Guild Wars 2

Crimson Magdelana or anyone else,

If you see any of PD acting disrespectful please contact me. My guys are constantly reminded to respect the dead. We salute or bow to a good fight but we do not dance or taunt the dead. That being said occassionally I’ll laugh at pesky thieves before we kill them b/c they annoy me with the culling abuse, however, this should mostly stop after Tuesday.

Almostfaceman.1804:

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Mayhem.1935:

Well, good thing we have this Fight Night set up so we can see all the boss PVPers. Some are quiet, some are loud mouths, some are rude… but..

We will all be able to test our meddle against the duelists of each realm. I for one will be there to step up for DH pvpers. See you there!

The Swindler[SE]

Being able to win a 1v1 can have very little to do with your WvW prowess, especially if you run a confusion mesmer >.<.

Anyway, nope I won’t be able to make it there. I would stomp everyone easily though.

Just going to toss this out there…..WvW is about tactics and holding objectives. Not open field fights with even numbers. So the obsession with colors that Myro and many others have is just their way of showing you true “WvW prowess”.

That said, I do love me some good ’ole fashion brawls – big and small, I love them all.

No, WvW is not about tactics and holding objectives. It’s about the zerg. Pure and simple. Servers with more active people with more active hours win. Skill has little to do with anything. But that’s not the players fault, that would be the fault of the dev’s. They don’t have an easy job, but they volunteered for it. Let’s hope they bring more skill and less zerg to this mmo.

So what you are saying is that, if you are outmanned in a borderland, you must rely on Zergs to get things done? False. I suppose you don’t know what you can actually do with a 5 man coordinated team in a borderland. There are lots of books about tactics in war, maybe you should check them out at the library whenever you stop by.

You and I both might learn a few things

Myro Pyro.1749:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Myro Pyro.1749:

Marcol.2349:

Does DH have any good pvpers?
Was on all day, didn’t see one of your elusive and amazing GRIM players.
All I saw was trash 10-15 burn and war tags cappin’ sentry flags like bosses and getting slaughtered by everyone remotely close to their size in numbers.

On a side note:
less porting through walls, kthnx.

Appreciate the insult to our entire server basically. But to ask if we have any good players would be an understatement, simply by looking at the score. I can name you just a couple guilds in DH that have great significance: Abyss, PD, RioT, BURN, SE, MERC, my guild MoRt and plenty more! When MoRt is on, be sure to take extra peeks at your BL, because your keeps and towers may not be the color you are hoping for

What’s this obsession with the color of the map?

We just want some good fights.

Can we not have multiple obsessions? No worries about the good fights, we will bring them.

PS: Just to add on the obsession list, I’m obsessed with orange soda

If you don’t want Myro to kill you, just change your colors to jalapeno and start dancing.

Unless you are a mesmer, he hates mesmers and those are KOS

Gab Superstar.4059:

Mayhem.1935:

Well, good thing we have this Fight Night set up so we can see all the boss PVPers. Some are quiet, some are loud mouths, some are rude… but..

We will all be able to test our meddle against the duelists of each realm. I for one will be there to step up for DH pvpers. See you there!

The Swindler[SE]

Being able to win a 1v1 can have very little to do with your WvW prowess, especially if you run a confusion mesmer >.<.

Anyway, nope I won’t be able to make it there. I would stomp everyone easily though.

Ha, I see. We suck at PvP except for our confusion mesmers

You must have died to me then.

I will say this, I can beat anyone 1v1, except for really good thiefs if they get the jump on me and know what they are doing. Still figuring that class out. Anyone else, you see the Took, you best run or bring friends cuz you are going down.

Your repair bills have been warned

On the flip side, I usually (because of work), only play on the weekends, so enjoy the illusion of safety from my absence on the battlefield. That, and I am also leveling a ranger so I can be like AR and constantly send my annoying bear pet to draw fire

Fixx.1673:

Ha, I see. We suck at PvP except for our confusion mesmers

You must have died to me then.

I will say this, I can beat anyone 1v1, except for really good thiefs if they get the jump on me and know what they are doing. Still figuring that class out. Anyone else, you see the Took, you best run or bring friends cuz you are going down.

Your repair bills have been warned

On the flip side, I usually (because of work), only play on the weekends, so enjoy the illusion of safety from my absence on the battlefield. That, and I am also leveling a ranger so I can be like AR and constantly send my annoying bear pet to draw fire

No. My group did frequently kill you and your twin a few days ago though. I know your type and what you perceive as fun in WvW, I’m not gonna engage you meaninglessly. I’ll just /sigh and run along, laughing at your inability to catch anyone who doesn’t want to fight you.

And I think it’s more a case of confusion mesmers being very strong 1v1, rather than all of them being very good players.

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Alrighty, I’ll concede that fun is the most important thing, but who’s to say the random upleveled pugs don’t enjoy running with a zerg so they dont die, or for xp. Or that Myro doesn’t love making your map his very own, or that some people like beating others 1v1 in random chance meetings.

The point is WvW is a large scale continuous world that people can do whatever the heck they want and I seriously doubt many people are sacrificing what they think is fun just to win. They just have different ideas of fun than you or I may have.

Sure, they might have different ideas of what fun is. You are not seeing the context though. I personally couldn’t care less about the score points. To threaten me with coloring DRBL blue means nothing to me, because I don’t let our potential points serve as a gauge for how much fun I am having.

I don’t agree with crying about zerging, and I don’t care if you have more numbers than DR. As I have said multiple times. DR has been outnumbered for 3 months now. When I get my fun from the good fights though, and after having seen none of them so far it does hurt MY fun, just as much as fighting a server that constantly has 650+ potential hurts the people playing for points’ fun.

Can it be imagination? Sure. Could it be we haven’t seen the pro groups from DH? Probably not, we have seen most tags mentioned. Regardless, many of the people in our group are taking a break or quitting early because we simply cannot find any fun fights in WvW. Nothing that forces us to think or utilize new strategies.

The whole “our-group-got-wiped-twice-lets-move-BL-so-we-can-PvD” is also a problem. But again, I am speaking from MY point of view here. I fully understand that a lot of people want to play for points, but when you stop fighting (which is what I think is fun) to go cap another BL that has less people in it, you are hurting MY fun. You can keep doing this as much as you want, but I can keep voicing my disapproval of this on the forums as much as I want.

I hope I cleared some things up with you. I don’t seek to disrespect any guild. As I said earlier in this thread, I don’t take pride in beating anyone or believe that my way of playing WvW is the “right” way. I fully realize that with our level of coordination we can beat pretty much anyone less coordinated, even if they happen to have twice our numbers. I am simply voicing my honest view on this match up, as are many other DR players. Don’t lump us together as the “DR posters” either. I try to refrain from that when talking to other servers, and I would ask the same of DH. (More a general message to everyone, not you specifically).

This is a place where we can discuss the match up after all. Of course I will discuss it from my point of view.

