Guild Wars 2

fade.8603:

The best “strategy” is a “winning” one, be it in tactics or in numbers.

There lies one problem, the people that think winning is everything.

So when your numbers don’t help you win, why don’t you guys try anything other than smash harder or give up? Edit: I hate to be the person saying this (again) but it’s one of the reasons you moved down the tier. You’re winning against populations with fewer numbers but when you face the same thing, you get your face kicked in and seem to not learn anything.

GuardianOMS.8067:

fade.8603:

The best “strategy” is a “winning” one, be it in tactics or in numbers.

There lies one problem, the people that think winning is everything.

So when your numbers don’t help you win, why don’t you guys try anything other than smash harder or give up? Edit: I hate to be the person saying this (again) but it’s one of the reasons you moved down the tier. You’re winning against populations with fewer numbers but when you face the same thing, you get your face kicked in and seem to not learn anything.

well, people are complaining CDs are using numbers to win.

I don’t blame CD for having higher numbers. It’s just part of the game.

I’ve played against servers with higher numbers AND great tactics. Sea of Sorrows comes to mind (their NA players were pretty bad, but their Oceanics had superior numbers and knew what they were doing.) That was hell. Fort Aspenwood and Tarnished Coast also come to mind.

Playing against CD is more funny than anything, watching them just graveyard zerg something until the gate goes down. I can’t count how many times in the past 2 weeks I’ve seen them siege something without the common sense to take the nearby supply camp so we can’t just jump out of the back of the tower and run and get more supply. In some cases I’ve seen 40 people just ignore dolyaks going into the tower/keep. The constantly trying to build golems in front of keeps is the best…I’d love to transfer for 24 hours just to be able to read their map chat, because it seems like it’s just a huge clusterkitten.

There’s a possibility CD and YB will switch in the next match. The mos site has that prediction but the numbers for the T3 match is six hours old and YB has caught up to FA since then. But I think the switch could still happen if CD pulls ahead in this match. As an FA player, I want to fight CD since we haven’t fought in a 7-day match yet. It will change things up a bit in both tiers even if it only lasts a week and they switch back after.

Not sure why everyone is still crying zerg when CD stomped on both EB and MG’s faces during NA primetime when the numbers were equal or more in their favour, since CD is mostly Oceanics.

CD map chat and /team chat is usually pretty LOLzy during NA prime time. Not as LOLzy as this thread and all the crying, but pretty close.

Except we don’t cry/whine in CD map chat. We just literally take turns telling jokes and do what this game was meant to do, you know, be a good time and have fun.

Yes, CD zergs. Heck, I just had a mesmer pull me off the wall and then had a nice experience of probably 8-10 people on one.

It’s still a valid tactic. It may not be the most tactical, but it’s a tactic nonetheless.

Interestingly, as of right now CD owns all of EB borderlands. We’re in third place. However, Maguuma owns their borderlands with minimal shifting. I guess CD decided to try to keep EB in third this week.

cainejw.7142:

Yes, CD zergs. Heck, I just had a mesmer pull me off the wall and then had a nice experience of probably 8-10 people on one.

It’s still a valid tactic. It may not be the most tactical, but it’s a tactic nonetheless.

Interestingly, as of right now CD owns all of EB borderlands. We’re in third place. However, Maguuma owns their borderlands with minimal shifting. I guess CD decided to try to keep EB in third this week.

They know EB can actually be a threat and Maguuma hates us and knows they can’t keep up with CD so of course they are all focusing on us the most. I for one am honored to be so feared and having a blast

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cainejw.7142:

It’s still a valid tactic. It may not be the most tactical, but it’s a tactic nonetheless.

No one’s arguing that it’s not a tactic. It is one, but it’s one people don’t like losing to the most.

cainejw.7142:

Interestingly, as of right now CD owns all of EB borderlands. We’re in third place. However, Maguuma owns their borderlands with minimal shifting. I guess CD decided to try to keep EB in third this week.

