Guild Wars 2

White Moas, stupid auto correct on phone :/

With the culling issues, how can you tell you’ve been faced by greater numbers consistently? During last weekend and early this week, the only battles I saw a ton of SoR was when we had only 3 groups fighting a zerg. When zerg meets zerg it’s really hard to tell.

Aww.. I go to sleep to being in the lead and wake up with SoR up 30k from being down 20k when i got off. Oh well, good match.

Hope SoR loses this matchup. This SoR sucks compared to the last 2 weeks. Feels really crummy and lacking. Server isn’t ready for T2 anyway. Could also be the fact that there was only 2 servers fighting this matchup when WvW is designed for 3 servers -.-

the only weak link sos has is between 12pm and 5pm pst on weekdays, but even then we didn’t roll over and just let sor take everything back. we made you work for it.

i would say our NA coverage is quite strong (12-5 is not NA prime time)

I welcome this loss. SoR players had become complacent even before this matchup started, and this is the stubbed toe we needed to shock us out of that (I hope).

For whatever reason, people seem to get their knickers in a knot whenever you suggest that what they’re doing…isn’t optimal. It’s seen as a personal attack or some such, when in fact you’re just trying to point out that what they’re doing isn’t working, that maybe they’d like to try something else…

These are the two greatest issues facing SoR right now, and correcting these would go a long way towards making us a better server. Kindly loosen your knickers…

ONE: Cohesion
This is SoR’s greatest hurdle. Three “community” voice chat options are being pushed right now on SoR; Raidcall, Teamspeak, and Mumble. It’s inneficient to fracture our resources like this, and it’s confusing the PUGs to no end; the large WvW guilds need to swallow their pride or stow their ego, pick one, and stick with it…and they need to do it soon.

As an addition to this; PUGs, you players need to get on these servers and pay attention to commander orders. Stow your egos and your “Why should I listen to him/her?” drama and do it.

TWO: Defensive Strategy
In short, SoR needs one. I can’t believe the number of times I’ve toured our borderland and seen keeps and towers with no defensive weaponry setup. In fact, undefended locations are the norm for SoR. Then, when an attack DOES come, the predictable occurs and PUGs scramble, trying to build a dozen arrow carts, or catapults, or ballistae, with the 100 supply in the tower…and end up with a dozen half finished arrow carts, catapults, and ballistae.

The use of force multipliers like siege weapons would make defending a keep or tower so much easier. An arrow cart gives one player the defensive capabilities of two players; the more carts you have, the greater the effect. Toss in some ballistas and one or two catapults (for dealing with enemy siege placement attempts), and your tower is now a veritable challenge to take, even for a large enemy “zerg”.

But you have to build that stuff BEFORE THE ATTACK OCCURS, not as it’s happening. Capture a tower or keep, and immediayely start putting down siege weapons. Lots of them. It may seem “boring” but it’s the difference between the best servers and us.

Learn this SoR, or keep working five times as hard as the enemy to achieve the same results…

RiversOnFire.3607 wrote:
I bet 1 Badge for the victory of SoS, anyone dare to challenge me?

I did, and now I owe you a medal. Send a forum PM to me with your SoS character name and I’ll see if I can get in-game cross-server mail to work. (I’ve sent a forum PM to you already. )

I’m at work now, but I’ll be playing GW2 around 21:30 GMT.

I think next match up will be interesting. I am hoping that the commanders of SoS continue to work together and perhaps ask each other for suggestions. If you make a mistake and causes a wipe or loss, w/e don’t worry about it. That’s how you get better as a leader imo.

I loled when i saw this on guru. since it was a quote from this thread i thought id share.
http://i48.tinypic.com/35cr2me.jpg

Obed.7629:

RiversOnFire.3607 wrote:
I bet 1 Badge for the victory of SoS, anyone dare to challenge me?

I did, and now I owe you a medal. Send a forum PM to me with your SoS character name and I’ll see if I can get in-game cross-server mail to work. (I’ve sent a forum PM to you already. )

I’m at work now, but I’ll be playing GW2 around 21:30 GMT.

I do believe the badges are bound.

Sheesh, I logged on last night thinking we were outmanned and that was why we were losing so bad, but it was a half hour queue and people running around with their heads chopped off.

Best match-up since launch. I can’t believe we were still within 100 points of each other, almost 1 week from the start of the match-up ( Thursday Night 2300 hours GMT -5 ). It’s been a pleasure to fight with and against you all.
See you again in a week,

Mortisha

Great fight here on SoR we got a little compare t towards the end and SoS made us pay. We have some really good guilds and commanders on this server but we lack organization overall. People need to get in the community voice chat guild leaders and pugs alike. This community seems to have a lot of pride attached to it saying things like" props to all original server people" yes people have joined but some are very good guilds and have contributed significantly to this server already.

