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Let’s just ignore the SBI match up because it’s about the same and they are on the rise from an influx of players anyways. However, I find it really stupid how big of a difference there is between the top 3 servers and the next 2 and then the next one after that. As an FA player I AM NOT looking forward to 7 weeks in a row of a guaranteed loss because our server has no population compared to the top 3. Either change it back to two leagues, or put the top 3 servers into their own league, otherwise it’s just going to be stupid for the T2 servers all 7 weeks in a row.

Everyone wanted to move to T1 and this is what we got out of it. Currently, it’s a good move because T1 pretty much is always matched up with T1 so you’re pretty much always getting competitive fights.

But with the leagues coming, T1 will be guaranteed to match up with T2 more often, resulting in many unfun blowouts. Hopefully, this will persuade people to move to other tiers. (On the other hand, this could just kill WvW altogether!)

We’ll see!

Well, it will be interesting to see if ANET figures this out and puts T1 in its own league. No server 4 to whatever can compete with 1-3.

As it stands now, it is going to be a boring 7 weeks for 4-6. There will be some decent fights here and there, but for the most part, it will be a blowout.

ANET would also be really smart to move T1 into their own league. Let’s be honest. The whole point of the league is to get PvE types to try WvW. If the matchups are not fun, they won’t come back.

It would be interesting to see if its based off a combined match up results. So lets say 4-6 fought 5 items and 5 won all matches, then 5 played 1,2 once and lost to 2, and 3 and 5 and won.

6 wins, 1 loss

Meanwhile 1,2,3 played 5 weeks sharing the wins

1 got 2, 2got 2, and 3 got 1. Then 2 won versus 1 and 5, and won against 4 and 6,

2 got 4 wins. and finished behind the 5th ranked server.

Won’t happen, but it would make people rethink where they should play

style.6173:

Well, it will be interesting to see if ANET figures this out and puts T1 in its own league. No server 4 to whatever can compete with 1-3.

As it stands now, it is going to be a boring 7 weeks for 4-6. There will be some decent fights here and there, but for the most part, it will be a blowout.

ANET would also be really smart to move T1 into their own league. Let’s be honest. The whole point of the league is to get PvE types to try WvW. If the matchups are not fun, they won’t come back.

If they make T1 into its own league, then guilds will continue moving to T1 from the lower tiers. If enough core guilds leave a server, disorganized pugs will be all that’s left. That greatly diminishes the fun of WvW in the lower tiers. If enough people from the lower tiers quit WvW, there probably isn’t enough people in kitten justify Anet even supporting the game mode at all.

well if we could at least play during those 7 weeks, but the t1 servers are so overwhelming that during sea u get spawn camped on each bl….. if we really have to fight t1 for 7 week, we will have to get like 10 more guilds at least and i really dont want fa to become a bandwagon server ever.
we all like fights and a good fight is actually more important than ppt. we have amazing guilds and that will never change, but fighting t1 is plain boring. u get a few things and get somewhat agood ppt during na, then their monsterbolbs log on and zerg everthing and for the rest of the night they will spawncamp u. they are so desperate to find a fight that they chase 1 person though the entire map with the entire zerg….o.0 woah t1 must be really really really boring.
so for everyone considering gold league t1 is not the place to be as most of the matchups are gonna be like the current jq/fa/sos matchup. u guys aare probably gonna be stuck in queue while we fight hard everyday and get our achievements done in a few day due to lack of sleep and lots of effort. and some people probably wont be able to play a lot as the moment there is achievements, there will be pve players flooding in in hope to get a piece of the cake.
the moment this happens u guys will be stuck ina an endless queue.

If you don’t even want to test your skill and try to win against higher tiered servers I don’t know what to say…

Gab Superstar.4059:

If you don’t even want to test your skill and try to win against higher tiered servers I don’t know what to say…

There is nothing about skill here. It’s facing a server with A LOT more people than you 7 weeks in a row that is very very dull.

Gab Superstar.4059:

If you don’t even want to test your skill and try to win against higher tiered servers I don’t know what to say…

erm dont know if u get the whole thing here do u? seems like u dont know anything at all actually.
dont u think all of us havent tried our skill vs a higher tiered servers? this is week 3 vs t1 servers for FA go check the score.
we all fight. we kitten siege capped 1 tower we took yesterday and the t1 server kept throwing 60 + people on it, built omega golems, trebs and more golems and then took it with the entire zerg after getting our siege down.
believe me sos and fa are trying our best and it is impossible to even get fun out of this as all u see is giant blobs that rush everything they see like a big pack of hungry lions vs 1 mouse with a broken leg!
now u go and test your awesome skill vs that dude! for 7 weeks! u might wanna get some more info before posting.

