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Luvpie I haven’t seen that happen since the patch what guilds are doing that and not sending out invites to join the wxp train? Any day I’ve been on we’ve been getting pushed hard by yaks in our home bl so that 70 man should swing by for a wipe occasionally.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

Where is this 10 man DB zerg you speak of? I’ve never seen a DB blob of less than 40 man during Oceanic/SEA time. And they still fail at taking keeps.

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Elano.2014:

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

haha. yea EU pvdooring leading to NA timezone is the same as NA pvdooring to SEA to AUS timzone with 2-3 hr gaps in between. Apples & Oranges imo. YB will win when they work with #3 server and push DB off all maps during ALL of NA and some of SEA etc during the weekend.

SoS is just terrible, they wipe over an over in any time zone, they only build trebs like crazy in the keeps to bring the walls of SM down, and then wipe over and over in the hole they made.

I dont know if its lack of commanders or organization, numbers they have at all times zones.

As for YB they put very good battles, but I honestly think theres bad organization there, even at NA times they seems unorganized.

Again this is my perception as one who played the last couple of weeks in all time zones, no offence intended.

Everybody have their arguments but numbers are facts, just look at them.

GabGar.4962:

SoS is just terrible, they wipe over an over in any time zone, they only build trebs like crazy in the keeps to bring the walls of SM down, and then wipe over and over in the hole they made.

I dont know if its lack of commanders or organization, numbers they have at all times zones.

As for YB they put very good battles, but I honestly think theres bad organization there, even at NA times they seems unorganized.

Again this is my perception as one who played the last couple of weeks in all time zones, no offence intended.

Everybody have their arguments but numbers are facts, just look at them.

That’s why we won tier 1 9 times in a row bro, yeah real terribads.

Le Rooster.8715:

GabGar.4962:

SoS is just terrible, they wipe over an over in any time zone, they only build trebs like crazy in the keeps to bring the walls of SM down, and then wipe over and over in the hole they made.

I dont know if its lack of commanders or organization, numbers they have at all times zones.

As for YB they put very good battles, but I honestly think theres bad organization there, even at NA times they seems unorganized.

Again this is my perception as one who played the last couple of weeks in all time zones, no offence intended.

Everybody have their arguments but numbers are facts, just look at them.

That’s why we won tier 1 9 times in a row bro, yeah real terribads.

Congratulations good sir!, you have won the Coverage Wars 9 times in a row!, please take a sit with DB, so you guys can share stories about beating servers with coverage weakness, the media and the press will arrive soon.

Better to have lived and died than never to have lived at all

Elano.2014:

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Huge difference between NNK upgrading in complete peace and DB NA queueing their own BL whenever a WPed home keep is threatened, and YB NA trying to upgrade against genuine zergs and trying to defend NNK with about 20 pugs, max. But I wasn’t talking about symmetry at all, I was just pointing out that the structures that DB NA inherits makes them appear much stronger PPT-wise than they really are.

I won’t begrudge anyone “taking easier stuff” when the match outcome is still in doubt, but at this time of week we just want to fight, and its just frustrating to see our opponents intentionally seeking pvdoor. I guess I can understand losing your taste for battle after 10 wipes, but after just 1 or 2? Come on.

Facet.5914:

Elano.2014:

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Huge difference between NNK upgrading in complete peace and DB NA queueing their own BL whenever a WPed home keep is threatened, and YB NA trying to upgrade against genuine zergs and trying to defend NNK with about 20 pugs, max. But I wasn’t talking about symmetry at all, I was just pointing out that the structures that DB NA inherits makes them appear much stronger PPT-wise than they really are.

I won’t begrudge anyone “taking easier stuff” when the match outcome is still in doubt, but at this time of week we just want to fight, and its just frustrating to see our opponents intentionally seeking pvdoor. I guess I can understand losing your taste for battle after 10 wipes, but after just 1 or 2? Come on.

WvW is a coverage game, to complain or begrudge a server because they have better coverage is pointless. with that said, DB can use additional NA coverage; I think this point has been made week after week. Although, our NA could use more numbers we are doing a fantastic job keeping yaks from closing the gap during their prime time. Our SEA group is great and deserve a ton of credit for our servers successes.

The Goat.1940:

Facet.5914:

Elano.2014:

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Huge difference between NNK upgrading in complete peace and DB NA queueing their own BL whenever a WPed home keep is threatened, and YB NA trying to upgrade against genuine zergs and trying to defend NNK with about 20 pugs, max. But I wasn’t talking about symmetry at all, I was just pointing out that the structures that DB NA inherits makes them appear much stronger PPT-wise than they really are.

