Guild Wars 2

Fact cd has had a massive influx of players as they are only server now full in this tier. Saying that good on them any good server is trying to bring players to sever to either replace people leaving or make a push to higher teir. Now we just have to do the same, we already beat them 80% of the time when numbers are even just the gaps where no one is on they smash us and come bragging on the forums

JPSnow.8296:

Fact cd has had a massive influx of players as they are only server now full in this tier. Saying that good on them any good server is trying to bring players to sever to either replace people leaving or make a push to higher teir. Now we just have to do the same, we already beat them 80% of the time when numbers are even just the gaps where no one is on they smash us and come bragging on the forums

You are the one bragging and crying here on this forum. Get out

JPSnow.8296:

we already beat them 80% of the time when numbers are even

Delicious – IOJ whining about being the underdog… the worm turned folks.

Y’all keep telling yourselves that, make every excuse under the sun. CD massive knows it was done without any numbers advantage, just the hardest-fighting basterds in Tyria.

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

Taken just now.

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

CD has been High/Full pop since day one. It was one of the first servers to fill on release, and has steadily remained that way.

Hekatombaion.4320:

Why would you think that managing a 30k lead over the other servers should mean you are fit enough for the next tier? Why would you think even having a 50k lead over the other servers would mean that you don’t belong in your current tier?

I’m not sure that points (game points, not ranking points) work the way you think they do.

It’s completely trivial for the third place server to gain rank points because of the manner in which (edit: real points) they’re acquired. If it was based purely on objectives then sure, it would be easy to outpace the 2nd or 3rd place server by huge margins. Unfortunately, that’s not how points are acquired. For instance, you get 1 point per NPC killed. This means that you can actually get more points for attacking SMC than you can for holding it. By a lot.

Lets take a look at the maximum points a team could earn, theoretically, just based on objectives, which are the point of the game.

There are 695 points up for grabs, every tick. There are 7 days in a match up, 4 ticks in an hour, and therefore there are 672 ticks per matchup. There is therefore a maximum of 467,040 points to be earned in every match from ticks alone.

Wait wait wait, WHAT?

For the week of December 29 to January 5, the three servers in tier one combined scored 624,399 points. This means that PTT only accounts for roughly 75% of the available points. That leaves 25% (AKA the margin you win by) of the points to NPC kills. If you hold too many objectives, then you actually have significantly reduced scoring chances, because you have more NPCs.

N.B. points are awarded for NPCs aligned with one team or another, not for random wolves on the map.

As servers figure this out, scores will become more and more ridiculous. FA for instance shouldn’t be doing as well as it is, but since we fail to take SMC so frequently, we actually get more points than if we had it.

I hope this helps you understand why scores don’t seem to reflect reality.

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

Its you and your comments that are making your server look bad. And yes, its your mistake

Deathdom.8250:

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

Taken just now.

I stand corrected though it was full last night, if you read my original post I wasn’t even saying your server was bad more reacting off the troll that posted after me

I wonder if the listing of servers is literally done with populations sizes. I.e. even within the same full/very-high categories they are listed smallest to largest…..its not alphabetical. Anyone know? I’ve just noticed over several weeks of these screen shots that TC is almost always near the bottom of the list (even within its category) and consensus is that it is one of the larger overall pops (lots of pve’ers) and the other servers seem to “feel” they fit in that rank order….I have no idea though.

Deathdom.8250:

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

Taken just now.

Might want to take it when people are actually logging in…

Altie.4571:

I had respect for IoJ prior to this matchup.

I have respect for pretty much everyone who plays without cheating.

After this week my opinion is starting to change.

I think this has very little to do with IOJ or with Drgn. Here’s why:

We recruit on all servers, and lately have not been recruiting on any server except IOJ. We don’t single out servers that are failing or succeeding. We look for players who don’t like their current server. Or small guilds who don’t like their server. In other words, if you don’t satisfy your players we will seek them out. Whether they are on a winning server, a losing server, are winning players or losers frankly. We take all sorts. You can’t fault us for that.

Next, you misinterpreted what was said. There was no call to consolidate into one server from IOJ. At least not to my (incredibly extensive and always correct) knowledge. JK, maybet here was but I don’t think so. What actually happened is I suggested FA and IOJ team up against CD. Which is only natural, because you’re in first for points and seem to have the largest consistent WvW presence. For either of us to compete we have to target you. IMO my simple suggestion worked. We have a tight score spread and a lot more fighting than in previous weeks. You can’t blame us for this either.

