Suggestion: PVP Stealth and AOE
And again we have another stealth nerf thread that only reason for this is for PvP with no regrades to PvE.
Personally people have to think beyond the scope of PvP and realize what is changed in PvP gets changed in PvE. Adding a shimmer effect to a thieve caught in an AoE but not targetable is fine with me. but please when making these threads please take into account the effects it may have on PvE
If I agree with what your saying about PvE which I don’t you do realize that they could implement a skill for just PvP without affecting PvE? They did that to one Guardian skill. Also why is it such a bad idea to break stealth even just for a sec? Stealth at this point seem too much of a clutch and give a free rein to max out dps with low consequence and most class have no way to counter Theif down skill and another plus why we need a counter to stealth. Are you a Theif by any chance?
If I agree with what your saying about PvE which I don’t you do realize that they could implement a skill for just PvP without affecting PvE? They did that to one Guardian skill. Also why is it such a bad idea to break stealth even just for a sec? Stealth at this point seem too much of a clutch and give a free rein to max out dps with low consequence and most class have no way to counter Theif down skill and another plus why we need a counter to stealth. Are you a Theif by any chance?
Which guardian skill was changed ?
If they made changes that only affected pvp and not pve then so be it.
Let me guess you have never played a thieve, or let alone really learned how thieves actually work. 99.999% of people that have actually taking the time to learn and understand how the thieve works never complain about stealth.
Which guardian skill was changed ?
“Save Yourselves!”
Boon duration was changed to 5s in PvP while it remains 10s in PvE.
Which guardian skill was changed ?
“Save Yourselves!”
Boon duration was changed to 5s in PvP while it remains 10s in PvE.
Ahh nice didn’t know that.
Still I stand by my statement that people just need to learn a class and how things work, instead of going all QQ on the forums.
I agree stealth is annoying but after trying out thief class i can see why they need stealth you can get downed easy if you spec everything to be on power and crits. Also there are ways to countering just be smart when you play and use skills to its maximum.
If I agree with what your saying about PvE which I don’t you do realize that they could implement a skill for just PvP without affecting PvE? They did that to one Guardian skill. Also why is it such a bad idea to break stealth even just for a sec? Stealth at this point seem too much of a clutch and give a free rein to max out dps with low consequence and most class have no way to counter Theif down skill and another plus why we need a counter to stealth. Are you a Theif by any chance?
Which guardian skill was changed ?
If they made changes that only affected pvp and not pve then so be it.
Let me guess you have never played a thieve, or let alone really learned how thieves actually work. 99.999% of people that have actually taking the time to learn and understand how the thieve works never complain about stealth.
Which guardian skill was changed ?
“Save Yourselves!”
Boon duration was changed to 5s in PvP while it remains 10s in PvE.Ahh nice didn’t know that.
Still I stand by my statement that people just need to learn a class and how things work, instead of going all QQ on the forums.
Actually I tried a Theif in the earlier betas and I find the class to be too easy and sort of a run and gun kinda of class so I don’t know what they are “today” but I have read some build and seen some videos recently so that that is my experience with the Theif. I usually like to play what some might consider “weak” class such as a Elementalist and Necro. Before you pull the Theif need stealth because they are squishy card, let me remind you the ONLY class with the lowest base HP and DEF is the Elemenalist and I don’t have trouble 1vs1 anybody. You seem to be highly defensive when there is a obvious problem with stealth and I have introduce a solution what I feel would help and a good compromise to both side but you would consider that QQing. Have you tried all 8 prof before typing your bias?
Also wanted to add where did you get your stat of 99.99999% of people haven’t tried Theif and are just newb complaining? Maybe once you put your time in ANYCLASS you won’t want it nerf and is called bias?
