Guild Wars 2

Worban.1574:

It cracks be up so much when folks downplay DH success. There’s this atmosphere that we’re lucky or just PvE nightcappers. What those people have yet to realize, which is very surprising this far into the game’s release is (and I’ll repeat what’s been said a thousand times on these forums) WvW is 24-hour warfare.

We have worked hard to fill and improve our server’s weaknesses, including those gaps when we just don’t have enough players during some of those hours. We are ahead and I dare say, will continue to be throughout the week simply because DH is a strong server. Dispute or downplay that all you want, under the misguided view that you’re better than us by virtue of your former higher rankings on the server ladder. But SoR and DH are proof that you can no longer dismiss what were once lower tier servers from the competition, when they set their mind to fixing their problems, instead of just griping about them and their competition.

Yes, we still have a 6-8 hour early morning gap where other servers can practically walk all over us. Its practically PvE for them. So to accuse us of PvE capping yet bragging that the same can be done to us is hypocrisy if I’ve ever heard any.

Since this is 24-hour warfare, every server should be striving to have 24 hour coverage. The top-tier servers have figured that out. We have figured that out but still have some work to do. We’ve come a long ways from just having an 8-hour prime time for our server. We now have really good coverage 16-18 hours a day. Once we fill in those last remaining hours with strong teams that are as coordinated as the rest, nothing will stop us from competing in the top 3 brackets.

Don’t get me wrong, I expect a challenge from both Maguuma and NSP. And my prediction of DH victory is anything but certain. BUT just stop this nonsense of DH having no skill, no competitive edge in real battles, etc. Truth is, during all North American servers’ prime times (5pm-10pm pst) we will still win more battles than you’d give us credit for.

Once you take the blinders off and recognize your competition’s true capabilities you can actually do something against them. But those who downplay DH abilities and effectiveness really don’t know their enemy very well at all.

no offfence Darkhaven, but if Magumma had your numbers across the board you’d be toast, they are much more tactically creative and organized …..and way more frustrating to counter than anything you’ve brought to the table in this match or last week’s since this match began they’ve been the server to beat, not Darkhaven and this misguided (probably imaginary ) alliance against them is only going to inflate your score, not help ours, by effectively making NSP the cannon fodder for darkhaven’s lead to expand.

No offense taken, trapline. But do you really think we’ve shown you everything we’ve got, all the sneaky stuff we’re capable of on the first day? Honestly, the first day is just clashing between zergs and a rush for every server to grab what they can/hold what they can in a frenzy. It’s pretty close to chaos and if there was ever a time when a good plan will fail upon contact with the enemy, its during first day madness.

DH has lots more tactics and coordination up our sleeve than what you’ve seen so far. I am fairly certain you’re in for more than a few surprises int he coming week.

And let’s not tap dance around why this alliance was formed. NSP and DH respect each other for playing a fair game. That is why it was formed.

Honestly, I would rather lose to NSP in a fair fight and see them beat Mag, for all the reasons most of us here are familiar with and need not be said here.

I’d think this Alliance is in your head bro, cause me and a map full of nsp are trebbing the pish out of your keeps and kicking in your doors all morning.

I think at this point I’d hide yo kids and hide yo wives really.

Well, it’s between the organized guilds from each server. Both servers realize not everyone is on board, so your group must not be part of your core alliance. If you are, care to share your guild tag/role with us?

We will see breaches of the agreement from your folks and vice versa because not everyone on the server is on board of course. And the word hasn’t fully gotten out yet, even on our own server.

Also, this is the prime of our weakest gap (even weaker on a weekday). We don’t expect to hold much of anything during this time anyway, since our numbers are so thin. We know you know that and expect folks from both servers to make the tactically sound decision of hitting the weaker/softer targets.

I am not saying the alliance is rock solid. The idea of this alliance will be put to the test during prime time when the main guilds of each server are online, and in control of most of the forces on all four maps.

