Guild Wars 2

there was a reason you guys turned them off. why are you creating the same opportunity to stack a server with no consequences? i feel like yall are rushing something into place to be able to say youre doing something without really thinking it through.

i dont want free transfers back. i want the whole transfer system to be based on wvw activity instead of total server activity, because the only bearing total server population has on wvw is whether or not a server can produce 50+ noobs people immediately by going to pve and spamming “hey guys _ has us outmanned come fight!”

i dont want free transfers back. i want the rating system in place to receive some attention. its going to become more and more evident that the current system is inadequate as the ratings spread further and further apart and servers start becoming trapped in the tiers theyre in. its already happening in t8, and is a sign of things to come. what happens when some t1 server hits 2300? 2400? because nothing is stopping the ratings from spreading further and further apart, increasing the average distance between each tier… and coagulating pairings. for better or worse. and with population shifts happening the way they are… for worse. i want a hard cap and floor on rating, and a soft reset any time a gap of 200+ rating occurs between 2 adjacent servers.

reinstating free transfers without basing them off wvw activity is … brutish, in my mind.

Alright…I don’t like that my post got merged…

Hi. What is the name, spoken language and size of your main oceanic guilds?

Thanks.

We have 3 Main oceanic ones, CV and SD both are around 250-300 and a smaller one FARM.

insanemaniac.2456:

reinstating free transfers without basing them off wvw activity is … brutish, in my mind.

Spot on, +1 to you.
ANet, don’t do this to us…. please!

ps: the only NA servers this currently applies to are ET, FC and HoD …which we can all agree have the lowest active WvW populations.

1) you have to considder the bigger picture. It’s not all about WvW, there’s also PvE and sPvP. Any server is at some sort of a disadvantage when it’s medium when you compare it to high or very high. The guesting has helped in this but it’s not like the temples in a low populated are open as many times as they are on higher populated servers. Opening transfers to Lower populated servers helps out those servers.

2) On another note, certain servers that are medium will now receive transfers from higher population this should spread out the population more and create more equality. However i do believe the lowest tier will receive less transfers so it might create a bigger gap between the lowest and second lowest but only in EU, it would probably be better for NA though.

Ilesyt.7084:

1) you have to considder the bigger picture. It’s not all about WvW, there’s also PvE and sPvP. Any server is at some sort of a disadvantage when it’s medium when you compare it to high or very high. The guesting has helped in this but it’s not like the temples in a low populated are open as many times as they are on higher populated servers. Opening transfers to Lower populated servers helps out those servers.

2) On another note, certain servers that are medium will now receive transfers from higher population this should spread out the population more and create more equality. However i do believe the lowest tier will receive less transfers so it might create a bigger gap between the lowest and second lowest but only in EU, it would probably be better for NA though.

Unless one or more unhappy servers that are high pop all rush to these lower servers this week and end up in the same situation as before with 2 different servers. We will see another kaining. This is a terrible idea. Not that there is anything wrong with KN, it’s just we could have another server get a lot of transfers and rush through the ranks like they did. This is not how to fix t8.

Question is why EU high servers are downgraded to medium?!

They changed how WvW works now, and they are giving people a chance to revisit how they stand in their current server, and allowing lower population servers to balance out a bit on the overall show.

In that avenue, it is a good move.

Nothing will fix T8 other then a Numbers reset, so I don’t think their intention with this was to “Fix” the Glicko Sinkhole of T8.

Straegen.2938:

Lets hope another Special K (Kaineng) situation doesn’t happen again.

I foresee a mass migration from SoS to a med pop server creating this situation again.

I bet cause every time they mess with culling it messes up the game and the top tier servers are going to be lagged out.

Ruprect.7260:

Straegen.2938:

Lets hope another Special K (Kaineng) situation doesn’t happen again.

I foresee a mass migration from SoS to a med pop server creating this situation again.

SOS doesn’t really have the population anymore to push a medium pop server up out of the lower ranks.

Ilesyt.7084:

2) On another note, certain servers that are medium will now receive transfers from higher population this should spread out the population more and create more equality. However i do believe the lowest tier will receive less transfers so it might create a bigger gap between the lowest and second lowest but only in EU, it would probably be better for NA though.

ppl from lower tier 8 servers will bandwagon to a higher tier, especially the newers wvw players that want to win. thats why free transfers screwed us in the first place. its gonna happen again. just watch the forums for the new QQ t8 threads

fivekiller.1432:

Ruprect.7260:

Straegen.2938:

Lets hope another Special K (Kaineng) situation doesn’t happen again.

I foresee a mass migration from SoS to a med pop server creating this situation again.

