you concerned specifically about the weapon switch cool down?

i support this, i get tired of having to search for weapons on my ele when i have a inventory full of weapons.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

let me explain then.
Eles and Engis dont have weapon switching due to attunements/utility belts.
Having 2 weapon set slots doesnt give you any advantage over ele for example that has 20 different weapon skills all the time. So it’s more or less balanced. Now I am not gonna explain how this affects out of combat state, as this seems quite obvious.

To conclude: if you want to give eles and engis instant weapon switch out of combat then give it to every other class as well, because otherwise it will affect the balance.

I honestly can’t tell where your logical disconnect is.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

To conclude: if you want to give eles and engis instant weapon switch out of combat then give it to every other class as well, because otherwise it will affect the balance.

1: Every other class already has out of combat weapon switching. Unlike in-combat weapon switching, out of combat (OOC) there is no cooldown on switching. The only classes who do not currently have any OOC weapon switching via a UI shortcut are Elementalists and Engineers.

2: It will affect the balance… out of combat? Who gives a flying kitten about OOC balance?! If ANet had any concerns at all about making sure all players were 100% equal OOC, we’d have only one race, or the current races would all be the same height and width. So OOC “balance” isn’t a design concern and never was.

3: Assuming, however, that OOC balance is a serious design concern (which it obviously isn’t), then Elementalists and Engineers require OOC weapon switching to be implemented. Elementalists and Engineers have the total number of gear slots reduced versus other classes, therefore penalizing them (in a non-combat affecting way) by forcing them to carry a secondary weapon (set) in their inventory. Access to additional combat skills does not overcome this penalty, as the additional skills have no impact on OOC gameplay.

Blueshield.6291:

Smelly Bookah.6957:

let me explain then.
Eles and Engis dont have weapon switching due to attunements/utility belts.
Having 2 weapon set slots doesnt give you any advantage over ele for example that has 20 different weapon skills all the time. So it’s more or less balanced. Now I am not gonna explain how this affects out of combat state, as this seems quite obvious.

To conclude: if you want to give eles and engis instant weapon switch out of combat then give it to every other class as well, because otherwise it will affect the balance.

I honestly can’t tell where your logical disconnect is.

Smelly Bookah.6957:

To conclude: if you want to give eles and engis instant weapon switch out of combat then give it to every other class as well, because otherwise it will affect the balance.

1: Every other class already has out of combat weapon switching. Unlike in-combat weapon switching, out of combat (OOC) there is no cooldown on switching. The only classes who do not currently have any OOC weapon switching via a UI shortcut are Elementalists and Engineers.

2: It will affect the balance… out of combat? Who gives a flying kitten about OOC balance?! If ANet had any concerns at all about making sure all players were 100% equal OOC, we’d have only one race, or the current races would all be the same height and width. So OOC “balance” isn’t a design concern and never was.

3: Assuming, however, that OOC balance is a serious design concern (which it obviously isn’t), then Elementalists and Engineers require OOC weapon switching to be implemented. Elementalists and Engineers have the total number of gear slots reduced versus other classes, therefore penalizing them (in a non-combat affecting way) by forcing them to carry a secondary weapon (set) in their inventory. Access to additional combat skills does not overcome this penalty, as the additional skills have no impact on OOC gameplay.

Don’t bother he is just trolling, he is ignoring the fact that people are asking for out of combat weapon switch not in combat weapon switch. More so he is just following me around and commenting on my post and insulting my intelligence and mental state, yet the moderators no matter how many times I have reported his post never do anything to him. So I have learn to just ignore him, eventually he will go away.

His arguments usually have no basis to the actual discussion at hand and he argues points that no one is stating like in this thread about ele’s and Engineer’s having tools and attunments so that is why they can’t have it in combat which non of us have even said. Then stating that if we give ele’s and engineer’s a out of combat weapon swap then we should give all professions that ability. Which already exists for every profession, so in turn he is just arguing and insulting people just to troll them.

Now I am betting he will see this and report it and I will get infracted b the moderators or banned again so what have you, if that happens I will just start putting in support tickets and complaints till someone talks to me about it.

Blueshield.6291:

1: Every other class already has out of combat weapon switching. Unlike in-combat weapon switching, out of combat (OOC) there is no cooldown on switching. The only classes who do not currently have any OOC weapon switching via a UI shortcut are Elementalists and Engineers.