[Os] and their alliance are on board and are working to spread the word. Once again, we don’t expect everyone to comply, but if a majority of the guilds who are well known work together we can show Maguuma that neither server tolerates certain “tactics”. I’m also fully expecting sabotage posts and the like trying to delay our efforts. This isn’t about winning or one server gaining a lead, it’s a moral issue. Let’s not speak of “Darkhaven using this to gain a point advantage” because this is similar to last weeks battle so far, NSP will make a huge push sometime soon and the scores will be close. The guild leaders have spoken to each other and we all have the upmost respect for each other. No one needs to be “sworn” in to take part, they just need to make their own effort.

DH and NSP are too stick to their quadrants of the map until Maguuma either holds nothing or an insignificant amount of points. Once that is complete, DH and NSP are free to fight each other as normal; once Maguuma reclaims a significant amount both servers will finish their current objective and once again push Maguuma back. NSP and DH realize not all will comply and those who are invading will be fought normally.

Try all you want to say this is a waste of time, but it worked last night up until 2am. The night crew is being informed and trying to pass the info around. DH and NSP are taking a stand against unsportsmanlike tactics and gameplay. It’s a community effort to create a positive environment to compete in. Good luck to all involved!

@trapline

Yeah but it’s our borderlands so it’s fair game. We’ve been struggling to keep/make progress in NSP bl and EB for the past few hours. The other bl have no NSP presence really lol. If anyone ‘broke’ a ‘pact’ it was DH cuz that’s still only half their bl and they have a pretty solid presence in our bl. So to just build on what my fellow NSPers said earlier, any ‘pact’ we have is kittenlitter

Note: What do the bigshot guilds on NSP and DH know about [VIP]? Why do they have a foot in each server lol? I know they ragequit because nobody took them seriously the past few weeks, but has their rage gone as far as spying?

Thanks and well said, malixor. This is much bigger than the issue of points. It is taking a stand and making a strong statement in favor of fair play.

And for those of you who ONLY care about the points and how you finish in the rankings, think of the alliance this way…we will help ensure, almost lock in your second place finish. That’s not to say you still can’t finish 1st either.

If you are completely focused on taking us down, well you’ll see from last week that’s all fine and good now, during these, our hours of weakness, when you feel strong. But you don’t want to be fighting against us during prime-time, not when you’re struggling for a hold of second place. Certainly not until we each have full control of our own BL and our own halves of Mag map. Basically, when we’ve divided everything pretty much down the middle, pushing mag out, we unleash hell on each other and have a lot of fun in the process.

So think of it this way, we are guaranteeing you points, uncontested. Yes, you can say the same about us, but frankly, we we’re not doing this looking for such a guarantee; we don’t need it. We simply want to show Mag that stuff they’ve done to BOTH our servers on the first day will not be tolerated and they deserve to finish in last place, dropping further down the ladder, because they’re known to use these methods in every match-up and some of them are even proud of it!

Lol. What is this ‘horrible stuff’ that Maguuma did on the first day? Is it because we use Mumble?

Worban.1574:

Thanks and well said, malixor. This is much bigger than the issue of points. It is taking a stand and making a strong statement in favor of fair play.

And for those of you who ONLY care about the points and how you finish in the rankings, think of the alliance this way…we will help ensure, almost lock in your second place finish. If you are completely focused on taking us down, well you’ll see from last week that’s all fine and good now, during these hours when you feel strong.

But you don’t want to be fighting against us during prime-time, not when you’re struggling for a hold of second place. Certainly not until we each have full control of our own BL and our own halves of Mag map. Basically, when we’ve divided everything pretty much down the middle, pushing mag out, we unleash hell on each other and have a lot of fun in the process.