No, EBay BL was the easier target for them, that’s why they attacked you first. Mag BL was completely capped (therefore showing it was being defended) and EBay had speckles of both green and red. We also kicked out CA from CD attempting to cap camps (a group of about 20). We’re defending our Bl, that’s why there’s minimal shifting. CD is currently in Mag BL, doing what they do best. It is not always about you and trying to keep you in a certain place. Stop making everything into the EBay Show.

[Edited by CC: Provocation]

Score update:

CD, 32043, +430
Mag, 18348, +150
EBay, 12073, +110

Anubbyss.3805:

cainejw.7142:

Yes, CD zergs. Heck, I just had a mesmer pull me off the wall and then had a nice experience of probably 8-10 people on one.

It’s still a valid tactic. It may not be the most tactical, but it’s a tactic nonetheless.

Interestingly, as of right now CD owns all of EB borderlands. We’re in third place. However, Maguuma owns their borderlands with minimal shifting. I guess CD decided to try to keep EB in third this week.

They know EB can actually be a threat and Maguuma hates us and knows they can’t keep up with CD so of course they are all focusing on us the most. I for one am honored to be so feared and having a blast

If by fear you mean you get laughed at because CD is in denial about being a zerg server, we tremble before you.

happy leveling and karma/exp farming to my fellow CD players…. same menu this week…

cainejw.7142:

[Edit]
It’s still a valid tactic. It may not be the most tactical, but it’s a tactic nonetheless.

No one’s arguing that it’s not a tactic. It is one, but it’s one people don’t like losing to the most.

cainejw.7142:

Interestingly, as of right now CD owns all of EB borderlands. We’re in third place. However, Maguuma owns their borderlands with minimal shifting. I guess CD decided to try to keep EB in third this week.

No, EBay BL was the easier target for them, that’s why they attacked you first. Mag BL was completely capped (therefore showing it was being defended) and EBay had speckles of both green and red. We also kicked out CA from CD attempting to cap camps (a group of about 20). We’re defending our Bl, that’s why there’s minimal shifting. CD is currently in Mag BL, doing what they do best. It is not always about you and trying to keep you in a certain place. Stop making everything into the EBay Show.[/quote]

I’m sorry that I chose to note something happening on my server. Would you rather I tell you what’s happening on your server so this thread can further degrade?

I realize that WvWvW threads must be more troll-filled than actual WvWvW, but I didn’t assign any reason for CD taking EB’s borderlands. Calm down.

I would love to see this match if populations at any given time were strictly regulated to be equal in size.

What do you guys think would happen?

cainejw.7142:

I’m sorry that I chose to note something happening on my server. Would you rather I tell you what’s happening on your server so this thread can further degrade?

No, you didn’t note something that was happening. You played a victim card because a server was hitting yours and not another. I explained the situation out for you in a matter that made the most sense. Hopefully for future battles, you will take that information and use it as to why one BL is being hit and not another.

Lot of people seem to do this “oh they hate us, they want to keep us in this place!” game. You don’t think making frivolous accusations, playing the blame game, and doing “this server hates my server” degrades the thread?

cainejw.7142:

I didn’t assign any reason for CD taking EB’s borderlands.

cainejw.7142:

Interestingly, as of right now CD owns all of EB borderlands… I guess CD decided to try to keep EB in third this week.

lol what?

Gator.7581:

I would love to see this match if populations at any given time were strictly regulated to be equal in size.

What do you guys think would happen?

you can almost certainly achieve that “equal population” condition in Tier 1 match up, not sure about Tier 2, but certainly not in Tier 3 and below…..

Gator.7581:

I would love to see this match if populations at any given time were strictly regulated to be equal in size.

What do you guys think would happen?

We would separate the men from the little school girls who hide in big numbers that don’t button mash correctly. Therefore, EBay and Mag would battle it out fisticuff style trying to show some other server that will remain nameless how things are done intelligently.

