Guild Wars 2

The people who routinely complain about 2v1 are the people who have no idea what’s going on when they jump into WvW.

Yeah I edited my comment to include a scenario where one might expect a single change in the 2v1 for a convenient photo-op screencap to post on the forums. As I said 1 change for such purposes doesn’t count, and you yourself describe it as a “freak” incident (bc as you know the 2v1 was supposed to be against red, not blue-…..note: the “freak” comment was removed from the post……). You would need consistent attempts over the 7 day period. But go ahead, you have the lead now so it really doesn’t matter now that the “proper” hierarchy has been conveniently established..unless of course it gets out of hand again.

wolfie.7296:

Lanthrudar.1437:

while they of course, rolled over whom they chose (usually #3).

SoS haven’t taken blue towers or the keep, not even once have they tried in EB when i was on. You might think they would change focus but the consistency is extreme in this respect to attack red. only. There is no “usually” so your attempt at a comparison falls flat. If they have done it once to “pretend” otherwise it will not count.

While it may feel like this why would SoS and JQ try to attack those targets when BG is a softer target and get easy points off of us. And we will also never know if JQ is motivated to even get the #1 spot (been there and done that) maybe they are happy with #2.

The problem for BG currently is coverage gaps, tactics, and organization. After reset and long queue i have yet to encounter a long queue again.

Chiaking.7816:

While it may feel like this why would SoS and JQ try to attack those targets when BG is a softer target and get easy points off of us.

In EB, BG would seem less “soft” than JQ bc JQ got pushed off EB in a “freak” occurence (as described by an SOS poster last page), whereas BG has been able to hold off both for extended time, JQ could not. And BG taking early lead, JQ did not.

Fought a D/D ele from JQ (think the guild was CoF) for like 10min straight in SoR BL earlier. I was the hammer warrior in TA amor. You out there? Was kinda dissapointed you didn’t bow back after our duel, it was a show of respect for the fun fight! But one of your guildies came along so I had to book it out of there.

Facts about 2vs1 (which is so 2012)

1. Every server has experienced it.
2. 2vs1 happens but it’s never coordinated
3. There has never been an alliance between 2 servers to gank up on one, officially.
4. Because this is WvWvW, each server will always feels like they are getting 2vs1ed
5. 2vs1 doesn’t last, because everyone wants to win (1st place)
6. There will never be a conclusion to 2vs1 discussion
7. Every “WvWvW matchup” thread contains “2vs1” discussion
8. Complaining about 2vs1 in this game is equivalent to crying to other servers (see #3 and #4)

Don’t care about the 2 v 1, that is a part of w3 experience. But the Culling bombs on the other hand are ridiculous, yes the game needs to fix it, but not untill getting into t1 is it really a problem. T2 wasn’t fielding 60-80 players on a single keep take. Dying to invisible players is out of hand in t1, and quite frankly makes me want to move to a lower bracket where the game play is more enjoyable. Which is more frustrating after all the work our server has done in to getting here. Just my 2 cents though.

Update as of 3:14am EST. It has been some good fighting all weekend. It’s kept me very busy during/between football games. Sad to see Peyton get knocked out, I had him going to the big game, but my 49ers are still strong in it.

Also, a pic of the map status as of the time of the score photo.

great fun to be had on BG BL tonight. That garrison fight was fun, JQ busted down the east wall, BG took out the west and we all fought in the lords room. epic.

I admire BG’s “never give up” attitude. You kept throwing yourselves against the garrison, making ground each time. Just never quite enough but I tip my hat off to you.

SoS are spawn camping BG on JQ BL… but BG ain’t running like some other servers that rage quit

Also pretty amazing how you guys are holding bay right now despite being spawn camped by us.

Well, ICoa is in BG. And I don’t think we plan on leaving any time soon.

Sad we can’t field one BL with a queue. Alas it is what it is. Good fights though, we had Garrison halfway ticked to cap. Your reinforcements arrived just in time with superior arrowcarts lol.

To the T2 starting stuff in here. That was in response to your people trying to organize an official 2v1 against us. Please check your facts. TY.

zeus.2375:

Facts about 2vs1 (which is so 2012)

1. Every server has experienced it.
2. 2vs1 happens but it’s never coordinated
3. There has never been an alliance between 2 servers to gank up on one, officially.
4. Because this is WvWvW, each server will always feels like they are getting 2vs1ed
5. 2vs1 doesn’t last, because everyone wants to win (1st place)
6. There will never be a conclusion to 2vs1 discussion
7. Every “WvWvW matchup” thread contains “2vs1” discussion
8. Complaining about 2vs1 in this game is equivalent to crying to other servers (see #3 and #4)

1-8. missing the point. try this:

1. can a 2v1 happen for extended, sustained period? yes.
2. are some accusations of 2v1 warranted? yes.
3. are some not warranted? yes. no less than any other boasting remark or hacking discussion on the forum.
4. do they affect the prestige of the accused if true, who may constantly brag about being the best? yes.
5. if a true 2v1 is pointed out, is the person mentioning it disparaged or attacked? yes.
6.- 8. rest my case. if you are to attack someone who may have a true claim while bragging about being the best, then you can’t whine about people who want to bring it up.

