Guild Wars 2

Since Week 11, the server I am on has faced another server every week. Last time I checked, this is week 24. 13 WEEKS!! Needless to say, if you don’t think that the WvW matchups are broken, you have lost your mind.

Fix this before it ruins WvW. I’m sure that there are other match-ups that have gone about the same length of time and they would like to see some different opponents.

13 WEEKS!!!

You still need one more before you can beat the 14 weeks straight for SF/ET/FC, EBay/AR/BP or BG/JQ/SoR.

Well, let us be honest here. T1 is stagnant. Always the same matchup outside of seasons. And the more you recruit guilds to t1, the more stagnant it will stay.

T2 is stagnant. The same matchup as well. FA is recruiting hard to get back into t2, and then DB will drop down to 3. The matchups might be more random for a short time, but, t2, also suffers from t1 stagnation, due to how they recruit for coverage as well.

T3 and below, is more random. The matchups have been different every week (except for t5 atm) since the season ended. If you don’t like being in the same matchup, you need to transfer.

Atleast in T1, the outcome can be different each week, unlike T2, where it is the same match, with the same outcome, every week.

truewingnut.2517:

Since Week 11, the server I am on has faced another server every week. Last time I checked, this is week 24. 13 WEEKS!! Needless to say, if you don’t think that the WvW matchups are broken, you have lost your mind.

Fix this before it ruins WvW. I’m sure that there are other match-ups that have gone about the same length of time and they would like to see some different opponents.

13 WEEKS!!!

I’ve said it a couple of times and I will say it again since the threads keep coming;

If we keep our server designations but go against servers together we can pit two servers or more against one.

So how would it work?

Using demographics of WvW for servers in WvW play, take the larger servers and have them play against servers that are “together” on the same maps, BUT this is different than the vanilla bean going around, do not remove server affiliations.

So, for example, (the math for populations isn’t known to me so forgive in advance, just go with the idea please) -put Jade Quarry against Ft. Aspenwood and Yak’s Bend.

In turn, servers like Ft. Aspenwood or Yaks are at least double the size of smaller servers – so the same model could be used all the way down the line.

Up to five against one – so the small servers STILL get to play Blackgate and Jade Quarry – and maybe the might win – but at least it would be a question not a predictable outcome every single week.

WvW can be better and the model can be expanded so that our very unique servers can ally together but keep our server designations and loyalties.

atheria.2837:

snip terrible idea

that would make huge NA queues for the lower population servers and still result in the t1 server dominating because of off NA coverage.

eithinan.9841:

atheria.2837:

snip terrible idea

that would make huge NA queues for the lower population servers and still result in the t1 server dominating because of off NA coverage.

I don’t think it would have larger queues than we see now if it were implemented properly.

EOTM has far larger groups than what I am proposing.

Adding a map to the mix would help immensely as well.

Terrible idea? What’s yours?

Stop negating another’s idea without at least presenting one that at least adds to the possibility of a better WvW.

Might as well let all the servers play eachother, there’s no balance since its all coverage based, so why not let a silver league server face a gold league server?

Because that wouldn’t be balanced?

grifflyman.8102:

Might as well let all the servers play eachother, there’s no balance since its all coverage based, so why not let a silver league server face a gold league server?

Because that wouldn’t be balanced?

Because being spawn-camped isn’t fun… And that’s what gonna happen when server’s with bigger population face servers with smaller population.

same maps. same skill sets. same color of troops. doesn’t matter what the server names are you wont get anything new out of the experience so there is no point in crying about how long you have fought the same server

First people cried for more match deviation. They introduced it and people cried that there was too much match deviation. Now there is less deviation and people are crying for more again.
Face it, Because of population imbalances you have 2 options:
1) blow out matches
-or-
2) stagnation between the closest competitive servers.

As for the fixing those issues there are many many threads discussing that.

Jeknar.6184:

grifflyman.8102:

Might as well let all the servers play eachother, there’s no balance since its all coverage based, so why not let a silver league server face a gold league server?

Because that wouldn’t be balanced?

Because being spawn-camped isn’t fun… And that’s what gonna happen when server’s with bigger population face servers with smaller population.

I’d rather be spawn camped than log in and see each BL map its own color and no fighting going on. At least with spawn camping there’s fighting going on.

The matches are stagnant because any server that faces any other server above its respective tier will be completely blown up in the game due to coverage.

