Guild Wars 2

I don’t know if this has been talked about a lot yet, but here it goes.

When I first heard about the WvW leagues I was actually pretty excited. Though this was because I saw it on the forums first and the poster said that NA will be separated into 4 leagues of 6 servers. Though obviously this turned out to be false, and the poster corrected his post and alas we have 2 leagues of 12 servers.

Honestly I think NA should be split into 4 leagues of 6 six servers. I think that it will create for better competition and severely limit ridiculous blowouts of some top ranked server fighting a much lower ranked server. I mean yes there will still be some uneven fighting matches among the 6 servers in one league but there is nothing you can really do about that unless one of the lower servers receives transfers. But at least we wont have rank 1 going against rank 12 lol

But I think that doing this will create nice competition among the servers within the leagues and possibly create some nice rivalries.

Also this will allow people to know which bracket/league they might want to transfer to. Like league 1 obviously will be about 24/7 coverage and constant zerg battles, League 2 not as much about 24/7 coverage and large zerg battles during parts of the day, most other parts just small-medium sized battles, League 3 etc…

Also it could add some other elements such as if you win one of the leagues you may possibly move to the next league up since it will obviously be a more difficult league to contend in and if your last place in a league you move down. I know this and putting Na into 4 leagues might create a whole bunch of other problems but its just an idea.

Thoughts?

tl;dr
seperate NA into 4 leagues of 6 servers as it will be more fun

I think most people would have no problem with the leagues if there was only 4 of them, there is still quite the spread in coverage but at least the match ups aren’t complete blow outs. The biggest fail with the league set up is that there is two of them. You won’t get people paying gems to transfer from rank 24 to rank 19 (4 leagues) but you will see transfers from rank 12 to rank 1

This is a potential solution or perhaps there is another, but as it stands, Anet is no doubt heading for disaster with 2 NA leagues only.

Right now in NA you have 6 teams, the top 6, that will pretty much crush the next 6 any time they are matched up. This thoughtless season they are projecting has every possibility to make ghost towns out of numerous servers.

Just look at the 3rd tier in NA right now for proof of this reality. Dragonband, currently #6, is basically going to run 450+ for this whole week every day except for maybe a couple hours of primtime, where their lower league 1 opponents might crack 150 if lucky in those few hours, then go back to holding maybe 3 or 4 structures over all maps.

Devon Carver claimed that WvW was never meant to be ‘fair’. That’s fine, I don’t think anyone is expecting every match come down to the last day. But there is big a difference between ‘fair’ and at least ‘competitive’. Some base level of real competition is needed to keep people interested in the game. And right now a match like this is not competitive at all, and makes the whole week mostly a joke other than for some zerging around to try and wxp or karma train for a while, with no intention of holding anything more than 5 minutes.

This is a sad state for the game mode to get in and its only going to get worse when you throw top 3 servers up against the bottom 9 or so, at least in the top league. I don’t know if the bottom will be as badly imbalanced, but I suspect it won’t be great either.

Pendragon.8735:

This is a sad state for the game mode to get in and its only going to get worse when you throw top 3 servers up against the bottom 9 or so, at least in the top league. I don’t know if the bottom will be as badly imbalanced, but I suspect it won’t be great either.

The coverage gap difference is pretty large among the lower tiers as well. Having four leagues would indeed help with parity, but most of us couldn’t give two kittens about this stupid league idea anyway.

I’ve been playing Guild Wars 2 since release and loving it. The changes and additions you’ve made to the game are great. Yes, there is still much more to do and I’m sure it will be better than any other modern MMO out there. I am in a hardcore on TC WvW guild and we raid tag less with geared, comp’d, 80’s only. Anything else is just…weak because 30,40,50,60+ man zergs are merciless.

Hugh Norfolk said on WvW borderlands preview stream "Zergs to us, we don’t mind. We always and forever will not mind big groups, big organized groups that have a lot of fun. That’s the point of WvW. Right? You want 100 on 100 big epic fights but when its mindless … when you just get a bunch of people that’s not very organized and they run around; and that’s the most efficient way to play then that’s not what we like.