I won’t begrudge anyone “taking easier stuff” when the match outcome is still in doubt, but at this time of week we just want to fight, and its just frustrating to see our opponents intentionally seeking pvdoor. I guess I can understand losing your taste for battle after 10 wipes, but after just 1 or 2? Come on.

WvW is a coverage game, to complain or begrudge a server because they have better coverage is pointless. with that said, DB can use additional NA coverage; I think this point has been made week after week. Although, our NA could use more numbers we are doing a fantastic job keeping yaks from closing the gap during their prime time. Our SEA group is great and deserve a ton of credit for our servers successes.

I’m not complaining about coverage, I am arguing against this strange idea that DB NA is doing a “fantastic job.” You are doing approximately what could be expected given your numbers, ours, the structures you inherit from NNK, and the relative lack of a 3rd server.

our NA is doing a really good job. Until you have been over here defending week after week for months you cannot say any different. We work hard against our adversaries NA no matter what servers they happen to be. In addition, it’s the same defenders week after week. DB NA I salute you for your loyalty and hardwork each day! no one can minimalize our efforts!

Facet.5914:

The Goat.1940:

Facet.5914:

Elano.2014:

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Huge difference between NNK upgrading in complete peace and DB NA queueing their own BL whenever a WPed home keep is threatened, and YB NA trying to upgrade against genuine zergs and trying to defend NNK with about 20 pugs, max. But I wasn’t talking about symmetry at all, I was just pointing out that the structures that DB NA inherits makes them appear much stronger PPT-wise than they really are.

I won’t begrudge anyone “taking easier stuff” when the match outcome is still in doubt, but at this time of week we just want to fight, and its just frustrating to see our opponents intentionally seeking pvdoor. I guess I can understand losing your taste for battle after 10 wipes, but after just 1 or 2? Come on.

WvW is a coverage game, to complain or begrudge a server because they have better coverage is pointless. with that said, DB can use additional NA coverage; I think this point has been made week after week. Although, our NA could use more numbers we are doing a fantastic job keeping yaks from closing the gap during their prime time. Our SEA group is great and deserve a ton of credit for our servers successes.

I’m not complaining about coverage, I am arguing against this strange idea that DB NA is doing a “fantastic job.” You are doing approximately what could be expected given your numbers, ours, the structures you inherit from NNK, and the relative lack of a 3rd server.

It may seem strange to you, but having 200PPT during NA hours is pretty dang good for DB, especially against the zergs YB fields during NA prime. Anyone seen SoS lately?

Aeonblade.8709:

Facet.5914:

The Goat.1940:

Facet.5914:

Elano.2014:

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Huge difference between NNK upgrading in complete peace and DB NA queueing their own BL whenever a WPed home keep is threatened, and YB NA trying to upgrade against genuine zergs and trying to defend NNK with about 20 pugs, max. But I wasn’t talking about symmetry at all, I was just pointing out that the structures that DB NA inherits makes them appear much stronger PPT-wise than they really are.

I won’t begrudge anyone “taking easier stuff” when the match outcome is still in doubt, but at this time of week we just want to fight, and its just frustrating to see our opponents intentionally seeking pvdoor. I guess I can understand losing your taste for battle after 10 wipes, but after just 1 or 2? Come on.

WvW is a coverage game, to complain or begrudge a server because they have better coverage is pointless. with that said, DB can use additional NA coverage; I think this point has been made week after week. Although, our NA could use more numbers we are doing a fantastic job keeping yaks from closing the gap during their prime time. Our SEA group is great and deserve a ton of credit for our servers successes.

I’m not complaining about coverage, I am arguing against this strange idea that DB NA is doing a “fantastic job.” You are doing approximately what could be expected given your numbers, ours, the structures you inherit from NNK, and the relative lack of a 3rd server.

It may seem strange to you, but having 200PPT during NA hours is pretty dang good for DB, especially against the zergs YB fields during NA prime. Anyone seen SoS lately?

Haha. DB resets every upgrade during EU and has their own ugpraded T3 keeps with WP for NA. YB has to fight a uphill battle with numbers while SoS has to fight a uphill battle with pugs and pvers with no WvW guilds left. DB is taking easy wins because YB/SoS won’t focus on you ALL the time because you have coverage and thats the way game is meant to be played. Instead YB plays for #2 by resetting SoS’s borderland during NA time. It’s not going to get any more even with Maguma coming around if YB doesn’t change strat.

You should listen to Luvpie. His assessment is accurate.