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

It’s not fun being on FA, doing okay/winning NA timezone then coming on to see that during the night they capped EVERYTHING and had 600+ ppt. Also, TC has quite a few more players than FA and you don’t feel the pain as much. FA is fun on reset/weekend when the numbers are still strong because we win a lot but during the week its all boring

It’s not about being outnumbered per say, its about coverage and server participation I’m on Dragonbrand and we have recently had a mass exodus of WvW guilds. We haven’t fielded 60 in NA EST for near two weeks now.

Oh we get a group up but it only lasts an hour or so. Since I have been there I’ve seen a decline in afternoon numbers to the point that when our night shift stays late is the only time we get “fights” lately its “Rolls”.

Yes I’ve been in tight groups that can take twice their numbers in open field fights but that’s only one aspect of the game.

selan.8354:

they are so desperate to find a fight that they chase 1 person though the entire map with the entire zerg….o.0 woah t1 must be really really really boring.

Actually, T1 is not boring at all for us, however facing T2 servers certainly is. I haven’t even gone into WvW this week because of the boredom, but when we are actually facing other T1 servers, it won’t be a zerg chasing one guy, it will be a zerg fighting a zerg.

That’s the thing that a lot of people not in T1 don’t get, i’ve been in T1 for a very long time, and one thing I can tell you is that there’s excitement and fights to be had all the time. That’s why a lot of guilds move here, because you can find people to play with and against at any time of day, JQ doesn’t always win T1, but you know what, people enjoy playing here because we get to fight two other great WvW servers.

As far as i’m concerned it’s the leagues and the random matchmaking that’s screwing things up. If it was just T1 facing T1, we would continue our little JQ/SoR/BG squabbles (that i’m really starting to miss this week) and not have to disturb the other servers. T1 and other servers were never meant to mix.

Unfortunately, Anet can’t force people to move to other servers. Everyone will agree that the disparity between servers 1-3 and 4-6 exists. However when it comes to the opportunity to fix it by moving people other servers, no one will volunteer to move. Winning the Gold League will feel too good.

TheAmpca.1753:

Gab Superstar.4059:

If you don’t even want to test your skill and try to win against higher tiered servers I don’t know what to say…

There is nothing about skill here. It’s facing a server with A LOT more people than you 7 weeks in a row that is very very dull.

Then blob only 1 or 2 maps, ignore the rest and learn how to compete, there is still a population cap per map so you can fight even numbers on at least a map. You won’t win the match, but if it is true that the only thing that separates tier 1 and 2 is numbers and not skill then you should be at least able to hold your corner of a map or two and keep morale high by winning your fights open field away from all the t3 walls and arrow carts.

The problem with tier 2 isn’t just numbers, it is the classes and builds most of the random pugs run. In the past few weeks of facing TC, FA, DB and SoS my guild didn’t have to worry about taking on 2 or 3 times our numbers because they melted on contact. The week we got back into a matchup with BG we ran face-first into a brick wall when we tried the same thing against the first known wvw guild on reset night and we had to revert back to “tier 1 mode.” What I’m hoping is the leagues with its forced matchups will cause servers to adapt and the blowouts will be much smaller.

renmei.3102:

TheAmpca.1753:

Gab Superstar.4059:

If you don’t even want to test your skill and try to win against higher tiered servers I don’t know what to say…

There is nothing about skill here. It’s facing a server with A LOT more people than you 7 weeks in a row that is very very dull.

The problem with tier 2 isn’t just numbers,

“T2” doesn’t have a problem. Being matched against the bloated numbers from JQ etc. is a problem.

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

You play on JQ dude. Everything you say is invalid.

ykyk.2740:

You play on JQ dude. Everything you say is invalid.

Don’t ever insult me like that, kittening gross >.>

renmei.3102:

ykyk.2740:

You play on JQ dude. Everything you say is invalid.