Not true.

Currently no class has OOC weapon swapping (In the sense that is wanted in this thread)

Yes, all multi-weapon using classes get no cooldown on swapping their 2 equipped weapon sets around while out of combat but that is irrelevant to the argument about allowing ALL CLASSES to be able to swap CURRENTLY EQUIPPED weapon sets with a set that is currently in their BAGS.

No class can currently press a single button while out of combat to swap what weapons they currently have equipped.

Examples:

Elementalist has D/D equipped due to doing some solo stuff but wants to swap to their staff – Instead of opening up the character sheet and actively equipping the weapon they often swap to for certain circumstances a simple saved equipment set would allow a quick and easy 1-button-swap between these weapon sets.

Alternatively (If it was introduced for other classes as well (Which it should)):

My Warrior runs around with a Greatsword and Sword/Shield equipped that I can freely swap between outside of combat (No cooldown on weapon swapping) or swap between in combat with a cooldown. Now occasionally I like to change what I have equipped depending on what I’m fighting, maybe I want to have a Rifle and Longbow equipped? Maybe I want an Axe/Mace and Hammer equipped? Instead of opening up my character sheet and manually equipping these weapons it should be possible to save them as weapon sets and quickly and easily change them out with a single/2 button presses.

Perhaps now people can realise what’s being suggested and WHY someone is actually saying that all classes should get it (Me included, my Warrior would love a feature like this FAR more than my Elementalist would, yet my Elementalist would get a large quality of life improvement from it)

Taril.8619:

Blueshield.6291:

1: Every other class already has out of combat weapon switching. Unlike in-combat weapon switching, out of combat (OOC) there is no cooldown on switching. The only classes who do not currently have any OOC weapon switching via a UI shortcut are Elementalists and Engineers.

Not true.

Currently no class has OOC weapon swapping (In the sense that is wanted in this thread)

Yes, all multi-weapon using classes get no cooldown on swapping their 2 equipped weapon sets around while out of combat but that is irrelevant to the argument about allowing ALL CLASSES to be able to swap CURRENTLY EQUIPPED weapon sets with a set that is currently in their BAGS.

No class can currently press a single button while out of combat to swap what weapons they currently have equipped.

Examples:

Elementalist has D/D equipped due to doing some solo stuff but wants to swap to their staff – Instead of opening up the character sheet and actively equipping the weapon they often swap to for certain circumstances a simple saved equipment set would allow a quick and easy 1-button-swap between these weapon sets.

Alternatively (If it was introduced for other classes as well (Which it should)):

My Warrior runs around with a Greatsword and Sword/Shield equipped that I can freely swap between outside of combat (No cooldown on weapon swapping) or swap between in combat with a cooldown. Now occasionally I like to change what I have equipped depending on what I’m fighting, maybe I want to have a Rifle and Longbow equipped? Maybe I want an Axe/Mace and Hammer equipped? Instead of opening up my character sheet and manually equipping these weapons it should be possible to save them as weapon sets and quickly and easily change them out with a single/2 button presses.

Perhaps now people can realise what’s being suggested and WHY someone is actually saying that all classes should get it (Me included, my Warrior would love a feature like this FAR more than my Elementalist would, yet my Elementalist would get a large quality of life improvement from it)

Ok here is the thing

Every Profession Minus Elementalist and engineers are allowed to have two sets of weapons on the paper doll.

Elementalist and Engineers can only have one.

What is being asked is
Allow Elementalist and Engineers to have two weapon sets on their paper dolls ( like every other profession does. So while those professions are not in combat they can do a weapon swamp.

What is being suggested is to allow those two profession to have the same ability to hold two weapons sets on their paper doll which would even out the profession fields as every profession at this time would have that.

From what I gathered is your saying it would be unfair to give elementalist and Engineers this as your warrior would need to have every weapon in the game just about to have this same feature which would create the same unbalance that is already present.

Allowing these two professions to paper doll two sets and switch them while out of combat would still not change the fact they can not do so in combat it would just stream line the process of switch weapon sets out of combat. Just imagine if you had to open your Hero tab up to skills every time you wanted to change your utility skills. They stream lined that for easier situational adjustments out of combat, and that is all that is being asked here for the two professions. It would just put the two professions on par with the rest of the professions as far as utility and stream line goes.