Guild Wars 2

Elkantar and Chris,

Let me tell what I personally think – as an average Desolation player. About current situation and your posts.

1. On the video – you got 30 point game. Which means that you are being angry because you loosing badly. Which I understand and can appreciate. Personally I enjoyed fighting your server – as you are an organised and well prepared opponent. Yet not strong enough (because in 24 hour war – 24 hour presence is the main strength.)

2. Which guild is driving the progress on Desolation for a last week? Ruin. So it is natural for you to be upset with Ruin in particular. If something happens – get Ruin leadership to responsibility!!! Is this a serious position? Nope…

3. Ruin is a big guild. Our players follow our commanders, act on their own, and are part of various groups. Ruin tries to be in the hottest spots at all the time – therefore it feels like “All is done on Desolation -is done by Ruin”. Which pleases us – but is not quite true or even realistic. I wish though there were just us – it is usually about 50% of Ruin and 50% of other guilds/random people.

4. I am an average player. I am attacking the keep – and see the portal. I use the portal and appear inside the keep. What should I do to your point? I’ve done it before – as it is a tactic to hide a mesmer inside. Is this the case of same tactics? I do not know. I am not going to stop there – and start figuring this out. I am doing the best I can do as a soldier to win – will be killing you and siege and whatever is there. What can happen? Someone could be there hiding. Wall could be repaired behind. Someone could have cheated (not excluding this possibility). I was not there though. But I imagine that what happened. Was it easy/realistic to stop a zerg from keep fighting? Nope.

6. Did that event change anything? No. We’ve took your keeps in less than 7 minutes, regardless of how fortified those are. Using golems, rams and old good wall suppression. At that point of game/time of a day – did that event make a difference? No. We would have taken this keep other way.
Is hiding a mesmer inside and using a portal a CHEAT? No. Both sides used that.

7. Finally. I think you need to apologize. As blaming a SERVER (or a guild) for one non-caught cheeting – is offensive to me. You just called my guild leader a cheater. And I don’t see a screenshot of Ruin player doing something criminal on that video – except for fighting (that is what we usually do).

One last thing I can tell you – from being in this guild long enough. Its leadership uses other meanings to win. We do not encourage, cover or god forbidden cheat to get our victories. So please stop this nonsense.

Gray i didnt blame you at all
instead iam gratefull for what you try to do and i bow my head for that, calling your troops back etc. i was in Teamspeak with paestan before i wrote something, and when you read some pages back i always say you have nuts and a man of honor between the lines.

Since Ruin and their leadership is personally responsible for everything that any player does on Desolation, I must assume the same is true of the Kodash server, their guild leadership is personally responsible for all bugs, exploits, and hacks that occur on their server, as nothing ever happens on any server without the express written approval of top guild leadership. Therefore, I demand reparations from the Kodash server for an arrow cart I lost due to a Mesmer glitching a Berserker through a keep wall. This arrow cart was my close personal friend and I have suffered grievous psychological trauma since I lost him. His name was Jim the Arrow Cart and he will be missed by all who knew him.

So if every player on Kodash could please send 1 copper and an apology to me this should cover the losses both monetary and psychological. I also require that Arenanet ban all Kodash players for at least three days, and erect a memorial on the site that Jim the Arrow Cart died due to hacking (North wall of the Kodash keep, which we have owned for many days). The memorial will be a reminder to everyone that Kodash supports exploiters. For anyone on Desolation who is as traumatized by the loss of Jim as I was, there will be a short memorial ceremony for Jim at the Kodash Keep in Eternal Borderlands (which we still own and will continue to own) tomorrow at 0:00 GMT. RIP, BYOB, QQ.

SkeletalLlama.5381:

Since Ruin and their leadership is personally responsible for everything that any player does on Desolation, I must assume the same is true of the Kodash server, their guild leadership is personally responsible for all bugs, exploits, and hacks that occur on their server, as nothing ever happens on any server without the express written approval of top guild leadership. Therefore, I demand reparations from the Kodash server for an arrow cart I lost due to a Mesmer glitching a Berserker through a keep wall. This arrow cart was my close personal friend and I have suffered grievous psychological trauma since I lost him. His name was Jim the Arrow Cart and he will be missed by all who knew him.

