Guild Wars 2

I have donned my codpiece.

Let the groundhog shaving begin!

GL, HF, etc as well.

I don’t mean to be a killjoy, especially with the match being all of 35 minutes old and whatnot, but…what exactly makes you think the results will be any different this time?

SoS 1st.
SoR 2nd.
IoJ 3rd.

Calling it now.

IoJ looking like a champion today

I was unaware that differing outcomes were a baseline criteria for thread authorship. Forgive my ignorance; where may I find the rulebook so I may acquaint myself with protocol and avoid future embarrassment?

Current score

Lets keep the thread clean guys.

SoR went on the offensive quite early this week and attack our garrison. They kept us fending off their incessant assault while giving IoJ time to upgrade their towers and keep on SoS borderland. Good times, good times… Hope it is like this all week!

Eternal Battlegrounds for the first 2.5 hours after reset from a IoJ poi.

SoS once again seem very organised and have mini and effective parties all over the map in defence and attack. Always turning up at the right time in numbers to stop a Supply from being capped before tick. SoS and SoR have been at it a bit more than usual even though IoJ took SM Castle first which is weird. SoS although dominated with points early on once again took the lead with very intellegent Dolyak and capture point snipping along with the smart" Flip on Tick" supply camp capping stratergy they emply so well. SoS seem to work so well together and it is a shame they didnt get their shot at Teir 1 where I believe they would get beat but only at the expense of learning and beign back bigger and stronger next time. SoS has very solid defensive technique and it feels like with 6 or 7 defenders they can hold off a zerg of 30+ for a long periods of time. Once again they were into their favourite techniwue of trebbing anything in thier line of sight for easy caps on tick and constant applying of pressure to not allow a keep to be upgraded.

SoR started points well kepeing up with the lead but seem to loose their way about 45 mins into battle, they took and held pangs with large numbers very often and committed a lot of men to this cause. They took Veloka very briefly for one tick of points but lost it fairly quickly. Although this tactic of camping Pangs seemed to help SoS more than themselves as it drew our men away from SoS raids and onto defence. They made little very profit out of this time. Maybe they are playing for the long run in mind and stopping IoJ upgrades to veloka and Ogre. I noticed yellow swords around the border of SoS and SoR fairly often which wasnt seen to often last week. Maybe SoR has realised that they need to hit SoS to have a chance of winning this week. Giving them free run over IoJ helped SoS take their lead with constant attacks on AnZ and Mendons occuring thought the week with huge numbers. SoR has lost a little bit of early ground this week, their superior Euro Crew will get them back in it I am sure.

IoJ has had a push for better communications over the past 2 weeks, holding meetings and trying to work out a system to best utilise our Malitia (PuG’s) You see we have a huge pop of casual players that just enjoy a beat out every now and then. This is a work in progress but pushes should see us to improve tactically over the next months. Okay onto our strat. We had a few crews on defence a little more comms and we pushed into SoS territory regular to apply pressure to them since they kept hitting SM with Trebs, at all times they were up to the task wiping out wave of wave of IoJ’eans We defended Speldans often and realised we needed to escort Yaks to get upgrades. SoR was a constant pain in our bottom with attacks on Pangs being litterly every tick. They sucked up a lot of our resources trying to get these back because they had seige up in there making it very difficult to win back without large numbers comitting.

After falling into second place eventually our borderlands won back what we theirs and we took a points lead over SoR and SoS for the first time in 2 weeks . A solid 200 over SoS and 700 over SoR. Nothing at this stage in the game. But this is no coincidence, we have much better comms now and hopefully this will be the renewal of IoJ we on IoJ having been hoping and working for all week.

Rally really looking forward to the rest of the week guys, enjoy it all and may the team that has the most fun win. (in their minds at least.)

Dia – IsleofJanthir

PS – SoS took the SM Castle off us at this point and slowly clawed back to the lead but its at the 3 hour mark where they took over.