The only 2 ways to relieve the stagnation are:

1. A-net finally gets off their kitten s and dos something that actually works about it. Which is extremely unlinkely, most likely WvW will die while they make more “Living Story”

2. Servers literally join together to only the top 6 and all the players abandon anything below rank 6 alltogether. For example, all of SF transfers to SOS, or whichever of the top 6 has least NA coverage, etkittenerally. Just abandon all lower servers. If this happens and they all become complete and utter ghost towns, then even a-net might finally step in and address point #1.

Unfortunately, neither one of these is going to happen.

A-net won’t do anything because of resource comitment to the living story, they basically wanna make more of that instead of anything else.

Servers won’t come together cause of whiners of various reasons ranging from whining about blobs to whining about transfer costs and the kitchen sink and various appliances thrown in between.

Soooooo… unless you guys all come together and just make 6 playable servers by yourselves , its put up with it and S Tkitten. Unfortunate, as I personally would love to see WvW take off again, who knows, it might even get me to play again.

Johje Holan.4607:

I’d rather be spawn camped than log in and see each BL map its own color and no fighting going on. At least with spawn camping there’s fighting going on.

I don’t call having 30 people sitting in front of your spawn waiting for someone to come out fighting… Its more like a meatgrinder waiting for, well, the meat…

It might be fun for you to be spawncamped as you can just step out and and try to do somenthing, but it will be extremely boring to the server that will control everything…

they should make it such that no 2 identical matchups will be held back to back

T1 servers don’t want matchups outside of T1. We don’t want to fight empty maps once NA prime ends. Keep us out of your suggestions.

Some matchups in T1 are actually fun just because all 3 servers have more or less similar coverage and numbers so the fights go on 24/7 with no clear domination from one side.

That aside WvW in general become boring. It was mentioned before in another thread that same maps, same tactics, same enemies over and over is VERY boring in the long run. It came to the point that every reset night is the same (as the rest of the week tbh). Take this and that, upgrade this and that, place siege in this spot. Done for the rest of the week. Heck, I noticed that people run in similar pattern/paths on every map every day of the week.

In all fairness I find EotM more exciting now IF the commander decides to look for fights not just PvD and people are willing to follow him.

atheria.2837:

eithinan.9841:

atheria.2837:

snip terrible idea

that would make huge NA queues for the lower population servers and still result in the t1 server dominating because of off NA coverage.

I don’t think it would have larger queues than we see now if it were implemented properly.

EOTM has far larger groups than what I am proposing.

Adding a map to the mix would help immensely as well.

Terrible idea? What’s yours?

Stop negating another’s idea without at least presenting one that at least adds to the possibility of a better WvW.

hmm….

It would cause queues during NA on all servers.

EOTM has overflows and is cross-server so it cannot have queues…

yes, terrible idea because it would cause queues for NA on all servers but the PPT win for the week is decided by off NA hours like I said. The only servers with competitive off NA WvW population is T1. That means coverage for the 16 hours of the day not 5P-1A server time. This person doesn’t get it either.

Tongku.5326:

2. Servers literally join together to only the top 6 and all the players abandon anything below rank 6 alltogether. For example, all of SF transfers to SOS, or whichever of the top 6 has least NA coverage, etkittenerally. Just abandon all lower servers.

Again, doing this would create T1 queues for NA but the matches would still be decided by OFF-NA COVERAGE which is currently located on BG,SOS,TC and they all still have huge coverage gaps during the day. The truth is, if a server is being spawn camped you need to drive the enemy forces back. The dev’s, the forums, noone can do this for you or your server. If your server cannot get the coordination together or the population together to do that their is a flaw in your server and you either accept it as a flaw and work to change it or you transfer.

The system is kitten poor, GoM won every single match of the season in bronze and when the smoke cleared, SF who had a lower Glicko moved up. Now SF Glicko is rising, GoM’s is sinking, this is how server morale is destroyed, I’m not even on GoM and I feel bad for them. Stuck in Bronze when they busted their kitten and earned their way into silver only to have Anet slap them in the face and give it to another server that placed under them.

I understand why they add the randomness to the match up lottery but, they should make sure it does not affect those servers that should rightfully move up.

Stacking up only on tiers 1-2 are basically the players fault. Tiers 1-2 keep recruiting / buying guilds just so they can beat other servers in their tiers. Whatever bad stuff they
get from it, is what they all deserve. A lot of lower server players don’t want hammer blobs / infinite arrow carts / golem armies. It’s just no fun for a lot of people so keep
it to your freaking selves. >> We have a life outside gw2!! <<

I prefer fair fights to different ones. Makes no difference to me if we’re fighting maguuma or SBI or whoever as long as the match ups are close and competitive.