BOOM! SOS is here to stay!

Sorry BG, welcome to T1 XD

I think the most hilarious word I saw in map chat today was “turtlegate”.

Resonance.4216:

BOOM! SOS is here to stay!

Sorry BG, welcome to T1 XD

Thanks to JQ. Grats on your 2v1 scheme.

wolfie.7296:

Resonance.4216:

BOOM! SOS is here to stay!

Sorry BG, welcome to T1 XD

Thanks to JQ. Grats on your 2v1 scheme.

Stop giving your server a bad name.

Kirito.8796:

Stop giving your server a bad name.

It’s bad to take glory unbecomingly.

I’m trying to say “deal with it” without sounding too proud.

Nah too much work.

“Deal with it”

Also, we’re not a huge fan of JQ, we don’t team up with our rivals just to beat you guys XD, the second V and third W in WvWvW should have clued you into the fact that it can happen occaisonally without planning.

Please note, we’re also stomping JQ in terms of score.

Did we (SBI) cry about 2v1 this much?

Not that I recall. How’s T2?

wolfie.7296:

I know. You did it to save the extreme embarrassment of losing. I expect due to BGs early lead blind panic caused SOS and JQ to fear for their lives and throw all caution to the wind in protecting their position, rather than cultivating a dignified tier 1, as the “unplanned alliance” continued well after SOS’ lead.

wolfie you really need to stop it. There is no alliance you speak of. There has never been one in the entire time this game has been out. Get a grip.

More even, I guess. SoR take the lead during NA prime time then we take it back during asian prime time. SoR portal bomb so much it’s crazy, TC folk are really friendly.

Please ignore those bad sports that are giving our server a bad name. All in all, we are a good group of people who work hard. Being thrown into t1 has forced many of us to change our strategies and rework much of what we learned in t2.

Heck, even my small strike team (Team Otterpop Watermelon Ham Sandwich) couldn’t outrun the might SoS 30 man zerg for too long. My chaotic approach and quick hits didn’t seem to make a bit of a difference. Kudos to you. I’ll have to come up with another strategy. ;D

But it’s been enjoyable so far even if we aren’t winning. ICOA will continue pushing and you’ll see many more of us out in the battlefield ready to take both JQ and SoS head on. ^-^

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

More even, I guess. SoR take the lead during NA prime time then we take it back during asian prime time. SoR portal bomb so much it’s crazy, TC folk are really friendly.

Portal Bombs, using culling as an offensive weapon. XD

An idea for the red team: Perhaps you can instead assure blue will meet mutual destruction. You are never going to beat both servers in a head on. Instead of trying to keep your turf red against 2 fronts, why not just make sure there is no blue on the map, ever. Your garrison goes green? NP if you’re holding blue keeps. Think of it as every blue point you take = you staying in the tier. Perhaps blue will be more inclined to fight the green server next week/fortnight once they realise it isn’t so beneficial to be a doormat all the time.

It’s never ideal to be engaged in a brutal fight for second. As far as I’m concerned, second place is just the first place loser. However, with little options available you have to fight smart and pick your target strategically to send a message if you intend on staying in the tier. Just a little hypothetical food for thought anyways..

Resonance.4216:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

More even, I guess. SoR take the lead during NA prime time then we take it back during asian prime time. SoR portal bomb so much it’s crazy, TC folk are really friendly.

Portal Bombs, using culling as an offensive weapon. XD

I honestly think if mesmer portals got nerfed to poop then SoR’s brains would all explode. The logic of doing anything other than portal bombing would be too much.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Did we (SBI) cry about 2v1 this much?

If you did I don’t remember it as vividly as I will this. Besides, my fondest memory of any emotion-filled forum responses actually comes from your own forums right here. Oh Kelo, your post brings a tear to my eye every time I read it. Keep up the good fight in T2, you guys can still recover as a server.

Papaj.9035:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Did we (SBI) cry about 2v1 this much?

If you did I don’t remember it as vividly as I will this. Besides, my fondest memory of any emotion-filled forum responses actually comes from your own forums right here. Oh Kelo, your post brings a tear to my eye every time I read it. Keep up the good fight in T2, you guys can still recover as a server.