Awesome Fights so far, SoS BL has been a blast. Multiple pushes from both sides for control of the ruins, massive amounts of siege on all sides. Been fun so far tonight, hopefully it will continue like this through the entire week.

Transfered off for the week. Playing against the same servers is stall and boring. Cya next week SoR!

Peetee.9406:

Transferred off for the week. Playing against the same servers is stall and boring. Cya next week SoR!

I speak for myself, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. :P Seriously though the only thing that makes playing against SoS is the night capping. You guys need to move up to T1, the other 2 Teir 2 servers don’t have the nightly numbers like you do. You guys get so much points during the night, granted you do lose points during the day so its a trade off but you have more people during the day than either IOJ or SoR have at night.

SoR feels like less people tonight which is annoying when IoJ feels like they got more players for Oceanic. SoS seems the same. Will be a tough week, but we’ll still be out there everyday defending and attacking what we can.

IoJ IS and always was a nominated unofficial Oceanic server, as is SeaofSorrows. We have a huge Oceanic community but you will find a lot of them are very casual /PvE’ers and therfore depending on what season, public holiday and in game PvE event is running our numbers will fluctuate greatly.

Still been a good match but am very surprised to see SoR die off the pace so quickly, even in prime time USA.

PS – btw very suspiciously there was 5 rams built inside SoR borderland Bay just before it was capped. Either way whoever did it was being a pain to drain our supply. Shame on you, whoever it was.

Diashame.6328:

Still been a good match but am very surprised to see SoR die off the pace so quickly, even in prime time USA.

After speaking to a bunch of people on the SoR teamspeak early, apparently I am not the only one to move away for the week. None of us want to play against SoS’s oceanic population. It’s so frustrating to spend gold on upgrades and siege that get lost during the night in undefended keeps.

Nobody is going to complain about night capping, by all means you guys have just as much right to play the game as we do, but we’re not going to play against you. A lot of us have moved to Gunnar’s Hold until SoR is moved away from SoS.

We currently have 2 commanders from SoS on our SoR Borderlands map. They are both from Team Shatter, and their names are Wolfbain and Cacare. I whispered Cacare, and he said they are here to farm karma as some events on SoS server are bugged. I don’t really know what to think about this…

Another screenshot. ><

I think they are currently sitting under an umbrella.

The matching system needs a look at, we’re trapped in the same line ups every week. Unlikely to change again for next week and with an event on WvW will be barren in next weeks battles.
Alternative matching system go go go

As far as people transfering off SoR… it is only your second week in this match up… why giving up so easily? this is IoJ’s third week against SoS and we are still fighting. Although, we did have an EU guild transfer off before the reset, lost at least 2 commanders and not sure how many people. Also next week should change, BG should move down, SoS up, SoR and Ioj will continue fighting because we are pretty equal servers.

Jaxon.5392:

The matching system needs a look at, we’re trapped in the same line ups every week. Unlikely to change again for next week and with an event on WvW will be barren in next weeks battles.
Alternative matching system go go go

Its not an event :P its a game update. By some however I expect the update will be treated as an event.

I hope this means the “superior tactics” and “superior communication” I have heard so much about coming from certain players on “other servers” fail to be superior or work anymore I have a feeling the tactics that they rely on so heavily to win will be gone. Lets see how “skilled” and awesome they are without the exploits that they need. Cough Cough portals, turtling etc. Cough. Waves*

The Update is an event… a 3 day long one time only chain event.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Lost-Shores-Heads-Up/first#post646309
Going to be an interesting reset next week.

On behalf of Sea of Sorrows
In light of our recent success in the SoR borderlands i would like to thank our greatest ally of all, Isle of Janthir you did most of the work to take down that monster of a wall and just handed it too us for us to take. Then you so kindly gave us your tower , nah in all seriousness i have been impressed with the numbers you guys have shown this week and i think we will have some trouble vsing in you in the near future just need to get the priorities correct, a supply camp is not a equal trade off with a tower =).

