I was running with him last night and a Diss commander noticed his guild tag and knew exactly who he was, welcomed him and such.
Pretty outstanding for a guild of one.
“Aren’t you FA?”
I was surprised too. I must have been doing a good job with harassing the dolyaks. In the militarily approved of fashion.
Matchup threads pre-TC – have been generally very civil – Feel free to check!
Can’t wait til the bullies go to T1 and go away…
Heh yes, do feel free to check. Matchup threads prior to your entering the tier were also very civil. Things were good when it was just BG/KN/TC… But now…
I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.
Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.
The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?
Also, Niim, I would find myself in the past disagreeing with a number of your posts but what you posted was very true. Sadly, many of us are unable to grasp that concept.
Commander Chocolate Teapot | Prettier than you | Forum damsel in distress
Matchup threads pre-TC – have been generally very civil – Feel free to check!
Can’t wait til the bullies go to T1 and go away…
Lol matchup threads prior to your entering the tier were also very civil. Things were good when it was just BG/KN/TC… Now…
Yeah and then the big bad boogeyman FA came and ruined your fun. Whine and complain all you want but its a two sided trollfest so either troll, sit back and watch, or go get on private forums to complain how bad the other server is about trolling. I think I covered all bases??
Matchup threads pre-TC – have been generally very civil – Feel free to check!
Can’t wait til the bullies go to T1 and go away…
Lol matchup threads prior to your entering the tier were also very civil. Things were good when it was just BG/KN/TC… Now…
Yeah and then the big bad boogeyman FA came and ruined your fun. Whine and complain all you want but its a two sided trollfest so either troll, sit back and watch, or go get on private forums to complain how bad the other server is about trolling. I think I covered all bases??
I didn’t actually say that. I was responding in kind to Evalana. And you basically reiterated a point I’d already covered; mostly that it’s a two way street.
Commander Chocolate Teapot | Prettier than you | Forum damsel in distress
PS Empty out your guild bank if you’re a guild of one before you transfer. Many rares died for this information. Not that they weren’t going to die in the Mystic Forge eventually, but still…
Ah you made the leap over. This makes me very happy. I always thought you were TC at heart. Now you and Gwen need to team up for quirky upbeat status reports.
FA is not ready to fall to T3 my dear TC friends. We still have 80 men zerg, remember? The one that keep facerolling any TC guilds in the past 7 weeks.
Sigh… “Our zerg is better than your zerg, we won with less coverage because we’re vastly superior to you, TC FA TC FA TC TC FA FA TC blahblahblahblahblah.”
When will everyone be quiet? If you take a moment to re-read these kind of posts, you should feel embarrassed. Both servers.
on a related note….
I am a TCer and I am. I got conned into replying more than once last week. Wont happen this week as I am only coming on here to see a score update. After which I head to a different thread.
Truth be told, TC has many great players, FA has many great players. For what ever reason the idiots are loudest.
Commander Ravana Mace[CERN] – 80 Ranger
~Tarnished Coast since the beginning
FA has been consistently judged by its forum warriors, a fact that I have often resented because I assumed a label (for being on FA) even though I so rarely agree with our trolls. Now TC has seen a marked increase in their own warriors, so are we to judge their server in a similar fashion?
I for one will not do so. And all I ask is that TC returns the favor. There is sooo much hate for FA because of the viewpoints of our narrow-minded folks that decide to post here, so maybe now TC can understand what it feels like and cut out the hatred and spite. I can guarantee the FA trolls won’t stop, that horse has been beaten enough (trust me i’ve tried). But that doesn’t mean that fire should be fought with fire, burning the thread in the process.
Which side consistently has the same people rehash the same allegations in new threads every week?
Yes, it is silly to respond in kind, but sometimes people just have had enough.
In that respect the trolls have succeeded – in bringing alot of people to their level.
FA is not ready to fall to T3 my dear TC friends. We still have 80 men zerg, remember? The one that keep facerolling any TC guilds in the past 7 weeks.