JohnnyZero.5619:

To be fair, golem rushing your BL after midnight EST is kind of a low blow, I admit. I hate PvDooring as much as the next guy. We considered doing it to DH, but given that we knew all of their towers and keeps would be fully upgraded AND we would get zerged, we decided DR was the better target. Our golem rush started with 2 golems and 5 escorts, and we were kinda surprised that we got just one of your keeps, let alone all of them.

Feh, don’t worry about our DR whining. Yes, it is annoying when someone has a better night crew than our server (so far it seems to be all of the servers), but…

Really, what the hell is your night crew supposed to do? Strut around admiring the landscape?

Sure it’s sneaky and a little underhanded, but if I was in charge, and I saw an opportunity to take an undefended borderlands, I’d take it. Oh sure, we could be friends, and we could both take on those accursed Darkhaven constantly laughing at us, but I hated that silly idea of teamwork with the enemy when SBI constantly yapped on that we should play nice with you, and I still hate that silly idea. (How’s that teamwork thing going for SBI now, hm? HA!)

So don’t worry too much about hurting some of our more sensitive types feelings. I get more annoyed with the far larger zergs laughing away at us that they could take our keep with drastically superior numbers even after we killed their precious golems with a burning oil that they didn’t bother to kill first. Thieves annoy me too. Oh and confusion mesmers.

Those bloody essential dolyaks taking their sweet time moving their fat furry butts annoy me as well.

@Gab:
WvW is a points game. So, people will inevitably use the points to gauge their success.

Even then it doesnt dictate whether someone has fun or not, so we are on the same page there Gab. That doesnt mean I wont play the game though, and work towards points. Given that you are losing, and you are complaining about having no one skilled to fight, it would seem that there is plenty of room to improve strategy. Obviously, the ones you are using arent working, at least in the game of WvW (which, I do understand if its not really your thing).

It sounds like, if properly implemented, the custom pvp arenas will be perfect for you! I just hope they make them decent scale so people can gvg. Ill still prefer wvw, but it will give options to others.

To be blunt though, the most common response to losing is one of three things;

1: We are outnumbered
2: We are training new players
3: Other side is cheating

While one of these may explain things in specific situations, there are more options. They are just never considered or communicated. How often do you see someone, anyone, admit that they were simply outplayed? It is rare, at best.

I havent seen anything particularly impressive from any server, as a whole, since Fort Aspenwood (I am including my own server in this assessment too, fwiw). And, that was more just sheer coordination and specific tactics, not individual skill. I LOVE their use of LoS blocking to hide numbers, which seemed to be a server-wide tactic. Every server has teams/guilds/parties with a great amount of skill, so seeing players with individual skill is not particularly impressive to me even if I do actively seek them out to fight. I expect it from every single server to have these groups, and every single server DH has faced has them. Now, what impresses me more is when those groups can coordinate with other groups!

Those who can outsmart their opponent along with outplaying them is the reason I do PvP. So, we might just be looking for different things. Though, it sounds like the people playing the game of WvW are ruining your fun, so I hope Anet eventually implements a game mode that you can enjoy more!

Tuluum.9638:

@Gab:
WvW is a points game. So, people will inevitably use the points to gauge their success.

I understand, but I would love for people to understand that not everyone does.

Tuluum.9638:

Even then it doesnt dictate whether someone has fun or not, so we are on the same page there Gab. That doesnt mean I wont play the game though, and work towards points. Given that you are losing, and you are complaining about having no one skilled to fight, it would seem that there is plenty of room to improve strategy. Obviously, the ones you are using arent working, at least in the game of WvW (which, I do understand if its not really your thing).

I don’t think you understand how little we care for points. If we walk past an undefended paper tower, we will do just that. Walk past it. The only strategy I need is how to best kill people.

Do I never care for capturing stuff? That would be a lie. I even have a commander tag I sometimes use. That’s more because I play in a different time zone however, and most of the people I run with don’t get online until later.

Tuluum.9638:

It sounds like, if properly implemented, the custom pvp arenas will be perfect for you! I just hope they make them decent scale so people can gvg. Ill still prefer wvw, but it will give options to others.

I’m not so sure structured PvP is my thing. It’s just too… Structured? I love playing with the terrain, splitting up forces, hitting someone who is hitting someone else. All that crap. No, I do believe WvW is the thing for me

Tuluum.9638:

To be blunt though, the most common response to losing is one of three things;

1: We are outnumbered
2: We are training new players
3: Other side is cheating

While one of these may explain things in specific situations, there are more options. They are just never considered or communicated.

As I said, I don’t agree with these things. Even if I might have cared about points once upon a time, I don’t now. Whining about numbers wouldn’t ring well with not caring about points. That being said, if people come to the forums and talk trash about getting 650+ potential through night capping or fielding three times as many players, I will of course call them out on how much of a kitten they are.

Tuluum.9638:

I havent seen anything particularly impressive from any server, as a whole, since Fort Aspenwood. And, that was more just sheer coordination and specific tactics, not individual skill. I LOVE their use of LoS blocking to hide numbers, which seemed to be a server-wide tactic. Every server has teams/guilds/parties with a great amount of skill, so seeing players with individual skill is not particularly impressive to me even if I do actively seek them out to fight. I expect it from every single server to have these groups, and every single server DH has faced has them. Now, what impresses me is when those groups can coordinate with other groups!

I understand. As I said, I don’t believe myself to be above the rest of DR. The only way I would consider myself so, is because I play to have fun, something a lot of players (from every server) seem to not do.

Tuluum.9638:

Those who can outsmart their opponent along with outplaying them is the reason I do PvP. So, we might just be looking for different things. Though, it sounds like the people playing the game of WvW are ruining your fun, so I hope Anet eventually implements a game mode that you can enjoy more!

If people ruined my fun I wouldn’t be playing WvW. I don’t know how that message couldn’t have gotten across by now

I guess when you really think about it, you play MMO’s for the people you play with, not the people you play against. I’m sure we would agree here, no?

Unless there is a “Devona’s Rest Baroness” title coming this Tuesday. Then I would definitely play to become a god kitten Baroness.

I apologize, I took it to mean from these things:

Gab Superstar.4059:

When I get my fun from the good fights though, and after having seen none of them so far it does hurt MY fun.

we simply cannot find any fun fights in WvW.

you are hurting MY fun.

That your fun was being affected by those playing WvW as its intended.

I wasnt necessarily referring to spvp, but in how they will handle custom arenas. I am hoping that they implement relatively large maps, with large scales (maybe even a tower/keep, siege, etc), so that gvg can happen in the custom arenas (at least in time). And to me, it sounds like gvg is right up your alley. No points, no “war,” just one battle where two sides duke it out with explicitly approved numbers for each side (usually even). No points, etc, just whoever is standing at the end of the battle is the victor.

I do agree we play MMOs for the people quite a bit. Though, at this point, I am playing because I enjoy the game. Those I enjoy playing with are gone.