So if every player on Kodash could please send 1 copper and an apology to me this should cover the losses both monetary and psychological. I also require that Arenanet ban all Kodash players for at least three days, and erect a memorial on the site that Jim the Arrow Cart died due to hacking (North wall of the Kodash keep, which we have owned for many days). The memorial will be a reminder to everyone that Kodash supports exploiters. For anyone on Desolation who is as traumatized by the loss of Jim as I was, there will be a short memorial ceremony for Jim at the Kodash Keep in Eternal Borderlands (which we still own and will continue to own) tomorrow at 0:00 GMT. RIP, BYOB, QQ.

I’m not sure this goes far enough tbh. Jim the Arrow Cart was of near human intelligence, clearly, so they should be banned for at least 2 weeks. RIP Jim: you’re in a better place now

Poor Jim, may he rest in pieces

R.I.P Jim. May those who destroyed you be punished by Blood and IRON and be RUINed.

These accusations toward the guild as a whole are infuriating. I happen to be in RUIN and have heard time and time again the commanders on TS tell us that it’s not okay to hide in a keep and mesmer portal in to capture. We’re good enough to do it the right way and that’s always our intention.

I appreciate the video which did a great job showing that all the walls were in good shape…unfortunately, whether a hack was or was not used, that video had no way to show that a gate or wall was not fully repaired after the fact. I have absolutely no problem believing that someone did something inappropriate so I’m not calling anyone a liar, but the video and screenshots prove absolutely nothing.

More to the point of the problem is the accusation that RUIN intentionally misused a feature of the game to attain unfair advantage. My argument against the fact that anyone knowingly did such a thing is that time and again I have found myself beating on a gate when a wall has already been downed by a trebuchet at another area of the keep or tower. Some keeps are very large, and so when a portal opens up right under my feet I’m going to take it as opposed to running all the way around to search for a broken wall. Using portals to get inside keeps in this manner is perfectly acceptable.

The sad truth here is that you were robbed of a great opportunity to hold a keep. Even though I was not in that borderlands or a part of the fight I am sorry that this happened to you. But I think it shows a serious lack of tact and class to come to the forums slinging accusations that good people and honest gamers did this intentionally.

I have only ever heard and seen honorable play from my guild. Admittedly, I’m on the fence about whether spawn camping is honorable, but truth be told, if my front gate is being camped I know of at least 2 other ways out to avoid the siege. But exploits are absolutely not tolerated, we despise that behavior as much as the rest of you.

Lastly, the original thread regarding this situation was deleted for it’s obvious inflammatory nature. Yet the same people who were silenced there for that behavior are here again raising the issue. Not that I think this thread is particularly productive anyway, but it would be a shame if this thread were also deleted because certain individuals cannot follow the proper protocols for dealing with these types of situations.

RIP Jim The Most Honest And Brave Arrow Cart in Tyria, You will never ever be forgotten. with this i ,call upon all desolation soldiers to wipe all the existence of red marks in all borderlands and battleground. to make them remember, that we never allow exploiters exist in Tyria
(sry for bad english)

Is seems clear that desolation ist going to win this round. During prime time alle three sides are rather even. maybe far shiver a litte bit ahead. But because night capping is the only way to win atm, well done desolation.
I have yet to understand why a huge guild would join a eu server only to cap everything and then sit around for hours doing nothing. If they really were looking for a challenge, there ist no point in choosing a eu server, maybe in t1 you will have more than 10 enemys to deal with. On the other hand on american servers you would have had the challenge all along. But perhaps it would have been a problem making your way to the top….

Each server has kittens cheating one way or another…
If you have proof of any player of RUIN using a hack or cheat iam 1000% sure he gets instandly banned.

Realy guys you cannot blame a guild or a server for 1 or 2 of these cheating kitten img src="/include/images/smilies/sad.png" />

Sunday SM siege’s from both FS and Kodash inside the Lord Room where EPIC.
We had a Kodash mesmer running upstairs porting their army in and sweeping all our sieges ( kitten you guys !!!!)
After that we had to fight with our teeth and nails for 1 hour straight.
This was for me the most epic battle in quite some time.

We also holded Klovan for 3 hours of Pure fanatic Far Shiverpeaks army…
It seemed they never even stop to think about giving up, they just kept comming and comming and comming wave after wave after wave for 3 hours…..that is determination of a great community.

We had blown up 20 trebs and numerous arrow charts balista’s catapults in that sige, untill we where kicked out.