Luvpie.8350:

Porky.5021:

PurpleBackpackAttack.1462:

Man I dunno about you guys but has SoS and Yaks lost their spine. I’m tired of just walking over all their keeps. I log on and see some upgraded keeps, march on them with like 10 people, and they flee their walls.
Are they just farming wxp or actually terrored of DB.

Even when we come across a zerg of equal size they just run and hide to afraid of open combat.
TLDR: servers are cowards DB is manly.

Just farming WXP. We’ve had multiple commanders out the last few days who have openly said they will not defend anything. Their only goal is to cap as many undefended camps and towers as possible.

I, personally, think it sucks.

Before the patch DB used to zerg/travel with their guild tags like normal but after the WXP introduction DB guilds zerg together into a massive 70+ zerg and hop maps after completely taking over maps once and don’t back cap. Not Db’s fault, anet’s fault for making wxp easier to farm with giant groups. If they introduced a daily cap of wxp through capping structures and make kills count more and made defense give 10x as much wxp as offense people would defend more and upgrade stuff.

I might be true that the incentive could be different (and are disappointing atm) but the wvw people have been playing without it for some time now. Certainly there is no force (except the pve people) pressuring a wvw commander into “farming zergs”. They choose to do this on their free will so i am sorry to say, its not really that easy just blaming behaviour on incentives. Its still the server/guilds/players that decide to do that. And it is pretty frustrating for those that have been always playing for fun (whatever your personal definition might be) to be now caught up in this scenario on ones server, no matter what the score.

P.s. : and for sos, the strict refusal to actually pull of some orga outside aussi time might be not such an advantage

To the actual WvWers;

Thanks for the weeks of fun, I enjoyed many small/medium and large force fights. I hope you all continue to enjoy the game. Good Luck Maguuma, I hope you have fun in Tier 3.

To the forum warriors;

We three servers played for 7th, 8th and 9th place in NA this week. Congrats to DB on winning this tier. Congrats to YB for 2nd in this tier.

See you on the battlefield.

Luvpie.8350:

Aeonblade.8709:

Facet.5914:

The Goat.1940:

Facet.5914:

Elano.2014:

Facet.5914:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Edit: Also, if you look at the ppt evolution for DB, you’ll notice that it rarely drops below 200, even during the strongest times for YB. DB day crew has gotten significantly stronger over the past several months. It would take far more than a bit of a night crew for YB to actually beat DB in this matchup.

DB’s NA gets to defend the fully upgraded structures NNK gives them, and is rather infamous among YB players for constantly running away and switching maps when they wipe. In any case most of YB is in pve by this time of week as the outcome cannot be altered. So enjoy your +200 if you think that’s an accomplishment.

YB has at least roughly 8 hours (counting from NA afternoon till NA sleep time) to fully upgrade any structure before an “attack” actually starts. After that your oceanic/SEA gets to defend as well. Also, PPT-wise speaking, changing maps and taking easier stuffs grants you a win in the tier, not that it’s something I agree to do every time, but it’s nevertheless a good way to get points. Don’t tell me you guys never took anything without resistance.

Oh and, please tell YB that are in PvE to come back next week. +0 during SEA time is not fun at all.

Huge difference between NNK upgrading in complete peace and DB NA queueing their own BL whenever a WPed home keep is threatened, and YB NA trying to upgrade against genuine zergs and trying to defend NNK with about 20 pugs, max. But I wasn’t talking about symmetry at all, I was just pointing out that the structures that DB NA inherits makes them appear much stronger PPT-wise than they really are.

I won’t begrudge anyone “taking easier stuff” when the match outcome is still in doubt, but at this time of week we just want to fight, and its just frustrating to see our opponents intentionally seeking pvdoor. I guess I can understand losing your taste for battle after 10 wipes, but after just 1 or 2? Come on.

WvW is a coverage game, to complain or begrudge a server because they have better coverage is pointless. with that said, DB can use additional NA coverage; I think this point has been made week after week. Although, our NA could use more numbers we are doing a fantastic job keeping yaks from closing the gap during their prime time. Our SEA group is great and deserve a ton of credit for our servers successes.

I’m not complaining about coverage, I am arguing against this strange idea that DB NA is doing a “fantastic job.” You are doing approximately what could be expected given your numbers, ours, the structures you inherit from NNK, and the relative lack of a 3rd server.

It may seem strange to you, but having 200PPT during NA hours is pretty dang good for DB, especially against the zergs YB fields during NA prime. Anyone seen SoS lately?