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Actually I tried a Theif in the earlier betas and I find the class to be too easy and sort of a run and gun kinda of class so I don’t know what they are “today” but I have read some build and seen some videos so that recently and that is my experience with the Theif. I usually like to play what some might consider “weak” class such as a Elementalist and Necro. Before you pull the Theif need stealth because they are squishy card, let me remind you the ONLY class with the lowest base HP and DEF is the Elemenalist and I don’t have trouble 1vs1 anybody. You seem to be highly defensive when there is a obvious problem with stealth and I have introduce a solution what I feel would help and a good compromise to both side but you would consider that QQing. Have you tried all 8 prof before typing your bias?
Actually yes I have all 8 professions and I play all 8 professions in pvp thanks for asking
Actually I tried a Theif in the earlier betas and I find the class to be too easy and sort of a run and gun kinda of class so I don’t know what they are “today” but I have read some build and seen some videos so that recently and that is my experience with the Theif.
A lot has changed with the thief since beta you should probably try it again, you will find it not as easy as you think.
- I usually like to play what some might consider “weak” class such as a Elementalist and Necro.*
These are by far the non weakest classes in PvP
Bunker ele if played right ( which is hard ) is extremely difficult to beat and really powerful as far as damage goes for a bunker build
Necro’s are one of the top targeted and spiked professions in PvP not because they are weak cause they are beefy.
You seem to be highly defensive when there is a obvious problem with stealth and I have introduce a solution what I feel would help and a good compromise to both side but you would consider that QQing.
If I am defensive for stating facts then so be it, but the mentality of a lot of people is nerf it with out any understanding of the profession and how it works is silly. You find a problem with it because you do not understand how it works or how they use it. So you are incorrect in saying there is an ( not a ) Obvious problem, since it is only an obvious problem for people who do not want to take the time a learn.
Have you tried all 8 prof before typing your bias?
Again thanks for asking if I have played them see my first comment, although next time you may want to state your question as a question rather than an assumptive statement.
What fact? your statement of 99.9999% of people complaining are just newb and don’t know how to play fact? Even by your account of a lot of people complaining about “STEALTH” isn’t it obvious to you that the majority believe that it need tweaking?
I wouldn’t call 50 threads with a influx of repeat posters the majority. I never said that 99.99999% were newbs that is your assumptive freedom again. I said that
99.999% of people that have actually taking the time to learn and understand how the thieve works never complain about stealth.
You said preemptively
Also wanted to add where did you get your stat of 99.99999% of people haven’t tried Theif and are just newb complaining?
the 99.9999% is a gross imbelishment of the truth, just like saying that stealth is a major problem and everybody agree’s.
When the truth of the matter is, If the majority of the player base truly felt that stealth was broken and OP, Arena net would have changed it. Although since they have yet to change it or do anythign major to it I am only to assume that Stealth is working as they intended it to.
Which leads me back to my original statement
Maybe you should learn the class and how it works before you come QQing for a nerf or a change.
Even by your account of a lot of people complaining
Anything more than 5 is a lot by technical standards, but to say that 1000 people is the majority out of a 400k or even a 300k player base is far far far from the truth. that doesn’t even touch the 1% mark of the player base.
P.S. My main pvp toons is a elementalist and Mesmer third to a guardian, then my thief, then my ranger, Engineer then my warrior then my necro.
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You haven’t made any valid argument beside calling people a newb. You didn’t say “newb” but telling them to learn to play which your describing is a newb, or short for newbie and are beginner to the game mechanic. Not to be mistaken by noob.
I don’t belive a majority would pvp as much as you do and you don’t need a majority for ANet to hear and you can’t expect the majority of player to come on the forum at any given time to complain. Although ANet hasn’t made any changes yet it doesn’t mean that they aren’t looking at it. I know hot to play and how stealth work so your point is muted.
You haven’t made any valid argument beside calling people a newb. You didn’t say “newb” but telling them to learn to play which your describing is a newb, or short for newbie and are beginner to the game mechanic. Not to be mistaken by noob.