It does seem you bucked up a little bit.I’m thinking at this point that your hungrier than KN.
As far as the facerolling.I’m guessing your on a different timezone other than NA because 75% of those battles have not gone well for you on FABL outside us trying to take your garrison.
Now there is one thing that I worry about on TC. Traditionally when we open up such a large lead on our opponents to the extent that they are no longer a threat we tend to relax, do a dungeon or two, work up a new toon, hang out and rp at the hotsprings or in the bars etc..etc…etc.
My worry Tears is that you have crossed the non threat threshold. Stories of battles and conquest are running rampant in the bars.I fear many of us are cozing up to the ale instead of our weapons.
I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.
Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.
The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?
Fair points but I think the issue is that if FA truly does not care about winning and ppt etc they really should not constantly Q.Q about recruitment / transfers / coverage / 2v1 / PR teams / server zergballs etc.
If all FA wants is open-field fighting; fine talk about it. Talk all you want about GvG and loot bags and continue to post selectively edited footage which I enjoy watching. However, I personally don’t believe that is the case. I believe FA does care about winning and PPT etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about the framework of WvWvW” every time they start losing. That I think is where the clash of server cultures happens in my opinion.
My worry Tears is that you have crossed the non threat threshold.
The dreaded non-threat threshold, defined as:
“A platonic relationship wherein one person wishes to enter into an RP-centric relationship, while the other does not. It is generally considered to be an undesirable situation by the RPer. Once the non-threat threshold is established, it is said to be difficult to move beyond that point to the hot-springs.”
But I’m trying, Ringo. I’m trying real hard to be the shepherd.
I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.
Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.
The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?
Fair points but I think the issue is that if FA truly does not care about winning and ppt etc they really should not constantly Q.Q about recruitment / transfers / coverage / 2v1 / PR teams / server zergballs etc.
If all FA wants is open-field fighting; fine talk about it. Talk all you want about GvG and loot bags and continue to post selectively edited footage which I enjoy watching. However, I personally don’t believe that is the case. I believe FA does care about winning and PPT etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about the framework of WvWvW” every time they start losing. That I think is where the clash of server cultures happens in my opinion.
To be fair nobody likes to lose and everybody in every form of competition ever comes up with reasons when they do lose. Sometimes it’s valid reflection and often it’s plain excuses, but being able to ignore those reactions is part of sportsmanship and class.
As for the clash of server cultures, I think it makes for great entertainment and rivalry. As long as people don’t start taking things too seriously.
I think in FA we genuinely do just play for the laughs.
However, nobody at all wants to drop down to t3 (who I’ve spoken to anyway), so I think this week we’ll be a bit more PPT conscious. The fights in t2 are too much fun
I think in FA we genuinely do just play for the laughs.
However, nobody at all wants to drop down to t3 (who I’ve spoken to anyway), so I think this week we’ll be a bit more PPT conscious. The fights in t2 are too much fun
And I think FA did an outstanding job of getting back in it. There is no doubt the three way horse race between KN/DB/FA has those involved on pins and needles.FA is rising to the occasion, there is no taking that away from them.
PS, Adam, we all play for laughs. You should listen to our mumble. It’s a riot.
I’m glad everyone is whoopin it up.
I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.
Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.
The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?
Fair points but I think the issue is that if FA truly does not care about winning and ppt etc they really should not constantly Q.Q about recruitment / transfers / coverage / 2v1 / PR teams / server zergballs etc.
If all FA wants is open-field fighting; fine talk about it. Talk all you want about GvG and loot bags and continue to post selectively edited footage which I enjoy watching. However, I personally don’t believe that is the case. I believe FA does care about winning and PPT etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about the framework of WvWvW” every time they start losing. That I think is where the clash of server cultures happens in my opinion.
I think it comes back to validation. When a FA person talks about GvG and loot bags, who gets upset and posts something about PPT and place in the tier? When a TC person posts about place in tier and PPT, who gets upset and posts about loot bags and GvG? No one wants their view of winning to be invalidated, so you get these kinds of threads.