That was HILARIOUS XD

omg, it’s like he thinks we’re Nazi Germany.

HB did warn us about the incoming onslaught of BG.

In 2013
We are back in the Tier of Tears
This time we are more prepared
More hydrated
And now covering 2 oceans
You may have sausages
You may have cried longer
You may think all those onions will matter
We are here to tell you:
We will keep crying at you
We will not back down
We will take the QQing to another level
And show you the amount of tears you didn’t think possible
No laughter
No surrender
One goal
To make Blackgate the #1 T___T
Dear SoS and JQ
We are HB
And you will be nothing but droplets of water
In our ocean of tears
Don’t say we didn’t warn you
Starting on the 11th of January
Tier 1 will never be dry again

Getting some fantastic deja vu reading this thread. It’s almost identical, I’m sure JQ forummers know what I mean. Members of Blackgate beating their chest that they are going to own T1 then sook about 2v1 when they don’t.

The only thing missing this time is they’ve started calling themselves Blackgate again instead of Beastgate, maybe the last failure in T1 was at least somewhat humbling.

Maniac.5163:

An idea for the red team: Perhaps you can instead assure blue will meet mutual destruction. You are never going to beat both servers in a head on. Instead of trying to keep your turf red against 2 fronts, why not just make sure there is no blue on the map, ever. Your garrison goes green? NP if you’re holding blue keeps. Think of it as every blue point you take = you staying in the tier. Perhaps blue will be more inclined to fight the green server next week/fortnight once they realise it isn’t so beneficial to be a doormat all the time.

It’s never ideal to be engaged in a brutal fight for second. As far as I’m concerned, second place is just the first place loser. However, with little options available you have to fight smart and pick your target strategically to send a message if you intend on staying in the tier. Just a little hypothetical food for thought anyways..

Actually , if you look at how the ranking point system work, smaller gap between all servers equals 3rd place losing less points. The bigger the gap between 1st, the 2nd and 3rd server loses more points.

You can be 3rd place every week, as long as you stay relatively close, and not drop tiers. This is of course assuming T2 stays close as well.

Okay, I’ll admit. I giggled at that, Kunagisa. But HB are a good group. Doubt they would QQ about this so called “2v1” conspiracy. It’s just how the game flows. You take advantage of the weaker one. Simple as that.

REMEMBER DRAGONBRAND

VIVA SEA OF SORROWS

marquees.6230:

Okay, I’ll admit. I giggled at that, Kunagisa. But HB are a good group.

Of course, I got killed by them no less than few dozen times at BG borders, but that video was quite humorous as well (given the present situation). I’m sure they’re pretty good sport people and won’t be offended (afterall, you have to be pretty thick-skinned to make that video).

Please ignore the repeated troll comments regarding 2 v 1s. They are coming from very few posters not entire servers. The majority of people on each server are likely fine individuals and we are all just gamers.

Great fights at BG garrison today, culling was terrible for all concerned but great determination shown by all three servers. I doubt there was a wall left standing.

This is a fun game.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

More even, I guess. SoR take the lead during NA prime time then we take it back during asian prime time. SoR portal bomb so much it’s crazy, TC folk are really friendly.

after I read this I had to check the title of the thread to make sure I was in the right place.

Churros.7196:

Maniac.5163:

An idea for the red team: Perhaps you can instead assure blue will meet mutual destruction. You are never going to beat both servers in a head on. Instead of trying to keep your turf red against 2 fronts, why not just make sure there is no blue on the map, ever. Your garrison goes green? NP if you’re holding blue keeps. Think of it as every blue point you take = you staying in the tier. Perhaps blue will be more inclined to fight the green server next week/fortnight once they realise it isn’t so beneficial to be a doormat all the time.

It’s never ideal to be engaged in a brutal fight for second. As far as I’m concerned, second place is just the first place loser. However, with little options available you have to fight smart and pick your target strategically to send a message if you intend on staying in the tier. Just a little hypothetical food for thought anyways..

Actually , if you look at how the ranking point system work, smaller gap between all servers equals 3rd place losing less points. The bigger the gap between 1st, the 2nd and 3rd server loses more points.

You can be 3rd place every week, as long as you stay relatively close, and not drop tiers. This is of course assuming T2 stays close as well.

The problem with this theory is fairweathers. If you continue to stay in the tier as third place, I can guarantee you now you will lose individual fairweather players and eventually guilds. You need to take second place as soon as possible. To do so, you need to aim for it directly. Red team’s biggest focus right now (other than enjoying fights) should be the rating gap between them and holding second place.

Just my opinion, morale and placing is very important in regards to overall participation. This, in turn, makes it a very powerful weapon if used against a second place server. If you take their placing, they will lose participation long term. This makes them eventually take up the title as the new underdog and allows you a lot more control on the overall outcome of the scoreboard.