I think Hugh misspoken he threw the number 100 on 100 fights out there. Everything else is in that quote is on point. I can’t imagine how hard it is to be on a live stream with some of the GW2 fans we have, especially in the chat lol.

Below are some ideas I believe might help World Vs World.

Leagues – 4 leagues of 6 for NA, 3 leagues of 6 and league of 9 in EU if that works for EU.
Diamond League / Platinum League – Gold League – Silver League – Bronze League
All leagues should get finishers for 1st, 2nd, and thirst place to be fair. (If people want this)

There has been a lot of talk about what is fair/fun in WvW and I hope you the developers come to the conclusion that close/equal 24/7 coverage matchups is what’s fair. It was nice touring the lower ranked servers with the new random system but the fight are so few, rare, fair, and mostly unfair. This week TC is up against SoR; after the weekend we might not have much coverage because people might give up and wait for the next match up on Friday.

Transfers – Up to you. BG,SoR,JQ,TC,FA,DB seem to have a good WvW coverage. In Tiers where people run around for hours and not have a single fight and have a low PvE population might need to merge servers. Also if people did not know, the world you logged in at the start of the season is the season your rewards are based off regardless of transfer.

Balancing Ideas –
1) Skill be a factor – Have level 80 kills count towards the score without orb buffs. This might bring a skill factor that counts in WvW. Yes, I know on Sept 17 stomps with each orb buff will grant a point each. The server with more coverage will most likely have more time with the orb buffs and more stomping points. My guild does not stomp because and I quote Hugh Norfolk “You’re opening yourself up to be absolutely dismasted in WvW” while stomping. It will be interesting to see if people stomp with orb buffs in larger 15+ vs 15+ fights.

2) Camps flip fast in WvW, but if they scaled like PvE events; people might have a chance to defend the camp. Scale if there is 5+ attacking or whatever the magic number is.

3) Up leveled people really don’t have a chance in WvW. Having a system like PvP might be a good thing for WvW but also allow all PvE equipment. Unlocked traits, Runes(?), exotic armor – weapons – trinkets. Not being fully traited/geared just doesn’t cut it in WvW. Up leveled people are hurting the server when they die and rally the enemy.

Give us tools we need to grow.
4) Alerts – when towers, keeps, and maybe even SMC is being attacked. There are archers on every gate, why can’t they alerts us? This will create more fights.

5) Build/Gear Template codes – We had this in GW1 and we need this in GW2. It’s a hassles to share builds, equipment, and to switch between builds.

6) Inspect Players – Request to see other players/allies build and equipment or be able to see your allies gear without requesting. I love this feature in PvP, I wish it was in PvE and WvW.

7) Scouting – lots of times numbers of 25+ are called when there’s only about 15 and a group of 15 is called when there’s actually 25. Can we get some type of feature that counts the number of allies and enemies on our screen. For Fairer fights, right enemy numbers will be called.

I’m excited for the next release on September 17th! I can’t wait to try the new features and explore terrain in WvW. Good luck to the developers creating this and I will be playing WvW regardless of any change as long as there’s good fights to be had.

Having 4 leagues would be the same as it is now. With 6 servers per league you would not have the same variety as a 2 league system. The 6 league system would just be more of the same match-ups. Yet the top servers in each league will be pvd during 80% of the league matches with the 12server system. That will get boring to anyone after awhile. I hope the league will displace wvwers into some of the other servers but that will not happen with server transfer fees.

suggested by many to have 4 leauges for NA but I doubt anet will listen. they gone full kitten.

Ulion.5476:

Having 4 leagues would be the same as it is now. With 6 servers per league you would not have the same variety as a 2 league system. The 6 league system would just be more of the same match-ups. Yet the top servers in each league will be pvd during 80% of the league matches with the 12server system. That will get boring to anyone after awhile. I hope the league will displace wvwers into some of the other servers but that will not happen with server transfer fees.

I’ll take a bit less “variety” of servers we face in favor of a lot more balance. The “variety” with 2 leagues will simply boil down more lower servers getting rotflstomped by bigger numbers. They will just have different tags.