Haha. DB resets every upgrade during EU and has their own ugpraded T3 keeps with WP for NA. YB has to fight a uphill battle with numbers while SoS has to fight a uphill battle with pugs and pvers with no WvW guilds left. DB is taking easy wins because YB/SoS won’t focus on you ALL the time because you have coverage and thats the way game is meant to be played. Instead YB plays for #2 by resetting SoS’s borderland during NA time. It’s not going to get any more even with Maguma coming around if YB doesn’t change strat.

Okay, so what’s the point. Your entire server is elite? We just win because of our coverage? Point taken. I enjoy winning like this. I bought this game so that I can enjoy my time. I don’t have your skill level, so I hide in zergs to win. Happy? Can we stop moaning now?

Oh, and good luck in T4!

elkirin.8534:

To the actual WvWers;

Thanks for the weeks of fun, I enjoyed many small/medium and large force fights. I hope you all continue to enjoy the game. Good Luck Maguuma, I hope you have fun in Tier 3.

To the forum warriors;

We three servers played for 7th, 8th and 9th place in NA this week. Congrats to DB on winning this tier. Congrats to YB for 2nd in this tier.

See you on the battlefield.

+1. Someone gets it.

I seem to remember YB shutting DB down for the week, a couple months ago….

Wonder what happened since then…

maybe some theory craft gamers could happily explain

No idea eff.

Either way it doesn’t matter. SoS will be leaving T3 for T4 and you folks will get maguuma to deal with.

In any case – the nights I played in WvW these past few sets were exciting and exhilarating. I got to see how good commanding was done, and got to experience how bad I can be at commanding. All in all the back and forth was fun – I picked up a few ideas on what I should be doing in the future, and started developing my own signature commanding style. It was thanks to DB and YB who pressured on us on off hours that got me into commanding. To both of you, my friends, I say good luck.

May I see you again, I vow to be a wiser and forceful commander. Until we see each other on the battlefield.

/Salute /Bow

Okay, so what’s the point. Your entire server is elite? We just win because of our coverage? Point taken. I enjoy winning like this. I bought this game so that I can enjoy my time. I don’t have your skill level, so I hide in zergs to win. Happy? Can we stop moaning now?

Actually, his point was that Yak’s doesn’t go after DB as hard sometimes because of DB’s coverage. Instead they bunker down at times and just go after easier targets (read: usually SoS). I wouldn’t complain about that – as much as I find coverage wars and deliberately ignoring fights in favour of PvDoor distasteful, it is just the nature of the game. However, where they may now struggle in their endeavours is with Maguuma coming back into the tier. The possibility is there that Maguuma are going to be much stronger than Yak’s and at that point, where does Yak’s go with that strategy? Playing for second like that only works if you have a weaker opponent to pick on.

VoxShatterfall.5470:

No idea eff.

Either way it doesn’t matter. SoS will be leaving T3 for T4 and you folks will get maguuma to deal with.

In any case – the nights I played in WvW these past few sets were exciting and exhilarating. I got to see how good commanding was done, and got to experience how bad I can be at commanding. All in all the back and forth was fun – I picked up a few ideas on what I should be doing in the future, and started developing my own signature commanding style. It was thanks to DB and YB who pressured on us on off hours that got me into commanding. To both of you, my friends, I say good luck.

May I see you again, I vow to be a wiser and forceful commander. Until we see each other on the battlefield.

/Salute /Bow

Keep on truckin brother…Good attitudes harvest great things… all in due time…

I’m sure we’ll meet again

Until then, Peace out cubscout

Efface.8460:

I seem to remember YB shutting DB down for the week, a couple months ago….

Wonder what happened since then…

maybe some theory craft gamers could happily explain

I’ve looked back at the matchups on millenium and the only time in the last six months YB and DB were in the same tier and YB beat DB, it was by only 2,200 points and we were both beat by Maguuma. That was back in late December, and based upon the subsequent matchups, YB lost a bunch of players to transfers, and DB gained some.

Since free transfers ended, both DB and YB servers have gained a rank, which is commendable, but fankly most likely due to SoS losing big guilds and moving down. Because Mag and YB swapped between tiers 3 and 4, I’d say those two servers are rather evenly matched. There is a fairly large gap between those servers and DB, and then there is another large gap between DB and both FA and TC.