My point was that wvw IS a points game. Period. I was just saying that I hope they implement something which is more to your liking, since you are not interested in the actual game of WvW, but more the environment and people. Those can exist in any game mode, and is why I hope they come along with something that is more to your liking. I meant it with the best intentions, actually. While some in WvW may be against it (maybe even me a little :P), have you tried organizing a GvG event? You might find the fight you have been seeking.

Your lack of interest in points and a low point tally may be connected.

Its like going to a hockey game and telling them to stop keeping score, because people going for higher scores (with a playstyle that inevitably reflects that) are hurting your fun. Why are they constantly trying to get that puck in the goal? The REAL fun is at the backline!

I get what you are saying, believe it or not. If anet implements a large scale map with custom arenas, I really do think that would perfectly mirror what you are asking from WvW.

See ya on the battlefield! (or not!)

Tuluum.9638:

Your lack of interest in points and a low point tally may be connected.

Apart from this sentence I don’t think you understand anything of what I’m saying.

Could we do more good for the server if we spent an hour pressing 2 on a treb every night? Probably.

Is it fun to spend an hour pressing 2 on a treb every night? I don’t think so.

Will we spend an hour pressing 2 on a treb every night? Nope.

I mean, I hate to point out the obvious, but taking a break from WvW DR isn’t going to do anything but put you into T7, where there are going to be even fewer people who will tickle your fancy. GoM holds a few guilds who will gladly match you for group combat, but keep up that same attitude and they’ll be switching places before you get the chance to fight them. Unless you’re holding out for NSP. They thought they would take a vacation from WvW so they could stomp the tier below them and lo’ and behold, they were shocked and awed at the resistance they met there, and have been losing rating ever since. Sound familiar?

Our servers are in the bottom half due to a long history of transfers and various other reasons. But T6 and T7 were locked into mortal combat for near two months, and in that time we all sharpened each other’s daggers. So IOJ and DR can have their upper tier QQ party, meanwhile GoM and/or NSP/HoD will gladly take your place. Our matchup with them before was never a total steamroll, and if anything should be closer now that they’ve had room to breathe a bit. And personally, I am looking forward to that, as I hear the dead heat matches in T7 have put everyone into bloodlust mode.

But until then, I hope you guys keep up some of the great fights we’ve seen this weekend. I’ll be keeping an eye on the things we own and engaging in small group and 1v1 combat as well.

I don’t care what anybody says, it’s a numbers game and how many people are on when. DR’s BR has been taken completely very early morning thru afternoon repeatedly when there’s hardly anybody on because other servers (not just this particular week’s roundup) have more people on. It’s how they extend their point lead. I’m not kitten nor sad. I totally would do the same thing if I was on a more populated server. But it is a correct observation to say this is a numbers/coverage game. Yes, there are instances where DR just gets beat or vice versa, but the huge point leads have been due to this coverage issue. And I’m sure the numbers game will become more interesting when culling is gone, because right now it’s just hard, period, to know how many of anybody is out there.

I’m not asking DH to change how they play the game. I’m just describing your style of playing the game and why I disapprove of it, from my point of view. You may disapprove of my way of playing the game too.

I’m just an anonymous poster on a game forum, you are free to ignore me.

Tuluum.9638:

edit: just out of curiosity Gab, what guild/tag are you running?

I run a lot of different tags. I don’t represent any of them on the forum though. What I say is completely based on my opinion and my experience in WvW, not the guild as a whole.

Cheers

Gab Superstar.4059:

I run a lot of different tags. I don’t represent any of them on the forum though. What I say is completely based on my opinion and my experience in WvW, not the guild as a whole.

Thats really too bad.. :\ I was looking forward to seeing this skill in action.

I dont disapprove of your playstyle or anything. Just saying that what you are looking for is inherently limited, and even discouraged, by the systems in place for WvW. It doesnt need to be that way for every game mode though, and I am quite curious to see what GW2 looks like in a couple of years.

I also would be curious to see what the participation numbers of each server are in different areas (Dungeons, WvW, etc). Would definitely take the massive subjectivity (exacerbated by things like culling) out of the equation. Though I get the feeling Anet may never release this data.

Gab

What time do you play? We were fighting in in your borderlands for most of the evening last night and we were pretty evenly matched at west keep, then east keep, NE tower, and then you guys killed us when we got greedy and hit both the NW tower and garrison at the same time. We had 12 – 14 PD online with 4 to 5 guests in our group and none of our fights were PvDoor as you keep saying that we do.

Bay – We trebbed down the wall after being pushed off the gate only to get pushed out and then again after we got the wall down. We regrouped with a double attack to finally get it from you guys.
Hills – Got in and pushed out. Got in again and then we somehow got to the inner north gate and got two superior rams on it before you guys found us inside. When we finally pushed in the gate and passed the arrow carts we came to find you guys had sieged up the lords room pretty well. We executed a flawless mesmer portal to the back of the lord room and quickly removed your siege and then took the keep.
NE tower – We had to cat the wall down twice b/c you guys were able to push us out and repair the wall so back to more cats to knock it down again. Then finally we pushed in and took that tower.
NW tower & garrison – We had the gate down at both garrison and NW tower and at this point our numbers were down to about 10 – 12 guys and spread thin as your guys completely smashed us. This was a mistake on my part trying to get a head start on the garrison but you guys capitalized on our mistake.

I’m not sure where you were in all of this fighting that lasted a good 3 to 4 hours in your BL but I know I had a blast and i’m sure a lot of DR did too. There was no PvDoor last night for us. It was a back and forth battle at each structure.

As many have stated WvW is an open world of many people working together to defeat two enemies. If you are simply looking for 1v1 you will probably be disappointed with WvW except for fight nights.

@Togo:

My experience has been exactly the same. Due to the current incarnation of culling though (which favors rendering enemy models over friendlies), my (our) side, Darkhaven, appears to be heavily outnumbered in every fight. I know this isnt the case though. I would guess the same is experienced by every one on every server since the culling system is universal (not for long though!!!). Doesnt mean that we dont outnumber DR by as badly as its claimed, but there is too much subjectivity involved. It seemed pretty obvious that we outnumbered servers like GoM and HoD, but I dont get the same feeling here when they are actually fielding people. The starting weekend was some of the best and closest days in WvW I have had in a while.

Its actually why I am so curious to see actual participation numbers, maybe even in specific areas like Orr. It would also make it easier for players to find a server that fits them in the ways they want.

It will be very interesting to see how the game adapts and changes with the removal of culling.

TogoChubb.3984:

Gab

What time do you play? We were fighting in in your borderlands for most of the evening last night and we were pretty evenly matched at west keep, then east keep, NE tower, and then you guys killed us when we got greedy and hit both the NW tower and garrison at the same time. We had 12 – 14 PD online with 4 to 5 guests in our group and none of our fights were PvDoor as you keep saying that we do.