Please do not blame a whole server for cheating when none of us had anything to do with it.
Ive witnessed nothing but pure fighting spirit from both FS and Kodash.

Catastrophin.3928:

I have yet to understand why a huge guild would join a eu server only to cap everything and then sit around for hours doing nothing. If they really were looking for a challenge, there ist no point in choosing a eu server, maybe in t1 you will have more than 10 enemys to deal with.

If they manage to return to D1 [RUIN] will get their night fun with Arborstone night crew and probably Vizunah (if VS wont break from demoralizing factor until then). But while they will have all fun at nights (but without +700 ticks this time), EU population of Desolation will suffer and will lose points, because honestly it’s just the same unorganized mess that we have seen on previous match-ups.

sarmatiko.2843:

Catastrophin.3928:

I have yet to understand why a huge guild would join a eu server only to cap everything and then sit around for hours doing nothing. If they really were looking for a challenge, there ist no point in choosing a eu server, maybe in t1 you will have more than 10 enemys to deal with.

If they manage to return to D1 [RUIN] will get their night fun with Arborstone night crew and probably Vizunah (if VS wont break from demoralizing factor until then). But while they will have all fun at nights (but without +700 ticks this time), EU population of Desolation will suffer and will lose points, because honestly it’s just the same unorganized mess that we have seen on previous match-ups.

Don’t get me wrong yesterday you where pinned to your resurection point durring day time and not just once , we lead at the morning with about 5k points which pre night even increased not decreased , we might not be as organised as your server but we still stand our ground.

very disapointing, one is deffending his last keep while all the other maps are already totally blue, and you are far less than half of the atackers. and a group of this huge zerg thinks its ok to bug into the keep and get in even more with mesmer portals…..
again some fairplay as a good part of them left the keep again as soon they heard it was bugusing invovled, but still all our arrowcarts etc were destroyed and there was just no way we could defend it that way. Very lame. I don blame the whole server, but everyone atacking shadaran profitet from the hackers as all our defensive siegeweapons were destroyed. very demotivating. its hard enough to lose all your stuff to a huge night zerg, but then even exploiting is involved, makes one want to stop with WvW.
i hope Anet starts acting, i won’t watch this much longer, every week cheating, flying orbs, people bug into keeps etc.

btw: hiding a mesmer and getting in a whole zerg is OK. i see no problem with that, but this was not the case in shadaran, i was on the whole afternoon, and not once was a door or a wall open.

I think this matchup is good at primetime EU good fights i like it. Great advantage from this matchup nearly no queue times on Kodash and no wtj.

Abuser are on all servers no need to blame a server for that.

I hope we play against Seafarers Rest next time, until now the best in fight and tactics in the fights i was involved.

Okay, I didn’t write anything here yet, but I might as well now that the weekends are over.

First of all, I saw one person here talking about Russian nightcapper – that person is high and should be ashamed of himself. While we really would like to do that, we can’t cause we got jobs, families and (the horror!) real lives in general to deal with. If someone would pay me to fight online wars – I would make that my day job and night job too.
Actually, we do have people on the server playing at night, trying to stay up as long as they can. But, 1) this is not Russian initiative, it is being organized by our European allies, and 2) it is being made in response to nightcappers, not the other way around. I do believe that on Saturday night that crew was active through the night, and they said that our server did well up to 5 am. I don’t know if they were doing night time during Sunday night, but the results we got speak pretty clearly.

Now, I played this weekend for quite a while, at Kodash map on Saturday and mostly on Desolation map on Sunday. I will say that overall we got better points at Saturday, so Deso probably played harder that day. in terms of pure strength during day time, I’d say Desolation didn’t change much. Sure, they got more enthusiasm now that they have people to try and get into tier 1 nightcapping fight, but when you get down to it – I didn’t feel any change from when FS fought them in that very tier 1. Yes, they got strong zerg, when they gather it together, but that’s pretty much it.
Kodash I never met before, and I was pleasantly surprised – you guys know how to fight using your head and all the resources you got. While against Deso it was just pushing or containing their zerg, I can right now remember 3 gret moments against Kodash – 1) Saturday, Kodash BL, the amount of siege you had on your orb, and how many tried we had before getting it, 2) Saturday, Kodash BL, 4 trebs protected by catas and hidden way beyond the edge of the cliff that pounded on our keep from garrison. That constant treat was tiring, but it was a good fight, 3) Sunday, Desolation BL, when you used both stealth tactic and distraction attack to get Garrison from us. That was a really good move.
So, in my opinion, Kodash is harder opponent than Desolation. Well, with WvW system the points our servers got right now do not show this, but hey, nothing can be done about that, I guess. At least it is interesting during prime-time for me, so I will be looking forward to the time I get from work today.

