Guild Wars 2

Gl to everyone lets have some fun.

Half-decent fights at FS borderlands.

Why half decent? Our spawn has a bug, if you leave through the center gate, you get greeted by a perma-loadscreen.

Also, Nug, it’s been weeks since Deso last fought you, yet you still hang on to that mass-blobbing so the culling system overloads. The tactic is old and lame, and clearly isn’t helping you in the end.

I hope the fights are more interesting the rest of the weekend!

Fun fights at Kodash borderlands. We wiped once at Garrison lords room and 2 times at Cragtop, so GJ Kodash for the siege you had up. Next time we will try to be better.

FS looked like they went to sleep, so we took their side of the map alongside with orb and then concentrated on fighting Kodash. Had some interesting fights against them, of which we ended up actually winning most of. Good effort from both sides.

I’m interested in seeing how the morning will turn out and what the scores are going to be tomorrow.

The fights will not become more interesting. It will be 2 servers trying to take back during the day what huge US guilds took during the night with force and sheer numbers.

FS and Kodash both don’t have any kind of significant numbers that play during EU nighttime. You guys have Ruin and props to you for getting them, since Anet said they were not going to change nightcapping etc you guys have been actively promoting to get guilds from overseas to fill the slots. However don’t expect an interesting fight if you have 2 servers that can probably get 50 people per map while you are up against a guild that supposedly needs 4 digits to display the amount of members they have.

I’m positive we will put up a proper fight during the our primetime and wake up to an all blue, fully upgraded (I believe you guys are blue this round) map.

My first impression: Not impressed at all by Ruin. Weak tactics, mostly inferior players(both gear and skill, or so it seems). Lots of players though.
We kept them at bay rather easily on the map we were assigned to because they never split their zerg or employ any kind of advanced raid tactics whatsoever. Even though we were outmanned we wiped their zerg several times. We even raided their middle keep with 4 people (+some for the lord once doors were open) and they didnt even notice until it was too late.

After most of us (germans) went to bed they started taking over the entire map though. Same with FS, they barely have anybody online right now (it’s 5am in central Europe). I expect this to get even worse once the weekend is over.

I fail to see the point, why would any massive US guild do this to themselves……

@Same: Just FYI, IRON is an EU guild and we capped all of FS-BL nontheless. What most surprises me is that every single one of our opponents seem to be either a glasscannon, or lvl1 scaled up or idk. Everything dies whenn I hit it twice, and I’m full-tank specced.

We pushed FS back multiple times having only half their numbers at severel stages and none of us actually died. I especially remember NUG dying very very quickly and then even leaving the BL all together (or staying in the spawn-area) as they realised they could not compete.

So far we had 2 good fights, 1 at Bay and 1 for the orb. The rest was just facerolling through enemy corpses. Thanks for the Badges anyways, I’m now only 3 short of my 500 (was 72 short before the reset).

- Bloodsteel

P.S.: It was also pretty fun actually downing about 5 FS players (&finishing 3) whilst holding the orb. (Even though I eventually was killed and the orb reset…)

My thoughts on it all are simple. There’s nothing that is making people think about transferring. Right now the issue for US guilds is that Oceanic guilds are beating them during off peak hours. US guilds get fed up and because transferring is free they might aswell go for the easy way out and leave. EU is the best place to do that so why not right?

I’m not saying Anet should stop Free Transfers because I don’t think that’s the solution either. Stopping with Free Transfers is just going to freeze the current state of WvWvW where there are 2/3 servers that are so freakishly full because everyone wanted to be on the winning team for free. While the rest of the servers will become ghost towns.
Even the complaints are no longer about nightcapping and/or a broken point system but the complaints are about insane amount of queue times. Which is completely logical if you are on a server that is dominating the competition (be that straight up or because there is no resistance at night) and everyone likes winning better than losing and the transfer to that server will be without any downside.

After seeing no change at all in WvWvW in the last 6 weeks I’m almost sure Anet will not be able to fix this without somehow hurting WvWvW.

