Guild Wars 2

Hey, uh, NSP? Can we possibly NOT cause any more forum drama? Didn’t we get enough of that crap back in t6 with AR/BP? Come on now. I really enjoy the new rivalry with GoM and HoD, why do we have to start pulling this crap again? Let’s just keep things clean on all sides and just enjoy the match. We do NOT need this to devolve to the level the t6 forums were at. Let’s have some class, guys.

Don’t worry it’s ARs fault for everything, has nothing to do with GOM or HOD so we can get back to killing and blame AR for anything that goes wrong

The reality here is that WvW is a simulation of war. And unfortunately, throughout history, spying and sabotage has always been a factor in war. I think it’s pretty clear based on the recent events that NSP (of which I’m a proud member) probably has both spies and saboteurs in our midst attempting to undermine us. This trick of using up all the supply in SM on useless and clustered siege is not new. I remember when it happened while we were playing AR. It’s either a tactic used by the other side who have a friend or two on our server, or it’s simply a member of our server who wants to sabotage our competitive play for personal, vindictive reasons. I recall one player on our server who would log on while we played WvW and spam our chat with insults and detractions because he perceived he had been snubbed by our commanders.

The vast majority of NSP are good , honest players who wouldn’t spy or sabotage on their own server. Just as the vast majority of GoM and HoD are good, decent players who just want a a fair fight. But it doesn’t change the fact that we have a problem.

So how has spying and sabotage been delt with by armies throughout history? Wild accusations or pleading with the other servers to fight fair won’t change anything. The good players on GoM and HoD will just be offended, and rightfully so. Instead we need to start employing counter insurgency and counter espionage methods to catch the bad apples in our midst. Here are a few suggestions:

1. Communicating in code. Codes have helped keep intel out of the hands of spies for years. A simple substitution code developed offline and used in combat chat that only the NSP commanders know would be very effective. The code would refer to where we are headed on the map. Only our commanders would know the destination they are leading their zergs. This would prevent spying about where we are attacking.

2. Guarding supply. If we take SM, we station a rotating system of guards to watch the supply and see who’s using it when. If a player is spotted wasting siege, that player’s identity is recorded, reported, and ostracized.

3. Counter-intel. Get the other commanders on other servers who want a fair fight to agree to stay vigilant and report any suspicious behavior in their ranks to NSP.

4. New tricks. Distractions and odd behavior on NSP’s part can help throw off a spy or saboteur’s plots. Red herrings. Announcing very vocally what our plans are on team chat, then secretly doing the opposite.

Obviously I don’t want to post too many suggestions here because some will need to be covert, but I think if we pull together we can prevent or at least weed out some of this behavior.

pita spoon.5708:

@anthsss… so you think that these gliches only affected NSP and HoD.. and you think that only because GoM won ( as if there is some rule book out there that states GoM cant win unless cheating occurs )

Well you see there, the thing is BOTH times this happened. The WHOLE wvw world ended up blue for hours. I’m not sayin GOM cheated or caused it, I’m just pointing out that it was a major part of the reason you caught up in score.

Oh btw about the spy thing. I DOUBT it was anyone from HOD or GOM. NSP has it’s own large share of moronic trolls for one, secondly if it was anyone from another server it would be AR lol.. But my money is on trolls from our own server.

anthsss.1564:

Does all of GoM cheat, or is it just the overnight/early morning crew that specializes in exploiting and espionage? Last week you somehow were able to connect while HoD and NSP couldn’t, so you could flip everybody’s towers and keeps, and today you guys max out our keep with useless siege and suicide our golems?

I would take AR over GoM any day, and we all know how much I don’t like AR, but this is absolutely disgusting and pitiful. Play the game the way it’s supposed to be played, if you feel that cheating is the only way to win, then you should really just stop playing altogether.

Arenanet you should put in a report feature for cheating so that we can at least report the people who we see sabotaging our server. You should also check into whatever happened two times last week that only allowed GoM to connect to a map.