I don’t belive a majority would pvp as much as you do and you don’t need a majority for ANet to hear and you can’t expect the majority of player to come on the forum at any given time to complain. Although ANet hasn’t made any changes yet it doesn’t mean that they aren’t looking at it. I know hot to play and how stealth work so your point is muted.
I have yet to call anyone a “Newbie” LOL I am simply calling them lazy.
Your right you don’t believe the majority needs to make a comment for it to change. That is evidently clear, but responsible people that make games have to go with the majority.
that is like saying who wants food I am going to one place, and 8 people say pizza and 2 say McDonalds, then going to McDonalds instead of getting pizza.
I am sure you do know how to play and I am sure you do know how stealth works from your vast experience since beta and now 4 months later not touching the class or the mechanic you are the expert on it.
I apologize I am clearly out of my league on this one.
Dude I got where you stand on this loud and clear and misquoting me to make yourself look good make me think your just trolling or just arguing for the sake of arguing because your very first post you said you would be fine with a change to stealth and now your saying I need to learn to play argument.
Dude I got where you stand on this loud and clear and misquoting me to make yourself look good make me think your just trolling or just arguing for the sake of arguing because your very first post you said you would be fine with a change to stealth and now your saying I need to learn to play argument.
No I said I would be fine with the fact that Aoe’s would cause the Thieve’s to shimmer but not make them targetable. Not that they should change it, there is a difference in asking for a change and being complaint with a change.
If I agree with what your saying about PvE which I don’t you do realize that they could implement a skill for just PvP without affecting PvE? They did that to one Guardian skill. Also why is it such a bad idea to break stealth even just for a sec? Stealth at this point seem too much of a clutch and give a free rein to max out dps with low consequence and most class have no way to counter Theif down skill and another plus why we need a counter to stealth. Are you a Theif by any chance?
Which guardian skill was changed ?
If they made changes that only affected pvp and not pve then so be it.
Let me guess you have never played a thieve, or let alone really learned how thieves actually work. 99.999% of people that have actually taking the time to learn and understand how the thieve works never complain about stealth.
Which guardian skill was changed ?
“Save Yourselves!”
Boon duration was changed to 5s in PvP while it remains 10s in PvE.Ahh nice didn’t know that.
Still I stand by my statement that people just need to learn a class and how things work, instead of going all QQ on the forums.
Actually I tried a Theif in the earlier betas and I find the class to be too easy and sort of a run and gun kinda of class so I don’t know what they are “today” but I have read some build and seen some videos recently so that that is my experience with the Theif. I usually like to play what some might consider “weak” class such as a Elementalist and Necro. Before you pull the Theif need stealth because they are squishy card, let me remind you the ONLY class with the lowest base HP and DEF is the Elemenalist and I don’t have trouble 1vs1 anybody. You seem to be highly defensive when there is a obvious problem with stealth and I have introduce a solution what I feel would help and a good compromise to both side but you would consider that QQing. Have you tried all 8 prof before typing your bias?
Also wanted to add where did you get your stat of 99.99999% of people haven’t tried Theif and are just newb complaining? Maybe once you put your time in ANYCLASS you won’t want it nerf and is called bias?
That is where I decided to correct you as you personally called me out and assumed I only played one class.
So please tell me where I mis-quoted you and I will be glad to remove it from any of my comments, as I do not want to give any mis-representation of anyone. Although as far as I could see your the one mis-quoting me. I am simply correcting your presumptive and mis-quotes.
“I have yet to call anyone a “Newbie” LOL I am simply calling them lazy.”
You quoted this
“You didn’t say “newb” but telling them to learn to play which your describing is a newb, or short for newbie and are beginner to the game mechanic.”
First, I clearly said you didn’t use the word newb but your describing one and why are you continueing this arguement? I got your point already. The second missquote on the same post is when you assume I haven’t played since beta because Theif is the only one with stealth right? This thread is about the skill STEALTH which you are ok with below.
“Adding a shimmer effect to a thieve caught in an AoE but not targetable is fine with me.”