Raincrow.1840:

Archer.1658:

Obvious troll is obvious, you wipe every time when its equal numbers, don’t kid yourself. Lol

I’m starting to see why Mag and Ebay can’t get along. To many of you making posts like this, and showing no respect for the people you’re going up against.

As a CD player I see larger zergs wipe against our smaller groups all the time. It happens on every server.

Mag is very good with the siege weapons in the lords room / inner keep and CD tend to be very single goal minds, often pounding on the same spot for hours. It’s one of our flaws, but also one of our strengths in that we don’t give up easily.

But to come in here and make claims that we’re an “unskilled zerg server” is just silly. If we’re so unskilled and easliy wiped by smaller groups…. why don’t you have more points on the board?

I respect CD. I’ve faced a zerg server before. You guys are much smarter and better than that overall, even if your “asian pain trian” as a guildie put it smothers opposition with their numbers.

As far as I’m concerned if you don’t need to upgrade to win then there is no point in upgrading for you. Just a waste of money that could be better spent against a better matchup. Or one where the 2nd and 3rd place realm actually focus you instead of each other.

Ehmry Bay and Mag just doesn’t respect each other. I haven’t met alot of servers I respect (mainly because we have had to dig ourself out of low tier after a mass exodus of players at launch) but they are the only ones I absolutely do not respect.

Raincrow.1840:

Bones.5762:

I’m just saying, i don’t think its cowardly to walk away from a fight you think you can’t win, in fact it just means tht commander leading you is smart.

Sure. But, that wasn’t the accusation against TC. Some of our players accused them of only fighting against undefended points, even when they were in a huge zerg that likely could have won. They would simply run away, avoiding any opposition.

Personally, I don’t like to judge entire servers by the actions of a few… I’m just clarifying the difference so that it can’t be insinuated there is some type of hypocrisy going on.

Yeah some people play like this. Maguuma has a 20-30 man group that does that. They look for lesser numbers or two sides involved in a hard fight. The moment anything looks less than totally in their favor (like something even in the realm of an even fight) that group leaves. They don’t even hit objectives with that group.

I haven’t seen Ehmry Bay or Crystal Desert do that yet. But I’m sure we will get a group like that eventually as well if we managed to fight our way up another tier.

Some people just play this game to get cheap kills or to “feel” like they are good or winning. I’m afraid that’s just how it is.

GuardianOMS.8067:

cainejw.7142:

I’m sorry that I chose to note something happening on my server. Would you rather I tell you what’s happening on your server so this thread can further degrade?

No, you didn’t note something that was happening. You played a victim card because a server was hitting yours and not another. I explained the situation out for you in a matter that made the most sense. Hopefully for future battles, you will take that information and use it as to why one BL is being hit and not another.

No, I noted that CD clearly decided to keep EB in third by hitting them hardest. It’s a good strategy seeing that we were second last week. I would do the same thing. If you are facing the same group as last week, cripple your potential closest competition at the start. Then you just have to alternate keeping the second and third place from getting too close. It’s a good strategy when you own the night. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Again, you need to calm down. You need to stop assuming that anyone who notes an action must be doing so to tarnish “your win.” If you guys win, great job. If you don’t, I wish you guys nothing but the best of luck.

And for all that is good and holy, can some of you stop being so rabid about winning? It’s ruining what should be a fun game with this alpha competitive crap. I’m getting very tired of having to constantly placate some incredibly overly-sensitive PVPers because they can’t tolerate comments on what another server is doing as an action.

cainejw.7142:

whoosh

I never said you were doing it to tarnish our win, I said you were doing it to play the victim card. I could care less that we’re winning over you and CD is winning over everyone.

Lol, I’m being rabid about winning but you’re noting how CD is keeping you in third place. Okay.

Ninja edit

I’m getting very tired of having to constantly placate some incredibly overly-sensitive PVPers because they can’t tolerate comments on what another server is doing as an action.