Don’t ever insult me like that, kittening gross >.>

Nothing against JQ of course. That guy transfers to JQ and goes on about how those who stayed behind need to buck up and stop crying, LOL.

edit: I fail at reading, too lazy to delete post

renmei.3102:

I think you have me confused with someone else, I’ve been SOR since I created my account and helped fight up from rank 17. We’ve been where the current t2 servers are right now for months, logging in to 0 PPT, slowly taking upgraded towers and keeps and finally tick 350 for an hour or two before having to go to bed and knowing everything will be lost. You’ll adapt.

I didn’t quote you FYI.

I fail at reading, time to go to bed >.>
<.<

ykyk.2740:

renmei.3102:

ykyk.2740:

You play on JQ dude. Everything you say is invalid.

Don’t ever insult me like that, kittening gross >.>

Nothing against JQ of course. That guy transfers to JQ and goes on about how those who stayed behind need to buck up and stop crying, LOL.

No, by all means, please, continue with the QQ… see ya on the field, I’m sure, well I’m sure I’ll be walking over ya at some point.

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

Yeah, we can see it was so much fun on TC that you went to JQ.

Chris.3290:

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

Yeah, we can see it was so much fun on TC that you went to JQ.

If you knew anything at all about me, you would know why I went to JQ, it’s on the TC website. So, since you know nothing, say nothing, thank you.

Next time, have a little knowledge before you speak.

Oh, it’s also been posted in these forums also. Educate yourself.

please go on…

TheAmpca.1753:

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

It’s not fun being on FA, doing okay/winning NA timezone then coming on to see that during the night they capped EVERYTHING and had 600+ ppt. Also, TC has quite a few more players than FA and you don’t feel the pain as much. FA is fun on reset/weekend when the numbers are still strong because we win a lot but during the week its all boring

used to be the other way around when we a were facing tc in t3. na was not really present so at night mainly my old guild and a few others had to try to get our bl back.
we actually did have a blast every day. idk how long u have been part of fa, but this is what we are used to, but at least we could take thigs back and have epic fights for keeps, now its just trying to avoid the monsterblob at night.
fa is fun but if u face a t1 server that has his strongest time during oceanics and sea(fa always lacked sea), then yeah na will log in with nothing. welcome to fa in t3 fir 13/14 weeks. used to log in during oceanics with nothing at all and then had to cap everything back.
;et me guess u are one of the guild that just left fa and this was the excuse u use to justify the bandwagoning. well how about u check out some fa history. the only reasoen fa had not complete blowout matchups during t3 after tc got all the transfers, was because of [GODS] NA and {PTX]{PRO} oceanics and we in oceanics used to log in to very very little to nothing.
we used to get double teamed and tc mad even a guild called [FA]good luck in tier 4
so yeah we didint fall apart then nor will we this time. facing a t1 server is less fun though as our smaller havoc groups cant really make a difference anymore as thre is a giant blob present on every map.
t1 is very far apart from t2 and thats why they need their own matchup and league as it will not be as much fun for them either to be facing a zerver with like half their coverage during certain timeslots.

If I were anet I would make the outnumbered buff mean something.

I.e. +70 to all stats.

Rama.6439:

Chris.3290:

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

Yeah, we can see it was so much fun on TC that you went to JQ.

If you knew anything at all about me, you would know why I went to JQ, it’s on the TC website. So, since you know nothing, say nothing, thank you.

Next time, have a little knowledge before you speak.

Oh, it’s also been posted in these forums also. Educate yourself.

No one cares. Seriously, why would anyone care why you went to JQ? Your view is invalidated by your current server and if you stopped posting we wouldn’t all know how few marbles you have left in the jar.

TheAmpca.1753:

Gab Superstar.4059:

If you don’t even want to test your skill and try to win against higher tiered servers I don’t know what to say…

There is nothing about skill here. It’s facing a server with A LOT more people than you 7 weeks in a row that is very very dull.

Poor Gab. Always making jokes that fly completely over some peoples’ heads. Gab was channeling Devon Carter there.

It’s not that there’s a big difference between T1 and T2, it’s the fact that there’s a difference between 1-3, 4, then 5-6. There’s actually three levels of population in the gold league.

If you’re on FA you have a few options:

1. Play the way you’ve always played. It’s not any different than the past few weeks. PPT isn’t important, fights are. Just know that if you beat a group from T1 in a 20v20 fight, the next will be 20v40. If you win that it will be 20v80. You will see FA PPT under 100 every day during off peak times. After that you’ll be retaking T1 towers and keeps that they will retake right behind you. Choo choo.