Unless you feel that 12-14 PD is representative for all of DH I’m not sure where this “you keep saying that we do” is coming from?

I play when I can, I sleep when I want to, and I do important stuff when I need to do important stuff.

TogoChubb.3984:

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Cool. I am glad you had fun.

TogoChubb.3984:

I’m not sure where you were in all of this fighting that lasted a good 3 to 4 hours in your BL but I know I had a blast and i’m sure a lot of DR did too. There was no PvDoor last night for us. It was a back and forth battle at each structure.

Expecting me to always be online, and in the same borderlands as you, is really too much, sorry. Especially given what I wrote earlier in this thread:

“That’s more because I play in a different time zone however…”

TogoChubb.3984:

As many have stated WvW is an open world of many people working together to defeat two enemies. If you are simply looking for 1v1 you will probably be disappointed with WvW except for fight nights.

Don’t think I ever talked about 1v1. In fact, here is a quote from me. I think you will like it.

Gab Superstar.4059:

“Being able to win a 1v1 can have very little to do with your WvW prowess”

Here is another one:

“Believe me, in the grand scheme of things my ability to pick someone off 1v1 is nothing compared to what other professions can do.” (in WvW)

And a third one:

“I don’t put much stake in a 4v6 for the same reason I don’t put much stake in 1v1’s.”

Dear GoM and HoD,

Please gang up on us. Seriously.

Sincerely,

Darkhaven

Ah kitten, sorry. DR and IoJ.

I’m not sure most of the people commenting even know how points are made. So, for the heck of it I’ll give you how points are made and a current personal assesment of the matchup.

1. Points are made via capturing and holding objectives until thier timer counts down to zero. The timers reset about every 15 minutes. Easy right?

2. These points are acumulated 24 hours a day broken up by 3 primary timezones : North america ( NA ), Europe ( EU ), and Oceanic ( OC ). That is 8 hours of each time slot covering 24 hours.

3. If any 1 of the 3 servers have 2 or more timezones ( above ) covered while another does not then a point gap starts to form. This makes it mathmatically imposible for the lacking server to compensate for the points gap. Things like tactics, skill, cookies, won’t make up for this.

As it stands right now in this matchup, this is the coverage from what I have seen :

Zone NA EU OC
DH Great Good Good
IOJ Great Good Poor
DR Great Poor poor

So the maps are as follows for each timezone :

NA – Each BL looks it’s respective color with a few interactions of each of the other servers as they have attempted to push in. EB is multi-colored with nice even splits of objectives. This is the best time for the new wvw love coming tomorrow.

OC – DH owns this time slot and it can color the map blue. I personally would hate this time slot as there would be little to no action making the patch tomorrow hardest on them.

EU – IOJ is awake and able to take back some of it’s own BL and make some headway into EB. DR does come in, but won’t make a huge headway until NA prime.

You can dispute that any way you want. No sever is better than the others, other than time zone coverage. When the mass transfers happened, to all servers, the only thing DR lost was it’s OC/EU coverage. That is when DR started dropping tiers, and will continue to do so until an even coverage time is found, or tier 8, which ever comes first.

Final note: I am here to tell ya that killing those ADQQBtsy guys is a no go. I have litterally fired an AC at 1 for 5 minutes with no effect what so ever. Now I know you’ll say “Part… Aren’t you on the same server????” Ya, but I think it should still count towards my daily kill total. For everyone else play on.

I dont know, i think Gab might be a troll. He wont say who he is, who he represents, where he will be, or when he will be on so skilled ppl can fight his uber group, says he will stomp everyone and everything in 1v1 but refuses to go to a fight night.. i dont know guys, seems like he’s/shes trying to rile us up. Just an observation. /shrug

Mayhem.1935:

I dont know, i think Gab might be a troll. He wont say who he is, who he represents, where he will be, or when he will be on so skilled ppl can fight his uber group, says he will stomp everyone and everything in 1v1 but refuses to go to a fight night.. i dont know guys, seems like he’s/shes trying to rile us up. Just an observation. /shrug

Don’t really care what you think about me, so that’s fine.

If you really wanted to know who I am and when I will be online you could find out pretty easily.

Gab

You accuse DH of PvDoor and claim DR or your group is always outnumbered.

“Can it be imagination? Sure. Could it be we haven’t seen the pro groups from DH? Probably not, we have seen most tags mentioned. Regardless, many of the people in our group are taking a break or quitting early because we simply cannot find any fun fights in WvW. Nothing that forces us to think or utilize new strategies.

The whole “our-group-got-wiped-twice-lets-move-BL-so-we-can-PvD” is also a problem.”

“DR has been outnumbered for 3 months now.”

Last night these 12 – 14 PD and a few friends took most of DR’s BL and where was your so called great skill at smashing twice your numbers? I guess b/c of a different timezone we will not be able to fight. What i’m saying is that we did not outnumber DR and we certainly did not BL hop.

“Expecting me to always be online, and in the same borderlands as you, is really too much, sorry. Especially given what I wrote earlier in this thread:

“That’s more because I play in a different time zone however…””

We fought in DR BL for 3 to 4 hours last night and had some great fights. If you are in a different timezone maybe you should transfer servers to one with a better presence for when you are online. I guess what i’m saying is if your fun is killing people and there aren’t any people online when you are then you should transfer servers. If there are groups of DH on doing what you call PvDoor while you are online then maybe you should just take your kittenness and kill them since that is what you seem to enjoy. You just sound like to me that you really don’t enjoy much about how WvW is structured and played. WvW is mostly about fighting over and holding structures for points (which are required to win) even if you disagree with that or do not care about points; it is what it is.

If gathering points, fighting large and small scale battles, and winning are not fun then what exactly are you doing or enjoy doing in WvW? The only thing I can gather from your recent posts is that you like to kill people. Well, kill someone while the majority of WvWer’s play how we enjoy it by killing people, capturing structures, and OMG gathering points on the scoreboard for bragging rights.

Can someone give me the TLDR version of what is going on here? I’ve been sitting on this cannon for hours and don’t want to miss out on a chance of shooting at some dude running by the tower a couple of times.

TogoChubb.3984:

bullkitten

Do you always lie when trying to get your point across, do you not actually read and comprehend my posts before replying to them, or are you just not that good at forming connections in your head?

The fact that I am in a different time zone doesn’t necessarily dictate when I play, even though it might. To ask me to transfer server is purely ridiculous. If I was you I would probably say something like “You just wanna get me off the server so I stop kittenstomping you every day”. Thankfully I am not you.

Who said that WvW was about fighting for structures? I personally play WvW to have fun. What do you play it for? To see “Your team came in first” for 30 seconds once a week? You can disagree all you want but personally I would call that petty.

You can try but I will never let you dictate what I am supposed to do to have fun in WvW, and I would never dictate what Darkhaven is supposed to do to have fun in WvW. I guess that’s the difference between us. You actively try to discourage people from doing WvW simply because they don’t play it the way you do, I merely put forth my view on the match up.