It’s not an inability to tolerate comments. It’s having to put up with people making inaccurate comments and always whining about why they’re losing or being hit. If you’re so tired of it, you probably shouldn’t come on general forums.

GuardianOMS.8067:

cainejw.7142:

whoosh

I never said you were doing it to tarnish our win, I said you were doing it to play the victim card. I could care less that we’re winning over you and CD is winning over everyone.

Lol, I’m being rabid about winning but you’re noting how CD is keeping you in third place. Okay.

Ninja edit

I’m getting very tired of having to constantly placate some incredibly overly-sensitive PVPers because they can’t tolerate comments on what another server is doing as an action.

It’s not an inability to tolerate comments. It’s having to put up with people making inaccurate comments and always whining about why they’re losing or being hit. If you’re so tired of it, you probably shouldn’t come on general forums.

Eh, someone from CD made the inaccurate comment that implied you guys were something other than a zerg server.

Think most Maggies have fun whether the score is stacked against us or not.

Second and third place is irrelevant, it’s obvious that CD can decide who gets to be in what place. Can we talk about something else now?

GuardianOMS.8067:

cainejw.7142:

whoosh

I never said you were doing it to tarnish our win, I said you were doing it to play the victim card. I could care less that we’re winning over you and CD is winning over everyone.

Lol, I’m being rabid about winning but you’re noting how CD is keeping you in third place. Okay.

Ninja edit

I’m getting very tired of having to constantly placate some incredibly overly-sensitive PVPers because they can’t tolerate comments on what another server is doing as an action.

It’s not an inability to tolerate comments. It’s having to put up with people making inaccurate comments and always whining about why they’re losing or being hit. If you’re so tired of it, you probably shouldn’t come on general forums.

See, here’s the problem with your post: I don’t care that we’re in third place. I don’t care if we’re in second. I don’t care if we win. I want to enjoy the game and have fun. I want to discuss the tactics and moves of other servers in a constructive way. I want to have an open and honest conversation about WvWvW with fellow fans of the game.

I have a feeling that this will not faze you at all, though. You have it set in your mind that I am upset or angry at being in third place or not winning. You’re set in thinking that I’m jealous of CD being in first. I’m really not. I think it’s great because I have friends on CD who are benefiting from your winning at the moment.

Also, I have just as much right to be on this forum as you do. I paid for my game just like you did, and I can access the forums until my access is revoked. You do not decide if I get to come here. I can only hope that you see that I’m engaging you in a respectful, open, honest manner.

cainejw.7142:

Also, I have just as much right to be on this forum as you do. I paid for my game just like you did, and I can access the forums until my access is revoked. You do not decide if I get to come here. I can only hope that you see that I’m engaging you in a respectful, open, honest manner.

Could and should are not the same thing

Just to clarify, there hasn’t been any unanimous decision to put EBay into 3rd place. CD is made up of a loose collection of guilds. Our play times are so different, we may not even know we exist on the same server.

So you see different styles at each time of day. We do however, scout out different BLs to see how well defended things are.

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

Also, I have just as much right to be on this forum as you do. I paid for my game just like you did, and I can access the forums until my access is revoked. You do not decide if I get to come here. I can only hope that you see that I’m engaging you in a respectful, open, honest manner.

Could and should are not the same thing

Ditto, sunshine.

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Raincrow.1840:

I also find it very funny that you long time tier 4 guys call us “zerg-like”… try fighting TC some time.

TC and Mag are bros4life.

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

Yeah…we’ve fought everyone in T3. And SoS 2.0.

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

So it’s okay for that guy to complain that we’re focusing you but not okay to point out that you did the exact same thing? Okay!

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

So it’s okay for that guy to complain that we’re focusing you but not okay to point out that you did the exact same thing? Okay!

I’m seeing that Ehmry pushed both CD and Maguuma borderlands. How is that focusing? I don’t know if you see this in CD’s borderlands, but there’s quite a few fights on the west side.