You just basically said that your ok with adding “shimmer” once they stealth and that in it self is a change. Need more?
“I have yet to call anyone a “Newbie” LOL I am simply calling them lazy.”
You quoted this
“You didn’t say “newb” but telling them to learn to play which your describing is a newb, or short for newbie and are beginner to the game mechanic.”First, I clearly said you didn’t use the word newb but your describing one and why are you continueing this arguement? I got your point already. The second missquote on the same post is when you assume I haven’t played since beta because Theif is the only one with stealth right? This thread is about the skill STEALTH which you are ok with below.
“Adding a shimmer effect to a thieve caught in an AoE but not targetable is fine with me.”
You just basically said that your ok with adding “shimmer” once they stealth and that in it self is a change. Need more?
You haven’t made any valid argument beside calling people a newb. You didn’t say “newb” but telling them to learn to play which your describing is a newb, or short for newbie and are beginner to the game mechanic. Not to be mistaken by noob.
Your right you specifically said I never used the word Newb, as highlighted
You haven’t made any valid argument beside calling people a newb. You didn’t say “newb”
You then go on to say
but telling them to learn to play which your describing is a newb, or short for newbie and are beginner to the game mechanic.
Again insinuating that I was referring or Calling them a Newb. which resulted in my reply ok I have yet to call anyone a “Newbie” LOL I am simply calling them lazy. I never mis quoted you here I simply clarified to you that I was not inferring or calling anyone a newbie but rather Lazy.
The second missquote on the same post is when you assume I haven’t played since beta because Theif is the only one with stealth right?
I never presumed you had not played since beta, I will pull down the part where you are presuming I said that.
I am sure you do know how to play and I am sure you do know how stealth works from your vast experience since beta and now 4 months later not touching the class or the mechanic you are the expert on it.
and this is where I pulled this bit of knowledge from
Actually I tried a Theif in the earlier betas and I find the class to be too easy and sort of a run and gun kinda of class so I don’t know what they are “today” but I have read some build and seen some videos recently so that that is my experience with the Theif.
That is where you openly admit that your base knowledge of Thieve’s are next to minimal out side of videos and some reading. As practical application and knowledgeable application are two different things. You can have all the book knowledge you want if you are not sure how to apply it it does you no good. Also I have the knowledge by your own words and nothing in the post since, that you play a Elementalist and a Necromancer or that is what you would have us lead to believe by your post. I even made a mention that I play every class in PvP and you never once said you play more than the ele or necro. Both of which classes have no Stealth. So how am I mis-quoting you at all, cause I never said you had not played since beta, as you can clearly see I didn’t. I simply said you had not played that class or used that mechanic since beta.
Theif is the only one with stealth right? This thread is about the skill STEALTH which you are ok with below.
No Mesmer, and Ranger have stealth although with that said Mesmer and ranger Stealth works completely different than Thief stealth. It doesn’t last nearly as long only 3 seconds and for a ranger it last 2 seconds. Mass Invisibility the Mesmer uses or has the ability to use is hardly ever used by anyone that understands the class, as Moa Morph and or Time Warp are far better applications of an elite than Mas Invis.
“Adding a shimmer effect to a thieve caught in an AoE but not targetable is fine with me.”
You just basically said that your ok with adding “shimmer” once they stealth and that in it self is a change. Need more?
Your right I am Fine with that I never said I wasn’t. Although I am not asking for Arena Net to make this effect happen, I am simply stating that if there were to be any changes made to stealth in due part to AoE affects ( as your post is about ) this is what I would prefer to happen if anything were to happen. Personally I don’t think it needs to be changed what so ever, your already taking damage if your in stealth ( regardless of Profession ) and standing in an AoE. So why do we need to make them visible also? You see these are things I left out as so not to start a fight over stealth.
Now if you have more mis-quotes I can help you clear up I will be glad to do so.