Since I spend an average of 15 hours a day in game, and considering I have been ingame for 75 of the last 88 hours. Most of which has been spent in WvW I have no idea what you happen to be referring to in regards to GoM exploiting or cheating. All servers had login issues the night before the reset, and since reset I have had no problems other then being kicked from server due to connection issues twice. Now as far a espionage goes thats simply a part of war. Not all battles are won by large armies. When you only have a hand full of folks you must learn to either adapt & overcome, or you end up whimpering in a corner like a lost pup. Tactics is simply the key. It would be great if all the little roaming groups each server has running around would actualy cordinate or even communicate with the active groups, but doubtful that will ever happen. Personaly I tend to be on defense duty, but when I do go hunting I prefer running solo or with no more then 2 others. I also tend to turn off all my chat filters so I can focus on the hunt. Anyway back to the point I was wanting to say. In the 5 months and 1759 hours of playing GW2 I have only personally witnessed people using only 1 exploit (the invulnerabilty area at ssome camps) which has been fixed I think. and even then that was over a month ago. As a server GoM takes great pride in our ability to overcome the odds, and adapting to the situations at hand. Now that all the server jumping, mindless idiots are gone, our diehard loyal players are able to pull together and begin to shine. No cheating, exploiting or hacking involved.

Okay, the keep wasting siege mystery has been solved. The NSP server has the person who did it and apparently it was a mistake and they’re very sorry and remorseful. It was a misguided but well-intentioned new player unfamiliar with how WvW works. They wanted to “pimp out” the keep to make it look cool and didn’t realize that putting up siege would waste the supply. So looks like GoM is off the hook for that. Golem suiciding and spies leaking intel still needs to be addressed and we still need to make sure sabatours and other disreputable types don’t ruin the matches but I think we can lay that mystery to rest and focus on the good fight ahead.

dunnberry.2964:

Guys guys guys!!! We discovered in guild chat who is obviously at fault for all the siege in the keep, it’s sooooooooo obvious I don’t know how none of us realized this before, it’s…Anvil Rock!!!!!

Wait, wait, wait. Is this real? How confirmed is this? What happened in T6?

Quite curious now.

Victoitor.2917:

dunnberry.2964:

Guys guys guys!!! We discovered in guild chat who is obviously at fault for all the siege in the keep, it’s sooooooooo obvious I don’t know how none of us realized this before, it’s…Anvil Rock!!!!!

Wait, wait, wait. Is this real? How confirmed is this? What happened in T6?

Quite curious now.

No, no. Just a joke. See my post above.

On a completely different subject, did anyone else notice the scores in T5? It’s so close. Wonder if this will keep up until the end of the week. I miss the days before the mass transfers when T7 was like that. In the transfers before they bacame paid, HoD was a bit left out.

Entropy.4732:

Victoitor.2917:

dunnberry.2964:

Guys guys guys!!! We discovered in guild chat who is obviously at fault for all the siege in the keep, it’s sooooooooo obvious I don’t know how none of us realized this before, it’s…Anvil Rock!!!!!

Wait, wait, wait. Is this real? How confirmed is this? What happened in T6?

Quite curious now.

No, no. Just a joke. See my post above.

:-/

But what happened in T6? I keep hearing about things that happened there. What was it? I knew about the week you guys took off. But there seems to be something else. Spill the beans.

dank.3680:

pita spoon.5708:

@anthsss… so you think that these gliches only affected NSP and HoD.. and you think that only because GoM won ( as if there is some rule book out there that states GoM cant win unless cheating occurs )

Well you see there, the thing is BOTH times this happened. The WHOLE wvw world ended up blue for hours. I’m not sayin GOM cheated or caused it, I’m just pointing out that it was a major part of the reason you caught up in score.