Assuming we don’t see any large transfers from a tier 1 or tier 2 server, we should expect to see DB stay in tier 3 for a long time, winning consistently thanks to its vast night (SEA?) presence. Mag and YB will be fighting for second place. I seem to recall Mag’s NA presence being quite large, so those two servers will be fighting heavily during that time, with DB doing it’s best to hold on to its upgraded keeps and towers with somewhat but not vastly lower numbers. I can tell you I’m not looking forward to Mag trolls on the matchup forum…it’s hard to stay motivated to keep up when there’s 150 new posts per day, 80% of them Mag.

Who knows what’s going to happen with SoS. How many guilds there, seeing SoS continue to sink, will jump ship? Most likely it will jump to tier 5 or 6. I believe it could easily compete in tier 4 with its current population, but I just don’t think it will keep its current population.

SoS has no more wvw guilds left to lose, only militia and PVE guilds left.

I’m glad DB appreciates NNK, that size force at that time zone isn’t something you normally see outside of T1. It also makes me kind of sad for them that they have never had a good fight with equal numbers and probably never will.

Eviator.9746:

Efface.8460:

I seem to remember YB shutting DB down for the week, a couple months ago….

Wonder what happened since then…

maybe some theory craft gamers could happily explain

…

Who knows what’s going to happen with SoS. How many guilds there, seeing SoS continue to sink, will jump ship? Most likely it will jump to tier 5 or 6. I believe it could easily compete in tier 4 with its current population, but I just don’t think it will keep its current population.

Everyone that was going to leave SoS has left. No other guild will be leaving. SoS will be rebuilding and just needs NA pop to become competitive in T2-3 which is easier to get then oceanics or SEA. So if you a NA guild come to SoS and be part of the comeback.

Gl next week. Lets see who is #2

This has been a fun series of matches. I think that both Yaks and DB have improved quite a bit the past month – thanks in large part to SOS. They brought a lot of interesting tactics, showed good guild discipline, and I’ve seen that rubbing off on the other two servers.

So SOS, good luck going forward with those of you who have stuck it out. Looking forward to meeting you again down the road.

DB, hide the silverware and lock up your jewelry – this neighborhood’s about to take a turn for the worse.

Tsym used to be a DB guild, but when they saw SoS soundly beating us for several weeks in a row they jumped ship to the winning side. So welcome to the club SoS. Tsym doesn’t like losing and whatever server they move to will find this out sooner or later.

That’s not the point of this post, though. I just wanted to come in and out the SoS guild [Leet]. They have been spotted several times now doing something that allows them inside of Stone Mist. Rangers, Warriors and Thieves, among others, suddenly appearing inside walls and doors that are undamaged. And no, it’s not Mesmers hiding inside the castle for several hours.

Ghedoriah.4290:

However, where they may now struggle in their endeavours is with Maguuma coming back into the tier. The possibility is there that Maguuma are going to be much stronger than Yak’s and at that point, where does Yak’s go with that strategy? Playing for second like that only works if you have a weaker opponent to pick on.

Stronger or weaker doesn’t matter, Mag should help balance the tier way better, because the fighting will be more consistent across maps at similar times. Right now we (YB) actually lose structures to PvDoor, not only NA overnight, but because people just get bored defending an empty BL, and leave, even during our high pop times, for often an hour or two. Then DB waits till this happens and map hops and grabs a few things, YB forces come back, DB hops off to another map. Not enough fighting. Chasing tails around.

Pendragon yaks has done the same quite a few times this week. We stop you guys at garri or hills when we can finally get enough numbers to counter yours. You guys leave the map wait for our guys to disperse and come in to take basically undefended keeps. One night I took a break after retaking our map come back to find us outmanned and garri just capped. Thankfully I managed to get the call to another map before you took hills the same way.

Pendragon.8735

Stronger or weaker doesn’t matter, Mag should help balance the tier way better, because the fighting will be more consistent across maps at similar times. Right now we (YB) actually lose structures to PvDoor, not only NA overnight, but because people just get bored defending an empty BL, and leave, even during our high pop times, for often an hour or two. Then DB waits till this happens and map hops and grabs a few things, YB forces come back, DB hops off to another map. Not enough fighting. Chasing tails around.

The lack of waypoints for all three servers on any borderlands map, during much of NA primetime, suggests that all three servers are karma training for that WXP. And really who can blame them? The patch last week incentivized attacking even more, and devalued defending.

This is the way the game is played in T3 with our current WvW population numbers. It isn’t just DB picking up easy undefended points, all three servers are doing it. Heck, when I just logged off moments ago SoS held most of YB’s bl, and YB held most of SoS’s bl.

I cant wait for T4, maybe we will have even pop fights on SEA time.

I’ve seen every excuse and QQ in the book in this thread from YB posters.

