Guild Wars 2

Someone hear me out please. Last night, 40+ DB took EB keep in 3 minutes.

Ehmry Bay has its faults.
- We have no international player base to go against Dragonbrand/Crystal Desert.
- People only cared about capping and not defending.
- People are only capping because of WvW premier achievement thing.
- Purposely anger Dragonbrand by taking Stone Mist so they gather all their man power against us. Easy for those cappers to say. They take it then go to sleep because they got their 5th Castle achievement. Leaving night time players to deal with disgruntled Dragonbrand on vengeance zerging.

I have my faults
- I spent 6 hours upgrading and should have went to sleep like the rest.
- I didn’t learn that Ehmry Bay is empty after 1-3AM Eastern time.

The Ehmry Bay keep was full upgraded with 22 pieces of siege on it I personally built and refreshed. I even upgraded supply so that dolyaks from Dane/Umber do double loads+protected. I am flustered that 3 arrow carts and a catapult does NOTHING to defend a fully upgraded keep. All this mastery stuff breaks doors down faster. Siege doesn’t kill players faster that’s for sure.

So final thoughts as I depart from ever playing WvW with my efforts. If we are “outnumbered” shouldn’t there be something to work in our favor of those who do decide to defend objectives? No repair cost and MF means nothing to me. I am not a sore loser. I don’t care about losing to zergs and constant flipping of supply camps to my objectives. Nor the suicide assaults or Victorious ones onto Stone Mist. Its the logic that if it took 6 hours+ to build, then at least 15 minutes required assault time?.

In a “Silver” league level we don’t belong in; Ehmry Bay should be between Bronze and Silver. Call it Nickel. Its for servers that are 9am to 5pm with no nightshift.

Sorry but yes…im mad bro.

jessiejay.3625:

Someone hear me out please. Last night, 40+ DB took EB keep in 3 minutes.

This happens every day and night in every matchup, since just about all of them these days are complete blowouts.

Welcome to WvW.

As someone who’s a member of the Dragonbrand server I’d like to say the following;

- I don’t apologize, but I do sympathize. Before the season began and around the time I started playing (not that long ago) we were against Maguuma and Sea Of Sorrows… Needless to say, we had [Outnumbered] 95% of the time and just about all of our efforts amounted to insta-die and being roflstomped until it felt stupid to keep trying.
- Don’t let it discourage you. Yes it sucks big time but things will change. Maybe not after reset or maybe it will. If you don’t want to play you don’t have to but I’m almost completely certain every server has faced hard times like that. I know first hand Dragonbrand has but because I enjoy WvW so much, winning or losing, I’m still here to see us doing well instead of being facerolled.
- Also, our server is extremely active early morning (or at least morning where I live) and the other two servers seem to be pretty much dead. We do kind of take advantage of that but we’ve been pretty behind lately so it’s just bad luck on our opponents part that we’re trying extra hard right now.

Just take your anger out on us or the next server you’re against when they’re weakest. I DO apologize for this one but whoever we were spawn camping today… That hate comes from being mowed down by Maguuma so many times… They had no frigging mercy.

Cool story bro and welcome to coverage wars 2 (aka Stackwars 2). Leagues are not competitive at all. If you’re stuck in Anet’s idea that they’re supposed to be, you’re not going to have any fun in WvW. Forget PPT and play for the fights or else it’s not worth playing at all.

welcome to WvW. there are important lessons to be learned here:

1. as a rule of thumb, coverage wins. sometimes skill beats coverage, but eventually skill goes to bed and coverage sweeps the map.

2. losing an objective can be heartbreaking if you have invested heavily in it. in order to avoid heartbreak, either invest less or learn to accept that your upgrades are temporary.

3. siege isn’t an automatic win. you have to place the right pieces in the right places in order to create kill zones, and you have to have enough people manning siege (preferably people with the appropriate masteries). you also need people with good crowd control skills keeping people stunned and rooted in those kill zones. if you don’t have enough people to do all this, see lesson #1.

4. your server has a mix of players, and some of them are better than others. try to focus less on what your server might have achieved if only your best players were logged on, and focus more on what your server can actually achieve with the players you have right now. if the players you have right now aren’t interested in defense, keep that in mind as you make your plans.

-ken

I remember when we did this to BP.

jessiejay.3625:

Someone hear me out please. Last night, 40+ DB took EB keep in 3 minutes.

This happens on all servers all the time. A zerg of 40+ can take any keep easily if you don’t have a zerg defending. The game mode is seriously flawed when it takes hours of hard work to get a keep to Fortified status and sieged up, but it only takes 3 minutes to lose it…

For this reason I don’t bother playing anymore.

You post in the wrong forum dude…
Plus DB didn’t complain when they get kitten d harshly by FA, which is suppose to be a T2 server but choose to drop to silver league.