I think I came across very nice in the last post, explaining why I said what I said. But man you are ramping up quickly here. I was having a perfectly fine conversation with some other people from DH, but unfortunately I cannot say the same for you. This is why I personally loathe lumping posters from servers together.

Oozo.7856:

Can someone give me the TLDR version of what is going on here? I’ve been sitting on this cannon for hours and don’t want to miss out on a chance of shooting at some dude running by the tower a couple of times.

Anger, anger, making up, understanding, rage, anger.

@Togo:

WvW=Points.

Thats really it.

I do think people like Gab would enjoy having a game mode that did not include this. I think that custom arenas are a step in the right direction, and if done properly, will allow everything from fight clubs to GvG to take place in controlled environments.

While I have my doubts about DR being as outnumbered as is claimed, I dont have any doubt that GoM and HoD were outnumbered by us. But.. iirc, the points discrepancy was roughly the same (about double, I think). If DR plays against them, it should be a decent match even with DR having a numbers advantage. I never saw GoM or HoD field as large of zergs as DR consistently puts out, but they managed to get the same amount of points.

If that match ever happens, it should be a pretty darn good one!

DH is currently in a middle ground, we are able to get more PPT than our current tier, but struggle to match the server presence of someone like AR. I guess the only thing to do is get better!

Gab Superstar.4059:

I’m not asking DH to change how they play the game. I’m just describing your style of playing the game and why I disapprove of it, from my point of view. You may disapprove of my way of playing the game too.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Unless you feel that 12-14 PD is representative for all of DH I’m not sure where this “you keep saying that we do” is coming from?

So many different responses to you, Gab, because we can’t really get a straight answer. There are people willing to fight you but you won’t tell us where. People are trying to understand what exactly you mean with this pseudo-anti-DH posting but your posts feel… vague. It seems as if you expect something from us but at the same time you don’t. It’s just really difficult to understand what you’re getting at. Do you like… want half our server to quit WvWing so you can have more fun? Using the word “disapprove” makes this a lot more personal than I’m sure you mean, as does the lumping of our many individuals into something as unclassifiable (aside from our name) as DH. As in not DHers, but DH.

Your second statement above to Togo is basically Strawmanning us away from responding to your claim(s?) that DH is PvDooring and that you disapprove (1st quote) of our zerging. If you’re looking for a good fight, trust me, PD’ll give you one. As will my guild if and when we’re on. You’d be surprised at just how wrong anyone is with the “DH is a bunch of zergers and that’s it” mentality. People come and go and do whatever seems fun. You’ll find borderlands without filled zergs (DR’s last night had—I counted, because people seemed upset last night with our “overwhelming” numbers—18 DHers getting map completion in places… repeat: 18) and with a bunch of roaming small parties. If you can’t find them, you’re not looking hard enough. We’re literally everywhere… though a lot less common in EB.

Edit: Basically everything you’re saying right now is redirecting us away from trying to resolve your issue. You want to fight but have more fun posting how we’re not doing it your way on the forums.

As for style? We’re still recovering from the massive hit (this is not a comparison to you guys, as we all understand you guys had it worse) and have yet to develop one. Want a picture? Casual GW2 player logs on and hits “B.” DH is winning in points. Casual GW2 player who normally PvEs finds that WvW—since we’re winning—might be fun. Player goes into whatever map and finds something fun to do. End of story. People from DR and IoJ will learn a lot about DH by understanding that.

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

And no one is “complaining” about the number of people DH has. Some of you say you don’t have that many, but you do have the 24/7 coverage….that alone is our (IoJ) only issue. Trust me, we love the mindless Duuuuuh zergs throwing badges at us for free all night.

As for 24/7 coverage? We hardly have it. Weekend is gone, which means work’ll keep most people out who were playing for long hours this weekend. In an alternate vein, I’d venture that 1/3 to nearly 1/2 the people you guys see wouldn’t be logging into WvW if we were losing.

This goes for both servers coming honestly from a Darkhavener: Put up some strong resistance and you’ll see our overly inflated superior numbers dwindle. No… drop. Because we really are that unpredictable. (Sometimes that’s a good thing :P )

Tuluum.9638:

While I have my doubts about DR being as outnumbered as is claimed, I dont have any doubt that GoM and HoD were outnumbered by us. But.. iirc, the points discrepancy was roughly the same (about double, I think).

I want to point out that the first week against HoD and GoM (IIRC) we didn’t come in first. Plain and simple, numbers swell as you win. We have tried advertising in LA getting keeps and stuff for PvEers map completion if they wanted it. Stuff like that might help.

Looking forward to the 1v1s, the zergs, the small scale battles, the ganks, the ninjas, the fails, the everything else the rest of this week. Hope everyone else is too.

Fizzlepip.5218:

I want to point out that the first week against HoD and GoM (IIRC) we didn’t come in first. Plain and simple, numbers swell as you win. We have tried advertising in LA getting keeps and stuff for PvEers map completion if they wanted it. Stuff like that might help.

I didnt remember that, but I think you might be right on it. I actually get the impression that all servers are pretty well populated, its just a matter of WvW participation that is a different story. And when your server is winning, the numbers absolutely go up. I think many of the people that try it out end up liking it though!

And, as far as I can remember (ironically, I started out on Devonas Rest, but transferred to DH a few days after release), DH has never really had 24/7 coverage. When we have coverage, we tend to be very strong which makes us rise in tiers, but when we face servers that have better around the clock coverage, its difficult to keep those point gaps from widening.

Looking forward to the 1v1s, the zergs, the small scale battles, the ganks, the ninjas, the fails, the everything else the rest of this week. Hope everyone else is too.

I know I am! Yesterday, I managed to die falling off a small cliff, because of the damage I received from “rubbing” the rocks on the way down. Took me a second to even figure out I had died!

Fizzlepip.5218:

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Do you expect me to base my posts on anything else but my personal experience? Do you expect me to research every guild on a server before posting?

That’s why I say “from my point of view”. I cannot possibly keep track of everyone on a server, but what I have said about DH so far has been representative of what I have seen from them.

I don’t engage in 1v1’s or GvG’s, and it’s funny when it comes from people who say what I do is not real WvW. Are 1v1’s or GvG’s “real” WvW? No, so why use it as some kind of measurement of skill? The most important aspect of being good at zerg busting is knowing the lay of the land, using it to your advantage, but most of all assessing a situation and acting accordingly. None of these things can be found in a closed GvG situation. That is why I said any type of structured PvP is inferior to WvW for me.

Furthermore, it often leads to a lot of pie-throwing. “I killed you 1v1 noob”, “Here’s a screenshot of you scrubs. You look a little pale lying on the ground there, what’s up?” We went over that with Maguuma, I’d prefer to not do it with Darkhaven. This is also why I won’t give my name or guild away, but as I said, you can find it easily if you bother to look.