- Emotes (really!?)
- Night-capping (Welcome to T3)
- PvDoor (all sides do this – all the time – during every timezone)
- Zerging (it’s WvW after a shiny new patch!!)
- and now map hopping to take PPT advantage (really?!)

Are you guys new to WvW or have you lost your spine? What do you expect in T3+? Only gonna get worse. DB was stuck in this tier with Kain, FA and TC taking turns annihilating us but we knew what to expect and roughed it out.

I honestly can’t wait til Mag comes back, I look forward to more YB poster tears.

Caliburn.1845:

The lack of waypoints for all three servers on any borderlands map, during much of NA primetime, suggests that all three servers are karma training for that WXP. And really who can blame them? The patch last week incentivized attacking even more, and devalued defending.

This is the way the game is played in T3 with our current WvW population numbers. It isn’t just DB picking up easy undefended points, all three servers are doing it. Heck, when I just logged off moments ago SoS held most of YB’s bl, and YB held most of SoS’s bl.

Right, well my hope is that with Mag more or less matching YB in time slot, that will keep people home on both those two borderlands for at least the high pop times of those two servers. DB should as well at least be able to defend their own somewhat. And if there are cross attacks it won’t be either servers entire forces like we kinda have now due to all 3 teams being mismatched in strongest times of day.

NA overnight won’t really change but our players there are used to dealing with the long odds.

When you have three actual teams fielding decent numbers, then WvW works a lot more like its intended, usually you run into someone somewhere, and its less like a big circle run, one following the other recapping the same stuff over and over.

Possible WXP has just caused a karma train mentality all around, that would be hard to understand, I don’t find the rank rewards very appealing at all.

That’s not the point of this post, though. I just wanted to come in and out the SoS guild [Leet]. They have been spotted several times now doing something that allows them inside of Stone Mist. Rangers, Warriors and Thieves, among others, suddenly appearing inside walls and doors that are undamaged. And no, it’s not Mesmers hiding inside the castle for several hours.

If you see one of their members or anyone else doing it again, please get screenshots, footage, etc. and send it ANet’s way. Sea of Sorrows as a world strictly does not condone or tolerate this kind of behaviour, but we also don’t have the power to ban players or otherwise prevent them from playing.

Everyone that was going to leave SoS has left. No other guild will be leaving. SoS will be rebuilding and just needs NA pop to become competitive in T2-3 which is easier to get then oceanics or SEA. So if you a NA guild come to SoS and be part of the comeback.

Gl next week. Lets see who is #2

I’d hesitantly echo this, depending on what happens next week. It seems that a lot of folks are betting on us hitting T6 or 7 (admittedly mostly through wild speculation), but statistically it seems that T4 is going to be about as far as we go. We’re currently operating with basically no dedicated WvW guilds. That is, we’re losing by a margin – but not hideously – in T3 solely on the strength of our PvX guilds and militia. We don’t really have any more to lose and we’re still not losing that badly.

So, what it comes down to is what sort of reception we get in T4 next week. I’m hoping that CD and SBI were having a bit of a meh week in order to get rid of Maguuma. I hope that because I hope it’ll be a good fight against them. If we’re doing any better than just snatching victory, this isn’t going to be much fun in the long run. If that’s the case, then yeah, this may not be the last you hear from us in T3. I’d rather bring in small numbers to help slightly address the coverage gaps we do have and struggle to stay in one tier than just rest on our laurels and steamroll in another.

Ghedoriah.4290:

I’d hesitantly echo this, depending on what happens next week. It seems that a lot of folks are betting on us hitting T6 or 7 (admittedly mostly through wild speculation), but statistically it seems that T4 is going to be about as far as we go. We’re currently operating with basically no dedicated WvW guilds. That is, we’re losing by a margin – but not hideously – in T3 solely on the strength of our PvX guilds and militia. We don’t really have any more to lose and we’re still not losing that badly.

Heya, stepping in here to take a look at a possible future opponent. SoS has actually fared worse against Yaks’ NA than Ehmry has. Going off of that, depending on how big your sea/oceanic presence is, you could end up anywhere from high t6 to low t4. If I were to guess, I would say SoS will mellow out in t5.

After wading through this waist high pile of nonsense. “My server has no Sea people” "We would win If " “A guild left”
Who cares.
See the dot? It’s a period. Not a question mark.
I play when i feel like it, might be at 1am server time or 3pm. Now I can tell you, the afternoon (server time) crews have been not holding their own but taking most things back. The thing you want too look at is the score. See it? There’s your question mark.