You heard it here first, if Anet isn’t going to find some way to deal with the population shifting issue there will be loads and loads of people that will simply stay logged in while having a bot making them move or some mechanic device making slamming their keyboard so they don’t get logged out and having to queue for 2 hours to get into WvWvW again due to the insane population of the winning server.

@DavidMonthen
I can recall a couple of big battles, none of which we outnumbered your server. When the reset hit FS-BL had 50-75 people in it tops and I think that’s even really really pushing it.
It was mainly Ruin and Iron we had to fight off in big numbers. We got you guys on your backs atleast twice but the moment my clock hit 3:00 and your server was pretty much done on the other maps FS-BL got more and more crowded with Blue and we started going to bed.

Again, I’m not complaining about you guys having US guilds or that you are advertising for more overseas guilds, I’m just saying you can’t expect a proper fight that way.

EDIT:
I would like to add that by the time you actually managed to get the orb away from us you had us outnumbered by atleast 5 to 1. With which we eventually even managed to take a tower and keep your zerg at bay for quite some time even though with every passing minute our numbers got smaller and your numbers got bigger.
All in all, congrats on the badges!

Celes.9726:

My first impression: Not impressed at all by Ruin. Weak tactics, mostly inferior players(both gear and skill, or so it seems). Lots of players though.
We kept them at bay rather easily on the map we were assigned to because they never split their zerg or employ any kind of advanced raid tactics whatsoever. Even though we were outmanned we wiped their zerg several times. We even raided their middle keep with 4 people (+some for the lord once doors were open) and they didnt even notice until it was too late.

After most of us (germans) went to bed they started taking over the entire map though. Same with FS, they barely have anybody online right now (it’s 5am in central Europe). I expect this to get even worse once the weekend is over.

I fail to see the point, why would any massive US guild do this to themselves……

Ya, you snuck one on us at garrison, which we took back immediately and proceeded to take every thing else back. Besides your sneak attacks, didn’t noticed any thing I was impressed from you guys either, only was in one losing battle myself against you.

We hold them off long time in their Borderland, but well FS made the main mistake in attacking us first instead of US Guild Infusion Desolation..

We will change Strategy and i hope FS join our attempt to do it, maybe we should swap also to some nasty things, any FS Guilds/Alliance Leaders and Battlefield commanders can whisper me ingame or send pm to change knowledge of their tactics, behaviour and weakness.

ruin seems to win only when there are almost no opponents, fun way to play :S

You do understand we lose more than half our force at around 2am right.

@Same

Far Shiverpeaks’ early morning crews actually seem to be larger than even Desolation’s night crews. As such it might actually be Desolation that has to log on every day UK prime time to fight fully upgraded keeps, not the other way around.

I believe this will be a much closer and much more entertaining match than you seem to think.

Talking about Zergs and no tactics Nugos was dancing on DB walls in their own border for half an hour against a force 1/8 of their size You are so terribly advanced we can never keep up with you!

EDIT: Adjusted ratio.

Yhea we had the same problem in 3rd tier our force start’s strong but gradually weakens ( we have to sleep eventually), while our opposition starts to wake up and grow in strength. We still need a guild with a prime time, time zone during my 2 am to 6 am. Until that happens our server will continue to have this dead zone for a few hours.

One more week then Ruin will have a night time oponent in Elona/Arborstone

score update—-stuck at work

Desolation: 17,928 – 155
Far Shiverpeaks: 12,869 – 350
Kodash: 8.393 – 190

Oh, Hi Zorlak, you mighty Norn!

Right. Time to get the points back into our favour now!

-Bloodsteel

score how far did FS come back over the night?

FS coming back fast. WTB people on Desolation who want to WvW.

How about we refrain from the petty flaming? And night zerg/morning zerg rubbish and talk about the positives in this match.

I hope free transfers remain, so that servers may recruit guilds to cover certain timezones to enable them to compete with the servers which have 24/7 coverage.

Anyway this fight is far from over and looks like it might become one of the more competitive/even match ups we have seen.

i wasnt flaming if that is what you meant i just wanted a score update. I never flame over night capping its part of the game. so anywho score update?

stuck on overnight shifts!