SOS doesn’t really have the population anymore to push a medium pop server up out of the lower ranks.

They are high pop and probably will still be competitive in t4. If most of their WvW guilds moved down to say HoD, we could possible see another KN situation.

Gyuforce.8291:

Ilesyt.7084:

2) On another note, certain servers that are medium will now receive transfers from higher population this should spread out the population more and create more equality. However i do believe the lowest tier will receive less transfers so it might create a bigger gap between the lowest and second lowest but only in EU, it would probably be better for NA though.

ppl from lower tier 8 servers will bandwagon to a higher tier, especially the newers wvw players that want to win. thats why free transfers screwed us in the first place. its gonna happen again. just watch the forums for the new QQ t8 threads

Except that it’s not gonna happen like that because the free transfers are only to med pop servers, in NA being ET, HoD and FC the only ones at time to be medium.

Ruprect.7260:

fivekiller.1432:

Ruprect.7260:

Straegen.2938:

Lets hope another Special K (Kaineng) situation doesn’t happen again.

I foresee a mass migration from SoS to a med pop server creating this situation again.

SOS doesn’t really have the population anymore to push a medium pop server up out of the lower ranks.

They are high pop and probably will still be competitive in t4. If most of their WvW guilds moved down to say HoD, we could possible see another KN situation.

??
KN pulled players from not just a T4 server but a premier guild from a T1 server along with other guilds from all over.

It takes a lot more to push to T2 than just a few guilds from a T4 server.

You have to factor in that even if several large SOS guilds move, not all of their members will move with them and .. well, a couple of guilds from a T4 server really just don’t have that much of an impact to take a server to T2.

The patch meant to save WvW, just might be the patch that destroys WvW if another server gets a load of transfers, and destroys many servers fun, as they climb towards the top.

That is assuming only SoS guilds move. This could cause a real mess for WvW for a while.

I hope this helps the situation in tier 8.

I guess i’m just one of the few people who isn’t worried about mass transfers to FC or ET lol.

I would guess those server will see more attrition than influx over the next few months. But thats just a guess.

Nothing has really been done to address the reasons people aren’t playing on those servers in the first place. I don’t see most of the population as just sitting around wishing we had the cash to move to Ferguson’s Crossing.

There were so many good ideas from players on how to fix the Glicko Ghetto, the best of which were a soft rating reset and setting a ceiling/floor on the ratings. Instead, ArenaNet reintroduces free server transfers, which was what caused the problem in the first place.

To say I’m miffed is a complete understatement. There are only three NA servers who will benefit from this free offer…ET, FC and HoD. Our server has been busting their kittens and dominating the T8 for TWO months straight to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto and break out of T8 into T7. When the end is finally somewhat in our sight, ANet pulls the rug out from under Sorrow’s Furnace by giving free server transfers to our enemies (ET/FC) and the very server we’ve been ever so desperately trying to swap places with (HoD). Two bloody months of effort completely down the drain. Thanks ArenaNet for this lovely “reward” for our efforts!

ArenaNet, free server transfers CAUSED the Glicko Ghetto problem. It’s not going to fix it. It just shifts the problem to other servers.

P.S. It’ll be rather interesting to see how things pan out across the pond in EU…the strongest EU WvW server is reportedly a medium population server. When will ANet wrap their heads around the fact that overall server population does not necessarily correlate to WvW population? Considering server transfers pretty much only relate to WvW now that guesting is in effect, transfer prices (and free transfer offers) should always have been based on WvW ranking, not overall server population.

even if it helps T8 its just gonna cause another T8 with the same problems but different servers within a few weeks.

also mass transfers to HoD would be hilarious because it would gate T8 even harder(actually kinda hoping for it lol……t8 tears nomnomnomnomnom)

Manoa.5897:

ANet pulls the rug out from under Sorrow’s Furnace by giving free server transfers to our enemies (ET/FC) and the very server we’ve been ever so desperately trying to swap places with (HoD). Two bloody months of effort completely down the drain. Thanks ArenaNet for this lovely “reward” for our efforts!

So what I get from this is that you care more about SF leaving T8 than you do about making T8 more competitive.

I think with the new guild mission you will see people not moving. Maybe large guilds will but mid to small sides guilds will not want to start over with unlocking.

fivekiller.1432:

You have to factor in that even if several large SOS guilds move, not all of their members will move with them and .. well, a couple of guilds from a T4 server really just don’t have that much of an impact to take a server to T2.

^^ This. I’m from Kain, and we were only one piece of the situation (our guild), but it took the might of many guilds from all brackets to make an impact and change.