Oh btw about the spy thing. I DOUBT it was anyone from HOD or GOM. NSP has it’s own large share of moronic trolls for one, secondly if it was anyone from another server it would be AR lol.. But my money is on trolls from our own server.

i apologize for my rant.. it was nothing that you said but everything that anthsss stated.. look at the beginning of his question.. “Does all of gom cheat…” as well as " or just the overnight/early morning crew…" as well as all the other statements down to the last one.. " dont mistake your win for skill.." almost sounding like he is stating GoM has no skill..

imagine everything he stated but it was someone else referring to NSP.. what would you do.. if not you im pretty sure there would be someone that would do the same as me..

as for the connections issues every server had them.. im not saying that GoM was not able to benefit from it but we dont really know.. ive asked around in GoM about our lead and was told that NSP servers morale has been broken as well as we had new pve’ers come to wvw for map completion and when they came they actually liked it and alot stayed which i am glad to hear..

so hopefully we have a clean week of wvw to find out..

and i mean no disrespect.. i like NSP.. you guys have good fighters on your end. i just get irritated when my whole server gets called out.

pita spoon.5708:

dank.3680:

pita spoon.5708:

@anthsss… so you think that these gliches only affected NSP and HoD.. and you think that only because GoM won ( as if there is some rule book out there that states GoM cant win unless cheating occurs )

Well you see there, the thing is BOTH times this happened. The WHOLE wvw world ended up blue for hours. I’m not sayin GOM cheated or caused it, I’m just pointing out that it was a major part of the reason you caught up in score.

Oh btw about the spy thing. I DOUBT it was anyone from HOD or GOM. NSP has it’s own large share of moronic trolls for one, secondly if it was anyone from another server it would be AR lol.. But my money is on trolls from our own server.

i apologize for my rant.. it was nothing that you said but everything that anthsss stated.. look at the beginning of his question.. “Does all of gom cheat…” as well as " or just the overnight/early morning crew…" as well as all the other statements down to the last one.. " dont mistake your win for skill.." almost sounding like he is stating GoM has no skill..

imagine everything he stated but it was someone else referring to NSP.. what would you do.. if not you im pretty sure there would be someone that would do the same as me..

as for the connections issues every server had them.. im not saying that GoM was not able to benefit from it but we dont really know.. ive asked around in GoM about our lead and was told that NSP servers morale has been broken as well as we had new pve’ers come to wvw for map completion and when they came they actually liked it and alot stayed which i am glad to hear..

so hopefully we have a clean week of wvw to find out..

and i mean no disrespect.. i like NSP.. you guys have good fighters on your end. i just get irritated when my whole server gets called out.

We wouldn’t get mad because NSP doesn’t cheat

If you say my statement was false, then why did you get so defensive over it?

Also, how in the world would our morale be broken? We couldn’t connect until around 9am EST, and it was only on certain maps. We could go into EB, but we couldn’t get into NSP BL until GoM had taken everything.

Fair enough, apology accepted and some good bit of respect gained back for GOM, look forward to the fights all!

Entropy.4732:

Okay, the keep wasting siege mystery has been solved. The NSP server has the person who did it and apparently it was a mistake and they’re very sorry and remorseful. It was a misguided but well-intentioned new player unfamiliar with how WvW works. They wanted to “pimp out” the keep to make it look cool and didn’t realize that putting up siege would waste the supply. So looks like GoM is off the hook for that. Golem suiciding and spies leaking intel still needs to be addressed and we still need to make sure sabatours and other disreputable types don’t ruin the matches but I think we can lay that mystery to rest and focus on the good fight ahead.

That explains the “pimped out keep” but what about the golem saboteurs?

Guys this is a match up thread not a therapy session, quit the crying and game on, more SS seriously im getting bored reading this now.

anthsss.1564:

We wouldn’t get mad because NSP doesn’t cheat

If you say my statement was false, then why did you get so defensive over it?