It seems to be an NA-specific problem. In EU we have much more volatility and variety in the matchups. Tiers are not stagnant at all except the last one.

Maybe the devs have to develop an NA-specific system.

Jeknar.6184:

You still need one more before you can beat the 14 weeks straight for SF/ET/FC, EBay/AR/BP or BG/JQ/SoR.

Brolis Rock!

I just moved to a T1 server from BP, and this is what WvW was supposed to be. The numbers are close and nice fights 24/7. And contrary to popular belief, queues are not an issue and it’s not only about 1500 men blobs. There’s plenty of room for roaming and small havocs.

It’s clearer to me now that, before every other issue that WvW has, unbalanced population is the most important thing to Anet to fix. Every WvW player deserves fun and balanced fights going on 24/7. It’s like a whole new game.

On the bright side, you learn to really not like the servers you compete against when they are the same week to week. As a result, there is more server pride.

Has more to do with servers being stagnant in terms of their relative strength. At some point though if you are say Maguma or Dragonbrand playing SOS you should be able to “team up” after say 2-3 losses in a row. They “kinda do” but unless it is official it is always a “kinda”.

Spica.9308:

Stacking up only on tiers 1-2 are basically the players fault. Tiers 1-2 keep recruiting / buying guilds just so they can beat other servers in their tiers. Whatever bad stuff they
get from it, is what they all deserve. A lot of lower server players don’t want hammer blobs / infinite arrow carts / golem armies. It’s just no fun for a lot of people so keep
it to your freaking selves. >> We have a life outside gw2!! <<

I would agree with your post for a na players but… As a oceanic player I can only get good fights in top 2 tier and even tier 2 can be boring at times. So basically besides na people or euro on euro servers we don’t have a choice but to stack on certain servers. There just not enough of us to go around

JPSnow.8296:

Spica.9308:

Stacking up only on tiers 1-2 are basically the players fault. Tiers 1-2 keep recruiting / buying guilds just so they can beat other servers in their tiers. Whatever bad stuff they
get from it, is what they all deserve. A lot of lower server players don’t want hammer blobs / infinite arrow carts / golem armies. It’s just no fun for a lot of people so keep
it to your freaking selves. >> We have a life outside gw2!! <<

I would agree with your post for a na players but… As a oceanic player I can only get good fights in top 2 tier and even tier 2 can be boring at times. So basically besides na people or euro on euro servers we don’t have a choice but to stack on certain servers. There just not enough of us to go around

I totally agree. Ocx, Euro and SEA players is what makes tier 1-3 on top and hardly their NA. Tiers 1-2 have their oceans of blobs. Tiers 3-4 has some big night blobs already. Tiers 5-6 has night groups which can be large at times. Tiers 7-8 has some people, dh kain in particular dominate off peak.

People keep insisting to merge the lower servers with tier 2 so why not just suggest 6 mega servers and let them fight each other. No point in crying about variety when all they do is stack the top servers because of their “I’m on top mentality”.

I love how people always assume t1 is all blobs. It’s NOT!
T1 is losing people just as much as other tiers. It’s still most played then wasteland t4 and down but to be honest. Eotm has more action then t1 ever does now.

Jeknar.6184:

You still need one more before you can beat the 14 weeks straight for SF/ET/FC, EBay/AR/BP or BG/JQ/SoR.

That 14 year war is still legendary, we tell war stories of it to the newbies.

truewingnut.2517:

Since Week 11, the server I am on has faced another server every week. Last time I checked, this is week 24. 13 WEEKS!! Needless to say, if you don’t think that the WvW matchups are broken, you have lost your mind.

Fix this before it ruins WvW. I’m sure that there are other match-ups that have gone about the same length of time and they would like to see some different opponents.

13 WEEKS!!!

Wow. 13 weeks? That is amazing. How did your server not have to take part in the leagues and the changing matchups there.:p

Buffy.9246:

I love how people always assume t1 is all blobs. It’s NOT!
T1 is losing people just as much as other tiers. It’s still most played then wasteland t4 and down but to be honest. Eotm has more action then t1 ever does now.

Same way no-lifers assume every other servers that isn’t about 500+ people carrying nothing but hammers or 200+ golems vs 500 arrow carts is a wasteland. But you’re right eotm and Spvp are far better options atm less the constant whining.

As for losing people, blame devs. People are bored with the lack of any significant changes and improvements to WvW. It has been bleeding out players for a long time.