2. Don’t play. You’ll also need to convince the PvE achievement hunter to not play WvW. If enough people in WvW don’t play, that will show up in the metric Devon uses to judge success or failure. A decline in the metric will show Devon that leagues is a bad idea and changes have to be made. This doesn’t mean that the changes that will be made are better, but that will be another discussion. Even though everyone on TC, FA and SoS knows what the first season is going to be like, there’s still going to be an increase in WvW players becasue the league is something new.

3. Transfer. Go to T1 because they can pay. Go to T3 or T6 because they will win more than FA. Either way, transferring to T1 is what is most WRONG with WvW. JQ/SoR/BG haven’t been in T1 for 75% of the time GW2 has been out because they’re better, it’s because they have more players/coverage. What’s good for JQ/SoR/BG is NOT what’s good for WvW .

4. Recruit. Either recruit more from PvE or recruit from other servers. Of course if FA could recruit as well as JQ/SoR/BG then FA would be T1. Not likely to solve coverage issues.

2. Anet will always spin the numbers so things will come out in their favor. Thats why they say they have increasing participation in WvW when everyday players know the real story.

The only thing that will scare Anet is if people stop buying gems with real $$.

Why r you guys still shocked at how much stronger, or how much more coverage t1 servers have against other tiers??? it has been this way since launch and wont change.

ET/JQ/SBI all stomped the t2 servers when they went down, kitten they use to 695 ppt 24/7 them.So i ask again why r you all so shocked??.

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

SykkoB.9465:

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

WvW being 24/7 is a great ideal when you have the population to do it. We have enough NA population for 24 servers, we have enough off-hour population for 4 servers.

Basically all of T1 is carried by their off-hour population, the NA population are just parasites.

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

WvW being 24/7 is a great ideal when you have the population to do it. We have enough NA population for 24 servers, we have enough off-hour population for 4 servers.

Basically all of T1 is carried by their off-hour population, the NA population are just parasites.

No, we actually dont have the NA pop for 24 servers. Can all servers have a presence on 4 maps during NA? no they cant only the top 3 tiers can, and even thats a maybe.

Your right about the off hour coverage tho, but even that there isnt even enough to put a presence on 4 maps for 4 servers.

T1 is just playing the game the way Anet wants it played, 24/7 fights coverage. So why be shocked its happening?. and why blame t1?. Blame Anet for creating WvW this way.

SykkoB.9465:

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

WvW being 24/7 is a great ideal when you have the population to do it. We have enough NA population for 24 servers, we have enough off-hour population for 4 servers.

Basically all of T1 is carried by their off-hour population, the NA population are just parasites.

No, we actually dont have the NA pop for 24 servers. Can all servers have a presence on 4 maps during NA? no they cant only the top 3 tiers can, and even thats a maybe.

Your right about the off hour coverage tho, but even that there isnt even enough to put a presence on 4 maps for 4 servers.

T1 is just playing the game the way Anet wants it played, 24/7 fights coverage. So why be shocked its happening?. and why blame t1?. Blame Anet for creating WvW this way.

If we had equal off-hour coverage to what we have for NA, then yes we have NA population for 24 servers, well in fairness lets say a bit less, say 20 servers. Not everyone wants to blob around on qued maps, nor does everyone think you need that many people on a server. Spreading out is a good thing, we just do not have enough off-hour to spread out as well.

T1 is blamed because of the recruitment drives, the insistence to ‘get more’ rather than ‘get better’ in order to compete. ANET does what a business does, but the players… the ones that are flooding to T1 servers so they can hope to win a finisher and some extra rank chests… they deserve all the disdain we can heap upon them.

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

WvW being 24/7 is a great ideal when you have the population to do it. We have enough NA population for 24 servers, we have enough off-hour population for 4 servers.

Basically all of T1 is carried by their off-hour population, the NA population are just parasites.

No, we actually dont have the NA pop for 24 servers. Can all servers have a presence on 4 maps during NA? no they cant only the top 3 tiers can, and even thats a maybe.

Your right about the off hour coverage tho, but even that there isnt even enough to put a presence on 4 maps for 4 servers.

T1 is just playing the game the way Anet wants it played, 24/7 fights coverage. So why be shocked its happening?. and why blame t1?. Blame Anet for creating WvW this way.

If we had equal off-hour coverage to what we have for NA, then yes we have NA population for 24 servers, well in fairness lets say a bit less, say 20 servers. Not everyone wants to blob around on qued maps, nor does everyone think you need that many people on a server. Spreading out is a good thing, we just do not have enough off-hour to spread out as well.