As the leader of Team Shatter [TS] on Sea of Sorrows, I’d like to clarify two things:

1. Commanders Wolfbane and Cacare transferred over to finish their legendaries (It’s bugged here in SoS at Balth). They joined WvW to try and kill me, they were only there for a short amount of time. And during that time they did not tell us ANYTHING about any of your plans. They weren’t even connected to our Teamspeak (I have logs if you so wish to see). I have told them not to enter WvW from your end again.

2. You guys put up an amazing fight tonight… I was leading the SoS forces in SoR borderlands. And my god, was it an epic fight at Bay. We had 60 or so of our force with me, and right as we walk pass Bay to capture the supply camp, the outer wall just implodes from IoJ treb fire. So we ninja in, kill the defenders then kill IoJ.

But man, that was great. The best WvW experience I’ve had so far. Thank you all for the fun times.

I have no intention of moving off of SoR, and I find that those who did are even less desirable than the “fairweather transfers” who came here for a week or two then transferred off.

Speaking only for myself, I’ve lost all motivation to play in WvW anymore. I can see that SoR has pretty much peaked, from an organizational point of view. It’s the same pattern, the same predictable and reactionary mindset every single day, every single matchup. Lessons go unlearned, mistakes are repeated despite cries of “We’re getting better!”

No, we’re not. Look at what happens when those guilds which transferred over during or after our T3 matches against Darkhaven and Yak’s Bend leave; we end up dominated, running around trying to defend against a server (SoS) which is attacking four objectives at once…and there isn’t a single bit of adjustment on our part. We just keep doing the same thing, hoping it’ll all work itself out and complaining about their “superior numbers”.

@FractalChaos

That’s one of the few things we noticed. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest strategies in the book and your server doesn’t appear to adapt it over the last 3 battles we faced with each other.

As for the score, most of us SoSers don’t care if we placed second or third. We are here to have fun and kick kitten

Peetee.9406:

Transfered off for the week. Playing against the same servers is stall and boring. Cya next week SoR!

A champion of SOR. You are a true inspiration and a shining example of a stalwart realm defender.

Everytime I will listen to “Fear not the night”, I will forever have an image of us desperately falling back as our outer keep walls are breached, and as we are retreating the sky ahead begins to brighten and you appear in all your shining glory.

“Dawns just a heartbeat away” you tell us and with those mere simple words, our morale is lifted and we turn about face to our foes, and our ferocious charge with you leading the way sends them into a panic…. this night SOR keep held.

Bash.7291:

The Update is an event… a 3 day long one time only chain event.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Lost-Shores-Heads-Up/first#post646309
Going to be an interesting reset next week.

Am I wrong? Your not wrong also but i am referring to this its the 15th I believe a day before the 16th Lost Shores I think its called. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/John-Peters-Impromptu-Interview-In-The-Mists

From SoS poi in EB, we managed to take back SM and things were looking rather interesting, we could not push much out, we managed to take meldon and but lost it shortly, had even few pot shots at overlook. Lost Durios after taking it and at that point both IOJ and SOR started pressing on SM.

I have to say that match was one of the funnest i’ve personally had in ages, it started getting really hairy when IOJ broke down 3 walls from north of SM and started pressing in, at the same time SOR broke down the SE wall in SM, so we had 2 fronts going at the same time being pressed on all sides. We had luck with upgrades with one upgrade coming in and restoring walls, nevertheless both IOJ and SOR quickly took walls down again. both IOJ from north and SOR from south were at the inner gate, with gates at 50%.

As we could not take any supplies from the SM, OCX switched to doing supply runs from wildcreek, with Work supporting and protecting caravans whilst main zergs were holding their ground in SM. We started sending out small bands to capture the supply camps to distract and cut off the enemy supply. Slowly we managed to repair the inner gates and push out both IOJ and SOR, at the same time getting defencive sieges up. Northern wall never really got repaired.