IMO the point where things took a turn was Saturday night/Sunday morning when BG decided to attack JQ on SoSBL while SoS was defending bay. A lot of fun fights were had, but I think in the long run that hurt BG.

Kurthos.2354:

REMEMBER DRAGONBRAND

VIVA SEA OF SORROWS

lol

Kunagisa.7361:

HB did warn us about the incoming onslaught of BG.

In 2013
We are back in the Tier of Tears
This time we are more prepared
More hydrated
And now covering 2 oceans
You may have sausages
You may have cried longer
You may think all those onions will matter
We are here to tell you:
We will keep crying at you
We will not back down
We will take the QQing to another level
And show you the amount of tears you didn’t think possible
No laughter
No surrender
One goal
To make Blackgate the #1 T___T
Dear SoS and JQ
We are HB
And you will be nothing but droplets of water
In our ocean of tears
Don’t say we didn’t warn you
Starting on the 11th of January
Tier 1 will never be dry again

That was almost funny. You got a b- for trying That said, please show me where HB has cried about anything during this matchup? We´ve had loads of epic figths, loads of fun and loads of lootbags. We even picked up a new trick or two for our playbook. Good fights all around. Keep it up !

Kunagisa.7361:

HB did warn us about the incoming onslaught of BG.

In 2013
We are back in the Tier of Tears
This time we are more prepared
More hydrated
And now covering 2 oceans
You may have sausages
You may have cried longer
You may think all those onions will matter
We are here to tell you:
We will keep crying at you
We will not back down
We will take the QQing to another level
And show you the amount of tears you didn’t think possible
No laughter
No surrender
One goal
To make Blackgate the #1 T___T
Dear SoS and JQ
We are HB
And you will be nothing but droplets of water
In our ocean of tears
Don’t say we didn’t warn you
Starting on the 11th of January
Tier 1 will never be dry again

I just doubled over from laughing so hard, but [HB] hasn’t said anything about the situation. They’ve been our best effort during this past weekend though.

All in all this has been a lot of fun. I think as a server we’re just not used to having so much resistance everywhere/anytime we log in. Due to the clear difference in population and coverage we’re going to have to approach this completely different than what we’re used to. I know we’re capable of more than this, it’s just going to take reassessing and coordinating our efforts to match the new dynamics we’ve been challenged with.

Kurthos.2354:

REMEMBER DRAGONBRAND

VIVA SEA OF SORROWS

I think they (Blackgate) forgot that 80% of the NA on SoS were from Dragonbrand and have been waiting a grueling 13 weeks to return the favor of that beatdown, only this time without the EU server hopping shenanigans mid-week. Try hard SoS, try hard.

Also, I would like to give props to [HB]. You guys made it a night to remember on reset in your BL and for most of the next day. You do your server an honor by giving it 110% and for not crying and participating in the excuse war currently happening in this thread. Stay classy and stay fighting.

what happen to that fiery passion that BG had when they were moving up from tier 2?

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

what happen to that fiery passion that BG had when they were moving up from tier 2?

It was alot of people pulling out 16+ hour shifts. The weekdays will show our true strength and coverage compared to the other T1 servers.

Just because Blackgate doesn’t get it, 2v1 is nothing to be surprised about.

Just look at the picture below: Sea of Sorrows is green, Stormbluff Isle is red, and Jade Quarry is blue…

And yet, we were still able to make a comeback and win the match. So it’s not because the entire SoS and JQ communities devised a plan together to beat Blackgate. It’s because that’s how things go here. Maybe next week SoS and BG will 2v1 JQ, or BG and JQ will 2v1 SoS who knows. But there’s no conspiracy here bro.

BG really need to stop 2v1 us, every time we try and go after JQ in eb they push out of there spawn.

The worst part about BG zergs/portal bombs is trying not to step on all the glass in the aftermath.

really enjoyed T1 so far, the fights are good and we are certainly been kept on our toes, the garrison fights have been epic. unfortunately T1 has just highlighted that our coverage isnt as good as it could be. but im sure that will change if we can stay in T1 for a few weeks. all WvWvW minded people are welcome on BG

we came up knowing we would get hit hard it doesnt bother us we will do what we have always done adapt

Score update.

Clearly SoS is 2 on 1 against JQ and BG.

Wait what?

Nope. SoS are simply just dominating.

Also we have a secret weapon hovering around SM and it’s no moon.

I’ve found BG’s choice of which map to keep a presence in very odd at times. Maybe it’s that particular guilds have rigid assignments or feel more comfortable in different maps but they are giving up a lot of ppt defending.