Saying I have yet to call anyone a “newb” with quote has meaning behind it and in this case seem like you were referring that I said you use the actual word “newb”. I know you didn’t say newb but you actually did in the context of your wording and in essence what your referring to so yes you did say newb without saying newb. That is the last time I am going to reply back to you regarding that and If you don’t understand that then too bad.
“I am sure you do know how to play and I am sure you do know how stealth works from your vast experience since beta and now 4 months later not touching the class or the mechanic you are the expert on it.”
“I simply said you had not played that class or used that mechanic since beta.”
I think your still confuse, this isn’t about Theif but again about STEALTH and it is a GAME MECHANIC not exclusive to Theif and I have experience with it on other class so when did I say I haven’t played other STEALTH classes? What is your point telling me other stealth class work differently? I know that. What exactly is your argument against breaking stealth here? So far in the last 6hr the only positive message I got here is you don’t mind shimmering effect while stealth but taking damage in stealth is good enough.
There is a reason why beginner flock to stealth class because it is one of the most powerful skill in any game. It compensate for the lack of experience and you have one of the best way to escape. I am not advocating to remove it but make some tweak to it to balance the game out.
Saying I have yet to call anyone a “newb” with quote has meaning behind it and in this case seem like you were referring that I said you use the actual word “newb”.
Seriously allow me to explain how this works, when someone uses " " on a word it can mean quoting someone else’s words or the word to be emphasize. I was simply quoting a word you used and telling you I never said that, then explained what I meant as you assumed I was saying such things.
so when did I say I haven’t played other STEALTH classes?
That is the problem you didn’t which left people to assume you had not, taking into consideration you went out of your way to mention you played a Ele and a necro, one would figure when trying to make a feasible argument or point you would mention that you have played a Mesmer or a ranger. At last you never did, you only laid mention to the Elementalist or the necromancer.
What is your point telling me other stealth class work differently? I know that. if you know this then why are you presuming to add them to the “stealth problems” as you proclaim? My Assumption even though you clearly stated in your original post that Thieve are not the only class, that is is mainly to how the thieve stealth Mechanic works and not the former, as their stealth is laughable in comparison to the thieves. But for the sake of mis representation of you I will be fair and include Mesmers, which still does not change the fact that if you had played any of the two classes and learned how the mechanics and in’s and outs worked with them, that stealth would not be an issue, as you would know that stealth is helpful but it is far from overpowered.
So far in the last 6hr the only positive message I got here is you don’t mind shimmering effect while stealth but taking damage in stealth is good enough.
Now who is para phrasing?
I said I would not mind if something was to be done that while a thieve is in an Aggressive AoE effect that it would cause him to shimmer. Although as it stands right now being damaged in AoE affects while in stealth ( meaning chilled effects also which Necros can do ) is enough and no further modifications are needed.
There is a reason why beginner flock to stealth class because it is one of the most powerful skill in any game
Your right they try to flock to that stealth and guess what happens, they usually get beat 9 out of 10 times and start using other classes. Just cause someone flocks to a profession doesn’t mean the profession is over powered. People also flock to the GS warrior, should we nerf that also?
It compensate for the lack of experience and you have one of the best way to escape.
Now I could be wrong her but this is why you need to sit down and really play the classes, I know you said you played a Mesmer but I am thinking with this comment you need to really sit down and play it. The only time a Mesmer is using clone ability is
- To create the last clone for the shatter build spike
- Or allowing himself to be able to heal with out interruptions.
I know you saw that my secondary is a Mesmer, and I am hardly using it to escape because of a lack of experience.
I am not advocating to remove it but make some tweak to it to balance the game out.
If there was something actually wrong with it and there were 1 to 2 counters that only one or two classes could use to counter than I would agree with you. But playing every class out there, maybe not the best, I have realized one thing every class can counter a thief or Mesmer Stealth.
What exactly is your argument against breaking stealth here?
