Guild Wars 2

(for the first 2 pages in discussion thread)

New maps – on their way
New achievements – on their way
New balance – you guessed it on the way

Are there more people playing sPvP then WvW?

Let me qualify this with I think WvW is the best available right now and for the foreseeable future. It saddens me to see the lack of “attention” based on community feedback perspective. Any decent company has 6mos, 12mos, 18mos business strategy why is not communicated?

I have also grouped with some Anet guys once in Southsun and once in WvW so I know they play the game. What gives?

I highly doubt it. Every time I’ve entered the HoTM, it’s pretty much dead. I like to check the sPvP forums from time to time, and they’re pretty much dead compared to the WvW ones.

The problem is with sPvP, every game of this nature has it.. it’s nothing new. The WvW concept is somewhat new and therefore is generally far more appealing than sPvP.

I just worry that if Anet continues to treat it as casual in nature, another game will swoop in with the same concept and develop it well beyond what Anet has done and scoop all it’s player base up in the process.

Frankly, whoever makes the strategic business decisions at NCSoft or Anet should probably be let go lol.

PvE Content….ok cool…this where they make their money….problem is…every other game has PvE content so people wax and wane and in order for Anet to keep the money train going they need to constantly come up with new content…fair enough

sPvP Content…I’m guessing they thought they were going to turn this into some sort of ESport and it would be more popular than it is. Frankly…sPvp sucks in this game compared to most, while fun to play, I can’t see them making any money of it except through some skins and tourneys..again other games have better rating systems and better maps.

WvW….is the most unique thing offered in the game…something pretty much nobody else has out there on the market…it is the least invested in portion of their company…is understaffed when it comes to development…and it is really the only end game that exists in GW2…it could be turned into a very real long term profitable portion of the game, but apparently these guys have the business acumen of wet sock…

so basically when someone comes out with a WvW like system that improves and does everything this one should have done…Anet can look back say…well…it was a good run maybe GW3?

Hello, are you talking about the developer live stream? If so notice that they said there will be a stream on Friday that will be about WvW, so that’s why they didn’t said anything about it today. If i misunderstood the context just flame me and forget what i said

If you look at the responses in the sPvP forum, half are “we are working on it’ or ’can’t tell you when but it’s coming”, a few are “thank you!” and other are in regards to Skyhammer and tPvP map rotations.

As someone who is starting to slide over to sPvP, one thing I have noticed immediately is how much more attention sPvP clearly gets over WvW. Both PvE and sPvP get so much more attention than WvW. I don’t know why.

LilMcGinley.3890:

If you look at the responses in the sPvP forum, half are “we are working on it’ or ’can’t tell you when but it’s coming”, a few are “thank you!” and other are in regards to Skyhammer and tPvP map rotations.

This is a fair assessment I noticed this as well. But perception goes a long way.

sostronk.8167:

As someone who is starting to slide over to sPvP, one thing I have noticed immediately is how much more attention sPvP clearly gets over WvW. Both PvE and sPvP get so much more attention than WvW. I don’t know why.

This is exactly my feeling, AoE loot was an awesome change for the “lifestyle” of a WvW player and quite frankly besides that and Culling I cannot think of anything else they have done to significantly impact my experience in WvW. And that they removed orbs which was a “questionable” change but I can compromise on why it was done.

Granted both those changes may have been complex, I understand Computer Science but 11 months ( I think its been that long) is a long development lifecycle for only 2 changes I can talk about.

I am really looking for an answer if the direction of the game is sPvP (seems to be the case) then fine lets be clear about that. (I think it may already be).

Some good feedback, lets continue to discuss.

Leon.3917:

Hello, are you talking about the developer live stream? If so notice that they said there will be a stream on Friday that will be about WvW, so that’s why they didn’t said anything about it today. If i misunderstood the context just flame me and forget what i said

I was not referring specifically about the live stream, and that is great to hear some more WvW focused topics are going to be discussed. A step in the right direction I think we can all agree the WvW community needs.

I detest sPvP. To me, fighting to stand in a little box longer than the other guy is boring. I’d rather run around a whole world and kill people. WvW is 1000 times better, but only gets a fraction of the attention that failed Esport gets. Yet they continuously ruin several builds for several professions for the sake of “balance” in that crappy mode that I don’t even bother with. I probably wouldn’t hate it so much if they stopped letting things that happen in spvp affect things in PvE and WvW.