“…yes people have joined but some are very good guilds and have contributed significantly to this server already…”

I like 1 or 2 of the guilds who joined us 2 weeks ago. All the guilds that have joined for this week’s matchup, however, would make me terribly happy by just leaving again.

Well, one of the biggest issues I see on SoR is that we are very often outnumbered. Almost any time of day I can get into WvW without any queue time. It is fairly erratic.

A chunk of our server is actually composed of game devs, who rolled here because of its dedication by ArenaNet. That being said, most of us work 60-80 hours a week randomly. It is not something steady unless we are in crunch. So, the server matchmaking is likely not going to ever be able to predict that.

It really is true what some others have said. SoR very often is fighting 3 to 1 odds, holding on as best we can, sometimes winning, sometimes losing.

More importantly, when it is literally 6-15 of us defending or assaulting vs ~50 SoS, SoS has gotten very VERY good at using the loading limits and culling in their favor. They sit at their door so we run up only seeing maybe 1 or 2 of them. They can see all of us, and then when we get close, BAM. I am not complaining, you guys are doing a seriously good job at utilizing systems, even if unintended, at your disposal.

The truth is, we have good players. However, our lack of consistency in player count and dedicated commanders has really put us in a bind. We will lose this time, likely win our next matchup, but as of this moment, i can not ever see our server moving beyond tier 2-3 with our current issues. What we need is more guilds who are on consistently. They need to communicate, and actually work together. The times we actually have people on, it basically is just a follow the blue dot Zerg.

Thanks for the memories SoS, good luck in T2.

SoS wow!! I had so much fun playing against you guys!! You have perfected portal bomb and drove me crazy lol <3

CD you never gave up ever and were always a threat. Thank You for so much fun!

SoR I hope we have learned from them. Can’t wait for reset.

Was the most fun I have ever had in WvW.

@FractalChaos.6539 RE: Defenses

I saw a lot unequipped fortifications last night and earlier in the week. During previous matchups, we typically had a smattering of catapults, arrow carts, and ballista soon after grabbing a tower. But that was before our rush of transfers and the jumping puzzle lock out.

Interesting chat going on in the screenshot, I can answer some of those question.

Most likely you guys will get rocked by Isle of Janthir, considering HoD will be a non-factor and IoJ is amazing in a server vs server 1 on 1 setting. Things you guys might want to watch out for: IoJ has people dedicated to taking supply camps and they aren’t afraid to drop down a load of alpha siege golems.

Concerning CD, yes each week CD lost commanders and guilds because people got tired of the WvW scene on this server, since the first week it has gone no where but downhill. No guilds ever wanted to transfer to us to make us more competitive, so the only choice was for guilds and commanders to leave.

How can people from SoR say they are outnumbered most of the time by SoS? From what I hear there is a full queue most of the time during primetime NA.
I’m sure depending on where you were and when and different perspectives, you can come up with the feeling that you are outnumbered. If ANET posts numbers on how many people were in WvW(avg) per time zone I doubt SoS was a lot more than SoR. SoS was stronger on EB and SoR BL while weaker on SoS and CD BL.

Against IoJ, don’t count yourselves short SoR. I don’t believe IoJ is all that better than SoS/SoR. If people log on and play WvW and we have coverage, why can’t we beat IoJ? In any case after HoD and ET goes down, it’s going to be fun every week in T1 and T2. We’re all going to have fun regardless.

I hope everyone on SoR stays on SoR and everyone on SoS stays on SoS so we can have a fun re-match.

A problem with setting up siege right after taking a tower that I’ve experienced a whole lot this matchup would be trebuchet fire from the keeps. My guild has around 20 players available so we don’t quite have the instant pop supply it takes to set up suitable defense all at once.

Very frustrating not being able to hold small number objectives with force multipliers like we used to. The only location on the map where we could do this seems to be pangloss but it’s… not easy to sneak over there between your very active territories.

But oh well. One of these days the server won’t just give up on Saturday and we’ll maybe even have at least twenty people on every map throughout the day.

Chidawg.6315:

How can people from SoR say they are outnumbered most of the time by SoS? From what I hear there is a full queue most of the time during primetime NA.
I’m sure depending on where you were and when and different perspectives, you can come up with the feeling that you are outnumbered. If ANET posts numbers on how many people were in WvW(avg) per time zone I doubt SoS was a lot more than SoR. SoS was stronger on EB and SoR BL while weaker on SoS and CD BL.