i was yesterday the whole night at shadaran and i report every player, who use the mesmer portal to get in. i hope arenanet ban some of u guys.

sarmatiko.2843:

Catastrophin.3928:

I have yet to understand why a huge guild would join a eu server only to cap everything and then sit around for hours doing nothing. If they really were looking for a challenge, there ist no point in choosing a eu server, maybe in t1 you will have more than 10 enemys to deal with.

EU population of Desolation will suffer and will lose points, because honestly it’s just the same unorganized mess that we have seen on previous match-ups.

IF an unorganized mess had manage to keep the score lead by at less 4k(it was 4.8k when I had to logout)..what does that make of your Organized team then?

I’m not waiting for anyone to give Desolation players credit! We know how far we came and going to word harder to move forward.

I /salute all WvW Guilds & Pugs who toke the time and made the effort to make a change on our server.

Proud Desolation Player

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Nightcapping is fun Desolution

Let the good times roll xLellx.3928.

xLellx.3928:

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Nightcapping is fun Desolution

I’ve been on Deso since day 1. I’ve seen the ups and downs. Myself and a few of my RL friends have just joined Iron and I can tell you that the difference is organisation.

We used to do well 3 manning supplies while the bigger guilds took keeps, but now… well, now have both Iron and Ruin for backup, and we speak to them about whats going on.

firsthand, I yet to see any underhand tactics from Iron or Ruin, in fact the opposite. Sure, there are bad eggs everywhere, but if they are in Iron, im yet to see them.

Sorry FS, Kodash. Deso is now a lot better organised, the pugs have joined guilds with stong leadership, IRON, Ruin, GoD, GG, Lor etc and with our nightshift we are now just moving ahead.

your challenge is to close that Gap. GL

Again nightcapping is part of WvW, why else do Far Shiverpeaks make posts on these very same boards to get USA / Asia / Australian guilds to join that server ?

The amount of spitting to a server that made an effort to fill the weak spots to secure 24/7 WvW coverage is a joke.

Does it suck for servers who do not have that weak spot ? yes totaly agree.
But invite other guilds who can make that happen as WvW is and will always be a 24/7 game.

Also we had great times in EU prime time and it was nikkel and dime with the score, sometimes FS leaded sometimes Deso leaded sometimes we where 3trd etc etc etc
But the fights where close and no server was steamrolling another server.

Saying Desolation was a bunch of baddies when the score was almost even whole weekend shows bad sportsmenship and a bitter tone….
Is Far Shiverpeaks that bitter all of a sudden ?

it cant be from the prominant guild at Far Shiverpeaks becuase anytime we meet them on the battlefield they show they are not a group to mess around with.

We have nothing but respect to show for both FS and Kodash, dont turn this matchup into a bitter flame fest, it is not needed people.
Want to take revenge ? show it where you need to show it on that epic battlefield where we will all fight to the last minute.

Iam sure that it wont take long before other top servers in EU get more time zone’s to cover the gaps, untill then fight hard and show your server belongs where it belongs, at the top.

People, if you feel u improved your game in last few weeks and that’s the reason you are coming back to Division one then i’m just gonna say “Good Luck”. My friendly advice is that you have to improve day gameplay, you don’t suck but you are far behind Elona Reach or Visunah Squere. As the EU speaking realm i will follow the results of division one in the next week and hope you will reach rank 1. My guild played first day on Eternal map, we had 12h raid of 40 people with 2 Commanders on the field and at this moment i can’t say you were worthy opponents. Sunday morning, after i saw that all our effort was useless (full upgraded SM went down after we close our raid and all upgraded Towers went down) i call out all organized raids until next reset as i don’t see this as a fair fight. U may insult me or my point of view but i like a fair fight, taking SM and Towers on empty map without any resistance and reaching 9k advantage before prime time may be efficient but don’t tell me its a achievement that i have to /salute you on.