So think of it this way, we are guaranteeing you points, uncontested. Yes, you can say the same about us, but frankly, we we’re not doing this looking for such a guarantee; we don’t need it. We simply want to show Mag that stuff they’ve done to BOTH our servers on the first day will not be tolerated and they deserve to finish in last place, dropping further down the ladder, because they’re known to use these methods in every match-up and some of them are even proud of it!

~said DH as they seiged NSP’s garrison and attacked NSP’s corner of EB while half of DH’s bl and almost all of Maguuma’s bl were green (:

Keep the alliance up, I think it will only show you how bad NSP is if they still lose

It’s also to go without say, that Maguuma is going to be a bigger contender compared to Ehmry Bay. This weeks battle is going to end up extremely close, there is no clear winner yet and I doubt there will be until the final day.

As far as I know Reido, [VIP] are just having trouble getting all of their members into DH because we are full pop. Many of them are just waiting for an opening to occur and are trying frequently to cut over. We from DH do not believe it’s being done by NSP to spy on us, given their history on NSP server. If it’s any reassurance to you, I’ve not heard one word mentioned about using those still on NSP as spies for us. We don’t roll like that. If we did, we’d ask the remaining [VIP] members to burn keep suplies and sabotage NSP’s efforts the way another server is known for.

EDIT for clarification: We are NOT asking them to do that and HOPE they do not try after reading this thread. ANYONE caught doing that needs to be reported!

So you’re saying that you want to double team a server (possibly the most unfair thing possible) in the name of “fair play”. Did I interpret that right?

Yes you did, Rodigee. And I’m fairly certain you know why. Do you know why?

I don’t know why.

It’s a pretty safe bet that no one on Maguuma knows what you guys are patty-caking over.

Do not even warrant them a reply Worban, they will try to keep baiting it out.

I like how you automatically assume everyone is a troll just because they’re from Maguuma. Really, really like.

Javy.1697:

It’s a pretty safe bet that no one on Maguuma knows what you guys are patty-caking over.

Yea, I have no idea what the heck they’re talking about. My UT guildies, who I’m speaking with now, also have no idea. :P

It’s not fair to say everyone is, I will admit that. I’m sure there are some positive people on Maguuma…

malixor.8417:

Do not even warrant them a reply Worban, they will try to keep baiting it out.

I’d like to know what Maguuma did, too. I’m on NSP and it just seems to me that DH likes to pat themselves on the back and act self-righteous while only looking out for their own best interest lol. All I’ve seen ‘questionable’ out of Maguuma is telezerging our bay but we could have prevented that if we just scouted the bay better

Well most members who played in the first hours of reset, from both NSP and DH were buzzing all over their vents about seeing what we heard to expect to see from Maguum. We were cautioned to watch out for certain things that happened to both of us.

Main NSP and DH Guild Leaders reached out to each other to ask if they were seeing the same, and it was confirmed that we were both victims of this nonsense. Relevant reporting has been made, but it does little good since the stuff being done can easily be done by a level 10 character on a “black account”. Sure that account will get banned, but the players don’t care because its not a fully registered/paid account. It’s one of those 3-day trial accounts, which Anet needs to get rid of imo.

Anyway, the idea of this alliance between servers is not an idea from either of us to gain a point lead. It was born out of both servers being mad as kitten about what is being done to us. Certain Maguum players created this alliance with their actions.

I can tell you, from my perspective, I would not have considered such an alliance or even bothered to entertain the idea, had we not seen this happen. I agree its not the fairest or the coolest thing to do, but given these circumstances, I think it is perfectly appropriate and sends a message to those on Maguuma responsible that they will not win like that.

If you’re on Maguuma and not familiar with what I’m talking about, just ask anybody on the top-tier servers who study all the other servers in depth, and they will tell you what Maguuma is well-known for.

EDIT: For those on Maguuma that are in the dark with this stuff, I apologize, but you really should know more about your own server. DH has never played Maguuma before, but even we knew to watch out for this stuff, which started happening in the first hours of reset.