I could easily twist your statement to:
I believe TC does care about bags and GvG etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about bags and GvG” every time they lose
Frankly anyone that suggests, on either side, that the clash of cultures is one sided has their head in the sand.
Personally, FA is my FAVORITE server to play against. The reason why? Quite frankly, the scoreboard at any point in time does not matter. It is about the battles while I am playing, and my favorite part of WvW is zerg v zerg. FA is usually willing to fight that way, even in an open field. Win or lose, it makes the game fun.
To be fair nobody likes to lose and everybody in every form of competition ever comes up with reasons when they do lose. Sometimes it’s valid reflection and often it’s plain excuses, but being able to ignore those reactions is part of sportsmanship and class.
As for the clash of server cultures, I think it makes for great entertainment and rivalry. As long as people don’t start taking things too seriously.
I think in FA we genuinely do just play for the laughs.
However, nobody at all wants to drop down to t3 (who I’ve spoken to anyway), so I think this week we’ll be a bit more PPT conscious. The fights in t2 are too much fun
Lol every time I see the uA and AVTR tags on tcbl I cringe because I KNOW we are going to lose atleast one of our keeps haha. Honestly tho you guys are very persistent and don’t let a few let downs hold you back. /salute
I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.
Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.
The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?
Fair points but I think the issue is that if FA truly does not care about winning and ppt etc they really should not constantly Q.Q about recruitment / transfers / coverage / 2v1 / PR teams / server zergballs etc.
If all FA wants is open-field fighting; fine talk about it. Talk all you want about GvG and loot bags and continue to post selectively edited footage which I enjoy watching. However, I personally don’t believe that is the case. I believe FA does care about winning and PPT etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about the framework of WvWvW” every time they start losing. That I think is where the clash of server cultures happens in my opinion.
I think it comes back to validation. When a FA person talks about GvG and loot bags, who gets upset and posts something about PPT and place in the tier? When a TC person posts about place in tier and PPT, who gets upset and posts about loot bags and GvG? No one wants their view of winning to be invalidated, so you get these kinds of threads.
I could easily twist your statement to:
I believe TC does care about bags and GvG etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about bags and GvG” every time they lose
Frankly anyone that suggests, on either side, that the clash of cultures is one sided has their head in the sand.
Exactly. There’s no difference between FA going “oh gvg open field loot bags blah” and TC going “scoreboard ppt meta blah”. It’s kind of simplistic to categorize two huge (ok, one huge and one rather big) servers along those kind of lines – FA has people who think about ppt and I know for a fact TC has plenty of people who put effort into improving open field combat. It gets ridiculous when we endlessly fling crap at the other server for some type of supposed “server mentality” or for not playing WvW the way you think is the best.
The (albeit subtle) difference is that these FA-people are trashing TC already for months and TC never really replied in the past.
But there comes a point when too much is too much.
For me, that point came when these FAers kept saying that they were better than TC… after TC won against FA 7 times in a row.
When FA looses 7 matches against TC and some FAers keep saying over and over and over AND OVER that FA is better than TC, you can not expect that TC just stays quiet and doesn’t react to these insults.
People like to use their own experiences and apply it to whole servers. BT does well, and we see very large zergs run on sight, so much so that we had to change tags to get decent fights and even that effect lasted a couple of days at most. This isn’t to troll or gloat, it’s a fact. At the same time, I know that TC isn’t running or losing, and in fact is probably stomping other people on my server. When you see someone saying “we’re better than you” you have to take a step back and think about who said it (all the while thinking they’re a bit slow for applying their success to their entire server).
TC and FA just don’t mix well, condescending roleplayers that post cuddly things on one side, and deflecting whiners + kitten stroking gankers on the other side.
Edit: Make no mistake, both sides think ppt is important, and both sides have people who like to fight. I just think FA has more of the latter, and TC has the numbers to dominate the former. Overall I couldn’t call a “better” server.
TC needs to pack their bags and go get kitten smashed face rolled in T1.