T1 is blamed because of the recruitment drives, the insistence to ‘get more’ rather than ‘get better’ in order to compete. ANET does what a business does, but the players… the ones that are flooding to T1 servers so they can hope to win a finisher and some extra rank chests… they deserve all the disdain we can heap upon them.

have you ever played on ET and or other bottom tier servers??? they dont even have enough ppl to QUE one map let alone 4, and they r not the only ones. We have nowhere near the NA pop for 20-24 servers, we may have the NA pop for 16 or so, and im not talking about 4 map qued im talking about like 20-30 ppl on 4 maps.

Off hour coverage has always been an issue with WvW and always will be. Again wvw is 24/7, anet wanted it like this, and you cant blame the other timezones for going to servers where they will actually have ppl to fight.

and the vast majority of people who transfer to t1, dont do it for some “easy win” or “reward”, they do it because its the ONLY tier that has 24/7 coverage and the most balance competitive matches. People who wanted easy wins, would bandwagon to a Rank 7-8 server tank there score and then Stomp the other servers when league started.

Chris.3290:

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

Yeah, we can see it was so much fun on TC that you went to JQ.

i was thinking the same thing. And i’m on TC going hold thep hone here? You wha? tag line JQ huh?

Whatever. TC still the most enjoyable crowd out there. Not to say you other servers don’t rock, i just thoroughly enjoy the TC crowd, cool cats.

EDIT: I saw your post, come back.

While I agree with your point in general Sykko that people transfer to T1 for the relatively constant action, I also feel the game overall would be better off with:
1. Lower Map Caps
2. A 4 NA League Structure with T1 in its own bracket

NA T1 experiences more lag than any other Tier in the game especially in EB. A lower Map Cap will both improve gameplay and convince some to avoid transferring due to queues.

Allowing the top 3 to only play each other for the duration of a Season will still allow people who like the T1 playstyle to move there but will actually discourage people from transferring their for “easy wins” which is what many of the matches in Gold League are going to be now.

That’s what is driving a lot of this discussion – how can you “defend” T1 as a place for great matches when in a few weeks all 3 Servers likely won’t be fighting each other in the same match together?

Hexin.5603:

Chris.3290:

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

Yeah, we can see it was so much fun on TC that you went to JQ.

i was thinking the same thing. And i’m on TC going hold thep hone here? You wha? tag line JQ huh?

Whatever. TC still the most enjoyable crowd out there. Not to say you other servers don’t rock, i just thoroughly enjoy the TC crowd, cool cats.

EDIT: I saw your post, come back.

Yeah, I bet you spend all your time in DR in the taverns looking for female asuras. >.>

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

While I agree with your point in general Sykko that people transfer to T1 for the relatively constant action, I also feel the game overall would be better off with:
1. Lower Map Caps
2. A 4 NA League Structure with T1 in its own bracket

NA T1 experiences more lag than any other Tier in the game especially in EB. A lower Map Cap will both improve gameplay and convince some to avoid transferring due to queues.

Allowing the top 3 to only play each other for the duration of a Season will still allow people who like the T1 playstyle to move there but will actually discourage people from transferring their for “easy wins” which is what many of the matches in Gold League are going to be now.

That’s what is driving a lot of this discussion – how can you “defend” T1 as a place for great matches when in a few weeks all 3 Servers likely won’t be fighting each other in the same match together?

Actually man i agree with some of your points, esp the lower the map cap and stuff like that to help spread the playerbase out, if you look at my posting history about a month or so back i made many posts saying it.

What i dont agree with tho is people Blaming t1 servers for a problem Anet created, Anet is the one who set the map cap, anet is the one who made wvw 24/7 and Anet is the one creating the leagues and made this RNG match making system.Players go where they think they will have the best fights or most even fights, and like it or not t1 seems to be that place for many ppl.

SykkoB.9465:

have you ever played on ET and or other bottom tier servers??? they dont even have enough ppl to QUE one map let alone 4, and they r not the only ones. We have nowhere near the NA pop for 20-24 servers, we may have the NA pop for 16 or so, and im not talking about 4 map qued im talking about like 20-30 ppl on 4 maps.

Yes, played in tier 9, as well as 8 and most every other tier. You are splitting hairs between 16 vs 20, the point remains that if we had more off-hour folks then more servers would be viable, something like 16-20 :P

Off hour coverage has always been an issue with WvW and always will be. Again wvw is 24/7, anet wanted it like this, and you cant blame the other timezones for going to servers where they will actually have ppl to fight.