Let’s get one thing straight. There is absolutely no organized effort to do anything report-worthy on Maguuma. Nobody who has ever accused us of doing so has ever provided evidence of such. It’s funny that people just accuse goons of doing so when all we have is (some) brains and numbers. You’re free to continue your alliance, most of Maguuma won’t care. We’ve only won once in recent history and we have tons of fun no matter what. NSP isn’t going to get second either, I’m pretty confident in that. Darkhaven is no Sea of Sorrows and NSP is no Dragonbrand.

How about we just ask you since you seem to know all about it?

Funny how you threw [GOONs] guild out there when knowone evn mentioned them… :\ So it was goon thats been doin the questionable stuff?

I have no idea whats goin on here and I wont know until tomorrow cause im pulling a double tonight.

Any chance of a score update frequently on here?? Would be awesome.

Actium.8765:

Funny how you threw [GOONs] guild out there when knowone evn mentioned them… :\ So it was goon thats been doin the questionable stuff?

I have no idea whats goin on here and I wont know until tomorrow cause im pulling a double tonight.

Any chance of a score update frequently on here?? Would be awesome.

Read the first page, bro.

31749 DH +245
17060 Maguuma +310
16550 NSP +140

Didn’t see it on first page. lol my bad. Thanks anyways Saiyr!

It’s not letting me quote, so…
“EDIT: For those on Maguuma that are in the dark with this stuff, I apologize, but you really should know more about your own server. DH has never played Maguuma before, but even we knew to watch out for this stuff, which started happening in the first hours of reset.”

I’ve been on this server since the first BWE. I’ve played WvW exclusively for the past 5 weeks. Whatever you’re talking about either A] is complete bull crap or B] is true, but being practiced by a very small group of people who the majority of Maguuma players don’t even know about.

Sure looks like this alliance, if there is any, is to the benefit of only one of you guys. But it more seems to me like this is one guy and a handful of his buddies playing pretend diplomat.

Ok, spying is one thing. That doesn’t bother me in the slightest because I don’t need real-time intelligence on another server because reaction times are so short and battles are so dynamic that such information gives very little value. Nothing we can do about that anyway, and would be a waste of breath to think we could.

Planting account on other servers for the purpose of sabotage is completely different. Throwing more than just a few saboteurs into the other servers to clear supplies out of keeps and towers, wasting them on flame rams so upgrades cannot complete is another. We’ve all heard the stories of it happening at one point or another and I felt thoroughly happy about my WvW experience so far that DH had not seen that happen in a previous match-up.

Someone told me, and I’m sorry that I can’t cite it here now, that going this far with under-handed, subversive accounts is ban-able offense. So we’ve been reporting each hoping they’ll get the boot. But it takes Anet days at least to react, and in that time the damage is already done and the trial account is expired anyway. But it doesn’t really matter if its a ban-able offense or not, because as I said, the ban would have no impact since an infinite number of black accounts can be set up by a few, crafty players.

So these are not real players that we can report. The people behind it play their normal accounts clean and with a good rep, I’m sure.

Are there legitimate exploit/hackers going around or are you just getting killed by tactics you haven’t seen because you haven’t fought in this bracket or higher yet? The former happens on all servers by a couple individuals that need to be banned instantaneously. Mag wants nothing to do with cheater either and will report our own if we see it. If it’s the latter, well, welcome to some tactics we’ve either learned or developed ourselves along the way against the better tiered servers.

Edit: lol, wait. The tactics are some random newbies are taking supplies out of your towers/keeps… lol, every server has randoms that take supply out of towers/keeps. Welcome to WvW. And on top of that you’re trying to get them banned for it? Wow lol. DH might be right up there with Ehmry Bay in terms of throwing out crazy tinfoil hat conspiracies.

It’s possible your server just has some idiots blowing supply for the lulz without it being a nefarious Maguuma plot, you know.

Worban.1574:

But it takes Anet days at least to react, and in that time the damage is already done and the trial account is expired anyway.