Why do you need a stealth breaker at all, to what I can only presume most players in Tpvp and Spvp never complain about it. I mean since you used this terms of statements I guess it is fair to turn it around on you and ask you the same.
- What exactly is your argument for breaking stealth here, is it compensate for the lack of experience ?
+1 for crack down on stealth as I too find it really annoying to work hard to bring their hp down and have them go invis and run off.
This is funny your having a problem with people assuming when I ask you if you play a theif which you didn’t answer till couple of post down and how this whole argument started and now your saying because I wasn’t asked if I played other classes that invited you to say I haven’t and start attacking. To set it straight I have played two stealth(theif, Mesmer) class and only dabbed in ranger the so called 3rd stealth class.
There you go with another figure of who knows where 9/10 people quit stealth class because it was too hard. Where you get this stat from? When I first played the theif and mesmer I find it rather easy to have high score with a good k/d ratio and yes GS warrior had been nerf over the the past patches.
“The only time a Mesmer is using clone ability is
To create the last clone for the shatter build spike
Or allowing himself to be able to heal with out interruptions.”
ONLY? Clone can be use to confuse your enemy and if use in conjunction to decoy give you a excellent way to escape. So it is not only for shattering and healing.
As I am not familiar with Ranger could you share how to counter a Thief or a Mesmer stealth in your example and how they can stealth?
What I am doing is debating this topic with you so don’t make it personal but you really need to read my first two post if you want to know my argument for breaking stealth.
This is funny your having a problem with people assuming when I ask you if you play a theif which you didn’t answer till couple of post down and how this whole argument started and now your saying because I wasn’t asked if I played other classes that invited you to say I haven’t and start attacking. To set it straight I have played two stealth(theif, Mesmer) class and only dabbed in ranger the so called 3rd stealth class.
There you go with another figure of who knows where 9/10 people quit stealth class because it was too hard. Where you get this stat from? When I first played the theif and mesmer I find it rather easy to have high score with a good k/d ratio and yes GS warrior had been nerf over the the past patches.
“The only time a Mesmer is using clone ability is
To create the last clone for the shatter build spike
Or allowing himself to be able to heal with out interruptions.”ONLY? Clone can be use to confuse your enemy and if use in conjunction to decoy give you a excellent way to escape. So it is not only for shattering and healing.
As I am not familiar with Ranger could you share how to counter a Thief or a Mesmer stealth in your example and how they can stealth?
What I am doing is debating this topic with you so don’t make it personal but you really need to read my first two post if you want to know my argument for breaking stealth.
To set it straight I have played two stealth(theif, Mesmer)
Please don’t say you played a thief as you have already stated you don’t or rather you haven’t since the Beta. So you were either lying then or your lying now. I realize this statement says Played as in past tense, but your lack of experience with the class back before things got fixed with them doesn’t hold now.
There you go with another figure of who knows where 9/10 people quit stealth class because it was too hard. Where you get this stat from? When I first played the theif and mesmer I find it rather easy to have high score with a good k/d ratio and yes GS warrior had been nerf over the the past patches.
I pull this number from 9 out of 10 people I play against using thief’s spam one skill then try to use stealth as an escape like you said and they still die to me. I simply ask them in whisper why they spam HS, their retort is cause I am new to the class. it may not be 100% correct but I promise you that it is at least 90% correct. Have you been playing PvP lately and payign attention?
GS warrior rotation
Signet of Rage —> Signet of Strength ? --—> Frenzy —-—-> Bull charge —-—> HB —> F1 --—> Finisher ( if everything hits ) that is ista death if your not quick on getting out of it how has this been nerfed in the past 5 hours?
ONLY? Clone can be use to confuse your enemy and if use in conjunction to decoy give you a excellent way to escape. So it is not only for shattering and healing.
Shatter Spike builds
Shattering causes confusion already why do I need to shatter my clone and burn my free heal with no interruptions to confuse?