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Why we ask for american players? Cos of the servers like Desolation and Visunah who destroyed WvW competitive play. We work hard on strategy and organization, we imp our game play everyday but its useless when we lose so much points at night. If we wanna stay at top 5 now we have to reorganize and invite people from other time zones to minimize damage from night cap. We don’t need night shift to win versa others, we need night shift to absorb the damage from night cap.

Pherenice.8124:

Again nightcapping is part of WvW, why else do Far Shiverpeaks make posts on these very same boards to get USA / Asia / Australian guilds to join that server ?

The amount of spitting to a server that made an effort to fill the weak spots to secure 24/7 WvW coverage is a joke.

Does it suck for servers who do not have that weak spot ? yes totaly agree.
But invite other guilds who can make that happen as WvW is and will always be a 24/7 game.

Also we had great times in EU prime time and it was nikkel and dime with the score, sometimes FS leaded sometimes Deso leaded sometimes we where 3trd etc etc etc
But the fights where close and no server was steamrolling another server.

Saying Desolation was a bunch of baddies when the score was almost even whole weekend shows bad sportsmenship and a bitter tone….
Is Far Shiverpeaks that bitter all of a sudden ?

it cant be from the prominant guild at Far Shiverpeaks becuase anytime we meet them on the battlefield they show they are not a group to mess around with.

We have nothing but respect to show for both FS and Kodash, dont turn this matchup into a bitter flame fest, it is not needed people.
Want to take revenge ? show it where you need to show it on that epic battlefield where we will all fight to the last minute.

Iam sure that it wont take long before other top servers in EU get more time zone’s to cover the gaps, untill then fight hard and show your server belongs where it belongs, at the top.

We currently have a post looking for guilds for our off time. However denying that we beat you during our prime time is silly. We had a solid 200 point per tick (I believe your min was 120 and highest was 200) lead for atleast 6 hours on sunday.

As i already said many times, the primetime EU its pretty even its a give or take and switch, there is no steamrolling from either side…
Sometimes you have to fight 2 servers at once and Desolation had enough zergs invading our lands this weekend from both Kod + FS, offcourse this is kittening your score…
But the same can be said when Deso and FS invade Kod
The same can be said when Des + Kod invade FS lands…
You cannot maintain a solid score when servers are equal in strenght and you get doubled.

I dont know what you are trying to prove ?
WvW is a dynamic battleground where scores shift up and down, having a lead for a few hours or dropping to bottem doesnt mean anything….
It only shows you struggle for many reasons.

Stop attacking Desolation with all these forum warriors…
It only creates bad karma for your server.

Once each top tier server has off peak presence it starts to balance out.
We will soon be fighting VS / Arbor both with opff peak presence.

Iam sure many Far shiverpeak players hope to see those 2 servers finaly getting some competition as they have been capping FS for almost 2 months in a row at night.
Its time to return the favor and show that Desolation finaly builded up off peak presence to counter them.

I realy hope you guys get the same off peak presence soon i realy do, but come on quit the flaming man.

To all the people on FS who have complained about RUIN and how bad it is that Desolation needs a US guild to night cap for them, I am LOVING your recruitment thread.

You guys should just turn around, its alot faster than back peddling.

Starscream, it’s funny how all Desolation players become pro in last 2 weeks and how they minimize the effort of FS players and contribution of DL guilds (Green Fire, Za Drots, Nug). Yes, we drop from division one and we won’t come back next week. But how long we stand our ground, how long we fight without american players after you guys drop to division 3? Try to stay calm after this week and realize why you are in division one, RUIN PvE guild may leave your realm like they did before and what you gonna do after? We know where we are and why we are here, i suggest you to do the same. Once you lose 3rd shift (this way or the other) you will hit the ground and realize why i wrote all this.

Tactically we are a bit behind all the servers around us, always have been (deso since day 1 of headstart here). This is largely due to having a massive chubby on for attack and little care for defence. Both fs and kod, and other servers we have fought in the last few weeks, have tactically outplayed us at times (holding supply camps, starving us of supply etc). Our all out attack mentality does have benefits but we still need to raise our overall game.

Also 24/7 coverage is part of the game, specially if you want to be in the top half of the table, wtb oceanic guilds

Kirn.3129:

3) Sunday, Desolation BL, when you used both stealth tactic and distraction attack to get Garrison from us. That was a really good move.

That was a nice move, although we didn’t get to keep the Garrison for a long time. Between Desolation attacking from NW and you pushing up the water entrance our victory was shortlived but fun.