Celes.9726:

My first impression: Not impressed at all by Ruin. Weak tactics, mostly inferior players(both gear and skill, or so it seems). Lots of players though.
We kept them at bay rather easily on the map we were assigned to because they never split their zerg or employ any kind of advanced raid tactics whatsoever…

I fail to see the point, why would any massive US guild do this to themselves……

What’s wrong with Zombie Tactics?

I hate the fact that ever since a US guild joined the desolation server, the majority of European desolation players don’t put much effort in WvW at peak times and rely on the US guild to cap everything and give desolation the huge points increase. The last match desolation only won due to their sheer numbers in nightcapping because they were getting outcapped by blacktide in the day/evening, until majority of blacktiders didn’t even bother playing due to the huge gap of points between the two servers. It just shows that without the US guild and people putting more effort in night capping then normal capping, desolation isn’t that great of a server in terms of WvW.

noncon.3126:

I hate the fact that ever since a US guild joined the desolation server, the majority of European desolation players don’t put much effort in WvW at peak times and rely on the US guild to cap everything and give desolation the huge points increase. The last match desolation only won due to their sheer numbers in nightcapping because they were getting outcapped by blacktide in the day/evening, until majority of blacktiders didn’t even bother playing due to the huge gap of points between the two servers. It just shows that without the US guild and people putting more effort in night capping then normal capping, desolation isn’t that great of a server in terms of WvW.

So when Desolation caps a relatively empty world late at night it is bad, yet when Blacktide do the same thing a few hours later with all their Russians that is okay, someone needs to pay a visit to Mr Objectivity.

@Sylosi

I could not agree more. I see many Realms recruiting on these forums to get 24×7 coverage. So when a US guild moves to fill a time slot for an EU server there are issues?

Anet has made a game that needs 24 hour coverage, honestly we still lack full coverage on this server.

We need more numbers and more coverage for T1 viability as do many servers.

huh. i thought prime time for eu players is starting at 8-9pm, when people get home from work. That is pretty much when I play wvw and am yet to see someone to be so much better than desolation at that time as many claim

how long did ruin cap?

when i came on, we(FS) were trailing over 12000 points, ive been on for about 13 hrs now and we are still trailing by about 2k points,

we have held over 50% of the map for 13 hrs straight and still couldn’t make up the points.

am defiantly not looking forward tomorrow.

ruin should join far shiverpeaks, good day and night crew should make a powerfull merge

Nice teaming you got there.

There is only one European server with 24/7 coverage and its Desolation. Vizunah and Elona Reach have a lot more at night than Far Shiverpeaks but far less than Desolation.

Desolation has easily enough players in the morning to hold what they have. In the morning things are equal and in terms of timezone and numbers but the Desolation players have no organisation or leadership and give up. I guess it easier to come up with excuses than actually try.

Never seen a server with a more defeatist attitude than Desolation. You are the probably the most populated server in Europe and have by far the largest time zone coverage. What you lack is organisation outside of Iron and Ruin, but most of all what you lack is spirit. Soon you will be up against far more people at night and morning than FS due to having two time zones. We will see then whether you lack loyalty as well as spirit.

Deso may have a full server, but that doesnt mean WvW is full. During last week we was able to enter any borderlands (didnt try RB) without any que all day every day. I understand alot work during the day, but of the ones who were on, we still couldnt fill up WvW. We do have alot of “fair weather” players, but we was winning last week and still wasnt full.

I am in Iron, along with ruin and a few other smaller guilds, we work well together. We do organise ourselves and support each other, but we can only do so much with limited numbers. There are just too many empty spaces.

Ral.5326:

There is only one European server with 24/7 coverage and its Desolation. Vizunah and Elona Reach have a lot more at night than Far Shiverpeaks but far less than Desolation.

Desolation has easily enough players in the morning to hold what they have. In the morning things are equal and in terms of timezone and numbers but the Desolation players have no organisation or leadership and give up. I guess it easier to come up with excuses than actually try.