Where are you getting trial GW2 accounts from?

Well, funny how we’ve never seen that from those “idiots” on our own server until the first hours of ou match-up with a server that is known to employ this. Granted, it may be a handful of individuals, but again, if we had a heads-up to expect it from Mag and it happens for the very first time against Mag, I think we can rule our own “idiots” our of the equation.

I wonder how we knew to expect this from Mag, yet everyone here from Mag (natrually so) claims to know nothing about this. I’m gonna listen to Malixor now, because I think most of you are not so naive as you are playing and just baiting us into a flame war. So I won’t post on this subject anymore tonight.

But I hope the Alliance between NSP and DH works out during our prime time.

If you are on Mag and disapprove, then maybe we should hear more of you chiming in by saying something like “No! That is NOT cool of our server!” and start asking some questions amongst yourselves about who’s behind it, instead playing this smoke and mirrors game and saying we just lose to bad tactics.

Rhyis.7058:

This isn’t DAoC, nor is it 2003. There is no controlling the zerg, it does what it wants. Most guilds can’t even work with guilds on their own server, let alone align themselves with an opposing force.

But people don’t change and they haven’t. Also, yes you can very easily control the zerg if you know what you are doing and have leadership skills. The zerg is like water and can be guided and controlled at a whim by someone with the mental tools for the task. Commander symbol is one of those tools.

DAOC btw had all the same things you mentioned as well. Yes both the organized and disorganized exist in every game and the difference is normally only a small group of people.

Rhyis.7058:

Are there legitimate exploit/hackers going around or are you just getting killed by tactics you haven’t seen because you haven’t fought in this bracket or higher yet? The former happens on all servers by a couple individuals that need to be banned instantaneously. Mag wants nothing to do with cheater either and will report our own if we see it. If it’s the latter, well, welcome to some tactics we’ve either learned or developed ourselves along the way against the better tiered servers.

Edit: lol, wait. The tactics are some random newbies are taking supplies out of your towers/keeps… lol, every server has randoms that take supply out of towers/keeps. Welcome to WvW. And on top of that you’re trying to get them banned for it? Wow lol. DH might be right up there with Ehmry Bay in terms of throwing out crazy tinfoil hat conspiracies.

Since Ehmry Bay was mentioned: I’ve seen alot of stupid siege placement but the only time I’ve noticed blatant intentional supply wasting was when facing GOM. We had a keep defense where a few players kept placing trebs on the front keep wall and building them. They were indeed low level and cleared out our supplies in short order.

Best I know Maguuma is best known on Ehmry Bay not for that or hacking but instead for taking full advantage of game glitches during the match-up we had with them. Game glitches happen true, it’s unavoidable, but you do not have to abuse them. Abusing glitches is called exploitation. Most of these glitches have since been fixed.

Darkhaven was solid and honorable in our matchup, Northern Shiverpeaks was the same. The calls of hacking were both rare and incidental. Both servers played a clean game in their own styles. The fact I care enough to watch this thread and defend those realms shows the respect they earned from me.

Maguuma and GOM are the only two servers I’ve faced where exploiting or hacking has been an issue. Again you can’t avoid glitches and stuff, but you CAN avoid abusing them. Just because it’s possible without a 3rd party program doesn’t make it legit.

Dude, Mag has multiple rams on top their keep walls at this very moment. Incorrect treb placement is just some guy who hasn’t done WvW before.

As an avid strategy gamer, I cringe every time someone in games like these refers to playing when your opponents are asleep due to time zone differences as a ‘strategy.’

Strategy is stuff like bluffing the enemy to get them to go to the wrong spot, and then taking a tower out from under their nose. Strategy is stuff like positioning siege to pin down the enemy at a choke point. Strategy is stuff like splitting a zerg in half using area denial, and then finishing off the divided halves.

Strategy is not playing player versus door when your opponent is asleep.