Also, how in the world would our morale be broken? We couldn’t connect until around 9am EST, and it was only on certain maps. We could go into EB, but we couldn’t get into NSP BL until GoM had taken everything.

so once again.. are you stating that gom does cheat?

also every server has someone that uses exploits.. it happens all we can do is report them..

GoM server has already endured enough fallout due to hacks and exploits.. our wvw guilds that have stuck around and new ones created have worked hard to bring GoM out of the depths and to be a more respectful and fair playing server.. so yeah.. i will stand up and defend the honor of all those that have stuck around and endured and transformed GoM..

and its not impossible for morale of your server to be broken due to the inability to connect.. it does happen.. that maybe some have decided to just engage in combat and wait til reset to start over again..

Sororita.3465:

Guys this is a match up thread not a therapy session, quit the crying and game on, more SS seriously im getting bored reading this now.

your right.. thnx.. ill ignore the crap..

No it’s not just a joke it was all AR that did everything 100% uncomfiremeD possible fact

Rocking a new mystic rifle, if you would now open your note-books to page 1 and note the difference in our sexiness, mine being greater of course, we can continue.

I like turtle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sororita.3465:

Rocking a new mystic rifle, if you would now open your note-books to page 1 and note the difference in our sexiness, mine being greater of course, we can continue.

dem thigh wraps

Jace.6973:

I really do enjoy being double teamed in EB. It really allows for us to test our skill against you guys.

sorry but ….with your numbers…
this reply deserves nothing but a
umad?

dear fellow NSP players, stop making kitten of yourselves blaming everything under the sun last week is over focus on now

Stopped 8 assaults from HoD and 7 from NSP, got 190 kills more or less within the hunt time which lasted 4 hours. didnt repair the gear once. epic bloody slaughter we had.

That is what we care about, epic zerg battles, not some cheats and bugs or glitches thingy that I don’t even know what they are and careless about it, so as my guild. everything we do, all the planning is aiming to get the biggest battles possible, and create the largest slaughter Zerg vs Zerg. and our tactics is simple, take enemies head on, everyone who fought us or sided with us HH can prove that.

So, why will we use bugs or whatever to “win” To us HH winning means crushing overwhelming enemies. I’m sure that whoever glitched that day and had the tag HH with him are new to WvW. he get confused to what happened and so are we all. simple as that

Prime of HH

Don’t know who the three were from NSP camping the Arena in the EB jp earlier this afternoon, but I wanted to thank you.

Because it was fun as all hell to kill the three of you almost single-handedly by out-playing you all. Also got me some mad respect from the other people present.

the amazing race.. i should have taken pics at the beginning but didn’t really think about it..

but i started at titan and when i saw a defender i took off knowing more were to come.. got outside and turned around to see they were still chasing me and more did show up..

a few times it seemed you guys almost had me.. but i got away.. fun race though..

the map pics are just to show my trail.. man you guys are really persistant and you never give up..

Just a word of advice to any who may be new to anthsss antics. He is like the nsp version of A R M D. Only on the forums.

To the NSP who came in and ruined our fight club tonight, shame on you. Gotta be pricks about everything. Note that I am condemning those certain individuals, not NSP as a whole.

1.Whats the big rush to get over the bridge, slow it down, one of you may fall off.
2. Kept you guys out for a while but you guys kept on coming,
3. Did you know you could build cannons where ever you wanted?
4. Did you guys pull from other maps just for lil olde us? you shouldnt have =D
5. No really you should have, how many of you guys >.> 4 catas down and the 5th was being perma siege blocked.
6. Decided to do a dungeon, red circles everywhere

Had a decent little fight club going on until some NSP decided to wreck it. Fun while it lasted, though. Let’s host the next one at Lowlands Keep.

pita spoon.5708:

the amazing race.. i should have taken pics at the beginning but didn’t really think about it..

but i started at titan and when i saw a defender i took off knowing more were to come.. got outside and turned around to see they were still chasing me and more did show up..

a few times it seemed you guys almost had me.. but i got away.. fun race though..

the map pics are just to show my trail.. man you guys are really persistant and you never give up..

cool! I was one of the chasers (necro).. can only see part of my guild tag in one pic

that was a fun chase.. after realizing we couldn’t get you we figured we should “punish” you by forcing you to start all over at your keep — and it was safe for us since the whole BL was green!