Against IoJ, don’t count yourselves short SoR. I don’t believe IoJ is all that better than SoS/SoR. If people log on and play WvW and we have coverage, why can’t we beat IoJ? In any case after HoD and ET goes down, it’s going to be fun every week in T1 and T2. We’re all going to have fun regardless.

I hope everyone on SoR stays on SoR and everyone on SoS stays on SoS so we can have a fun re-match.

There had been queue most of the time however since wednesday, I have only encountered a queue once which was last night. I think a portion of the players from our server became overconfident with the point lead we had which is why there were less players until last night when people realized that we were losing. I believe the numbers aspect stems from that time period.

In any case, I do not mind our server coming in second place because it was a relatively balanced match-up and wasn’t a 1-way steamroll.

Just one tip to SoS. While the uni-zergball strategy might be effective at defeating smaller zergballs, it is not the most efficient form of taking things. 5 people can take a supply camp almost as fast as 30 people. 15 people can take a tower almost as fast as 30. With some of the organization you guys have shown this week, you guys could be even more effective if you made the most use of each player.

Good match. Thanks. Farewell. Also, I smell better than you.

Well CD & SOR from me to you, Thank you for letting me smash ur skulls all week no but srsly ty for the AMAZING match up! its been a good time! and SOR i look forward to fighting u guys again in t2 or t1
-Marrett

It was stressful, it was brutal, but it was by far the most fun and exciting WvW week I’ve had yet. My hats off to SoR for being so relentless. I’d love to see a rematch in the near future, regardless of which tier it happens within.

As for the “X outnumbers Y” claims, I personally can’t say either side is right on that one. There were plenty of times where we had a ridiculous zerg against SoR, and just as many occasions where we were the ones being rolled over by their angry mob. It was really just a when-and-where thing. Being outnumbered happens, and outnumbering your opponents happens — reacting appropriately to these inevitable situations is what’s important.

Regardless, this has been an amazing week all around. SoS and SoR both showed some real strength. Even CD as the underdog of the week shined, constantly throwing wrenches into both blue and red gears. We’ve all learned a lot from this week. Let’s patch up our scars, clean ourselves up, and fill our strategic gaps for the next match.

Everyone line up for high-fives and orange slices. We’ll go out for pizza later.

New match in 2 hours, let’s leave this weeks wvw on a good note :p

The reason they Zerg supply camps has nothing to do with ow.ing the camp. They take it to drain the supply, then move on to another and Zerg it till they have a fully supplied Zerg. 50 people = 500 supply = insta build on most any equipment, most efficient for speed taking keeps. It helps when you throw down 4-5 superior rams on each door. Ever seen them melt away with 4-5 superior rams hitting them? It is a problem that every server I’ve been on has. Build two or three rams on outer, and no-one has supply for anything on inner, get wiped, rinse and repeat. When I have commander on, I like to run my group around all the supply camps in the area for everyone to supply up.Unfortunately, people think it is stupid to do this, but it is absolutely necessary to keep your army supplied even IRL.

Numbers and excuses aside, SoS is clearly the winner in this match-up. Good game. You guys had a huge push on Thursday to secure the win. Grats on making it to T2. Hope to see you again in the future for round 2.

Well done to all parties involved, some videos from The Republic (SPQR) perspective:

www.youtube.com/user/trguild1

among others.

Very well played by SoS, look forward to a rematch in the future with you!

IoJ and SoS in T2 this week. GL and hopefully it can be a fun week just like this week was for both of us.

How can people from SoR say they are outnumbered most of the time by SoS? From what I hear there is a full queue most of the time during primetime NA.
I’m sure depending on where you were and when and different perspectives, you can come up with the feeling that you are outnumbered.

Between 12 pm -> 8 am west coast time is the dead zone on SoR. Most cases it’s outmanned buff for majority this week excluding fri/sat/sunday. There is no ques as well. If we could fill this gap, then the morning shift would not have to try to take everything back all the time. This match was decided purely on Oceanic presence: SoS has more and that’s that. I will give PRX credit though, they carried you. Make sure to thank them.

Anyways, good game.

Good game SoS! You kept this battle interesting and challenging. You earned our respect.

In response the the bet of a WvW badge, Isredel.4302 writes:
I do believe the badges are bound.

You are so right. Shucks. But that was one fun match; I hope this week’s turns out as exciting.