Imagine if sports games went this way. It would be ridiculous. Single teams kicking a ball into an unguarded goal unopposed by an enemy who is asleep during different hours.

Really though this is one of the (many) inherent anachronistic problems with the DAOC model of realm pvp though. Wvw is loads of fun for other reasons WHEN the armies are evenly matched. However, because this is 24/7 open realm pvp (rather than say, arranged battles where servers need to queue up their players for the match to start) it also means that when people aren’t playing is a factor.

It’s dumb, in my view – there are likely far better ways to do your ‘mass battle pvp’ that don’t involve when there’s no one online of the opposition to fight. I don’t like the idea of rewarding players in pvp for playing when there’s no opponents to fight, and nor should most other people in my opinion. The DAOC world-pvp model needs to be drastically gutted and re-thought from the inside out.

We do not hack and we do not use supply invasion on enemy servers. If you have these problems then take a screenshot and report the offender. It is not too much to expect proof of such accusations. By the way, we have never had a confirmed cheating accusation with screenshots/video. Our mumble team and all the guys who relay to the mumble team either on private voice comm servers or in chat are a really tight unit.

I don’t care if you haven’t seen people taking supply from keeps/towers you intended to hold prior to this matchup. Unless you have perfect voice comm/team chat relay you will never completely avoid this. It still happens to us on a depressingly frequent basis despite constant reminders in voice comms and /map chat.

What game glitches are we being accused of using?

So much for good first day match all servers, this is going to be an interesting week posts… Oh well, let the arguments claims of cheating, going off on other servers continue.

P.s. NSP you still haven’t checked a box, I guess you don’t like us at all… :’(

Rhyis.7058:

Dude, Mag has multiple rams on top their keep walls at this very moment. Incorrect treb placement is just some guy who hasn’t done WvW before.

I’ve seen noobs placing easily killed siege a ridiculous amounts of times. Why would I only call out only one time unless I was quite sure? During the same fight some others placed siege on the wall as well. The way these guys were doing it was significantly different and by themselves they cost us like 400 supply out of the 600 we had.

People who are doing it with rams are just the stupid exploiters because that’s much easier to pin. Lind of like there are stupid thieves and there are smart thieves.

FYI that example was also in a fight against GOM, not Mag. I was not privy to any instances of Mag doing that to us in our matchup.

Spacedad.2841:

As an avid strategy gamer, I cringe every time someone in games like these refers to playing when your opponents are asleep due to time zone differences as a ‘strategy.’

Strategy is stuff like bluffing the enemy to get them to go to the wrong spot, and then taking a tower out from under their nose. Strategy is stuff like positioning siege to pin down the enemy at a choke point. Strategy is stuff like splitting a zerg in half using area denial, and then finishing off the divided halves.

Strategy is not playing player versus door when your opponent is asleep.

Imagine if sports games went this way. It would be ridiculous. Single teams kicking a ball into an unguarded goal unopposed by an enemy who is asleep during different hours.

Really though this is one of the (many) inherent anachronistic problems with the DAOC model of realm pvp though. Wvw is loads of fun for other reasons WHEN the armies are evenly matched. However, because this is 24/7 open realm pvp (rather than say, arranged battles where servers need to queue up their players for the match to start) it also means that when people aren’t playing is a factor.

It’s dumb, in my view – there are likely far better ways to do your ‘mass battle pvp’ that don’t involve when there’s no one online of the opposition to fight. I don’t like the idea of rewarding players in pvp for playing when there’s no opponents to fight, and nor should most other people in my opinion. The DAOC world-pvp model needs to be drastically gutted and re-thought from the inside out.

It would be cool if ANet could implement scoring based on the population of foes in a map. Like reducing the point gains to 1/5 when under 20% of the opposing population is in a map, etc. Doing that at 20% intervals could be interesting.