Never seen a server with a more defeatist attitude than Desolation. You are the probably the most populated server in Europe and have by far the largest time zone coverage. What you lack is organisation outside of Iron and Ruin, but most of all what you lack is spirit. Soon you will be up against far more people at night and morning than FS due to having two time zones. We will see then whether you lack loyalty as well as spirit.

If you think Desolation have a good morning crew then you’ve clearly never been on Desolation in the morning.

The one time period we lack is that morning time.

RUIN are definitely welcome to FS. You will not have to carry server all by yourselves then =p.

RUIN don’t carry Desolation by themselves as it is now…

or kodash :P

Na the matchup is nice, especially during our EU primetimes, FS hits like a truck especially Nug or something like that, and Iron is not bad either.

But iam proud that FS and us could Push Desos with Iron on their Side out of FS Borderlands even when it was a classic 2v1.

During night time Desolation is capping everything, during day time they’re really really bad.. (Not pointing at RUIN since they can’t run a whole server by themselves) Since 9:30 am (GMT+2) Far Shiverpeaks had +300-400 all day while Desolation had 180-190. Kodash is doing fairly well, didn’t really expect that.

Talel.2879:

During night time Desolation is capping everything, during day time they’re really really bad.. (Not pointing at RUIN since they can’t run a whole server by themselves) Since 9:30 am (GMT+2) Far Shiverpeaks had +300-400 all day while Desolation had 180-190. Kodash is doing fairly well, didn’t really expect that.

We don’t have the day time forces. That’s what every Desolation player keeps trying to say. We do badly morning and day because we don’t have the players.

Come evening we get IRON on in force, closely followed by RUIN.

Desolation? Hmmm... nothing special.

Desolation server…

I have about 5 thiefs from JQ that are thinking of transfering to your server. Who are we….. Well all those videos you see of thiefs coppying our builds weve been using since day one. Thats us. Anycase, we want to get decent ques so we can all do our thing together and such. We 3 man lords, take on 3 times our sizes and win. Question 1. Is your que times good? Question 2. Even if losing do you guys continue to fight on, like get orbs etc.

BTW – If we come, I will be recruiting thiefs that want to put a hurt on anyone. We will work with you on tower,keep taking, zerg stalling, doing 10v1 s. etc.

Seems to be pretty even and fun combination of servers atleast during normal EU playing times. Remains to be seen if the nightcrews come and spoil the fun.

Elkantar.9460:

or kodash :P

Na the matchup is nice, especially during our EU primetimes, FS hits like a truck especially Nug or something like that, and Iron is not bad either.

But iam proud that FS and us could Push Desos with Iron on their Side out of FS Borderlands even when it was a classic 2v1.

The reason Deso was so bad in FS is the bug thats been previously mentioned.

IComeInPeace.1768:

Desolation server…

I have about 5 thiefs from JQ that are thinking of transfering to your server. Who are we….. Well all those videos you see of thiefs coppying our builds weve been using since day one. Thats us. Anycase, we want to get decent ques so we can all do our thing together and such. We 3 man lords, take on 3 times our sizes and win. Question 1. Is your que times good? Question 2. Even if losing do you guys continue to fight on, like get orbs etc.

BTW – If we come, I will be recruiting thiefs that want to put a hurt on anyone. We will work with you on tower,keep taking, zerg stalling, doing 10v1 s. etc.

Concerning the ques: Assuming you guys are from the US (as JQ is a US server I believe) you will be playing in our night-time mostly. We have RUIN running our nightshift now, meaning there are ques for EB at any given time during our night (your day). These ques are about 20-30minutes in average (so fairly short). There are no ques or only very short ques on any of the borderlands at any given time of the day. (Worst que I had within the last 3 weeks was 30min on a BL, 1h on EB and I did play WvW about 14h/day the last 3 weeks as I was on vacation…)

I have actually seen videos of you guys and would like to see you live. I think you will find Desolation to be a server that is being turned into one of the Tier1 contenders right now. We still have a lot of work to do to get there, but we are working on it and are confident we will succeed.

Concerning the current matchup: I expected the weekend to be exactly this, a hard fight pretty much all day & night. (Except for the morning, beause that is when Desolation lacks players…) We’ve had some good fights today and I can say that the servers in this tier are definitely a lot stronger in terms of coordination and overall player-coverage throughout the day than Blacktide & Augury Rock last week.