20+ people to take supply camps? Woah. Was the guild CA of CD trying to karma train on Mag this morning? Well, they got a quick and painful lesson about how Maguuma responds to that. Quite a few good fighters in there. Smart players but your targets were too obvious, so we were ready and waiting to push you off when you showed up. Being outnumbered at those camps reminded us about the buddy system. So hats off to you for that.

Try NW or N camp if you noticed defenders are predicting where you’ll show up next, because we normally assume the southern supplies. We were right, but if we were wrong you guys could have went on a train for the Northern camps.

Don’t be afraid to mix it up a little.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Think most Maggies have fun whether the score is stacked against us or not.

Lies. Maguuma players do it for the blood.

cainejw.7142:

Probably something about comments on servers and places

Gonna be honest, didn’t read any of this except the last part. I didn’t tell you not to come here, I made a suggestion. Calm down. You can either ignore the people that displease you, bark at them, or whine about them whining. Which do you think is better for you? Don’t answer that.

Slamz was saying that CD wasn’t attacking Mag BL and vice versa on CD BL, which obviously wasn’t the case. I have a feeling either of you two might be confused as to who’s who and making inaccurate statements based on that, but feel free to clear it up if I’m the one confused.

GuardianOMS.8067:

cainejw.7142:

Probably something about comments on servers and places

Gonna be honest, didn’t read any of this except the last part. I didn’t tell you not to come here, I made a suggestion. Calm down. You can either ignore the people that displease you, bark at them, or whine about them whining. Which do you think is better for you? Don’t answer that.

At least you can admit that you half-read posts and only pick out bits and pieces that suit you. That’s a big admission to make when you are also pretending to respond to a person as a whole.

Thanks for admitting it. I had a suspicion.

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

So it’s okay for that guy to complain that we’re focusing you but not okay to point out that you did the exact same thing? Okay!

I’m seeing that Ehmry pushed both CD and Maguuma borderlands. How is that focusing? I don’t know if you see this in CD’s borderlands, but there’s quite a few fights on the west side.

The way I see it, EB was willing to evenly divide our borderlands in half in CD (happy coincidence?) but in CD they didn’t feel like sticking to their own side. For all of the talk I’ve heard of trying to split CD down the middle, that was a pretty bad execution. The result is that you guys made us leave CD and go to your borderlands, and a lot of us stayed there until we went to sleep. So yeah, it looks like we’re focusing you now, just like it looked like you were focusing us earlier.

But to be frank, we just don’t have enough Mumble presence to cover three borderlands, even on opening night now. We were down 50% from just a few weeks ago in terms of numbers. EB and EB (hurr) were the only places we had significant progress after that stuff happened, so it was pretty logical to go to Ehmry and our own borderlands because we had a large guild handling Eternal.

Ambrosiaa.6054:

I’ve managed to rack up 6k kills from last week and today alone. I would like to thank the maguumans

LOL, 6k only? i’m at 11k. don’t try to act all high and mighty with 6k kills, i’ve seen players with 17k kills already n im sure more already. If you’re only at 6k, it just means you like to zerg small man groups or even solo players too much.

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

So it’s okay for that guy to complain that we’re focusing you but not okay to point out that you did the exact same thing? Okay!

I’m seeing that Ehmry pushed both CD and Maguuma borderlands. How is that focusing? I don’t know if you see this in CD’s borderlands, but there’s quite a few fights on the west side.

The way I see it, EB was willing to evenly divide our borderlands in half in CD (happy coincidence?) but in CD they didn’t feel like sticking to their own side. For all of the talk I’ve heard of trying to split CD down the middle, that was a pretty bad execution. The result is that you guys made us leave CD and go to your borderlands, and a lot of us stayed there until we went to sleep. So yeah, it looks like we’re focusing you now, just like it looked like you were focusing us earlier.