Here is what i know

For the last 3 months, the number of workers working on WvW has doubled. But it still dwindles the PvP department.

Nikkinella.8254:

I detest sPvP. To me, fighting to stand in a little box longer than the other guy is boring. I’d rather run around a whole world and kill people. WvW is 1000 times better, but only gets a fraction of the attention that failed Esport gets. Yet they continuously ruin several builds for several professions for the sake of “balance” in that crappy mode that I don’t even bother with. I probably wouldn’t hate it so much if they stopped letting things that happen in spvp affect things in PvE and WvW.

The ranger forum has a funny post where these 5 guys made an all ranger team for giggles. Some other guys which are suppose to be some upper tier spvp team streams a 2 hour session. In the session they end up fighting the ranger giggle team and lose. They complain that shortbow is to powerful, spirit rangers are op, and BM rangers are bs. The team ends up quitting for the night. You can clearly see how frustrated the guy that recorded the session is. These are the people affecting balance. Poor rangers are going to get nerfed again.

spvp is a glorified dueling arena.

When they took healers from pvp they essentially:

A.Removed group synergy making group fights boring and chaotic.

B.OP classes that can do everything.

What other future pvp games learned from this is to introduce healers in pvp but downplay them in pve.

Ljiona.9142:

Nikkinella.8254:

I detest sPvP. To me, fighting to stand in a little box longer than the other guy is boring. I’d rather run around a whole world and kill people. WvW is 1000 times better, but only gets a fraction of the attention that failed Esport gets. Yet they continuously ruin several builds for several professions for the sake of “balance” in that crappy mode that I don’t even bother with. I probably wouldn’t hate it so much if they stopped letting things that happen in spvp affect things in PvE and WvW.

The ranger forum has a funny post where these 5 guys made an all ranger team for giggles. Some other guys which are suppose to be some upper tier spvp team streams a 2 hour session. In the session they end up fighting the ranger giggle team and lose. They complain that shortbow is to powerful, spirit rangers are op, and BM rangers are bs. The team ends up quitting for the night. You can clearly see how frustrated the guy that recorded the session is. These are the people affecting balance. Poor rangers are going to get nerfed again.

I seriously feel bad for rangers. If anything they need to be buffed. I had a ranger awhile ago, but deleted him after they nerfed pets. The pets were honestly the only redeeming quality about the class for me. In WvW I always target the ranger or the ele first as those are the 2 currently weakest classes in WvW and guaranteed kills unless they’re smart enough to run away. Necros are a pain, but I can’t fairly comment on them as I’ve never played a necro so I have no idea if they’re really OP or not. Most of the people I know say they’re still underpowered and just have a few hard hitting things but are still a trashy class. Thieves are still ridiculously OP as ever and mine will remain as my bank mule until they rework the whole class. And i’m sorry now that I wasted so much time on my ele and spent so much cash on her as it’s complete garbage now after all the nerfs. Guardian is currently the best class IMO, but I know with Anet’s track record it’s only a matter of time before they F that up too. Warrior I mainly use for PvE stuff and trolling noobs in WvW who are too dumb to dodge. And I just can’t get into Mesmer, the clones and all the stupid little butterflies annoy me.

Dese.1382:

Are there more people playing sPvP then WvW?

Nope. But ANet seems really desperate to get into that esports business, which is ridiculous really. Take a look at the games they gotta compete with and wonder what ANet’s been smoking. You can’t bring a Toyota Aygo to a drag racing competition and expect to finish top3…

There are games that offer much better and deeper spvp gameplay than this game does, like hundreds of them. That’s probably why spvp isn’t very popular.

makku.2508:

Dese.1382:

Are there more people playing sPvP then WvW?

Nope. But ANet seems really desperate to get into that esports business, which is ridiculous really. Take a look at the games they gotta compete with and wonder what ANet’s been smoking. You can’t bring a Toyota Aygo to a drag racing competition and expect to finish top3…

They look at LoL and Smite and see that these games have high populations with little monetary investment in development.

What they need to turn this around, is Organized Guild vs. Guild. People will want to watch a team, not five random guys (unless they are AH, LOL)