And, it wasn’t because we want to be in T2. I think the commanders of IOJ universally agree we want to have a good fight and recognize we are not in the bracket of servers that has the highest population, so T3 is fine for now, as long as we have good clean fights and everyone has fun. We of course would like to improve to attract new or elsewise unsatisfied players to our server to join in our comraderie and push toward first place, but we are realistic about our ambitions now. You can’t blame us for this.

How brazen, and underhanded, don’t you think.

Not at all, I think you’re just upset for other reasons and not seeing clearly right now.

Deathdom.8250:

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

Taken just now.

Taken just now…..lulz

buzzkapow.8465:

JPSnow.8296:

Because cd is on top ATM makes more sense to get points from there…..

This! CD points are basically worth double right now, because we gain those point, and CD doesn’t. Stop complaining about your BL being the target. You’re #1, so you should be the target. Don’t like it? Try a game without 3 teams then.

Yeah, just like what happened when IoJ or TC was on top. Remember that?
…
me neither.

buzzkapow.8465:

Araliun.5024:

So guilds of IoJ and FA … ready to transfer to CD and take it to the next Tier? We have our sights set on Tier 2. Perhaps you do as well. SO maybe it’s time for a little server hopping. Message me if interested in discussing.

Well, there’s a public cross-server recruitment right there, from this very thread.

I see it as more of a joke at your expense. Guess it could be a legit request but you guys kind of don’t have anybody we’d want.

Well no, I should tone that down a bit: I don’t expect to get many worthwhile players or guilds transferring off of your server and onto ours.
-there, I wasn’t too much of a kitten about it that time right?-

buzzkapow.8465:

Deny what? What exactly am I denying? I’m not from FA btw. I was just pointing out that CD is publicly recruiting, and that the only people complaining about double teaming is CD. Which seems to work in your favour?

I can take another step into the light of reason here: most people are going to see a lot of confirmation bias for the people on their server being decent on the forums and the people from other servers being ridiculous.

I already barely remember any of the bad stuff CD players have done in this thread but anything bad from FA or IoJ is probably four times bigger to me than the way players from those servers experience them.

There’s also the little detail that you might see a lot of these players on your own map chat where they’re doing whatever goal oriented stuff that actually deserves some respect- you have some actual reason to dismiss bad behavior from some of the voices from your server while for people on other servers it’s entirely the kitten side they see.

fade.8603:

Another view is that CD’s defense is not as great as the other servers whereby there are scouts in their neglected BL and often theres not a single CD within camps towers to notify incoming attacks which make us an easier target compared to the other servers.

Compounding that problem is the response you get when you actually do take up that task- very slothful response from CD. It’s like they want to sit around at whatever they are attacking as a flame ram gets killed by defenses and then after that they’ll trickle over to defend a point.

If it is a keep then there is a little bit of a response but even spotting a golem rush out in the lake is not early enough notification for us to get a sizable defense force into the garrison before the lord is already dead.

I think this has lead to really frantic incoming calls in general for our server so even when we do rally together to fend off a push it doesn’t feel very good for anyone involved.

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Also of note — Dragonbrand from Tier 4 is pulling ahead of that tier. It’s possible they’ll be pushing their way to Tier 3 if FA has a bad week.

That would be kind of sad, unless dragonbrand really feels the spirit of yak parades.
:partywhistle:

Ren.6351:

Anyway I’m not on FA so I have no idea what they are planning but this is just from my point of view, so we should just lay off all the insults and keep them within our server if you want to rage.

And.. goodnight

Actually yes, we keep them out of their garrison until our numbers dwindled last night because of what the guild leaders heard was being said on the forums. FA might consider reading over the last few pages and then chewing somebody out.

JPSnow.8296:

Fact cd has had a massive influx of players as they are only server now full in this tier. Saying that good on them any good server is trying to bring players to sever to either replace people leaving or make a push to higher teir. Now we just have to do the same, we already beat them 80% of the time when numbers are even just the gaps where no one is on they smash us and come bragging on the forums

Well if you’d like to give me a list of guilds that are interested in being killed by KH while they have a numbers advantage and what times they are available maybe we can work them into the schedule.