@ jessiejay

This is the trap of WvWvW and I’ve mentioned it here before. A lot of people fall into this trap because they make an initial investment and will feel like they need to see it through and that they’re doing a good thing. Anet keeps buffing siege while structures stay the same. My advice? Keep your money, play for the fights and if/when that isn’t fun, log off, you don’t owe your opponents or servermates a good time.

I agree with the above.

If you’re constantly focusing on siege and running supply and worrying about whether siege is refreshed you’re not only doing yourself a disservice…most everybody else is ignoring you or annoyed you aren’t out there fighting (especially if they have been paired up against people who clearly have more players).

BTW, none of those things you call “faults” are really faults with your server. They are faults with this game and it’s design….another reason people should take focus on the things you have control over…. avoid running away constantly or a siege mentality and try to get out there and have fun fighting where you can.

Be happy that you helped hold your keep for 6 hours — it’s a much healthier attitude.

try to fight BG or SoS, they will abuse the hell out of your lack of coverage lol

i do feel the OP tho, defense is very weak in this game while requires a lot of effort hence why many commanders don’t even upgrade anything anymore but just keep kitten “papper” so they can flip it back later

while anet can’t really nerf “coverage” i think they should indeed make defense more viable and rework outmanned buff so it is actually usefull for wvw and not pve’ers only

i don’t want to be rude but their idea of “oh hey we are outnumbered, more MF, let’s wvw” is stupid, players don’t work like that; they see outnumbered buff and think “crap, there is karma train running around, we have no chance” and quit << THIS is reality

Crappy lesson to learn the hard way. Most players on most servers experience it eventually.

I stopped defending ages ago because there is no reward to be found only frustration. The only thing I will defend consistently is Garrison and sometimes the EB Keep. The rest can just stay paper as far as I am concerned.

It’s not that you don’t belong in silver, its DB doesn’t belong there. You guys are fairly even with us (CD) and i can safely say they DB have massive coverage during US prime time and Oceanic Prime time.

We play Oceanic time and ive seen zergs of well over 40 on every BL and EB from them. These kitteners are locust …

Our team gave up with defense because of the exact reasons you state. We decided to take it to DBBL over the last few days. Flipping camps and building mass golems with their supply. Does this suck? Yes it does … but we arnt going to waste our time protecting paper gates ..

That being said, a large portion of CD loves defending our BL – so it works out well.

zeetee.1537:

It’s not that you don’t belong in silver, its DB doesn’t belong there. You guys are fairly even with us (CD) and i can safely say they DB have massive coverage during US prime time and Oceanic Prime time.

We play Oceanic time and ive seen zergs of well over 40 on every BL and EB from them. These kitteners are locust …

Our team gave up with defense because of the exact reasons you state. We decided to take it to DBBL over the last few days. Flipping camps and building mass golems with their supply. Does this suck? Yes it does … but we arnt going to waste our time protecting paper gates ..

That being said, a large portion of CD loves defending our BL – so it works out well.

Go check the Season leader-board and say that again….
The one who really doesn’t belong to Silver League is clearly FA.
They were in T2 forever (Remember TC and FA get along for so long) and now they CHOOSE to drop to T3~4 so they can be the top silver league.

We lost most guilds to T1 for NA Prime time that we rarely need to Que even in EB.
We’re actually stronger at OCEANIC SEA time because we lose fewer guilds there.

zeetee.1537:

It’s not that you don’t belong in silver, its DB doesn’t belong there. You guys are fairly even with us (CD) and i can safely say they DB have massive coverage during US prime time and Oceanic Prime time.

They do belong here. FA and SBI are the two that don’t but anyone else brought down from the current Gold league would be dominating as well.

Lol. No server belongs in silver league. Servers didn’t even belong in a tier of three servers, so why would the belong in a league of 9?

so basically the gold league should be the top 9 instead of the top 6……..

Straegen.2938:

zeetee.1537:

It’s not that you don’t belong in silver, its DB doesn’t belong there. You guys are fairly even with us (CD) and i can safely say they DB have massive coverage during US prime time and Oceanic Prime time.

They do belong here. FA and SBI are the two that don’t but anyone else brought down from the current Gold league would be dominating as well.

It doesn’t matter if its FA,sbi,SoS, or TC like the guy said anyone in gold league would be dominating.

There is very little reward for hardworking players / community that put in hours of time and gold to upgrade towers/keeps/castle. They are better off following the zerg to recap stuff.

Notice that :
(1) No WvW season achievement that involves defending objectives
(2) you earn more karma, WXP, silver from capturing objectives than defending for the amount of time spent.
(3) No meta achievement to record amount of gold a person spent on upgrading structures. No title awarded to players who spend 100s of gold over a month upgrading structures.

azizul.8469:

so basically the gold league should be the top 9 instead of the top 6……..