But to be frank, we just don’t have enough Mumble presence to cover three borderlands, even on opening night now. We were down 50% from just a few weeks ago in terms of numbers. EB and EB (hurr) were the only places we had significant progress after that stuff happened, so it was pretty logical to go to Ehmry and our own borderlands because we had a large guild handling Eternal.

10hours of nonstop defense and upgrades on west keep in EB bl, was exhausting, but fun, even when CD pinched us from the side, we portaled bomb their siege like 3x wiping them out 3×. It made me laugh so hard when EB fliped back their keep in the east from CD when CD attacked us in our keep in the west but failed. Great job on EB’s part for capitalizing.

Also mad props to Shadowmoon players, you guys sure kept things alive and fun when it was around 4am. I thought you guys did a great job wiping us when we had 15vs10 against you, it was one of the very few times our groups wiped. You guys coordinate extremely well, props to your commanders.

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

Yes, because we should abandon our keep in your bl to go around and karma train supply camps. I honestly don’t think i will be leaving EB bl, and this is just me, but because EB focused heavily on us during last week i plan on just staying here all week til needed back in our own BL, but those guys are doing a great job at defending it.

Mag takes a keep last night, we’re gonna defend it. Kick us off you probably won’t see us in the BL too much anymore. But atm, the foothold is there. Why would we give it up? This ain’t rocket science people.

The better question is why do we still have it? West keep is by far the easiest keep to take back from your borderlands.

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

So it’s okay for that guy to complain that we’re focusing you but not okay to point out that you did the exact same thing? Okay!

I’m seeing that Ehmry pushed both CD and Maguuma borderlands. How is that focusing? I don’t know if you see this in CD’s borderlands, but there’s quite a few fights on the west side.

The way I see it, EB was willing to evenly divide our borderlands in half in CD (happy coincidence?) but in CD they didn’t feel like sticking to their own side. For all of the talk I’ve heard of trying to split CD down the middle, that was a pretty bad execution. The result is that you guys made us leave CD and go to your borderlands, and a lot of us stayed there until we went to sleep. So yeah, it looks like we’re focusing you now, just like it looked like you were focusing us earlier.

But to be frank, we just don’t have enough Mumble presence to cover three borderlands, even on opening night now. We were down 50% from just a few weeks ago in terms of numbers. EB and EB (hurr) were the only places we had significant progress after that stuff happened, so it was pretty logical to go to Ehmry and our own borderlands because we had a large guild handling Eternal.

I think most of what goes into WvW is hitting every zone as quickly as possible. I think that if there is some secret alliance, you see it after the initial rush. I don’t know if that happened after, though. However, I disagree that it shows EB splitting Maguuma with CD. Mainly because in CD’s own battleground, EB and CD are fighting. It shows your point of view AND it shows evidence that the point of view isn’t really happening.

Which you choose to accept is up to you. I don’t think EB has the ability to organize itself enough to work off CD, though.

cainejw.7142:

GuardianOMS.8067:

cainejw.7142:

whoosh

I never said you were doing it to tarnish our win, I said you were doing it to play the victim card. I could care less that we’re winning over you and CD is winning over everyone.

Lol, I’m being rabid about winning but you’re noting how CD is keeping you in third place. Okay.

Ninja edit

I’m getting very tired of having to constantly placate some incredibly overly-sensitive PVPers because they can’t tolerate comments on what another server is doing as an action.

It’s not an inability to tolerate comments. It’s having to put up with people making inaccurate comments and always whining about why they’re losing or being hit. If you’re so tired of it, you probably shouldn’t come on general forums.

See, here’s the problem with your post: I don’t care that we’re in third place. I don’t care if we’re in second. I don’t care if we win. I want to enjoy the game and have fun. I want to discuss the tactics and moves of other servers in a constructive way. I want to have an open and honest conversation about WvWvW with fellow fans of the game.

I have a feeling that this will not faze you at all, though. You have it set in your mind that I am upset or angry at being in third place or not winning. You’re set in thinking that I’m jealous of CD being in first. I’m really not. I think it’s great because I have friends on CD who are benefiting from your winning at the moment.