Giving your tag away often turns into a very hostile situation where every kill turns into a potential troll on the forums. I fully realize my group and I die from time to time, but I would hate for them to be the target of the trolling simply because of something I said on the forums. Sometimes maybe they just want to try out a few new builds, run around casually and stuff. For them to be instantly targeted by everyone is not something I wish on them. Everything I say or claim here are my words entirely.

Lastly, when I said I would probably stomp everyone, it was mostly a joke. Don’t put too much thought into it.

Disapproving might be the wrong word, yes. I am not a native speaker and sometimes it shows. The point I am trying to get across is that I personally could have a lot more fun in this match up if DH had more smaller groups running around, something akin to ECHO squad and Sekz on Ehmry Bay. If you took the time to read my posts you would see that I fully respect everyone’s way of playing the game and getting fun out of it, more so than some DH posters, but I still have the right to give my view on the match up and why I feel it is lacking compared to others, because this thread is about the match up after all.

Partunu.9845:

Final note: I am here to tell ya that killing those ADQQBtsy guys is a no go. I have litterally fired an AC at 1 for 5 minutes with no effect what so ever. Now I know you’ll say “Part… Aren’t you on the same server????” Ya, but I think it should still count towards my daily kill total. For everyone else play on.

Ya, we really don’t worry too much about arrow carts. I know the other day I stayed in range of an arrow cart for a long time while killing multiple people. People (our enemies in this case) believe that the added arrow cart firepower is going to help them kill us but we just use it as bait to get you out there so we can kill ya ;-P You are going to have to have skill with equal numbers or pure numbers to get us down in arrow cart range.

Stylii Elementalist (Slyvari)
Shoulda Rolled Kaineng (NoQQ) Leader
ADQQBsty Alliance

Gab Superstar.4059:

Fizzlepip.5218:

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I don’t engage in 1v1’s

You should probably abstain from saying that you would stomp everyone anyway at a fight night unless you plan or backing it up, which, above you say you don’t do. I’m not the best player in the game(nor a confusion mesmer lol ) but if i say “i’d going to stomp everyone anyway” then i’m prepared to put up or shut the F up. ^.^

Mayhem.1935:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Fizzlepip.5218:

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I don’t engage in 1v1’s

You should probably abstain from saying that you would stomp everyone anyway at a fight night unless you plan or backing it up, which, above you say you don’t do. I’m not the best player in the game(nor a confusion mesmer lol ) but if i say “i’d going to stomp everyone anyway” then i’m prepared to put up or shut the F up. ^.^

Sorry, I don’t engage in 1v1’s for the purpose of pie-throwing or bragging on the forums.

I genuinely can’t participate in the FC even though I want to, I am catching a train for Easter celebrations on Friday morning.

@Gab:

Let me ask this;

If Anet offered two game modes, one WvW and the other.. AKLJDSFLKJDF mode. WvW is basically as it is, but AKLJDSFLKJDF mode has a score based on kills rather than captured points, which would you be playing? Lets even say the kills are based on an amount that is in proportion to group sizes, meaning that if you took out a large group with a smaller group, it would count more than the other way around. Would you still play WvW, or the other game mode?

I actually suspect that custom arenas, down the line, may be exactly like this. Its the only reason I brought it up. Some of us just might find it strange that you disapprove of others playing the game the way it was designed and intended (to gain points which results in a win, no matter the lack of reward other than that). This isnt specific to some server, or anything like that. WvW wouldnt have points gained by capped objectives if it wasnt designed for the teams to gain points and win the match by capping objectives.

It is entirely possible its a miscommunication too, with English not being your native language. Maybe just saying you prefer to not play for points, and choose to do it in WvW because Anet doesnt really give you another area to have the same experience. When you say you disapprove, sticking with the hockey analogy, I perceive it to mean the same as if someone were to tell me that they did not approve of people scoring goals. The goals are like captured points in WvW. In hockey, you will see smaller battles, but the main objective is getting the goal (or captured tower). So, people tend to focus on how to work as a team to get the objective, and this might mean skipping a battle that might result in the other team getting a goal (regardless of how fun the skirmish is!).

Feel free to replace “hockey” with the sport/competition of your choice!

I can understand the whole not posting your tag on the forum thing, but it definitely sits a bit strange to also brag. If you would feel more comfortable in a PM, I really would like to know who I am facing. If you think you have things you can teach me, then I want to learn. Any opportunity to learn is a good one.

Zizanzi.4678:

Partunu.9845:

Final note: I am here to tell ya that killing those ADQQBtsy guys is a no go. I have litterally fired an AC at 1 for 5 minutes with no effect what so ever. Now I know you’ll say “Part… Aren’t you on the same server????” Ya, but I think it should still count towards my daily kill total. For everyone else play on.

Ya, we really don’t worry too much about arrow carts. I know the other day I stayed in range of an arrow cart for a long time while killing multiple people. People (our enemies in this case) believe that the added arrow cart firepower is going to help them kill us but we just use it as bait to get you out there so we can kill ya ;-P You are going to have to have skill with equal numbers or pure numbers to get us down in arrow cart range.

Stylii Elementalist (Slyvari)
Shoulda Rolled Kaineng (NoQQ) Leader
ADQQBsty Alliance

The only time I worry about arrow carts is if there are A LOT of them, or if there is a warrior on one!

Tuluum.9638:

@Gab:

Let me ask this;

If Anet offered two game modes, one WvW and the other.. AKLJDSFLKJDF mode. WvW is basically as it is, but AKLJDSFLKJDF mode has a score based on kills rather than captured points, which would you be playing? Lets even say the kills are based on an amount that is in proportion to group sizes, meaning that if you took out a large group with a smaller group, it would count more than the other way around. Would you still play WvW, or the other game mode?

That depends on the scale. A closed environment where only certain individuals could compete against each other is not in my best interest, as I mentioned earlier. I like the way WvW works where everyone can join and you are largely anonymous unless you choose not to be, because what keeps the experience fresh for me is fighting a lot of different people.

Tuluum.9638:

I actually suspect that custom arenas, down the line, may be exactly like this. Its the only reason I brought it up. Some of us just might find it strange that you disapprove of others playing the game the way it was designed and intended (to gain points which results in a win, no matter the lack of reward other than that). This isnt specific to some server, or anything like that. WvW wouldnt have points gained by capped objectives if it wasnt designed for the teams to gain points and win the match by capping objectives.

While this is true, the ultimate goal of a game is to have fun, and it’s not like DR has queues anyway. But I think we have talked enough about fun

Tuluum.9638:

It is entirely possible its a miscommunication too, with English not being your native language. Maybe just saying you prefer to not play for points…

I think this is a pretty good representation of why I play. Sorry if it didn’t get across yet.

Thanks for staying civil with me! As I have said multiple times, I really don’t like forum drama.