Docherty.8372:

JPSnow.8296:

we already beat them 80% of the time when numbers are even

Delicious – IOJ whining about being the underdog… the worm turned folks.

Y’all keep telling yourselves that, make every excuse under the sun. CD massive knows it was done without any numbers advantage, just the hardest-fighting basterds in Tyria.

Personally I’d go with “that’s because when you start to lose most of your player base abandons WvW.”

Kman.7358:

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

CD has been High/Full pop since day one. It was one of the first servers to fill on release, and has steadily remained that way.

What should be clear is that our server being full doesn’t equate to having huge populations in WvW. What actually shows our population would be the queues for each map, of which there are none.

That’s changed a bit this week as we’ve actually had a queue for CDBL, but that doesn’t even mean our numbers have grown so much as it indicates the level of pressure Red and Green are putting on our home border. I’m happy to have our folks defending or even just fighting on front lines that don’t so rapidly shift, but it would be nice to see the other servers at least consistently having small forces running around in each other’s borderlands. Instead the map just shows a breakout tower and rarely some group that circle capped the supply camps.

Zoel.9154:

-points for killing guards make up 25% of the score-

Nice to see you swinging around some ratings system kitten but killing guards isn’t the only source of those points. Go escort a yak to a tower and then keep and you’ll see the score jump each time it sticks its nose in the door portal.

However this objection about where points come from doesn’t change anything about how your score dials you in to a particular rating, unless you’ve been very obtuse about what you mean by “points.”

A: I thought we were talking about how having the higher “score” for a week could still mean your “rating” went down.
B: Maybe you mean holding more “locations” means having a lower “score” by the end of the week.

Please confirm which of those (or neither) you’re talking about so that we won’t have to talk past each other.

Sidestepping the obvious flamebait which Hek is doling out like water from a well….

I just wanted to state the obvious absence of FA from those very high population servers as of yet. I’m sure that will change as prime time closes, but I just wanted to throw that out there as a morale boost to the rest of FA who might still be reading this tl;dr thread.

Way to go FA!

I think Hek is loving to respond to those flamers, I mean, if IOJ wants to be the magooooooOOoooOooma of tier 3 why shouldn’t we allow them?

I guess since people cant trash talk each other in game, we have to move it to the forums….. sigh

Oh well, I’m having a freakin blast playing against both FA and CD and will be posting more videos when I have more time (moving this weekend).

In the near future I’ll be working on a fail blog style video where I show off my “not so fine” moments in wvw.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing all you guys again next week and best of luck!

Darknicrofia.2604:

you can say that again?

Quad posting is the hot thing for 2013

I also thought that the actual act of escorting the yak also increased the score, but on brief testing it appeared that you actually get points for killing anything that attacks the Yak when the event completes, so still NPCs. I’ve certainly seen the score not increase when the Yak pokes his head in.

I’m talking about both of those things. That’s unfortunate that it’s complicated, but I’ll try to bring it down a notch.

Higher tier matchups get more points (game points, overall) than lower tier ones.

The magic of fractions make scores technically closer in more active tiers than less active ones, so you have a greater opportunity to achieve rank points (the kind for tier placement) in a less active tier.

Therefore the gain or loss of a tier is heavily based on an essentially uncontrollable and arbitrary factor depending on the activity level of each tier, because two teams in different tiers are essentially scored on different scales.

I hope this helps your understanding.

Hek, never once did i insult CD or FA. I was just pointing out a few things to you, and you decided to turn it into a peeing contest. There are fantastic players and guild on IoJ, and I’d take them all, even the worst player, over you any day. I’m sorry you’re mad that your “leet” guild can’t hack the pressure of a competitive field without whining about it on the forums.

Every other CD and FA player, thanks for the fights! Been a blast all week so far!

Score update please

Shardain.6947:

Can’t we all just get along and enjoy the matchup instead of whine and argue? I really have to say this is the most equal matchup I’ve seen recently, and it’s actually been fun fighting with you CD and IoJ guys.

I realize there are rules, and that treating other’s with respect is important…. but I find nothing but patting each other on the back and talking about points, to be extremely boring.