What I really hate about the state of WvW at the moment (besides the culling problems) are the hacks. The wide availability just makes these threads tedious and as a simple player you really don’t know if the tower which just turned red did so because of a fair fight or because somebody exploited it. I for one would like all hackers to burn in their version of hell and be banned from the game permanently.

Allegations and vitroil help no one. Please just keep up the good fight, report hackers and help your server in every (fair) way possible.

There are many guilds and commanders on the Desolation server other than Ruin. The position this server holds within WvWvW would not be at all possible without the cooperation and participation of these other guilds and commanders on the battlefield.

These guilds will not be named at this moment as it would not be fair to any I would possibly leave out, but so far Desolation has proven to be a powerful force and without the continued cooperation of it’s many guilds, these victories would not be achieved.

Vukanigia.5496 I think you are misunderstanding where I am coming from, I do not think I am pro, and while there is alot of banter on these forums I have respect for FS and Kodash in the game. Deso has had good fights off them since the start of the match up.

My problem is all the hate, the deso bashing and the complaining about RUIN and night capping on these forums. There is just no end to it. Then i see the recruitment thread and it smacks of double standards. I have never complained when I had night capping done on me, and if i had I would now be a hypocrite.

Yeah maybe when/if we get to T1 we will get our butts kicked. Could happen easily, but you wont find 1 post from me about night cpping or QQing because of some reason. Some you win, some you lose. But I will be staying on Deso either way, and so will IRON.

All these Farshiver tears NOMNOMNOMNOMNOM

oh ‘em far shiverpeaks and their morning capping are actaully thinking that they’re better than the rest of EU servers lol.

Played entire Saturday & Sunday and would say FS had a big lead taking back 10k points on Desolation during the day on Saturday and was actually in the lead pointwise, lost it to Sunday though and the matchup was alot more even during daytime Sunday than Saturday.

All servers getting so owned by other nightcappers would whine on the forums I guess, and thats what we get 3 pages of here.. Sad to see you got 690 points through the night and now got a lead on over 20k lol.. Well, goodluck in tier1 where you’ll meet other nightcappers aswell :- )

Jroekke.7210 Couldnt agree more, wish more posts were as constructive as this.

Desolation EU <- what’s wrong here?
Hint: The “EU” flag.

sank.9176:

but so far Desolation has proven to be a powerful force and without the continued cooperation of it’s many guilds, these victories would not be achieved.

Victories like on Saturday?
1) http://i.imgur.com/DMOgR.jpg
2) http://i.imgur.com/FBtuU.jpg
3) http://i.imgur.com/qlB5w.jpg
4) http://i.imgur.com/5p2BZ.jpg
5) http://i.imgur.com/2ZNn3.jpg
6) http://i.imgur.com/kmYjc.jpg

Seems to me Demogat you are forgetting something, Anet made each server region free.
EU guilds on USA servers
USA guilds on EU servers
Aussies free to go ?
Asians free to go ?
And where do the russians need to go ? they not alowed to play GW2 ?

Maybe stick to Structured pvp Demogat ? its alot more fair as it seems you cannot handle that servers are recruiting guilds to cover their off peak hours.

Yeah, so basically this is Anets fault, not the players, theyre just trying to adapt to the way WvWvW is built, nothing to do about it. FS just getting kitten because the matchup is quite even when EU people are actually playing, difference is we got no nightcrew to talk about so getting completely owned at night.

One more time:

Why we ask for american guilds? Because of servers like Desolation and Visunah who destroyed WvW competitive play. We work hard on strategy and organization, we improve our game play everyday but its useless when we lose so much points at night. If we wanna stay at top 5 now we have to reorganize and invite people from other time zones to minimize damage from night cap. We don’t need night shift to win the game for us, we need night shift to absorb the damage from night cap from servers like Desolation.

We don’t cry about WvW, its a awesome concept, the best part of GW2, i just laugh at how high you went in your eyes after you got free point collector from US. I’m aware that situation changed and that if we wanna stay in top tier we have to cover 24/7 and we will do that. Anyway, hope to meet you after that happen so prime time fights actually do some influence to game score.

Wow… look at all the crying.

Good work Desolation. The guilds on our server are definatly working together. The average player has learned to start using comms with the larger guilds, and learning the ins and outs of wvwvw.