Tuluum.9638:

I can understand the whole not posting your tag on the forum thing, but it definitely sits a bit strange to also brag. If you would feel more comfortable in a PM, I really would like to know who I am facing. If you think you have things you can teach me, then I want to learn. Any opportunity to learn is a good one.

Feel free to PM me in-game if you want to discuss anything. As I said earlier in the thread, we run a lot of hammer guardians and staff eles and rely on shock + combo fields (+ Mighty Blow) to win battles. Our initial hits usually take 5-10 people down. We also have very good communications and a strong leader, which helps a lot.

Oh and we are not a guild per se, we are a conglomerate of guilds who just enjoys running with each other, we usually sport ~5 tags, so most people don’t realize we are organized

SOMEONE JUST RAN BY MY TOWER!! I shot at him with my cannon! But he dodged it and now he is gone.

The hunt continues…

@Gab:

Scale-wise, thats why I said exactly like WvW. So, same 4 maps, three servers, etc. Only thing that is different is the score is added up solely by kills. Capturing towers, etc. has nothing to do with it other than providing a strategic advantage in getting more kills. Would you play that instead of WvW?

Are we able to PM cross-server? I thought they disabled that. I know I havent successfully been able to talk with some friends on a different server, but its entirely possible its a bug.

And, I usually solo roam when Im not PUGing. I would struggle to solo a zerg (to say the least)! Doesnt mean I wont try though. I do know, there are several guilds on DH that would give you exactly what you are looking for. Might not be the best thing to do an organized GvG, but it could be fun to try to plan on being in the same map at the same time. Just an idea.

Oozo.7856:

SOMEONE JUST RAN BY MY TOWER!! I shot at him with my cannon! But he dodged it and now he is gone.

The hunt continues…

I have to admit, thats exactly what I do when I eat. I might feel bad about it if we got queues much, but we dont, so Ill shoot cannons while I eat some mac and cheese!

You just got CHILLED sucka!

WOW..this thread has really turned into something special! half way through i took my shirt off and started chanting “Jerry! Jerry!” Now that we have everyones fingers a clickin’ lets actually play the kitten game!

in regards to the Darkhaven people /laughing at people….we were on our lowbies lastnight, about 5 of us and 1 lvl 80 and 13 Isle came through and dispatched us. Our level 80 lasted about 4 min with all those people trying to take him out. after they did. we received a generous helping of Tea Bags and /laughs …so it goes both ways..thats for sure.

and in regards to numbers in the morning…ours are awful..sometimes we only have 10 people in the whole wvw area during the bankers shift.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Do you expect me to base my posts on anything else but my personal experience? Do you expect me to research every guild on a server before posting?

That’s why I say “from my point of view”. I cannot possibly keep track of everyone on a server, but what I have said about DH so far has been representative of what I have seen from them.

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I don’t engage in 1v1’s or GvG’s, and it’s funny when it comes from people who say what I do is not real WvW. Are 1v1’s or GvG’s “real” WvW? No, so why use it as some kind of measurement of skill? The most important aspect of being good at zerg busting is knowing the lay of the land, using it to your advantage, but most of all assessing a situation and acting accordingly. None of these things can be found in a closed GvG situation. That is why I said any type of structured PvP is inferior to WvW for me.

Furthermore, it often leads to a lot of pie-throwing. “I killed you 1v1 noob”, “Here’s a screenshot of you scrubs. You look a little pale lying on the ground there, what’s up?” We went over that with Maguuma, I’d prefer to not do it with Darkhaven. This is also why I won’t give my name or guild away, but as I said, you can find it easily if you bother to look.

Giving your tag away often turns into a very hostile situation where every kill turns into a potential troll on the forums. I fully realize my group and I die from time to time, but I would hate for them to be the target of the trolling simply because of something I said on the forums. Sometimes maybe they just want to try out a few new builds, run around casually and stuff. For them to be instantly targeted by everyone is not something I wish on them. Everything I say or claim here are my words entirely.

Lastly, when I said I would probably stomp everyone, it was mostly a joke. Don’t put too much thought into it.

This first part of the post is exactly what I mean, though. You didn’t respond to what I said or asked and instead responded in part to what you assume other people are saying or asking or said it simply just to say it.

What exactly do you want? A good fight? It shouldn’t be too hard if you go to any of the Borderlands. EB is too populated by every server to get a good one for much time at all before others swing by.

But you won’t tell us how this fight is supposed to be. Or what you mean by a good fight. Or even if you want this to happen. You just don’t like however it is DH does whatever it is you don’t like. That’s basically what I register here.

- Never said anything about anyone’s skill.
- Nor anything about 1v1s or GvGs.
- You and others, by lumping us into one overarching DH (instead of “some DHers,” for example), are, inadvertently or not, taking swipes at the integrity of every WvWer on DH when you highlight the kittenclownery of the few that /dance over corpses. (I’ve been /sit on, /dance, /etc. on by both servers since Friday—this stuff happens all the time. We just have, as I pointed out, more casuals and pugs playing because we’re winning. End of story.) So for those upset about it—get over it. Kitten happens to every server, from every server, and you’re not going to stop it posting. I only ever /salute people who put up good fights, or, in rare occasions, /laugh or /no when someone tries to cheapshot gank me and I keep going on my way, or /yes after I have killed said person.
- You don’t seem to know what you want. Darkhaven has maybe two zergs on a map at a time. Most often one (if any).
- Never asked for your tag, just clarification on how you expect us to choose to fight you behind the curtain of your anonymity.
- I don’t know what timezone you’re in, but your availability to post suggests that it’s not too different from ours.

WvW IS gauged by a point tally. Therefore most players who care about WvWing are going to be trying to earn points. Therefore sometimes they just keep running by instead of trying to swipe at anonymous invader & pals who are too busy looking for fights on the forums.

Come find people on DH to fight instead of waiting for us to fight you. Trust me, you will.
I’ll be in either DR or IoJ tonight, most likely in the southern half in and out of the center island. When my guildies and I aren’t busy doing things that help develop our server, we’re usually passing through there hoping for good fights.

I do stomp most people. I expect to do it even after the stealth nerf this coming update. I’m willing to back this up, and I don’t /laugh or kitten troll anyone who’s willing to put up a fight. Anyone that does, good or bad, is right by me.

I’d gladly go through the second half of page 3 and whole page 4 but alas, time is of the essence :P

DR and IOJ (from the time that I started playing WvW a lot) have both been up against another server that’s just…bigger. Tactics are a huge part of WvW, if you can organize it well, but so are the numbers. I know we (DR) can do well when we got the people cuz I’ve witnessed it and the map is far from being just one colour.

The only thing I never understood is how it’s possible to do so well in the evening – we get more points than IOJ but less than DH – (and this goes on for as long as I’m online), just to wake up the next morning and have almost nothing. But then I realised it’s the play-times. Apparently, Anet will have a different match-making system in this next patch so (hopefully!) this will be taken into consideration. Keep IOJ, but add another like DR and IOJ <3. Personally, I don’t mind when it’s a fun match (as it usually is in the evening, especially during the weekend), but during the early day… not so much.