Serious, when we all migrated initially it was very dead, but wasn’t long before things got rolling again. Farming Orr was very non-existant, only wvw existed quite popular. It all balanced out on route, and the wvw is just… fun. The people, the skill, the battles … the fight. All fun. But took so many guilds who worked together. Even in real tough times (where guilds opinions collided)… takes alot of patience and work, and planning.

Not a whaam bam its k2 man. I think the initial rooster comprised of somewhere between 10+ variations of guilds, and ‘active’ guild recruiting all along the way.

Personally feel very thankful to all those who worked it out together, yep, I’m talking to all you GL’s and commanders out there. you guys made a fun server.

To say SoS could with all their guilds, isn’t going to happen. Needs many guilds because the initial path is very challenging. And trying on your patience. To everyone who experienced it, on both sides of the fence.

And recreating all your unlocks … is not fun

Especially now with guild missions and base requirements of those for access. Commendations, I likes more pls.

People will probably move to Piken Square thinking “ZOMG medium pop server, we have to help it to tier 2 and even tier 1, they need us!!!!!!!”.

Yeah. T2 with bandwagoners was the worst experience ever for every guild in Piken except the ones that transfered to the enemy side in order to go to T1.

It is possible the top tiers are going to see some insane queues again with this patch (how long they will last is the real question tho) so I think this week of free transfers is a way to preemptively address those whines while trying to get a bit more population balance in the lower tiers. I think worlds making dramatic rises to the top or crumbling on a whim are going to be a part of this game regardless of free transfers or not, it is human nature to flock or flee, ANET can’t do much about that.

There is also a chance that the culling fix means they have to monkey around with WvW map population caps again which could also make for longer term insane queues in the top tiers. It is nice to have options but I don’t think anyone, ANET included, knows what this patch is going to do for WvW population or world pops in general. For me it is a wait and see time and I don’t think I’ll know much more by April 1st. Funny that it falls on April Fool’s Day tho since ANET is so famous for their awesome April Fools jokes.

To kuora.5402: Speaking for the SEA & oceanic guilds in HoD – spoken language is English. Even though people get on voice chat with varying accents/slangs, we don’t seem to have a communication problem. It’s nice to have a good mix of cultures and timezones.

Also… we may have a smaller population than most servers, but we are holding our own in WvW vs two “Very High” populated servers. If that alone is possible, imagine what we could do with more players?

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8071/winningv.jpg

^ image was just taken today.

Psychatog.8246:

even if it helps T8 its just gonna cause another T8 with the same problems but different servers within a few weeks.

also mass transfers to HoD would be hilarious because it would gate T8 even harder(actually kinda hoping for it lol……t8 tears nomnomnomnomnom)

It’d probably help the T8 problems actually. All the servers in T7 right now are really tight on rating, and a dominating performance would kick the other two down 50-100 points, putting them much closer than HoD presently is.

That said, I hope it doesn’t happen for the sake of the server I’m on. I rather like where our WvW is right now, and our tier is very balanced – which is a good thing.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Manoa.5897:

ANet pulls the rug out from under Sorrow’s Furnace by giving free server transfers to our enemies (ET/FC) and the very server we’ve been ever so desperately trying to swap places with (HoD). Two bloody months of effort completely down the drain. Thanks ArenaNet for this lovely “reward” for our efforts!

So what I get from this is that you care more about SF leaving T8 than you do about making T8 more competitive.

I want to see the frickin’ math fixed. No server should have to dominate for TWO MONTHS straight just for the sliver of a hope to go up a tier. No server who is dominating for TWO MONTHS straight should fear risk of LOOSING rating if they “underperform,” yet still dominate. No server should have to hope for TWO MONTHS straight that a higher ranked server fails so utterly that they drop into the tier, because that’s the only hope you have of bumping up to the next tier (no matter how well you perform). And no server should endure domination for TWO MONTHS for the sliver of a hope that they get to see some different competition that may help their tier be more competitive.

This doesn’t FIX the problem. It just PERPETUATES the problem and shifts the problem to different servers.

I do want to see T8 become more competitive for the sake of our opponents (and our server, since we’re now stuck here indefinitely). But I most certainly didn’t want to see two months worth of effort completely flushed down the drain either.

well ok, now the thread is merged, so a moderator at least has read it… has a dev? why do habib and mike think moar free transfers are a good design decision?

insanemaniac.2456:

well ok, now the thread is merged, so a moderator at least has read it… has a dev? why do habib and mike think moar free transfers are a good design decision?

I’m just guessing but I think they are hoping to spread out population and help the low population servers get more players. While there are no guarantees they are being optimistic.

Sure bad things could happen but one gains nothing by always being a pessimist.