Also, I have just as much right to be on this forum as you do. I paid for my game just like you did, and I can access the forums until my access is revoked. You do not decide if I get to come here. I can only hope that you see that I’m engaging you in a respectful, open, honest manner.

Sorry for any maguuman hate, but it’s probably from no good experience with EB posts, anytime they have something to say it’s never anything really good. There are so few EB posts about mag tht has anything half decent to say.

Not to throw fire on oil, but did anyone noticed how EB lost rank points and Mag gained rank points? Just and FYI for those that care about points i guess.

cainejw.7142:

At least you can admit that you half-read posts and only pick out bits and pieces that suit you. That’s a big admission to make when you are also pretending to respond to a person as a whole.

Thanks for admitting it. I had a suspicion.

No, I half-read the last post because I don’t feel like arguing that with you. When I said “this” I meant the post I quoted. It seemed like it was just going to turn into a flame war and I’m not into that. I was responding to you openly and honestly before that. Don’t think just because someone is arguing with you and you don’t understand them and vice versa that they are just picking and choosing. It’s an immature cop-out to invalidate someone’s argument. Edit: Didn’t mean that to be a jab in the side. But it’s a nature defense for people to assume anyone with an argument has ill-intent, doing so does not show the respect you claimed to have. Just because someone disagrees with you, and presents you with information that you do no agree with, is no reason to assume they don’t have a point.

Bones.5762:

Sorry for any maguuman hate, but it’s probably from no good experience with EB posts, anytime they have something to say it’s never anything really good. There are so few EB posts about mag tht has anything half decent to say.

I think it comes from a really small group of people who are really vocal. It’s unfortunate, seeing how EB and Maguuma seem to fight each other so darn much! We should learn to just enjoy each other. I think it’s starting to happen slowly but surely.

We just need representatives from both servers who aren’t bickering constantly! I’ve had some pretty fun matchups with Maguuma, too. It’s always fun to defend against you guys or try to find ways around the tricks, too.

cainejw.7142:

Bones.5762:

Sorry for any maguuman hate, but it’s probably from no good experience with EB posts, anytime they have something to say it’s never anything really good. There are so few EB posts about mag tht has anything half decent to say.

I think it comes from a really small group of people who are really vocal. It’s unfortunate, seeing how EB and Maguuma seem to fight each other so darn much! We should learn to just enjoy each other. I think it’s starting to happen slowly but surely.

We just need representatives from both servers who aren’t bickering constantly! I’ve had some pretty fun matchups with Maguuma, too. It’s always fun to defend against you guys or try to find ways around the tricks, too.

Man, i have fun when we all fight in force for a long time, the fights never are as long as CD because you guys know when the fight is over, but man yesterday when you guys kept trebbing bay keep for hours, we literally just had to wait to defend for hours playing really passive, and alot of the time when we made a move towards a location in a decent size force leaving around 5man to man sieges and call out invaders is when you guys invaded, really bad timing and luck i guess lol. But all in all, i plan to be in EB bl most of the time if i’m not required to go defend our bl.

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

cainejw.7142:

saiyr.3071:

Slamz.5376:

This is why Maguuma will always come in 2nd or 3rd place.

Crystal Desert borderland: Ehmry vs Crystal.
Maguuma borderland: Ehmry vs Maguuma.
Other two zones: Ehmry vs Maguuma + Crystal

The net result, like last week, is Crystal Desert takes #1. They have the manpower to make sure that any alliance with them in it works in their favor. Maguuma doesn’t. The best they will ever make with this strategy is second place.

http://thepurge.net/public/whymaguumaneverwins.png

Maybe you shouldn’t have started the match like this

Yes, how dare Ehmry Bay try to push any assault!

So it’s okay for that guy to complain that we’re focusing you but not okay to point out that you did the exact same thing? Okay!