On a side note… I hope I get to make an arch enemy or two from DH, as I did from Ebay and SBI (those characters were fun to face).

Fizzlepip.5218:

WvW IS gauged by a point tally. Therefore most players who care about WvWing are going to be trying to earn points.

Just like hockey players trying to score goals. It just.. is what it is.

I’ll be in either DR or IoJ tonight, most likely in the southern half in and out of the center island. When my guildies and I aren’t busy doing things that help develop our server, we’re usually passing through there hoping for good fights.

There is your invite Gab! It could be exactly what you are looking for.

Oozo.7856:

SOMEONE JUST RAN BY MY TOWER!! I shot at him with my cannon! But he dodged it and now he is gone.

The hunt continues…

Seening how hoi polloi does it huh? To maximize your immersion hang out in stone mist chasing people in circles from cannon to cannon. Its the big leagues but hey, i think youve got what it takes.

last episide of guild of our lifes: derk haven about to secure oil rig contract, btu sister date of isle of jambo mak pressur of debonas rest five pregnants in dispute with [rise] guild millionare

First … what’s the point of all this arguing? People complaining that others are playing to win is ridiculous. Nobody wants this game to be not-fun for you, but if your only definition of fun runs completely counter to the objective of the game, then there are going to be times when that fun is hard to find. You can either persevere or reevaluate, but complaining at people whose goals are more in-line with the points system is not really a valid solution.

I’m a relatively new WvW player (from PvE… I’m not a PvP guy), and I just wanted to say I’ve been having a bunch of fun. I’ve done some zerging, some smaller squad combat, and a little bit of solo roaming (read: dieing), but mostly I’m just learning and enjoying the experience. Being laughed at or teabagged is not fun. If I win a fight against a persistent enemy or see someone impress me, I always try to bow or salute. And to the DH guys I’ve been running around with, thanks for putting up with me!

maxsettings.2834:

Was just trying to give you guys a good defense at NW tower in DR BL….but DH just wasn’t having it; not this night.

Suddenly people start coming in while gates & walls are still up. Sorry, couldn’t get very good pictures or a video because it all happened so fast.

Picture 1: Warrior is the first to no-clip into the tower.

Picture 2: Same warrior has to back off because me and the NPCs are wailing on her.

Picture 3, 4 & 5: Mesmer dropped a portal that has the rest of their forces come in.

Picture 6: Rofl.

Ohh, oooh, pick me! I was that warrior. I have no idea how it happened, either. I whirled through your gate, did a double-take, and then started screaming. Somehow I got back out with my next whirl. Then someone else clipped through and said you guys were “pulling us” through, and then our mesmer got pulled in and dropped a portal. Game over tower. Sorry.

If youre new to pvp the siege/score can be fun for a bit. But PvDooring and zerging people down loses its luster along with the static encounters involved in the whole process.

Untimately pvp is about player vs player. Take 2 people and put them in a box and you will get years of unpredictable and unrepeatable play. Put hundreds in a huge box and some really fun and interesting things happen. But not if no ones leaves the comfort of their cannon encrusted keep.

Tuluum.9638:

just out of curiosity Gab, what guild/tag are you running?

Since you were wondering he is part of Anonymous Defender [AD] which is part of the illustrious alliance ADQQSTY (AD/NoQQ/BSty). You’ll find us running around between objective points hunting zergs or defending them in ‘Zombie Survival Mode’ with the door and most of the walls down massacring people as they come in.

Also since you have said we have a lack of focus on points for the week I’d disagree. Does murdering enemy players by the hundreds as they are trying to reinforce one of their defense points while someone from our server takes it not PTFO? Is sneaking into a bay keep while the other two servers fight over it, then killing everyone inside not PTFO? If you think those aren’t PTFO then maybe you should research some strategic strategies; and avoid using strategies like ‘Xerxes at Thermopylae’

Dynnen.6405:

Also since you have said we have a lack of focus on points for the week I’d disagree. Does murdering enemy players by the hundreds as they are trying to reinforce one of their defense points while someone from our server takes it not PTFO? Is sneaking into a bay keep while the other two servers fight over it, then killing everyone inside not PTFO? If you think those aren’t PTFO then maybe you should research some strategic strategies; and avoid using strategies like ‘Xerxes at Thermopylae’

Thats great and all, but I was only responding to what Gab said. And Gab made it pretty clear s/he doesnt care about points. The only thing that could have even been close to interpreted as a blanket statement was when I said it may be connected to the low point tally. The word “may” being the operative term there.

All of those things can help the server. Not sure what your point is? Maybe you misunderstood the conversation?

Either way, Ill keep an eye out for for those guilds.

Acelerion.6820:

If youre new to pvp the siege/score can be fun for a bit. But PvDooring and zerging people down loses its luster along with the static encounters involved in the whole process.

I know I’m new (to gw2 wvw), but large group combat is really in no way less dynamic than 1v1. I would argue that the process of working with other people (some who you have never seen before and can’t easily communicate with) only adds variety to the encounter. Zergs are simply actions that provoke reactions from the enemy. You can scout their target and fortify, you can mobilize your own zerg, you can split your force and hit their camps/towers in response, or you can come on the forums and kitten about it. So far, I’ve seen all four of those options taken (and some more). I understand why some people may not like zergs, but a skilled group can easily punish an enemy for overusing them.

I would say large group combat is a lot less dynamic. The choices are a lot more obvious as you mention, fortify, mobilize ect. But none of this takes the person into account because at this level people are largely interchangeable. If you can follow someone and mash buttons you are 80% as effective as anyone would be in the same role.

On the other hand, small group direct pvp combat offers a wealth of complexity due to the timing, precision, and communication needed. Small choices you may not even know you made can be the difference between winning and losing. Plus it offers you personally the ability to try things differently and see the direct result. It offers you the ability to learn and be a better player.

Acelerion.6820:

I would say large group combat is a lot less dynamic. The choices are a lot more obvious as you mention, fortify, mobilize ect. But none of this takes the person into account because at this level people are largely interchangeable. If you can follow someone and mash buttons you are 80% as effective as anyone would be in the same role.

On the other hand, small group direct pvp combat offers a wealth of complexity due to the timing, precision, and communication needed. Small choices you may not even know you made can be the difference between winning and losing. Plus it offers you personally the ability to try things differently and see the direct result. It offers you the ability to learn and be a better player.

How does adding more variables to the same system make it less complex?

That doesnt make sense to me.

All things being equal (skill, numbers, etc), it only provides more opportunities and strategies. Its all the same game though. If a skilled zerg of 40 faces another skilled zerg of 40, there will be more complexities to the battle than if a skilled group of 5 takes on another skilled group of 5.

Now, if you are talking about how it takes more skill for a group of 5 to beat a group of 15 than it does if the group of 15 were to beat the 5.. then.. yeah, of course.