It’s going to be interesting to see how the week progresses, as Desolation usually starts playing properly on Mondays. For some weird reason we are weaker on weekends and stronger during the week.

-Bloodsteel

FS showed what it can do at full strength today. Deso once again proved they give up to easy. Now this is just the weekend, FS has been known to lose a lot of coverage during the week, so will be interesting to see what will happen.

Also why not join FS IRON?

That ‘weird reason’ is easily explained: the EU Servers can’t maintain as great a nightshift as on the weekends during workdays. Your US Players simply dominate much more in numbers from Monday on.

weird reason my kitten #8230;

Desolation can’t leave from the main spawn area of FS borderlands, effectively limiting our playing in that map. And Kodash has a bugged orb. Thanks Arenanet.

Desolation always had less players during the day on weekends, it will improve on week days. I still think we did alright even with the sometimes difficult W+WvW scenarios that happened at both FS and Deso borderlands.

But yeah brag all you want, the week hasn’t even started yet.

There are many small guilds on Desolation that are increasingly being belittled and marginalised by a certain few large guilds, in particular Ruin.

During the quieter hours, most of us little randoms try our best at forming small strike teams that go around taking camps or towers. However, what makes this work is we use map chat to coordinate efforts.

Ruin doesn’t talk on map chat, instead depending on us randoms either be psychic or in their words “join Ruin”. Any effort at trying to get them to talk is pointless. We are always told to stop the qq.

I’m just particularly annoyed about tonight because our borderlands was a lost cause for about 2 hours. Then a couple of us small random guilds decided to work together and managed to take back not only 2 towers but also the garrison. Shortly after we took the garrison, Ruin arrives in large numbers, starts their zergball and ignores our efforts at coordinating or talking. They just live in their own TS world. We get told to quit our whining as usual or “join Ruin”.

Now, unless Desolation belongs to only 1 guild, at this moment, all I would end with is: “Ruin, great for Desolation’s score, bad for Desolation’s community.”

yes, I am upset at the moment at how Ruin hijacked our efforts and belittled us. I am just making an attempt, no matter how futile, to get Ruin to remember that there are many in Desolation who are not part of Ruin but would give their time to fight for Desolation. All we are looking for is helpful communication from you at times.

Why the need for all this mudslinging by all sides?

Last week we (Desolation) were up against a server very similar to Far Shiverpeaks.

Early mornings Blacktide (heavy Russian presence like FS, but not as many Scandinavians) captured everything. During the evening everyone had around equal numbers and lots of fun was to be had. Late nights Desolation captured everything (heavy UK & US presence). The cycle continued throughout the week, yet the amount of swearing and cursing over the entire matchup is dwarfed by the spite I’ve seen just in this small thread. If this continues throughout the week this whole thread is going to be absolutely terrible.

Can’t we just enjoy the fact that we are all having some fun during the time everyone has equal numbers, and stop throwing kittens at each other over the periods none of us is having fun? Just try to enjoy this match for what it is, because if you can’t enjoy it, then there’s no point in even queuing up.

florence.1674:

Ruin doesn’t talk on map chat, instead depending on us randoms either be psychic or in their words “join Ruin”. Any effort at trying to get them to talk is pointless. We are always told to stop the qq.

If you joined their Teamspeak server, you’d know this isn’t true. When randoms come and tell them help is needed in some specific borderland, they usually seem eager to help out, so long as they’re not otherwise preoccupied.

They also usually have someone to talk to people in map/team when they have something important to relay, even if it is not their commanders themselves typing out the relevant information.

I’m not saying they’re going out of their way trying to strike up some concrete alliance with all the pickup groups on the server (and I’m not sure anyone would expect them to), but they’re definitely not ignoring them or constantly belittling them either. (at least not that I have noticed)

I’m saying this as a solo player, just running around in my very own one man guild, so if anything I guess I’d be the first person to notice if they showed no respect to small guilds or solo players. So far I’ve actually enjoyed working with them, so make of that what you will.