Some of you are always quick to come in with the please don’t argue comments…. but the whole point of internet forums is to give your real opinions.

Didn’t feel like taking screenshots, but here’s the score:

CD: 159188 (250)
IOJ: 146705 (255)
FA: 144482 (190)

I’m interested to see if FA can push into 2nd place these next 2 days

JPSnow.8296:

Fact cd has had a massive influx of players as they are only server now full in this tier. Saying that good on them any good server is trying to bring players to sever to either replace people leaving or make a push to higher teir. Now we just have to do the same, we already beat them 80% of the time when numbers are even just the gaps where no one is on they smash us and come bragging on the forums

FYI CD was full since a month or 2 ago

JPSnow.8296:

Really then how did your server become full , guess must be arena net just trying to make you guys look bad sorry my mistake.

I’d just like to interject on CD’s behalf here: Tarnished Coast is always full (and one of the first ones to fill up). Most of our population doesn’t participate in World vs World. I imagine the same is true of every server. Population means nothing for the top 15 servers. It’s a matter of getting some of that PvE population into WvW.

Note that Dragonbrand and Yak’s Bend are also full — those are two servers that you probably outnumber in WvW. In fact I know all three T3 servers outnumber Yak’s Bend. Fort Aspenwood isn’t full, nor is Isle of Janthir, and yet both servers outnumber the Benders.

So tell me, then, how is it possible that overall server population is in any way an excuse? /me resumes lurking.

just want to comment on the population thing : wait until see the lower population Kaineng (only on High now) overrun the higher population server in WvW….

my point is : higher population doesn’t guarantee strength in WvW. it only give you chance to have more people participating in WvW…. so, the comment saying CD beating IoJ because of the higher population is invalid….

Shout out to the [RET] [GODS] and [OBEY} Guilds for the amazing fight at pangloss mine!
Was very nice to see that portal bomb try against all the seven of us, too bad it didnt work out twice for you guys, until you eventually overwhelmed us…
We’re so baddddd…. XDDDD

Ohh forgot to mention the fights at smc! That was some amazing stuff!
When Aspenwood got it I was like “OK we lost they’ll be able to defend it for a while!” but, surprisingly enough, we had it back 20 min later.

Winning WvW requires a good population.

Winning WvW requires good strategy and execution.

I know you agree, so QFE please.

Kerithlan.1659:

I’d just like to interject on CD’s behalf here: Tarnished Coast is always full (and one of the first ones to fill up). Most of our population doesn’t participate in World vs World. I imagine the same is true of every server. Population means nothing for the top 15 servers. It’s a matter of getting some of that PvE population into WvW.

That’s a very good point. I have noticed that our dedicated commanders and WvWers weren’t around much in December (e.g. Titan War). They have since returned. My guildmates also preferred to PvE and participate in the festive events during that time.

That’s not to say that we don’t have transfers. A few guilds, such as GoF, have joined CD and they have been a much welcome addition to our WvW crew.

I also noticed an improvement in our defense. Fast responses to requests for help, and our people are splitting off into smaller groups to scout and to do smaller objectives than run with the main zerg. We have people who are willing to spring for siege weapons and upgrades. Also since the comments about commanders leading repairs – that is happening too.

That said, we still aren’t very subtle. We still have pugs who like to attack gates (despite being told not to), which alerts the other servers. Our elementalists could carry focuses for swirling winds to protect our siege. We could also do with more Mesmers, since the time warp skill helps tremendously when using siege. (e.g. in a group of 15 last night, there were only 2 mesmers).

Raincrow.1840:

Shardain.6947:

Can’t we all just get along and enjoy the matchup instead of whine and argue? I really have to say this is the most equal matchup I’ve seen recently, and it’s actually been fun fighting with you CD and IoJ guys.

I realize there are rules, and that treating other’s with respect is important…. but I find nothing but patting each other on the back and talking about points, to be extremely boring.

Some of you are always quick to come in with the please don’t argue comments…. but the whole point of internet forums is to give your real opinions.

I’m not saying it should all be sparkles and rainbows, but all of the wall of text peeing contests going on in this thread are extremely childish and silly.

Was 2 weeks of awesome threads. So now we know how long It takes people that can hide behind anonymity to start spewing their vitriol.