I think after fighting for what seemed aions both IOJ and SOR got tired… as we managed to push both of them out from inner space to outer walls and once our final upgrade of the fortification landed combined with the arrival of golems they gave up. We mopped up the rest in SM and proceeded into retaking Anz and other towers. At that point I left as I was quite tired.

Good work from SoS and I hope Americans who took over will keep it up. Thank you IOJ and SOR for great match, shame your concentrated, though unintentional collaboration was not fruitful – but at the same time Im glad it wasn’t as we kept the SM

P.S. I do see some battle fatique though …… from all sides….. anyway – gg

The Wild One.4760:

As the leader of Team Shatter [TS] on Sea of Sorrows, I’d like to clarify two things:

1. Commanders Wolfbane and Cacare transferred over to finish their legendaries (It’s bugged here in SoS at Balth). They joined WvW to try and kill me, they were only there for a short amount of time. And during that time they did not tell us ANYTHING about any of your plans. They weren’t even connected to our Teamspeak (I have logs if you so wish to see). I have told them not to enter WvW from your end again.

I spoke with a ‘high-ranking’ member of TR regarding these two SoS commanders and asked that they no longer use their commander signets in our maps. The best thing is for them to avoid WvW and transfer back as soon as possible, because it is bad sportsmanship to transfer to a server you are currently matched up with (for any reason). If they need Obsidian Shards, there are over 20 other servers they can transfer to.

I hope that they do leave SoR as soon as possible and avoid using their signets in the meantime. We do not want help from SoS members. They are the enemy this week, and we want a good clean fight. I hope you understand and that these fellows do the right thing.

See you on the battlefield!

Aieo.2815:

@FractalChaos

That’s one of the few things we noticed. Divide and conquer is one of the oldest strategies in the book and your server doesn’t appear to adapt it over the last 3 battles we faced with each other.

As for the score, most of us SoSers don’t care if we placed second or third. We are here to have fun and kick kitten

I want to have fun too, and I don’t mind one single bit if SoR loses, as long as I feel like we’re either a) playing well, or b) getting better. I haven’t gotten either of those feelings in weeks now.

Winning consecutive matches because of our superior numbers or because the other servers gave up does not make SoR skilled, nor does it mean we’re improving.

@OP
Title’s real classy for someone in last place.

The fighting on all sides has been amazing, I’m on SoS borderlands and It’s been really good fighting with SoS and we recently took our quarter back in EB ^.^. Though a few people were complaining about it being the same match-up as last week everyone seems to be giving it their all.

Looking at the scores, it seems even though SoS is leading, it isnt leading enough to warrant a point increase…. and BG’s point is rising too so the gap for SoS to qualify for t1 is widening

Score update

Looks a little different than it did a week ago

Phoenix.7069:

@OP
Title’s real classy for someone in last place.

The fighting on all sides has been amazing, I’m on SoS borderlands and It’s been really good fighting with SoS and we recently took our quarter back in EB ^.^. Though a few people were complaining about it being the same match-up as last week everyone seems to be giving it their all.

I congratulate myself for offending you. May your pillow remain moist with bitter tears of angst.

Lol I took the troll bait xD. Anyway lets not get off topic or a mod will close this down. I went to EB, it’s good fighting there. Picking off stragglers has never felt so good >:)

SoR lost lots of bandwagoners and other noobs that come in stand there and say “why cant any server I join be good at wvw”

Though this hurts now its will be good for SoR in the long run. Getting KIWI back in full and maybe O.o just mabye something better….

No non SoR commander has a right to have there badge on in our server this is a disgrace!

We (SoR) need to go back down to tier 3 or 4. For now, it’s where we belong. There’s a lot for the “regulars” on SoR to learn, and that process was short-circuited by the steady influx of players we had 5-6 weeks back. It made many of our commanders think we’rebetter than we really are.