Also yes any ability can be used as a Get out of dodge ability
Ranger – Point Blank Shot or quick shot mixed with any speed boost
Necro – Death shroud or plague cloud or fear
Guardian – Save your self, retreat Agies
Elementalist – Mist form, ride the lightning
Engineer – thruster boots, Elixer X (?)
Warrior – Butt slam (rifle knock back ) bull charge speed boost
Thieve – bow teleport or gun, stealth
Mesmer – knockback, teleport, moa morph, decoy
So yes every class can retreat form a fight when out numbered, are you saying we should remove the ability to get out of combat ?
How to counter the stealth. Usually I would say play the class and learn but I will be nice.
Ranger – AoE attack, any gap closer that can move you out of range
Guardians – Shield bubble, sanctuary, concentrate I believe doesn’t allow you to pass Any AoE
Elementalist – Put distance between you and the Stealth person, Mist form, Earth shield, Teleport, churned earth
Necro – Death shroud, any wells
Warrior – distance, then nuke
Engineers – Thumbers, Bomb kits, Elixers, thrusters boots, any Turret, oil slick
Mesmer – Wave push ( GS #5 ), Clones, teleport, Null field, chaos storm
Thieve – Stealth, blinding powder, Stealth hut, Distance
Rangers can go stealth anytime they have any movement impairing effects on them with a trait.
I originally didn’t respond to your comment about me being a Thief player or not because I didn’t notice it and I apologize for that.
Also note that when a thief goes stealth and he is a glass canon build, that means he missed his spike on you, Which means he has to wait at least 60 seconds to try again, which means you have 60 seconds to get your CD’s and heal. Also if he is glass canon that means he is only ins stealth for a few seconds before spiking you down(commonly identified by signets as buffs ), in this case he hits stealth and you know it run put distance on you for at least 10 seconds.
If he is playing a Stealth build ( meaning he is popping in and out of stealth constantly) then you never have to worry about him spiking you down, the build is designed to apply conditions, Vuanerbility, poisons, and bleeds, it is also relatively low damage in comparison to their counter parts and are meant to hold off points and aggervate would be capers from capping till his team could get there. They have the ability of entering stealth so many times and healing up while doing it because they sacrifice the damage delt to do this.
This build is not worse that the Bunker Ele or Bunker Necro or Bunker anything. It is just done differently, the only main difference if you happen to catch the thief player on a mis click or messing up the rotation the Thief will go down fast. You see Thieves do not have great health pools anyhow or abilities to take damage, that is why they have stealth. Yes Elementalist and Guardians have the lowest health pools of the game but they are also one of the most durable professions out there, when it comes to taking raw damage with no evades just taking the damage.
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me “GS warrior had been nerf over the the past patches”
you"how has this been nerfed in the past 5 hours"
who said most recent patch and don’t get me started about your 90% quit rate.
We could go on for days because your misquote really suck me in and distracting me from my pvp matches so I am done with you. Good info on your final post tho.
me “GS warrior had been nerf over the the past patches”
you"how has this been nerfed in the past 5 hours"who said most recent patch and don’t get me started about your 90% quit rate.
We could go on for days because your misquote really suck me in and distracting me from my pvp matches so I am done with you. Good info on your final post tho.
Look you can get angry with me that is fine but I promise you that if you learn how most players work the stealth machanic you will have lil to no trouble with it. Also know that no matter how much prep you make to countering something you will never be 100% sucessfull it just will never happen. But if you remeber that yes thieves have stealth and so do mesmers.
Thieves :
Can’t take a lot of physical or direct damage without dying, this is why the class regardless of health pool have Stealth. even a low end damage dealer can seriously cripple a thief by doing damage. They are just that non resilient to damage, especially the ones that are Glass canons.
Mesmer’s :
Their Stealth is more for the quick clone generation than it is about escape, even though yes it could be used as an escape method all profession have this ability to run form battle they just all do it differently. Although unlike Thieves their stealth is short and only usable once, mainly cause they can take more raw damage.