Shardain.6947:

I’m not saying it should all be sparkles and rainbows, but all of the wall of text peeing contests going on in this thread are extremely childish and silly.

That’s your opinion. I personally don’t think it’s fair to call what other people write “childish” considering your comments amount to whining about whining.

Some people enjoy writing / reading longer debates, if you don’t, just skip it.

Dolores.5471:

Shout out to the [RET] [GODS] and [OBEY} Guilds for the amazing fight at pangloss mine!
Was very nice to see that portal bomb try against all the seven of us, too bad it didnt work out twice for you guys, until you eventually overwhelmed us…
We’re so baddddd…. XDDDD

Ohh forgot to mention the fights at smc! That was some amazing stuff!
When Aspenwood got it I was like “OK we lost they’ll be able to defend it for a while!” but, surprisingly enough, we had it back 20 min later.

Yeah. You guys fought really well. I was particularly impressed when you portal bombed onto the side of a cliff! I thought we had lost for sure, but thankfully we had a guardian who reflexively hit sanctuary.

ryan.3915:

Kerithlan.1659:

I’d just like to interject on CD’s behalf here: Tarnished Coast is always full (and one of the first ones to fill up). Most of our population doesn’t participate in World vs World. I imagine the same is true of every server. Population means nothing for the top 15 servers. It’s a matter of getting some of that PvE population into WvW.

That’s a very good point. I have noticed that our dedicated commanders and WvWers weren’t around much in December (e.g. Titan War). They have since returned. My guildmates also preferred to PvE and participate in the festive events during that time.

That’s not to say that we don’t have transfers. A few guilds, such as GoF, have joined CD and they have been a much welcome addition to our WvW crew.

I also noticed an improvement in our defense. Fast responses to requests for help, and our people are splitting off into smaller groups to scout and to do smaller objectives than run with the main zerg. We have people who are willing to spring for siege weapons and upgrades. Also since the comments about commanders leading repairs – that is happening too.

That said, we still aren’t very subtle. We still have pugs who like to attack gates (despite being told not to), which alerts the other servers. Our elementalists could carry focuses for swirling winds to protect our siege. We could also do with more Mesmers, since the time warp skill helps tremendously when using siege. (e.g. in a group of 15 last night, there were only 2 mesmers).

Most siege skills have a cooldown, which makes timewarp useless on them. What time warp does help with would be golems and building siege sites.

I’ll admit. Every time I see a time warp on a Ballista, I die a little inside.

MuffinMan.3285:

WIGZ.8245:

appledainty.8127:

Team Dolyak [DOLY], hosts a weekly event known as the Yak Parade. It is a three-server wide celebration of Dolyaks and Fun. It is a nice break from the usual WvW business. You need to join the guild to get the time/date/location of that week’s event, and the guild provides free transformative tonics for those who want to transform into dolyaks or othersuch creatures.

Our goal is to make a loop around the entire map and then have an epic battle.

Here are some screencaps from our last, and very successful, Yak Parade:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/handymidgit/yakkington_zps2b5fdff8.jpg

We currently have no members from IoJ and only a few from FA. So I would like to encourage everyone to bring themselves and their guildies to the yak parade. All are welcome. If you require an invite, please send me a maqil in game. My username is Ellehnia.

Bring your fireworks. Bring your booze. Turn into a dolyak and run freeeee! Free as the wiiiiind blows.

<3 Ellie

I’ll be there to farm Dolyak meat. PvP in a PvP zone.

couldn’t have said it better, you have no ioj members because we go to wvw to kill…not walk dress up as draft animals.

And in response to the FA commander who was talking about blue lake (sorry, I’m bad with names and forget already) that’s a tough break…where did FA go at that point? Early in the night it seemed that you guys just left your bl

And here I thought people played video games to…have fun? The point of doing it in PvP zone is that it becomes a challenge (traversing dangerous territory and all) and then people can have a fun fight afterwards. Honestly, I don’t care if you kill us. I never have. I expect people to kill us every time we have a parade. That is part of the fun.

Buuuut I suppose pretending you’re a battle hardened warrior in a fantasy world with magical weapons is such serious business and SO much higher brow than bovine flash parades. Excuse me for being light hearted and civil! Perhaps the only kind of discourse you’re capable of using and understanding as a surly warrior from the brawny school of the brave is the kind that starts with a kitten remark and ends with an air of superiority.