Lol, do you really think 1 of the T1 servers moving down would be better for you?
I am wondering if this is going to turn into a T1.5 thing again where there are 2 servers that are to good for T2 but not good enough for T1. At least none of us are waking up and there is a server ticking 625+ from PvDooring all night.
TC needs to pack their bags and go get kitten smashed face rolled in T1.
And if/when we do reach Tier 1 we will fight hard from reset to reset.
We will then congratulate the servers that have defeated us for their hard earned and well-deserved victory while showing grace in defeat.
What we won’t do is come to these forums and complain or make excuses about coverage, 2v1, recruiting, and lack of 20v20 GvG opportunities, while chest pumping about loot bags, and open field meaningless victories.
Little word of advice to you FA: respect your opposition if you wish your opposition to respect you.
But I’m trying, Ringo. I’m trying real hard to be the shepherd.
Little word of advice to you FA: respect your opposition if you wish your opposition to respect you.
Hard to respect anyone running from fights on a regular basis. I just hope T1 has more fighting oriented guilds than FA so that when they pvdoor everything TC owns you have nowhere to run to… forcing you to have “meaningless fights”.
I’m curious to see if tier 1 is that much further ahead of tier 2. TC would be a measuring stick of sorts.
As I would personally like to give T1 a shot Furious, I don’t see it happening any time in the near future.
From what I hear with the never ending queues going on in T1 it would be a whole new world being we don’t usually have queues, or long queues aside from reset night. It would be nice to test their metal though.
FA is not ready to fall to T3 my dear TC friends. We still have 80 men zerg, remember? The one that keep facerolling any TC guilds in the past 7 weeks.
It does seem you bucked up a little bit.I’m thinking at this point that your hungrier than KN.
As far as the facerolling.I’m guessing your on a different timezone other than NA because 75% of those battles have not gone well for you on FABL outside us trying to take your garrison.
Now there is one thing that I worry about on TC. Traditionally when we open up such a large lead on our opponents to the extent that they are no longer a threat we tend to relax, do a dungeon or two, work up a new toon, hang out and rp at the hotsprings or in the bars etc..etc…etc.
My worry Tears is that you have crossed the non threat threshold. Stories of battles and conquest are running rampant in the bars.I fear many of us are cozing up to the ale instead of our weapons.
RP walks away
No, We were not on FABL last night, ask your PiNK buddy how well we treated them.
And here I thought the thread was becoming more civil again.
Convince TC to stop running away from and i’ll be posting with bunny ears and fire works photoshopped into my score updates with compliments to everyone hidden in my chat.
Hard to respect anyone running from fights on a regular basis. I just hope T1 has more fighting oriented guilds than FA so that when they pvdoor everything TC owns you have nowhere to run to… forcing you to have “meaningless fights”.
Thank you for proving my point.
But I’m trying, Ringo. I’m trying real hard to be the shepherd.
This is the thing though, nightcapping, PVD, 2v1, recruiting, transfers, bandwagon, ppt are part of WvWvW whether we like it or not. The framework of WvWvW has created these tendencies. Playing the game like it is SUPPOSED to be played within the framework of WvWvW; yeah TC is better and TC is winning.
FA might be winning in whichever fictional framework of WvWvW they dream up of but as WvWvW exists right now with all its negatives, TC is better at it.
Convince TC to stop running away from and i’ll be posting with bunny ears and fire works photoshopped into my score updates with compliments to everyone hidden in my chat.
Dear Odaman… you misunderstand us… We were running past you into first place.
Enjoy your set of steak-knives.
But I’m trying, Ringo. I’m trying real hard to be the shepherd.
Little word of advice to you FA: respect your opposition if you wish your opposition to respect you.
Hard to respect anyone running from fights on a regular basis. I just hope T1 has more fighting oriented guilds than FA so that when they pvdoor everything TC owns you have nowhere to run to… forcing you to have “meaningless fights”.