Was a rough start this match, but after an all day blitz against both FS and Kodash, its clear we’ve risen to the challenge. The false claims of hacking, the crying about Time Zones or Nightcapping and the general malaise of FS and Kodash are clear signs they are eroding under our hard work and effort.

To the guilds, to the commanders and to the players of Desolation, keep up the good work everyone.

The falme wars has begun

I dont care about nightcappers Kodash loses often against server which have a good night force, and it is ok. If i have fun in WvW in primtime im ok with it. In some month every top 10 Server must have a 24/7 force to stay in top 10.

For german server it is difficult to ask for help from US or other timezones cause the main language on the server is german and the most US/RUS guilds want english as main communication. The only german Server which have a good nightforce is elona reach.

sarmatiko.2843:

sank.9176:

but so far Desolation has proven to be a powerful force and without the continued cooperation of it’s many guilds, these victories would not be achieved.

Victories like on Saturday?
1) http://i.imgur.com/DMOgR.jpg
2) http://i.imgur.com/FBtuU.jpg
3) http://i.imgur.com/qlB5w.jpg
4) http://i.imgur.com/5p2BZ.jpg
5) http://i.imgur.com/2ZNn3.jpg
6) http://i.imgur.com/kmYjc.jpg

you mean when you start the morning capping? peaks time fights have been even so far the only difference is at night desolation is night capping and in the morning FS is morning cap everything back, not to mention upgraded keeps after the morning caps which makes it harder for other servers to retakes the keeps back at noons.

Saturday peak time fights have been even? Where? I must check once again but if i’m right you were no threat at Eternal at all. We were laughing so hard all day on your fail try to take SM or Towers, you even menage to lose QL and Langor, Durius also, but i must admit our camp group had a hard time at south camp vs Deso zerg so we had to send main force to clear the mess.

Note*

R U I N was at Eternal in the night between Saturday and Sunday, they wait for us to leave the map so they can PvE, that’s what we did around 02 and left 10-15 people to play around. SM was fall around 05 if i’m informed right.

You may dominate the EB at Sunday but we pull our raid from WvW after we saw the results of your PvE raid and we will stay out of this until next reset. Some players will play in small groups but without our Commanders.

Sird.4536:

Haha funny seeing Deso fools all happy the americans are bailing them out. Enjoy the Ruin Train.

I barely saw any Ruin during whole Sunday up till about 10pm CET and the score has been in Desolation favor almost the entire day starting 10am.

It’s 1pm CET right now and we are still leading. You think Ruin is playing till 6am their time or something as well? Blacktide was crushing us 6am-4pm CET everyday last week.

Stop finding excuses. Fix your time gaps, improve your game.

Mimaktorn.4769:

sarmatiko.2843:

sank.9176:

but so far Desolation has proven to be a powerful force and without the continued cooperation of it’s many guilds, these victories would not be achieved.

Victories like on Saturday?
1) http://i.imgur.com/DMOgR.jpg
2) http://i.imgur.com/FBtuU.jpg
3) http://i.imgur.com/qlB5w.jpg
4) http://i.imgur.com/5p2BZ.jpg
5) http://i.imgur.com/2ZNn3.jpg
6) http://i.imgur.com/kmYjc.jpg

you mean when you start the morning capping? peaks time fights have been even so far the only difference is at night desolation is night capping and in the morning FS is morning cap everything back, not to mention upgraded keeps after the morning caps which makes it harder for other servers to retakes the keeps back at noons.

Apples and oranges. Look again, I don’t care about RUIN nightcapping. Most of us don’t. It’s the “look at us destroy you with a 40k lead” which is creating friction because of the simple fact that your nightcapping goes uncontested for atleast 6 hours while our “morningcapping” is a maximum of 3 hours because Russians have GMT + 4 vs GMT + 1. Also I have yet to log on in the morning and see FS rock a + 600 lead. More often than not have I logged in around 9:00-10:00 GMT + 2 and see us clawing our way back by taking fully upgraded crap.

I honest to god don’t get how you could compare a 6 hour practically uncontested cap vs little or sometimes no upgrades, due to heavy fighting in prime time, to a 3 hour lightly contested cap vs fully upgraded stuff.

Again, I don’t mind the nightcapping, you got a nice allround force but don’t call it even ground and yell you are owning us inspite of it.

RamzaBehoulve.5640:

Sird.4536:

Haha funny seeing Deso fools all happy the americans are bailing them out. Enjoy the Ruin Train.