Gorefiend.9675:

Ghedoriah.4290:

I’d hesitantly echo this, depending on what happens next week. It seems that a lot of folks are betting on us hitting T6 or 7 (admittedly mostly through wild speculation), but statistically it seems that T4 is going to be about as far as we go. We’re currently operating with basically no dedicated WvW guilds. That is, we’re losing by a margin – but not hideously – in T3 solely on the strength of our PvX guilds and militia. We don’t really have any more to lose and we’re still not losing that badly.

Heya, stepping in here to take a look at a possible future opponent. SoS has actually fared worse against Yaks’ NA than Ehmry has. Going off of that, depending on how big your sea/oceanic presence is, you could end up anywhere from high t6 to low t4. If I were to guess, I would say SoS will mellow out in t5.

We still have one of the largest oceanic profiles of any server so yeah…. I highly doubt we will fall further than t4, like a previous poster said, our strength is based off militia now. you never know I guess.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Gorefiend.9675:

Ghedoriah.4290:

I’d hesitantly echo this, depending on what happens next week. It seems that a lot of folks are betting on us hitting T6 or 7 (admittedly mostly through wild speculation), but statistically it seems that T4 is going to be about as far as we go. We’re currently operating with basically no dedicated WvW guilds. That is, we’re losing by a margin – but not hideously – in T3 solely on the strength of our PvX guilds and militia. We don’t really have any more to lose and we’re still not losing that badly.

Heya, stepping in here to take a look at a possible future opponent. SoS has actually fared worse against Yaks’ NA than Ehmry has. Going off of that, depending on how big your sea/oceanic presence is, you could end up anywhere from high t6 to low t4. If I were to guess, I would say SoS will mellow out in t5.

We still have one of the largest oceanic profiles of any server so yeah…. I highly doubt we will fall further than t4, like a previous poster said, our strength is based off militia now. you never know I guess.

Congratulations! You guys got the most oceanic presence. Keep emphasizing it and make yourself look like a winner.
So, like 99% of the accomplishments are done by oceanic presence right? or did I misread the bazillion posts in this thread? I almost felt really bad for those who have to play NA time in DB.
I hope Maguuma’s got some oceanic presence, otherwise have fun playing with doors^^

Tken.1986:

Tobias Steele.2071:

Gorefiend.9675:

Ghedoriah.4290:

I’d hesitantly echo this, depending on what happens next week. It seems that a lot of folks are betting on us hitting T6 or 7 (admittedly mostly through wild speculation), but statistically it seems that T4 is going to be about as far as we go. We’re currently operating with basically no dedicated WvW guilds. That is, we’re losing by a margin – but not hideously – in T3 solely on the strength of our PvX guilds and militia. We don’t really have any more to lose and we’re still not losing that badly.

Heya, stepping in here to take a look at a possible future opponent. SoS has actually fared worse against Yaks’ NA than Ehmry has. Going off of that, depending on how big your sea/oceanic presence is, you could end up anywhere from high t6 to low t4. If I were to guess, I would say SoS will mellow out in t5.

We still have one of the largest oceanic profiles of any server so yeah…. I highly doubt we will fall further than t4, like a previous poster said, our strength is based off militia now. you never know I guess.

Congratulations! You guys got the most oceanic presence. Keep emphasizing it and make yourself look like a winner.
So, like 99% of the accomplishments are done by oceanic presence right? or did I misread the bazillion posts in this thread? I almost felt really bad for those who have to play NA time in DB.
I hope Maguuma’s got some oceanic presence, otherwise have fun playing with doors^^

Cry more. I was replying to a previous poster. We can’t all have communities that are actually attractive to non na players. If oceanic/SEA had our own region it wouldn’t be a problem but we don’t, so deal with it.

Tken.1986:

Congratulations! You guys got the most oceanic presence. Keep emphasizing it and make yourself look like a winner.
So, like 99% of the accomplishments are done by oceanic presence right? or did I misread the bazillion posts in this thread? I almost felt really bad for those who have to play NA time in DB.
I hope Maguuma’s got some oceanic presence, otherwise have fun playing with doors^^

He’s not DB, lol, read the post please.

That’s not the point of this post, though. I just wanted to come in and out the SoS guild [Leet]. They have been spotted several times now doing something that allows them inside of Stone Mist. Rangers, Warriors and Thieves, among others, suddenly appearing inside walls and doors that are undamaged. And no, it’s not Mesmers hiding inside the castle for several hours.