At one point there was a small glimmer of hope we could get you, but no such luck…
Next time!

JKFlipFlop.7123:

Better yet, let’s host the next one in NSP Garr, NSP not welcome.

Don’t think this is the best way to proceed. I was there only to watch. It seemed to me that most of the NSP present were honoring the spirit of the event.

Scarecrow.5792:

Most fun I’ve had in a while today defending in GoM borderlands, NSP kicking it off with some large threats on our south, HoD then hit both hills (Successfully) and bay at the same time. Best fights were inside bay, so many times did we push you guys out, only to have you come back and continue an assault on inner! It got even better when we finally pushed HoD out only to find that NSP had come in through the opening and assault the inner from the north gate! All was thought to be lost when the gate came down but we gathered inside the lords room, no siege, no preparation and managed to hold!

Good efforts from both servers! Keep up these good fights!

Aww I missed that Would have loved to be in the Frey for that one but alas, RL issues come first xD When I did get on WvW today things were kinda heated at the get go in GoM Borderlands with a smaller HoD crew knocking on our garrison water gate after capping stargrove. Thankfully we responded quick enough to that and got them at the inner gate. Afterwards it was a wild goose chase as they started tagging everything. Thankfully as most of us were nearby our hills keep that seemed to be the next main point of attack. After blowing off the lone invader at the ninja wall we had a breakout at the briar side which was pretty well stuffed, tho I did start to worry when they started killing everyone siegerazer pulled… Still great night and hope to have some more exciting battles with NSP and HoD! Keep the forums awesome and the fights in game even more so!

Sororita.3465:

1.Whats the big rush to get over the bridge, slow it down, one of you may fall off.
2. Kept you guys out for a while but you guys kept on coming,
3. Did you know you could build cannons where ever you wanted?
4. Did you guys pull from other maps just for lil olde us? you shouldnt have =D
5. No really you should have, how many of you guys >.> 4 catas down and the 5th was being perma siege blocked.
6. Decided to do a dungeon, red circles everywhere

Hey man I was the commander for #1, #2. [MoB] had a blast fighting against you guys it was a really fun battle we had goin on there.

Entropy.4732:

Okay, the keep wasting siege mystery has been solved. The NSP server has the person who did it and apparently it was a mistake and they’re very sorry and remorseful. It was a misguided but well-intentioned new player unfamiliar with how WvW works. They wanted to “pimp out” the keep to make it look cool and didn’t realize that putting up siege would waste the supply. So looks like GoM is off the hook for that. Golem suiciding and spies leaking intel still needs to be addressed and we still need to make sure sabatours and other disreputable types don’t ruin the matches but I think we can lay that mystery to rest and focus on the good fight ahead.

So you are saying, proud member of NSP without forum tag detailing your server and guild, is that there is a person who had 20+ gold worth of siege to spare, time to build it all, unfamiliar with WvW player who knew that you could only build 5 pieces of siege in a certain amount of space did not know about the 55 siege cap limit?

Makes sense.

Let’s tear this apart point by point.

“New Player”-

-Can afford siege.
-Must have paid with gold, not enough time spent in WvW to acquire badges.
-Knew about 5 pieces per space BEFORE he began placing them.
-Not a part of a large guild.
-Pug must care A LOT about NSP, yet has not come forward to physically say sorry

“You”
-“Proud member of NSP”
-No guild tag in your comment
-No NSP tag in your comment
-Have not posted often before this incident

I don’t think this has quite been put to rest when you look at the facts.