They could also open up WvW maps one at a time. For example:
1. open up EB, when a certain % of it is filled (say 80%?) by all 3 servers then
2. open up red borderlands (since they are the lowest ranked) and when that reaches threshold
3. open up blue borderlands and then
4. open up green borderlands

And if at any point a certain borderlands were to fall below a certain population by a team, it would give an hour to increase the population back to minimum or the borderlands would be closed and/or reduced in capacity.

If anyone remembers Alliance Battles in GW1, this could be kinda like that…just bigger rather than a buncha small population maps that aren’t necessarily filled.

There are potential problems/exploits by purposefully leaving WvW when the opposition is winning but I figure that there is enough PUG interest in WvW that those who planned on leaving WvW to get an edge would end up getting hurt since they’d be leaving WvW in PUG hands. Also, as one of the two options of ‘PvP’ that we have I don’t think there would be that many PvPers wanting to NOT play just to get a few points. I’m sure other precautions could also be implemented to prevent problems.

But anything like that is probably too complicated and would cause more server stress than ANet can handle so getting a well-rounded worldwide population is probably the only way to combat servers with decent-good global populations going forward.

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

It would be cool if ANet could implement scoring based on the population of foes in a map. Like reducing the point gains to 1/5 when under 20% of the opposing population is in a map, etc. Doing that at 20% intervals could be interesting.

They could also open up WvW maps one at a time. For example:
1. open up EB, when a certain % of it is filled (say 80%?) by all 3 servers then
2. open up red borderlands (since they are the lowest ranked) and when that reaches threshold
3. open up blue borderlands and then
4. open up green borderlands

And if at any point a certain borderlands were to fall below a certain population by a team, it would give an hour to increase the population back to minimum or the borderlands would be closed and/or reduced in capacity.

If anyone remembers Alliance Battles in GW1, this could be kinda like that…just bigger rather than a buncha small population maps that aren’t necessarily filled.

There are potential problems/exploits by purposefully leaving WvW when the opposition is winning but I figure that there is enough PUG interest in WvW that those who planned on leaving WvW to get an edge would end up getting hurt since they’d be leaving WvW in PUG hands. Also, as one of the two options of ‘PvP’ that we have I don’t think there would be that many PvPers wanting to NOT play just to get a few points. I’m sure other precautions could also be implemented to prevent problems.

But anything like that is probably too complicated and would cause more server stress than ANet can handle so getting a well-rounded worldwide population is probably the only way to combat servers with decent-good global populations going forward.

Okay so if they did that then you guys would have the 20% reduction as well while you are completely out manning DH during the day. It isn’t our fault that we play at night due to the fact that we have jobs or school during the day. You people need to realize you are just as guilty of “night capping” during the day when you are up against an empty server.

btw, don’t go blaming the whole DH server for breaking the truce, I personally called it off – I am no leader of a guild or commander, I am simply a dedicated player to my server and guild, that saw for myself NSP hitting our camps over and over relentlessly taking advantage of our unprotected areas while we were attacking maguma. Our sites were not taken 1nce or 2wice, but 3 times including an attack of about 20-30 players against our keep. If the alliances to be can’t make a good effort to inform the rest of their players to honor the truce, you can be kitten sure I’ll be a MAJOR influential factor at pushing my server to strike back.

so all your alliance talk mean NOTHING to me if you do not honor any truces, we weren’t touching you and the server even went further to say “leave them alone” until we saw a push from NS to take our properties ….I DO have a way with words, I need no blue dot over my head to get things done.

“Respect my authoritah!” – I’m watching you and I don’t care what people ’talk about or agree to" actions speak louder than words and your actions were a call for war. K ?

so we’ll try this again with a simple rule “Don’t start none, won’t be none”

@StormMcCloud
That would be fine but DarkHaven is still a US server that queues during the day.

@Pepperburg, the only time we have a queue is starting around 8pm EST. When we all get on and have to work to retake everything from encamped forces that were day capping us. We honestly don’t have queues before around that time.