I think the point is that ANET ‘vision’ was a flawed one and their head in the sand on the topic is making things worse. Also I never commented on the other time zones, just the NA ones.

and the vast majority of people who transfer to t1, dont do it for some “easy win” or “reward”, they do it because its the ONLY tier that has 24/7 coverage and the most balance competitive matches. People who wanted easy wins, would bandwagon to a Rank 7-8 server tank there score and then Stomp the other servers when league started.

What a load. So folks have been playing on their respective servers for months, yet suddenly they decided they wanted 24/7 coverage, skill lag and massive ques just as leagues are about to start? Sounds like a great time to make the switch if competitive matches is what you wanted… enjoy all the blowouts, those are super competitive.

Rama.6439:

Hexin.5603:

Chris.3290:

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

Yeah, we can see it was so much fun on TC that you went to JQ.

i was thinking the same thing. And i’m on TC going hold thep hone here? You wha? tag line JQ huh?

Whatever. TC still the most enjoyable crowd out there. Not to say you other servers don’t rock, i just thoroughly enjoy the TC crowd, cool cats.

EDIT: I saw your post, come back.

Yeah, I bet you spend all your time in DR in the taverns looking for female asuras. >.>

Only the naughty ones. Actually I call LA my home, I don’t even have the DR poi’s for scarlet (didnt do it).

Also spend time in the mists. However if you were to come back, I might be enticed to take my little human necro and go breaking bad on ya

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

have you ever played on ET and or other bottom tier servers??? they dont even have enough ppl to QUE one map let alone 4, and they r not the only ones. We have nowhere near the NA pop for 20-24 servers, we may have the NA pop for 16 or so, and im not talking about 4 map qued im talking about like 20-30 ppl on 4 maps.

Yes, played in tier 9, as well as 8 and most every other tier. You are splitting hairs between 16 vs 20, the point remains that if we had more off-hour folks then more servers would be viable, something like 16-20 :P

Off hour coverage has always been an issue with WvW and always will be. Again wvw is 24/7, anet wanted it like this, and you cant blame the other timezones for going to servers where they will actually have ppl to fight.

I think the point is that ANET ‘vision’ was a flawed one and their head in the sand on the topic is making things worse. Also I never commented on the other time zones, just the NA ones.

and the vast majority of people who transfer to t1, dont do it for some “easy win” or “reward”, they do it because its the ONLY tier that has 24/7 coverage and the most balance competitive matches. People who wanted easy wins, would bandwagon to a Rank 7-8 server tank there score and then Stomp the other servers when league started.

What a load. So folks have been playing on their respective servers for months, yet suddenly they decided they wanted 24/7 coverage, skill lag and massive ques just as leagues are about to start? Sounds like a great time to make the switch if competitive matches is what you wanted… enjoy all the blowouts, those are super competitive.

you know how to read right ?? i said the vast majority, yes some xfered to t1 for a chance to win, most however do so for the competitive matches that happen when all 3 t1 servers r together.

Again put the blame where it belongs, anet created this mess by making leagues and this silly Rng match making system. Please stop being blinded by your anger.

Guys you are just splitting hairs at this point.

Prior to Seasons/Leagues people mostly transferred for the fights.

Since the announcement more people are transferring for the Rewards.

The way ANet structured Leagues and have communicated Rewards hasn’t helped. The way certain T1 Servers are recruiting and funding Transfers isn’t helping anything either.

There’s enough blame to go around for everybody.

Rama.6439:

If you all are QQ about being outnumbered then you all are barking up the wrong tree. When I was on TC and we would get SoR, BG, or JQ, we loved it, we knew we were outnumbered, but we liked the fights, cause we always won, they might have won the ppt match, but we always won in open field, we would go up against 50-60 with just 30+ but we were organized, we used mumble, had good commanders, everyone was in chat and listened, even militia was in mumble and we all followed the tag, and we would always go for the open field fights, everytime, and we won almost everytime, so don’t sit here and cry about being outnumbered, numbers have absolutely nothing to do with it, a lot of people like to be the underdog, cause they know they can kick the bigger dogs kitten , even if they don’t win the over all fight.

And yet here you are on JQ now……

Scale players like Mobs are scaled within a specific Radius in PvE.

Problem solved