Kanji Maki.1695:

SoR lost lots of bandwagoners and other noobs that come in stand there and say “why cant any server I join be good at wvw”

Though this hurts now its will be good for SoR in the long run. Getting KIWI back in full and maybe O.o just mabye something better….

No non SoR commander has a right to have there badge on in our server this is a disgrace!

Same thing happened to BlackGate man. When SBI tookover JQ’s #1 server a few weeks ago we lost a lot of people and clans to either SBI or SoS. But Blackgate continues to fight! If you give up, you get what you deserve and you drop tiers because of it. Btw SoS looks like you have to try harder to get to tier 1 to take our spot

If SoR just had one or two huge oceanic guilds we would be doing just as good if not better than SoS. It really is a coverage game at the moment which is sad. Anyway good luck SoR maybe we will get some oceanic guilds this matchup.

Im hearing a lot of excuses QQ, bring back the Biff SoR!! You know you can!!!
Who cares if the matchups are the same each week?
Why is it boring? On other games its always the same because all your fighting is the same people on the same server all the time. When IoJ get demoted to Teir 3 we roflstomp and play Zerg v Door the entrie week. I would much prefer to play this same matchup each week then vDoor.

On another note
Why do I die instantly as soon as I face a PRX zerg? I die to metor shower in less than a second and I dont see the graphic of it. That never happens with anyone else and I am sure i dont destroy someone in a split second when I cast the same effect.

Anyone else face this problem? Sorry for my newbness if its a simple explanation.

Keep up the awesome work fellow members of ioj. Lets show them we are better than last week.

I don’t think it is 100% a numbers game. On SoR we really do need to do more training and get our troops up to speed on siege tactics, scouting, portaling, and other strategies. PRX guild makes great use of siege weapons, which is part of the reason why SoS is doing so well.

The learning process is part of the fun of WvW, however. It is a challenge to get your server’s community organized and your troops properly trained (just like in real war). I don’t let myself get upset when I see our team doing something strategically inept. It just prompts me to teach players.

If anyone on SoR ever wants WvW tips or training, feel free to /whisper Knight Of Flowers for help.

@OP I know its a troll bait, but you jinxed your server hard because of the title you put down for this thread.(ahem) LOJ..-_- really?

@FractalChaos plz dont be “calling it” when the week begins, thats by far the greatest Taboo to do in almost any game espiecally for your server. Though I’m surprised how you turned around to say “I dont feel like WvW anymore” and “We should be on T3” when last week as a compleately different story and attitiude. And look we are not the only ones who are fighting the same servers again..look at T1, same machup again. This is what it means to be on T1 and 2 servers and if any new servers show up they are either really weak or really stong and most people would know that after the 1st DAY not 30 min.

Last week we had no excuse we did not have our kitten together so…we lost.

But I did say 2 weeks ago we would be back..and after we got our kitten together, guess what? We’re Baaaaaaack.

Now it pains me to say this but with the patch/event comming out this comming week we at IOJ are most likely going to have a drop off on WvW next match up. So if you dont see alot of us on WvW next match up, that would be the reason.

I think one of the issues SoR faces is that they try using portal way too much. It is almost starting to get predictable. Last night on SoS bl you guys tried portal bombing in the same place at ruins at least 4 times. The first time it got us. The other 3 not so much. On an assault on bay last week was literrally nothing but portal infront of the gate and turtle with the rams. Now that people are learning to counter them they are becoming weaker.

Bash.7291:

I think one of the issues SoR faces is that they try using portal way too much. It is almost starting to get predictable. Last night on SoS bl you guys tried portal bombing in the same place at ruins at least 4 times. The first time it got us. The other 3 not so much. On an assault on bay last week was literrally nothing but portal infront of the gate and turtle with the rams. Now that people are learning to counter them they are becoming weaker.

I’m sorry but i have to chime in on this, the major reason for SoR starting to portal bomb more is to counter the fact SoS portal bombs SO much…

and in no way am i complaining about it here or talking crap about SoS all I am saying is don’t frown on us for using it and saying that’s why we suck when I’ve seen 1st hand many of the major guilds on SoS use that as the solution to most everything.