When I was a kid my dad used to make me pancakes every Sunday morning. I used to put boysenberry sauce on them. You guys ever tried boysenberry sauce? its a cross between a raspberry and a blackberry…very popular in the south (although I live in NH now). I miss my dad’s pancakes, he always made them so fluffy. He would add cinnamon sugar to the batter and they always tasted so good. I would always ask for 4 pancakes and he would tell me “You can’t eat 4 pancakes!” and I always said “Yes I can dad!”. I never could finish the 4, but he would make me 4 anyways because he loved me so much. Stonemist castle is under attack!

This is exactly why I was told to stay aware from the GW2 forums, the amount of mudslinging and ego blowing is mind-crushingly annoying. Every server is trying to throw other servers under the bus without any proof and just say “well you should know.” There is also an extraordinary amount of people judging the entire or majority server base due to one thing they saw happen. What?

And yes, night-capping is a thing. We are all not in the same time zone, nor did every server recruit or have people from different time zones to cover WvW presence. When you’re going around with your 20-40 man zerg and breaking down doors with little to no resistance, you have most likely caught the enemy at a time they are not at their peak. There is nothing bad about this, there is nothing you can do to change the fact they’re sleeping or working and you’re not. Own up to the fact that it’s player vs door, get your points, and move on.

hobbes.6178

When I was a kid my dad used to make me pancakes every Sunday morning. I used to put boysenberry sauce on them. You guys ever tried boysenberry sauce? its a cross between a raspberry and a blackberry…very popular in the south (although I live in NH now). I miss my dad’s pancakes, he always made them so fluffy. He would add cinnamon sugar to the batter and they always tasted so good. I would always ask for 4 pancakes, and he would tell me I couldn’t finish 4 and I always said “Yes I can dad!” and I never could but he would make me 4 anyways because he loved me. Stonemist castle is under attack.

You’ve made my day.

So my post calling out more Maguuma tinfoil-hattery was deleted oh well. I can say this thread is hilarious. That a few DH guilds hated or were worried enough about us that they would supposedly make an alliance is just funny. What they don’t know is that numbers > tactics. Mag has only won one match ever. We play for entertainment and always have. DH will win this week with their zerg tactics and we will just play as we always have.

Keep up the conspiracy theories in this thread; It’s grade A entertainment.

@StormMcCloud

Your point would be fair if it was 1v1 but it’s 1v1v1, meaning that if one server’s time is flipped then during that server’s primetime it is a 1v’.5’ or 1v’1’ at worst while during the other servers’ primetime it would be 1v’1.5’ or ‘1v2’ for each, which would give the ‘off-hour’ server an advantage if everything else was considered equal. Not saying it’s unfair because everyone has a shot at WvW if they want but I don’t see how anyone can seriously argue that it is equal at this point lol.

And as far as NSP’s primetime goes, I’m not even sure what it is anymore. In the last few days of the last matchup, we actually had enough people to get queues going for 2 of the 4 zones for a decent amount of time. Then we had 3 or all 4 zones with queues last night immediately following the reset for a couple hours (til about 10:30-11:30pm EST), but since then, including this morning and earlier this afternoon we had no queues and basically only a legitimate presence in our borderlands and EB. I actually even saw a decrease in activity as morning turned into later afternoon. I’m not sure if it’s picked up in the last 2-3hrs but no idea what NSP’s primetime is anymore.

@GuardianOMS

I agree with you completely on the whole ‘alliance’ and ‘our server is righteous because a few of your people did something even though we already admit every server has people like that so we don’t really have anything against you, just those people that every server has but you get punished anyway’ attitude. I believe that some of the people from DH (hopefully only the ones who post on this forum and don’t really contribute anything significant to their side because I have a hard time imagining a whole server like that) have gotten a serious case of engorged kitten by being on a server that has won for a couple of weeks lol.