Basically not.

Platinum league should be BG, SoR, JQ. It’s nice to farm these servers but ppt-wise, any other match involving any of these ‘special’ servers is pointless.

Gold league should be TC, Mag, SoS, SBI, FA. TC doesn’t even quite fit anywhere but all the others are close to even matches.

I don’t know how the remaining servers should have been subdivided since I don’t have an idea of their power. Point is, it could have been done a lot better to make things semi-competitive at least.

looks like u ran into tfv and nnk. as an fa member that faced them multiple times there is a few things. siege up your important keeps with superriors everywhere, including trebs on gates. when nnk hits, DO NOT stand on walls!they have heavy aoe and hit like a truck, also they will build acs that can hit everywhere and that dragontooth will take down even carefully placed siege. u need scouts and a lot ofmanpower when they attack. catas and trebs in garri placed on second level are good to counter the zerglings.
use reflects on gate as they have lota projectiles and omegas.
in garrison:

nnk loves either watergate or sw gate and if they fail to take it u will see tfv coming in through one of the other gates. nnk usually will test wg first, then check out se, but most likely will move to sw gate.

in blue keep:
place siege in the middle of inner lordsroom including catas and trebs
supperior ac on vista is epic as eles cant reach it if placed carefully
they usually come through main gate.
if nnk fails,tfv will try south gate

also have trbs ready to hit outer walls as nnk loves to build mass ac’s on walls and also catas.
little hint, get a few people with cata mastery5 on a cata build close to the innergate and have them use the bubbles that can block treb and catashots. again reflects work great on nnk, tfv is more melee so watch out for that cc.

have scouts trying to find out where nnk and tfv zergs are.

if they come to your bl:
normally u will ge outmanned right away, then they will either hit vale or bluewater(whichever is closer to their spawn)

in bay they will get through outer very quick(south gate) then either go straight to inner south or build a ton of catas and at leas 2 trebs to take out siege and walls.

hint: hide sup ac’s at places they dont expect, have catamastery 5 and 4 people using a cata to block the threbshots. 1 sup ac at supply depot inner if u dont have people then nnk will take bay quickly though as it is hard to defend and they will build ac very close to the inner gate and that ac will hit your lordsroom

hills:
2 trebs inner(1 for each gate), sup ac on supply depot roof
2 trebs southgate on stairs(have people with supplydraining cows on it( 3 suply traps placed on different locations
watch out with siege on the little cliff on the right side southgate as they will come up switchback and build sup ac right below where u usually have a treb that hits lake tower and that ac will take down all that siege u have placed on the other side of the wall.
again use reflects on gate and keep those trebs firing….

important is though: nothing on walls will help vs nnk nor tfv, u need a strong organized guild in order to take them down or keep is lost…and yes they will come back for u.

btw nnk will attack the bl with the least upgrades first.

TL;DR version:

selan.8354:

u need…a lot of manpower…

Ohhhh! How do we do that?

Waffler.1257:

TL;DR version:

selan.8354:

u need…a lot of manpower…

Ohhhh! How do we do that?

dont sleep Xd ill stay up till 6am just to “meet” nnk.

TL;DR:

also they will build acs that can hit everywhere

Dont spend money you aren’t willing to lose. Upgrading is a suckers game. Anet does not reward defending and only rewards zergs and flipping things fast.

selan.8354:

btw nnk will attack the bl with the least upgrades first.

wrong ~~

they really need to implement the RGB type of teams instead of the current blowout coverage wars.

RGB overflow will probably fix coverage wars to a very good extent.

Dude, just transfer to a T1 server.

Let’s be honest..
Everything is in a rush…

Rush to get the newest skins.
Rush to finish your achievements before they dissapear.
Rush to not miss out on the new updates
Rush to tag the champion
Rush to not fall behind in distance and stats.
Rush to make it to the next boss in time
Rush to have the living story finished.
Rush to finish an unfinished game.
Rush to make gold
Rush to do nothing
Everybody is in a rush..
I would love to actually have time to look at my surroundings, find new places and observe my foe’s actions..

But everything in this game is in a rush..

Ah, I know how that feels. I am also on Ehmry Bay, playing at oceanic times. I don’t like to follow the zerg, so I run around either home borderlands or eternal battleground to upgrade keeps/towers/camps, refresh seige, repair walls and doors, escort dolyaks etc.

One time, I had fully upgraded a camp in eternal borderlands, was running supply from camp to a not-yet-fully-upgraded keep. On one trip back to the supply camp, I saw dredge attacking it. I was on my up-levelled guardian so I can speed up the dolyaks, but nowhere strong enough to fight off dredge, even with the help of NPC. I called for help, noone came because the keep was under attack. If I had been on my 80 ranger, I could’ve saved the camp myself. But no, not a single person came, I attempted to fight the dredge on my little guardian, inevitably died and watched as dredge claimed the camp. I ended up relogging onto my ranger to take back the camp.