Not to mention, this massive amount of siege has been here since last night. Someone is actively tapping it, all of it.

let us never forget the dedicated trebbing that lead to lotb’s glorious 10 minutes of sm :P

behold the almost entirety of our guild and fear, PRAISE TO THEE O’MIGHTY BEAVER OF RANCID COLOR COORDINATION

Snakeeeeee.2086:

let us never forget the dedicated trebbing that lead to lotb’s glorious 10 minutes of sm :P

behold the almost entirety of our guild and fear, PRAISE TO THEE O’MIGHTY BEAVER OF RANCID COLOR COORDINATION

Ive always said there aren’t enough beaver shots on the web.

Lord Kuru.3685:

pita spoon.5708:

the amazing race.. i should have taken pics at the beginning but didn’t really think about it..

but i started at titan and when i saw a defender i took off knowing more were to come.. got outside and turned around to see they were still chasing me and more did show up..

a few times it seemed you guys almost had me.. but i got away.. fun race though..

the map pics are just to show my trail.. man you guys are really persistant and you never give up..

cool! I was one of the chasers (necro).. can only see part of my guild tag in one pic

that was a fun chase.. after realizing we couldn’t get you we figured we should “punish” you by forcing you to start all over at your keep — and it was safe for us since the whole BL was green!

At one point there was a small glimmer of hope we could get you, but no such luck…
Next time!

Doh!! i gotta learn to take better pics for ya.. you were the first one i saw at the camp i believe..

and yeah there were a few times i thought you guys had me but luckily (VERY ) my utilities were recharged or my escapes were recharged and i was able to weasle by way out.. luck was on my side all the way..

JKFlipFlop.7123:

To the NSP who came in and ruined our fight club tonight, shame on you. Gotta be pricks about everything. Note that I am condemning those certain individuals, not NSP as a whole.

LOL what guild was it? Those are my kinda guys. Cheers boys kill some carebears!

I dont know the reason you guys from PAXA moved server… hope you guys having fun?

trying to get castle n stuff :p

Aeolus.3615:

I dont know the reason you guys from PAXA moved server… hope you guys having fun?

trying to get castle n stuff :p

For kills man, Kills

Edit: NSP has more small man action than any server we have faced. We want small man fights…thus the move

Jscull.2514:

JKFlipFlop.7123:

To the NSP who came in and ruined our fight club tonight, shame on you. Gotta be pricks about everything. Note that I am condemning those certain individuals, not NSP as a whole.

LOL what guild was it? Those are my kinda guys. Cheers boys kill some carebears!

T_T
Why the hate?

Toble.2968:

So you are saying, proud member of NSP without forum tag detailing your server and guild, is that there is a person who had 20+ gold worth of siege to spare, time to build it all, unfamiliar with WvW player who knew that you could only build 5 pieces of siege in a certain amount of space did not know about the 55 siege cap limit?

Makes sense.

Let’s tear this apart point by point.

“New Player”-

-Can afford siege.
-Must have paid with gold, not enough time spent in WvW to acquire badges.
-Knew about 5 pieces per space BEFORE he began placing them.
-Not a part of a large guild.
-Pug must care A LOT about NSP, yet has not come forward to physically say sorry

“You”
-“Proud member of NSP”
-No guild tag in your comment
-No NSP tag in your comment
-Have not posted often before this incident

I don’t think this has quite been put to rest when you look at the facts.

Not to mention, this massive amount of siege has been here since last night. Someone is actively tapping it, all of it.

Well they’re right. I’m not going to name names, but I know exactly who did it, and it was just a well-intentioned NSP player. I wouldn’t call them a WvW noob, but not knowing about the siege cap is probably more common than actually knowing about it. Honestly, if more than 30% of the WvW players at any given time are aware of the cap, I’d be shocked.

I don’t have an NSP or guild tag on my account either, are you going to try attack me and claim I’m some imposter too? Have fun trying to claim you’ve looked through my post history and that somehow proves something.