If you see one of their members or anyone else doing it again, please get screenshots, footage, etc. and send it ANet’s way. Sea of Sorrows as a world strictly does not condone or tolerate this kind of behaviour, but we also don’t have the power to ban players or otherwise prevent them from playing.

Thursday night at 10 pm EST this large group of multiple guilds (majority of the zerg being Leet) used hack to get into Mendes durios and bravos without a single door or wall being knocked down. Only managed to get screen shot of the one mesmer hacking up onto a wall to drop a portal (no not a mesmer who hung arounf after a take). They took those 3 towers in under 5 minutes. I did send the one screen shot to Anet but without name it really does not mean anything . Considering there were other guilds mixed into the hacking zerg, you could probably find out at your end who is doing it

Heya, stepping in here to take a look at a possible future opponent. SoS has actually fared worse against Yaks’ NA than Ehmry has. Going off of that, depending on how big your sea/oceanic presence is, you could end up anywhere from high t6 to low t4. If I were to guess, I would say SoS will mellow out in t5.

Had posted a longer response to this only for it to get chewed up. The upshot of it was essentially that YB is only practically a little stronger than SoS in terms of purely one world versus the other but we lose out somewhat by our stronger period (Oceanic) being overshadowed by extremely strong performances from DB.

There was more to it than that, but really, going just on a statistical point of view, CD and SBI are currently losing to Maguuma (a world which by consensus appears to be weaker than DB) by roughly the same sort of points as we’re sitting on whilst we lose to YB and DB. Obviously there are nuances in coverage, etc. and the devil is always in the detail there, but it would appear on a statistical basis, we would be at least suited to T4, if not likely to pick up some wins there. Of course though, it’s easy to speculate and difficult to say for certain. I guess the best idea is just ask again in 48 hours and see how things have gone.

Thursday night at 10 pm EST this large group of multiple guilds (majority of the zerg being Leet) used hack to get into Mendes durios and bravos without a single door or wall being knocked down. Only managed to get screen shot of the one mesmer hacking up onto a wall to drop a portal (no not a mesmer who hung arounf after a take). They took those 3 towers in under 5 minutes. I did send the one screen shot to Anet but without name it really does not mean anything . Considering there were other guilds mixed into the hacking zerg, you could probably find out at your end who is doing it

I will query it, but I will again caution that in any situation where there are allegations of hacking, if a guild either 1) can’t identify the member or 2) won’t identify the member, any given world doesn’t have the power to do anything other than condemn such actions – not that any world can do much more than that either way.. It is usually hazardous to even throw anything at a particular guild without something concrete after the trouble T1 has highlighted with people spoofing guild names and tags to intentionally cause trouble.

I saw a MERC tag in EB earlier – it kinda made me sad.

I can’t wait to fight YB again. <3

Ghedoriah.4290:

Thursday night at 10 pm EST this large group of multiple guilds (majority of the zerg being Leet) used hack to get into Mendes durios and bravos without a single door or wall being knocked down. Only managed to get screen shot of the one mesmer hacking up onto a wall to drop a portal (no not a mesmer who hung arounf after a take). They took those 3 towers in under 5 minutes. I did send the one screen shot to Anet but without name it really does not mean anything . Considering there were other guilds mixed into the hacking zerg, you could probably find out at your end who is doing it

I will query it, but I will again caution that in any situation where there are allegations of hacking, if a guild either 1) can’t identify the member or 2) won’t identify the member, any given world doesn’t have the power to do anything other than condemn such actions – not that any world can do much more than that either way.. It is usually hazardous to even throw anything at a particular guild without something concrete after the trouble T1 has highlighted with people spoofing guild names and tags to intentionally cause trouble.

Totally agree. Nothing we can do to report to Anet directly unfortunately since can’t see names and there are no in game GMs. Self policing is all we can do, and hope some members will step forward, but Thx

Good luck SoS. I hope you guys bounce back. Maybe history will repeat itself. Take heart from the DB evolution chart (below) after similar mass exodus a few months back:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/evolution/na

Hope to see you bounce back and meet us again in this tier to vie for 7th place

I expect SoS to do well in T4. They may even be the server to beat. SoS will have the strongest Oceanic presence but how big an impact they have will depend on when CD’s SEA crew log in. The last time we (YB) faced SBI they were a very demoralized server but the scores seem to indicate that they have really gotten their act together since then. SoS/CD/SBI could be a very interesting & close match.

As for T3, I hope it doesn’t deteriorate into a pointless fight for second between Mag & YB. NA hours should be very busy & I would like to see DB’s Dolyaks become an endangered species during SEA hours (killing dolyaks really is the best way for small numbers to make a difference).