Another time, I was busy upgrading all the keeps on home borderland. Most of the keeps were either fully upgraded or very close to it. But two keeps fell into enemy hands, leaving just garrison which I was working on upgrading. The main zerg was on eternal borderlands attacking enemy keeps or something. I gave a heads up that two keeps on our home borderlands have fallen and now they were headed to garrison. The commander that was online at the time decided it was not worth switching maps because reset was just a few hours away, and with just me and my juvenile stalker guarding garrison, it went the same way as the rest of the keeps on the map.

WvW can be very disheartening for a defender, but I have long since accepted that no one will help me defend the tower/keep that I have spent hours upgrading. I have countless examples of times where I had to flee a tower/keep because it was being attacked by an enemy zerg and I was the only one defending. But I will continue to run dolyaks and upgrade stuff because I believe that is the greatest contribution I could make towards the server’s WvW efforts because my characters are just not built for downing enemy players.

upgrading things a few hours before reset is a waste of time.

the hours before reset also happen to be the best time to join a karma/wxp train so go ahead and do that. why bother to defend when the enemy cannot possibly hold anything long enough to change the outcome of the match?

-ken

Goodness man, 22 pieces of siege? You seriously wasted a lot of time, effort and supply that you didn’t need to waste if you knew you didn’t have that many people around at night to defend it. I mean, you should have used your common sense and realized that.

Hey now. Like someone already said, it’s Coverage wars. That’s it.
I spent 2 hours straight walking dollys into CDBL Hills and fighting random roamers from Ebay and DB to get our WP built, knowing full well that as soon as DB logged on it would likely go away quickly.

I check the maps at work from time to time and love how after a hard fight all evening, everything is basically red, with Ebay and us ticking 80 to DB’s 500+.

Is it frustrating? I guess. I just go out with our group and take it out on DB when I see them. If you see a big golden norn smashing through your lines, that’s just me saying hello!

Also, just want to give a shout out to Ebay and DB for some great fights, but to the mesmer who keeps trying to die at Bay watergate to get a rez, grow a pair and do it the right way. Either hide or leave, exploiting a lame glitch like that, ruining someone else’s fun because they are now camping your body… lame.

Anet, just add a grate on the inside to create a large gap, or just get rid of the openings. That will stop that bs tactic.

Xavier.2176:

The game mode is seriously flawed when it takes hours of hard work to get a keep to Fortified status and sieged up, but it only takes 3 minutes to lose it…

And this pretty much sums up the problem of sieging and fortifying anything against a server that has superior coverage….

I don’t know the fix, but I do know there needs to be one.

etrigan.4213:

Xavier.2176:

The game mode is seriously flawed when it takes hours of hard work to get a keep to Fortified status and sieged up, but it only takes 3 minutes to lose it…

And this pretty much sums up the problem of sieging and fortifying anything against a server that has superior coverage….

I don’t know the fix, but I do know there needs to be one.

I doubt you know the feels being in FA in silver league.

Manbo.5403:

Also, just want to give a shout out to Ebay and DB for some great fights.

And to you sir! Some of the best battles and most fun I have had in a long time. Even though DB is dominating the match, CD and Ebay just never give up! That is admirable and you guys have earned my respect ten-fold.

Zephyrus.9680:

azizul.8469:

so basically the gold league should be the top 9 instead of the top 6……..

Basically not.

Platinum league should be BG, SoR, JQ. It’s nice to farm these servers but ppt-wise, any other match involving any of these ‘special’ servers is pointless.

Gold league should be TC, Mag, SoS, SBI, FA. TC doesn’t even quite fit anywhere but all the others are close to even matches.

I don’t know how the remaining servers should have been subdivided since I don’t have an idea of their power. Point is, it could have been done a lot better to make things semi-competitive at least.

Mag is actually rapidly approaching TC in power and organization.

Tiers should have never been removed. The fix should have been to allow more movement between tiers, even if that meant sometimes manually moving servers within matches when they began to stagnate in ratings despite consistent wins/losses.

Simple effective fixes seem to be anathema to ArenaNet, however. No modified Glicko math or special league competitions were necessary. One employee with the power to compare activity data across servers for a few hours a week and enough intelligence to interpret said data would have been more than sufficient to place servers in somewhat competitive matches.

Loki.4139:

selan.8354:

btw nnk will attack the bl with the least upgrades first.

wrong ~~

very true sry has always been like this with u guys. u attack the easier target first 90 percent of the time

LOL I saw NNK pvd inner CD garrison door in under 10 seconds