As for your New Player “facts,” well:

“-Can afford siege.
-Must have paid with gold, not enough time spent in WvW to acquire badges.”

A huge number of non-WvW players have significant amounts of siege from completing the jumping puzzle for badges. While these facts might make things slightly less likely (and remember, I pointed out this wasn’t a strictly “new” player, just an uninformed one) it doesn’t even make it unlikely much less impossible.

“-Knew about 5 pieces per space BEFORE he began placing them. "

Don’t know where you would possibly get this idea. If you go look at the placement (namely the ballista on the back of the keep) it’s pretty obvious this isn’t true.

“-Not a part of a large guild.”

Another completely fabricated point with absolutely no logic backing it.

“-Pug must care A LOT about NSP, yet has not come forward to physically say sorry”

The person has come forward, that’s how a number of us know about them. No, they didn’t come out on the forum and reveal who they are and your post is a fantastic case study in why. It’s all but guaranteed kitten like you will immediately and continuously harass this person in game for a little mistake they made. Yeah, they kittened up, and feel bad about it. They’ve apologized to people who matter, and some of those people have relayed that to the rest of the server. There’s absolutely nothing that can be gained by them coming here and revealing to everyone what their account name is, and there’s plenty to be lost. It’s a game, get over it.

“Not to mention, this massive amount of siege has been here since last night. Someone is actively tapping it, all of it.”

Anyone who has played more than 20 minutes of WvW knows this isn’t true. Have you even played this game? I mean seriously? Looks like you know even less than this person about how siege in this game works in relation to cap, spawn limits, and despawn behavior. It’s a known issue that only certain types of siege always despawn, and other types of siege will despawn under certain conditions but not under others (placed on a wall versus placed on the ground, etc). In addition to this, it’s essentially habit for many WvW veterans to touch every single siege weapon they pass. With the siege in question all being in the highest traffic area for NSP on the entire map, you better believe there’s a lot of people refreshing the siege.

Finally, the siege cap that you tried to claim so much about isn’t 55 units. God only knows how you decided to fabricate that number. According to Mike Ferguson:

MikeFerguson

There is also a hard limit to how many weapons can be placed on the map. This map limit is a bit harder to explain as it is based on some internal concepts that don’t translate well to laymans terms, but basically anything that is not a ram counts towards one ‘limit’ for the purpose of this explanation and each team can have up to 100 of these types of weapons out at any time per map. Each team can also have up to 100 rams placed on a map.

So no, there isn’t a “55 siege cap limit.”

Jscull.2514:

Aeolus.3615:

I dont know the reason you guys from PAXA moved server… hope you guys having fun?

trying to get castle n stuff :p

For kills man, Kills

Edit: NSP has more small man action than any server we have faced. We want small man fights…thus the move

not polite man!

have fun

It’s been pretty crazy checking the scores while mucking around in PvE this weekend. Seems like every 15 minutes the ticking leader changes!

Syeria.4812:

Well they’re right. I’m not going to name names, but I know exactly who did it, and it was just a well-intentioned NSP player. I wouldn’t call them a WvW noob, but not knowing about the siege cap is probably more common than actually knowing about it. Honestly, if more than 30% of the WvW players at any given time are aware of the cap, I’d be shocked.

I don’t have an NSP or guild tag on my account either, are you going to try attack me and claim I’m some imposter too? Have fun trying to claim you’ve looked through my post history and that somehow proves something.

As for your New Player “facts,” well:

“-Can afford siege.
-Must have paid with gold, not enough time spent in WvW to acquire badges.”

A huge number of non-WvW players have significant amounts of siege from completing the jumping puzzle for badges. While these facts might make things slightly less likely (and remember, I pointed out this wasn’t a strictly “new” player, just an uninformed one) it doesn’t even make it unlikely much less impossible.