Cat Amiss.9463:

Bash.7291:

I think one of the issues SoR faces is that they try using portal way too much. It is almost starting to get predictable. Last night on SoS bl you guys tried portal bombing in the same place at ruins at least 4 times. The first time it got us. The other 3 not so much. On an assault on bay last week was literrally nothing but portal infront of the gate and turtle with the rams. Now that people are learning to counter them they are becoming weaker.

I’m sorry but i have to chime in on this, the major reason for SoR starting to portal bomb more is to counter the fact SoS portal bombs SO much…

and in no way am i complaining about it here or talking crap about SoS all I am saying is don’t frown on us for using it and saying that’s why we suck when I’ve seen 1st hand many of the major guilds on SoS use that as the solution to most everything.

Calm down there sparky. I didn’t say you guys sucked because of it, I am just saying it is starting to get predictable because it is used so much. Also, in my experience (granted I cant see everywhere all the time) SoR seems to portal bomb at every chance they get. I see it from SoS a fair share too, but not as much as I have personally seen from SoR. I am not even complaining about it in that post as it is a valid strategy at the moment, though I do have issues with the strategy personally and prefer not to use it myself.

Cat Amiss.9463:

Bash.7291:

I think one of the issues SoR faces is that they try using portal way too much. It is almost starting to get predictable. Last night on SoS bl you guys tried portal bombing in the same place at ruins at least 4 times. The first time it got us. The other 3 not so much. On an assault on bay last week was literrally nothing but portal infront of the gate and turtle with the rams. Now that people are learning to counter them they are becoming weaker.

I’m sorry but i have to chime in on this, the major reason for SoR starting to portal bomb more is to counter the fact SoS portal bombs SO much…

and in no way am i complaining about it here or talking crap about SoS all I am saying is don’t frown on us for using it and saying that’s why we suck when I’ve seen 1st hand many of the major guilds on SoS use that as the solution to most everything.

Nod SoS does use portals a LOT more than we do, which isn’t a problem in and of itself, but when coupled with rendering issues caused by it…every time I’ve logged into WvW personally it’s been damage —> downed --→ player pop up as I die, and that’s no fun.

Also the same thing seems to go with stacking aoe’s? In the field earlier I had no idea what was hitting me, and looking through combat log apparently it was a few elementalists aoe’s the same spot, yet no aoe circle came up. I don’t think they’re aware of it on their end but it’s a huge issue to be killed by invisible players/aoe at the moment (personally I’m not sure if anyone else gets this problem, though I do notice it coming from SoS fights only).

Well i took it wrong sounded like you were saying we were terrible about it, both sides use it plenty though, I’ve been in a battle with SoS where they chain bombed 10 times in a row so our forces could never see a single member…There’s been plenty of times SoR has used it a bunch too…I can’t speak for that situation though, they just didn’t understand to stop going to the same spot lol, but both ends use it way too much

Echelon.7026:

@FractalChaos plz dont be “calling it” when the week begins, thats by far the greatest Taboo to do in almost any game espiecally for your server

Apologies if I offended you; I wasn’t trying to tell you that you’d be stuck in 3rd. It was more a case of me telling my own server, SoR, not to expect a shot at 1st (which, oddly, many people still did this week).

FractalChaos.6539:

Echelon.7026:

@FractalChaos plz dont be “calling it” when the week begins, thats by far the greatest Taboo to do in almost any game espiecally for your server

Apologies if I offended you; I wasn’t trying to tell you that you’d be stuck in 3rd. It was more a case of me telling my own server, SoR, not to expect a shot at 1st (which, oddly, many people still did this week).

It’s all good, I’m not offended. I’m just pointing it out there that its generally a good rule of thumb to not call how the match would turn out when it starts in most games, as most of the time it comes back to haunt you or in other terms getting Jinxed.

Keep it up IOJ.