I’m seeing that Ehmry pushed both CD and Maguuma borderlands. How is that focusing? I don’t know if you see this in CD’s borderlands, but there’s quite a few fights on the west side.

The way I see it, EB was willing to evenly divide our borderlands in half in CD (happy coincidence?) but in CD they didn’t feel like sticking to their own side. For all of the talk I’ve heard of trying to split CD down the middle, that was a pretty bad execution. The result is that you guys made us leave CD and go to your borderlands, and a lot of us stayed there until we went to sleep. So yeah, it looks like we’re focusing you now, just like it looked like you were focusing us earlier.

But to be frank, we just don’t have enough Mumble presence to cover three borderlands, even on opening night now. We were down 50% from just a few weeks ago in terms of numbers. EB and EB (hurr) were the only places we had significant progress after that stuff happened, so it was pretty logical to go to Ehmry and our own borderlands because we had a large guild handling Eternal.

I think most of what goes into WvW is hitting every zone as quickly as possible. I think that if there is some secret alliance, you see it after the initial rush. I don’t know if that happened after, though. However, I disagree that it shows EB splitting Maguuma with CD. Mainly because in CD’s own battleground, EB and CD are fighting. It shows your point of view AND it shows evidence that the point of view isn’t really happening.

Which you choose to accept is up to you. I don’t think EB has the ability to organize itself enough to work off CD, though.

I agree that the initial WvW is just a land rush, but when the dust settles, we defend in the places where we have stuff, which in this case is your borderlands and ours. So I do feel like the initial land rush choice to push us off of CD didn’t help and shifted where the chips fell. On the other hand, we were already outmanned, so it may not have made any difference.

Bear in mind also that we also felt like we were being focused by both other teams last week, so the same explanations there can be applied here :\ It may be opportunistic, but I really believe that behaving otherwise is difficult for all servers.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Hekatombaion.4320:

I wonder if halfway into the week we’re going to get more “you wouldn’t be winning if not for your 50 man Asian zerg” even though we’ve pushed everyone else out of CD border before 9pm server time.

Or maybe the other servers just aren’t trying since they realized the hard core turtle is a big part of why we’re in the same match up for this many weeks in a row?

You are a zerg server. You aren’t rolling Ebay and Maguuma because of tactics. Neither of these servers can handle another server that has the members you guys do. Not sure why CD is so ashamed of this.

[Edit] I’ve got a better question to ask: Do the other servers really not have a queue on a Friday night around 9PM server time?
*Wind it back a little bit to when you still held anything on the map since you’d have naturally left after awhile.

In my experience Fridays have always been the most-boring-active-day since you can’t easily get players that know each other all in the same map and you usually have to do the low tactics stuff that you can work out with random people using just the chat.

Last night was a bit of a break from that pattern since we had a really short queue and got everyone from my guild into the home border (and presumably some other guilds pulled off the same thing.)

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From what I gather the goon squad is a really loosely organized guild, which really isn’t what I was expecting after seeing them in a few other games (different genres but still,) and reading about some of what they set up. Is there some reason you’re all so headless in this game (compared to those other…. “shining” examples?)

I haven’t really run into many other Mag tags that I was going to run into every day in the borders- like I just pay attention to them for one day because this five man gank squad is other here or that ten man group is going to try and take the supply camp again-
but I get to forget all of those if we start dominating. I don’t really see these obvious guild groups fall back to deeper territory positions hardly ever- ruin the little route they had going and then I just see a sea of unsorted tags everywhere else on the map.

shagworth.5017:

Playing against CD is more funny than anything, watching them just graveyard zerg something until the gate goes down

Actually I don’t think I ever saw us setting up ballistae at the south spawns to take those towers until EBay did it to us. Sometimes we’d have a few back facing pieces in the actual crowd in front of a tower but never the significant walk down the path to some choke point right on the road.

[Edited by CC: Provocation removed, also a part of this post was somehow included twice]