I barely saw any Ruin during whole Sunday up till about 10pm CET and the score has been in Desolation favor almost the entire day starting 10am.

It’s 1pm CET right now and we are still leading. You think Ruin is playing till 6am their time or something as well? Blacktide was crushing us 6am-4pm CET everyday last week.

Stop finding excuses. Fix your time gaps, improve your game.

I have no clue which server you are playing on but FS had a lead almost throughout the entire sunday which we started to lose around 19:30-20:00 GMT + 2.

Vukanigia.5496:

You may dominate the EB at Sunday but we pull our raid from WvW after we saw the results of your PvE raid and we will stay out of this until next reset. Some players will play in small groups but without our Commanders.

So this is what you gonna do each time you meet someone with a “night shift”? Pull out your guilds and not make an effort? This happened last week to as I notice.. Lets drop some tiers instead so we’re not meeting them, oh the logic.. Gonna be sad for you if you meet some more “PvErs” as you call em next week.. Cheers from a fellow FS player.

There are still more player from Balkan Legion in WvW then any guild from your alliance so stop flaming me. If you read the FS forum you could see that i wrote Balkan Legion will have groups of 15-20 people on EB but no big organized raid with Commander and that i will use this situation to work on my group and improve our play style. We won’t focus on taking SM or something but on cooperation and communication in our raid.

We did what people ask from us, we come to Eternal around 14h at Saturday, SM was claimed around 15h, we fully upgraded Castle, Towers and keep with a pressure on enemy’s Towers and camps. At some point we hold 70% of EB, raid started at 14h, last for 12h without stop with 70 people participating in it. After we call the raid off a we put a 3 groups to defend what we have, they were in EB for 2 more hours.

So next time before you wrote something read our official forum 1st.

Pherenice.8124:

Seems to me Demogat you are forgetting something, Anet made each server region free.
EU guilds on USA servers
USA guilds on EU servers
Aussies free to go ?
Asians free to go ?
And where do the russians need to go ? they not alowed to play GW2 ?

Maybe stick to Structured pvp Demogat ? its alot more fair as it seems you cannot handle that servers are recruiting guilds to cover their off peak hours.

How about Int. Server?
Honest the EU flag has no sense for me.
And yes, it is arenanet fault.

Shtra Quo.1932:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Sorry, but comparing US nightcapping to Russian morning capping just isnt the same thing, not even close.

There is an avarage of 8h difference between europe and the US, while russians are only 2 hours ahead of central europe. That gives the US roughly 6 hours extra. This might not be so serious on weekends when people can sit up and play. But during weekdays its a hell of alot different. When euros have their morning time its usually time for work, when US nightcapping starts its after work.

When euros sleep, americans play.
When americans sleep, euros work.
When americans work, euros play vs other euros in equal numbers or close to it.

Big difference.

You missed the point in “Russian morning capping”. They get online in the morning and stay on all day. That means they have almost no resistance during central european daytime (8am till around 5/6pm). So you have to add another point to your list:

when euros work, russians play.

You should really learn time frames. The russians morning capping is a viable excuse on weekends for about 2-3 hours. And honestly, the number of russians are probably not even close to the number of US players on deso, plus deso have russians too.

The thing is, during the week it becomes a moot point, or do russians suddenly not work? You see, they are AHEAD of us in time, leaving them very few hours for free capping, those extra hours are when the US are online too. I assume most gamers play until around eleven or midnight on weekdays.

Between 00.00 and 05.00 CET the US can roam freely. Around 05.00 CET the russian get out of bet, thats between 7 or 8 for them. This is during a weekday, if the working russians want to get any playtime in and “morning cap” befoer work they need to get out of bed at 03.00 CET 5-6 their time. During which time the US players are still awake and happy. So in reality, the only onces having free caps are infact the US if you just know how timezones work and how people work.

The russians will never be freecapping in a real way, because on weekend they have the US players playing until maybe 08.00-10.00 CET (not uncommon, I used to play Daoc/WoW/WaR with family in the US and those were the times they went to bed usually on weekends, then up again around 15.00 CET). Before the US logs off the rest of europe awakes and indeed Deso is a EU server so you have nothing to bicker about on that point. Deso had as much population as FSP at start, that was before the US migration to the server.

So why cant Deso EU players fend for themselves?