“-Knew about 5 pieces per space BEFORE he began placing them. "

Don’t know where you would possibly get this idea. If you go look at the placement (namely the ballista on the back of the keep) it’s pretty obvious this isn’t true.

“-Not a part of a large guild.”

Another completely fabricated point with absolutely no logic backing it.

“-Pug must care A LOT about NSP, yet has not come forward to physically say sorry”

The person has come forward, that’s how a number of us know about them. No, they didn’t come out on the forum and reveal who they are and your post is a fantastic case study in why. It’s all but guaranteed kitten like you will immediately and continuously harass this person in game for a little mistake they made. Yeah, they kittened up, and feel bad about it. They’ve apologized to people who matter, and some of those people have relayed that to the rest of the server. There’s absolutely nothing that can be gained by them coming here and revealing to everyone what their account name is, and there’s plenty to be lost. It’s a game, get over it.

“Not to mention, this massive amount of siege has been here since last night. Someone is actively tapping it, all of it.”

Anyone who has played more than 20 minutes of WvW knows this isn’t true. Have you even played this game? I mean seriously? Looks like you know even less than this person about how siege in this game works in relation to cap, spawn limits, and despawn behavior. It’s a known issue that only certain types of siege always despawn, and other types of siege will despawn under certain conditions but not under others (placed on a wall versus placed on the ground, etc). In addition to this, it’s essentially habit for many WvW veterans to touch every single siege weapon they pass. With the siege in question all being in the highest traffic area for NSP on the entire map, you better believe there’s a lot of people refreshing the siege.

Finally, the siege cap that you tried to claim so much about isn’t 55 units. God only knows how you decided to fabricate that number. According to Mike Ferguson:

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There is also a hard limit to how many weapons can be placed on the map. This map limit is a bit harder to explain as it is based on some internal concepts that don’t translate well to laymans terms, but basically anything that is not a ram counts towards one ‘limit’ for the purpose of this explanation and each team can have up to 100 of these types of weapons out at any time per map. Each team can also have up to 100 rams placed on a map.

So no, there isn’t a “55 siege cap limit.”

Doesn’t know about 5 pieces of siege per certain amount of area yet places all siege in clusters of 5 very tightly.

Keep trying to debunk it.

Also, if you ran the JP’s for achievements, you would be running 4 total. That is 2 pieces of siege per which is 8 pieces.

So you are saying this person does WvW jumping puzzles for fun without actually caring about WvW well over 15 times extra. (Given the amount of golems and trebs and rams he must have gotten)

Keep going. I like this story. It’s quite out there.

I’m willing to believe that someone initially put down too much siege trying to be helpful. However, a helpful person would not have put down stacks of one type of siege, which is what we had last night.

I’ve done the jumping puzzles a couple of times, and have gotten a variety of siege plans, but even if you used a statistically unlikely figure, like assuming you get 1 ballista every single time you complete each of the four puzzles; it would take 10 days of puzzle completion to get as many ballistas as were placed in the keep, in areas where they would not be useful.

While I absolutely believe that there is a character who may have “over-decorated” the keep without realizing the cap, (I didn’t know about the cap until the last couple of days), I do not believe that person is the person responsible for the ballista stacking we’re seeing currently.

Whomever is doing the ballista stacking is doing it deliberately.

On another topic; good fights last night, everyone. I got squashed in a HoD/GoM sandwich; and provided many tokens with my willingness to keep dying in the line of battle. I appreciate those of you who were kind enough to die before you could kill me, your sacrifice did not go unremarked. (Mostly the remark was “Holy mother of all things surprising, how did I live through that?”)

Good fun gang, thanks!

The ballista stacking is not the same person and we are unsure of who it is, the person who made the mistake was on Friday and Friday alone and as stated he has apologized and felt bad to the whole server…so can we please be adults and drop that subject

Just took HoD’s Hills from Nsp with a 5 man team, then pushed out like 15 HoD with a golem trying to take it back lol