I hope you feel bigger, badder and better than me. You totally deserve it!

<3 Ellie

I would like to say I am proud of my guild and the co-op we have had the last few days with other hardcore wvw guilds on our server in CD. we held Hills on CD BL for 17 straight hours the other night and tonight are having awsome fun and cooperation in FA BL. good fights, lots of capping and no QQING. some of the best wvw in awhile. Cheers to all participating, and keep it up.

Note: I didn’t read a single thing in this thread.

All I want to say is TL has been having a blast testing new strategies and meeting new enemies on the battlefield. CD certainly takes some thought as they always run superior numbers, but FA are the real gems – we typically find very dedicated strike groups that always provide a thorn in our sides.

Good fighting all.

Here the score update

Had so much fun in FA BL This evening!
Thanks for the defenders for trying really hard! You guys are very fun to fight!
So many elementalists! All that chunning stacking!
Good thing we could still handle it~

Today was definitely a blast for PvP.

A lot of great fights with [KH] and [TG].

Pangloss was definitely a victory for you, and a good strategy after SMC had fallen into our hands. But as soon as those castle walls go to wood, it’s like everybody and their sister wants a piece of it. I don’t think we held it long enough to even get a single dolyak in :P

TG defended Hills valiantly on the FA borderland. Took us an hour and 2 golems to breach and by this time the walls were reinforced. We eventually kicked them out with pure strength in numbers.

And of course garrison. I’m not sure how CD managed to get garrison. After we had secured all the keeps in our borderland we left to fight in CD BL. By the time we got back there was a blank-stare on FA’s faces. We figured out pretty soon that clearly [KH] and [TG] had put together some kind of blitz.

We stacked a lot of churns, dropped many-a-portal, but by this point you guys had put some pretty serious arrow cart presence on the inner wall and we couldn’t get past the inner gate. Getting into Garrison was the easy part. Killing the players proved less-so.

We were trying to figure out why the churn wasn’t working so well near the end there. We had 4 elementalists stacking them, but we were only getting 1 or 2 down on average. Are you guys heavy into bunker guardians? We saw a lot of them on the field today, and It’s got a few of my guys thinking it might not be a bad idea to get a few more….

At any rate, amazing fights. We didn’t win, but we’re not ‘gonna cry about it. We’ll see you again tomorrow!

appledainty.8127:

And here I thought people played video games to…have fun? The point of doing it in PvP zone is that it becomes a challenge (traversing dangerous territory and all) and then people can have a fun fight afterwards. Honestly, I don’t care if you kill us. I never have. I expect people to kill us every time we have a parade. That is part of the fun.

Buuuut I suppose pretending you’re a battle hardened warrior in a fantasy world with magical weapons is such serious business and SO much higher brow than bovine flash parades. Excuse me for being light hearted and civil! Perhaps the only kind of discourse you’re capable of using and understanding as a surly warrior from the brawny school of the brave is the kind that starts with a kitten remark and ends with an air of superiority.

I hope you feel bigger, badder and better than me. You totally deserve it!

<3 Ellie

Loads of love from TC, your way @ appledainty! Amidst all the chaos of battles, your cheerful light minded spirit never ceases to amaze me. FYI, many on TC still represent [DOLY] in their signature!

/salute

Here Commander Titan War CD Omega Warlord [LORD] Guild.

Thanks for this wvw week. Next week Green tag for CD we deserve it. Sweet.

buzzkapow.8465:

JPSnow.8296:

Because cd is on top ATM makes more sense to get points from there…..

This! CD points are basically worth double right now, because we gain those point, and CD doesn’t. Stop complaining about your BL being the target. You’re #1, so you should be the target. Don’t like it? Try a game without 3 teams then.

As for taking our whole BL, doesn’t much matter. We got it back, and we’re ahead on PPT. We’ll keep fighting and clawing our way back, regardless of the numbers you throw at us. And why is it that you have to pull out your kitten and start measuring it against everybody else? You remember this is a game, right? CD has been a good fight, FA has been a good fight. Why can’t we leave it at that instead of trying to call each other out for being baddies, or zerg guilds, etc etc… Have some sportsmanship people

when CD was 2nd place 2 weeks ago,
Korean IOJ always come to CDBL as well
so when CD was number 2, your korean ND targetted CD first
when CD was number 1,you still go for CD

tactically if you looking for points to increase your standing instead of other agenda,
would it not be better to go for a keep closer to your spawn point instead of going for garrison which gives the same point as a keep?