Oh brother, get over yourself bud. It was just yesterday or the day before that 20+ FA, including some BT waypointed, in mass while on the run from a fight near GreenLake. BT is a fine guild and all of that but your really,really,really giving yourself way to much credit on the running away speel. It’s old hat not to mention that I never see it happen.
Anyhow, onward.
Your only point is your server doesn’t chest thump which was proven wrong long ago. I would be curious to hear the tc voip though… do you congratulate each other on a successful “retreat”?
credit on the running away speel. It’s old hat not to mention that I never see it happen.
Anyhow, onward.
I’ll be sure to start recording it then. Before it wasn’t really that bad, I took a break and came back to see it happen 4-8 times a night. It won’t take long to get it together. It won’t be a very interesting video though, hence why I started posting about it. It’s boring and pathetic to see it on a regular basis.
Your only point is your server doesn’t chest thump which was proven wrong long ago. I would be curious to hear the tc voip though… do you congratulate each other on a successful “retreat”?
Nope we are RPing lootbags of course.
What else could we be doing…. le sigh.
Match went stale when your guys stopped turning up on the weekend.
No it’s not a jibe or chest thump, just an observation, FA’s strength is reset weekend, which seemed strangely vacant this week.
I wish folks would just accept the fact that servers can have different cultures and thus different views and priorities and different views of success and winning.
Because of a largely opposing views of the game, it is entirely possible for both FA and TC to feel like they are winning at the same time and this thread is the fallout from them trying to prove their winning is more meaningful then the others and gain validation of their version of victory.
The only thing that actually matters to either side is, do you have fun playing the game the way you do? If so, who cares that someone else’s view of success is different then your own?
Fair points but I think the issue is that if FA truly does not care about winning and ppt etc they really should not constantly Q.Q about recruitment / transfers / coverage / 2v1 / PR teams / server zergballs etc.
If all FA wants is open-field fighting; fine talk about it. Talk all you want about GvG and loot bags and continue to post selectively edited footage which I enjoy watching. However, I personally don’t believe that is the case. I believe FA does care about winning and PPT etc but just falls back to this crutch of “oh who cares about the framework of WvWvW” every time they start losing. That I think is where the clash of server cultures happens in my opinion.
To be fair nobody likes to lose and everybody in every form of competition ever comes up with reasons when they do lose. Sometimes it’s valid reflection and often it’s plain excuses, but being able to ignore those reactions is part of sportsmanship and class.
As for the clash of server cultures, I think it makes for great entertainment and rivalry. As long as people don’t start taking things too seriously.
Edit: I meant to quote Theon, but hit the response to his post instead.
I started a thread on the FA forums to discuss this very thing. The conclusion we came to is that FA cares about PPT to the extent that it does not interfere with having fun. Yes there are some who use it as a crutch unfortunately, but most of us want to simply enjoy the good fights, and are quite happy to let TC win T2.
And that’s not to say FA can’t or doesn’t play the points game. We made the push to get to T2, made several weeks of pushing to beat TC, and now we are pushing to stay in the tier. We put on our PPT pants when need be.
Now this isn’t one of those “we could beat you if we tried” posts, TC is a formidable opponent. But your suggestions to improve our meta just aren’t fun in our eyes, because our goals aren’t necessarily the same. Our mentality and culture are in part a product of being dominated in T3 (mostly by TC no less), and it is one we are proud of.
Wechlas [Echo]
Charr Ranger
Fort Aspenwood (www.fort-aspenwood.com)
Your only point is your server doesn’t chest thump which was proven wrong long ago. I would be curious to hear the tc voip though… do you congratulate each other on a successful “retreat”?
Why YES, we DO.
The first thing we do is put on Kool and the Gang’s “Celebration.”
After waypointing we wear town cloths and have a dance party with trays of cookies and cake. I like to hand out punch.
And then we all compliment each other on how good we look wearing Green.
Green is lovely in the spring.
But I’m trying, Ringo. I’m trying real hard to be the shepherd.
I always thought you were TC at heart. Now you and Gwen need to team up for quirky upbeat status reports.