Actually, if IoJ was in first place, and CD was in second place, it makes perfect sense to go after CD for us. That way, you dont’ catch up. Seriously, it’s like CD is full of whiners who can’t handle a 3 way fight. We knew, and still know, that CD is the bigger threat than FA. Put your big boy pants on!

It’s not about spawn placements. It’s about going for the server that’s most likely to give you trouble. Especially when in first. Stop crying over being “double teamed”, because if you can’t hack it here in T3, you’ll be even more upset if you ever make it to T2.

Just because it didn’t happen last match, or the match before, or any match you’ve ever been in, doesn’t mean a thing. FA didn’t help CD try to take down IoJ the week we won? boo hoo, maybe they’re learning. Maybe they realize that by keeping the scores close, it’s their best chance of staying in T2. CD has some great players/guilds, but your forum warriors are starting to make you sound like a bunch of preteen emo kids. At least FA doesn’t come to the forums to whine…

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Actually, if IoJ was in first place, and CD was in second place, it makes perfect sense to go after CD for us. That way, you dont’ catch up. Seriously, it’s like CD is full of whiners who can’t handle a 3 way fight. We knew, and still know, that CD is the bigger threat than FA. Put your big boy pants on!

It’s not about spawn placements. It’s about going for the server that’s most likely to give you trouble. Especially when in first. Stop crying over being “double teamed”, because if you can’t hack it here in T3, you’ll be even more upset if you ever make it to T2.

Just because it didn’t happen last match, or the match before, or any match you’ve ever been in, doesn’t mean a thing. FA didn’t help CD try to take down IoJ the week we won? boo hoo, maybe they’re learning. Maybe they realize that by keeping the scores close, it’s their best chance of staying in T2. CD has some great players/guilds, but your forum warriors are starting to make you sound like a bunch of preteen emo kids. At least FA doesn’t come to the forums to whine…

TYy and I agree with u. Seriously, there is no double teaming going on at all,believe me!Most of the time when we are busy in CD BL we get called back to FA BL because IOJ zerg is there. I can remember when FA was hit every morning by TC and YAks bend at the same time, and yes we felt double teamed and a lot of times we were close to being pushed out of T3..there was even a TC guild called FA(good luck in tier 4)…lol!

But i gotta say we are having a blast with this matchup and even though we are outmanned in EB like 90 percent of the time, we still hold up against superior numbers.

But hey CD, so as u are green right now, would u mind having a day of the open door at your keep? I really need that vista there XD

Btw AVTR, ty for all the awesome fights, too bad we aren’t on the same sever, our guilds would have a blast together!:-)

There are two major issues with this match-up that I’ve noticed over the past month.

As Arena Net refuses to remove Fort Aspenwood from this bracket I think it has to be said that our server (since GODS basically fell apart) has zero ability to fight against the numbers of IoJ and CD. As much as I don’t doubt the FA guys try (and god knows, I do too), we almost categorically have the outmanned buff which does 3/5ths of nothing to help.

To those of you who say IoJ and CD don’t have some unwritten law – you’re wrong. I’ve witnessed it several times in the EB Jumping Puzzle where CD and IoJ pass each other by like they’re best of friends, whilst I’ll walk in by myself and get slaughtered.

This is not fun. The retort to this kind of statement will inevitably be “then don’t play”, but that’s not the point of a “game”, is it. World vs. World can be a lot of fun, but this type of match up for the past 3 weeks is getting stale. You’ve proven for three weeks running Fort Aspenwood is the bottom of the pile. Congrats. Can we go now?

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Btw AVTR, ty for all the awesome fights, too bad we aren’t on the same sever, our guilds would have a blast together!:-)

As a member of AVTR I’d have to say some of our funnest, most memorable, and sometimes most triumphant fights have been against PRO, you guys have been a formidable enemy especially in your own borderland, talk about kicking the hornets nest :p hope to see much more of you guys on the field though we generally run with much lower numbers than you guys its often great fun when we have to face off. And lol we would have a blast, alas we remain enemies :p

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