Guild Wars 2

This has to be a bug… hitting a DH with an AC shouldn’t set the AC on fire. Makes defending against a stronger force near impossible.

It may be a rune of the guardian or Amplified wrath ?

Yep it’s the Guardian Rune and Amplified Wrath Combined that causes the interaction

Oh you’re constantly sitting on an AC despite burning? Somehow I dont feel bad for you.

AC killer guards are wonderful things.

Do not forget nerco can do it too now with frost aura : )

This seems like an unintended consequence of making conditions affect siege. Since Retaliation doesn’t hit them anymore, this will likely be patched in the future.

Of course, there’s no way to know for sure if it’s a bug or not unless Anet says something. Hopefully they fix it or speak up before people get too used to having it around.

Sviel.7493:

This seems like an unintended consequence of making conditions affect siege. Since Retaliation doesn’t hit them anymore, this will likely be patched in the future.

Of course, there’s no way to know for sure if it’s a bug or not unless Anet says something. Hopefully they fix it or speak up before people get too used to having it around.

It won’t let you solo a raid boss so I wouldn’t hold my breath expecting it to be changed anytime soon.

Dawdler.8521:

Oh you’re constantly sitting on an AC despite burning? Somehow I dont feel bad for you.

I guess 50 players building a half dozen rams to take down a gate against half their numbers with no line of defense is a good thing.

Straegen.2938:

I guess 50 players building a half dozen rams to take down a gate against half their numbers…

Actually it is fine, one of the reasons WvW has died off is because they listened to people who lack basic logic and cried about needing tools to defend against superior numbers, so they added siege like shield gens, buffed AC damage, fortified everything, put in trash mechanics like chilling fog, etc.

And all that achieved was more people leaving the game in the post-HoT collapse of WvW, because if 10 guys can use that crap against 50, then so can 50 defending against 50 attackers and make attempting to take objectives boring as hell, to the point most people do not want to do it anymore, but like I said that was the obvious outcome to anyone with a basic grasp of logic, the actual solution to defending against 50 players with 25 was to address population balance, but that involved too much work.

Anet will patch this. They love their siege humpers. Ac’s and mortars are already aids enough.

zinkz.7045:

Straegen.2938:

I guess 50 players building a half dozen rams to take down a gate against half their numbers…

Actually it is fine, one of the reasons WvW has died off is because they listened to people who lack basic logic and cried about needing tools to defend against superior numbers, so they added siege like shield gens, buffed AC damage, fortified everything, put in trash mechanics like chilling fog, etc.

And all that achieved was more people leaving the game in the post-HoT collapse of WvW, because if 10 guys can use that crap against 50, then so can 50 defending against 50 attackers and make attempting to take objectives boring as hell, to the point most people do not want to do it anymore, but like I said that was the obvious outcome to anyone with a basic grasp of logic, the actual solution to defending against 50 players with 25 was to address population balance, but that involved too much work.

They didn’t add these things because people complained. They added them because the developers’ conception for WvW is a game based around the taking and defending of structures by the implementation and use of siege machinery. That’s what WvW is.

Very hard to look at the way the game mode has been handled over the entire life of the game and make a case for it being intended to be anything other than that, much though many players would like it to be something else.

Tiny Doom.4380:

They didn’t add these things because people complained. They added them because the developers’ conception for WvW is a game based around the taking and defending of structures by the implementation and use of siege machinery. That’s what WvW is.

Very hard to look at the way the game mode has been handled over the entire life of the game and make a case for it being intended to be anything other than that, much though many players would like it to be something else.

Most of the developers that conceived WvW do not even work for the company anymore, let alone work on WvW, and the conception was “massive battles”, now maybe “massive battles” meant 8 players on siege the rest standing around doing very little, then going on a resupply run and repeating that until you either eventually get in and maybe get a fight or die of boredom, but I doubt it.

And “massive battles” (much more frequently in keeps/garri than now) is what happened for the first 3 years where changes to siege/defense were relatively minor (and in fact some changes like the increased radius on siege attacks from WvW ranks basically showed a disregard for maps designed for the original siege ranges).

Then HoT happened…

zinkz.7045:

Which is what happened for the first 3 years where changes to siege/defense were relatively minor

Ironic in regards to the topic, siege changes where minor except for arrowcarts which first saw a nerf due to community demand and shortly after they boosted AC damage instead by like 100% which has stuck with us despite complaints every kittening day.

Edit: for fun I dug up Anets balance patch to ACs… “minor” yeah

Increased arrow-cart damage:
Increased Fire damage by 80%.
Increased Fire Crippling Arrows damage by 17%.
Increased Fire Barbed Arrows damage by 60% and increased the Bleed duration to 15^^seconds.

(Same patch also added extra mastery damage – the above is in addition to that)

Dawdler.8521:

zinkz.7045:

Which is what happened for the first 3 years where changes to siege/defense were relatively minor

Ironic in regards to the topic, siege changes where minor except for arrowcarts which first saw a nerf due to community demand and shortly after they boosted AC damage instead by like 100% which has stuck with us despite complaints every kittening day.

Edit: for fun I dug up Anets balance patch to ACs… “minor” yeah

Increased arrow-cart damage:
Increased Fire damage by 80%.
Increased Fire Crippling Arrows damage by 17%.
Increased Fire Barbed Arrows damage by 60% and increased the Bleed duration to 15^^seconds.

(Same patch also added extra mastery damage – the above is in addition to that)

The range of ac’s was also increased, nerfed in a later patch. Cata’s weren’t safe even on max range lol.

Well something needs to counter YB.

Tiny Doom.4380:

zinkz.7045:

Straegen.2938:

I guess 50 players building a half dozen rams to take down a gate against half their numbers…

Actually it is fine, one of the reasons WvW has died off is because they listened to people who lack basic logic and cried about needing tools to defend against superior numbers, so they added siege like shield gens, buffed AC damage, fortified everything, put in trash mechanics like chilling fog, etc.

And all that achieved was more people leaving the game in the post-HoT collapse of WvW, because if 10 guys can use that crap against 50, then so can 50 defending against 50 attackers and make attempting to take objectives boring as hell, to the point most people do not want to do it anymore, but like I said that was the obvious outcome to anyone with a basic grasp of logic, the actual solution to defending against 50 players with 25 was to address population balance, but that involved too much work.

They didn’t add these things because people complained. They added them because the developers’ conception for WvW is a game based around the taking and defending of structures by the implementation and use of siege machinery. That’s what WvW is.

Very hard to look at the way the game mode has been handled over the entire life of the game and make a case for it being intended to be anything other than that, much though many players would like it to be something else.

nah people complained for it….

he was right tho, people wanted tools to use when 10 was vs 50, but it ended up being 50 people using those tools against the 10. So those small 10 man guilds quit the game.

WvW used to be about being in a WvW guild with guild raids to help the server, even PvE guilds had daily/weekly WvW raids and you would witness a 50 man guild raiding a map for an hour or 2 while the dedicated WvW guilds of 10-15 would hunt them. Everyone used their skill bar, not the ac’s and siege. (although siege wasn’t even on the trading post at that time, you had to earn your siege and make choices on when to build it because badges were scarce)

Yeah, it’s a build that’s been around. I played with it in EOTM a couple times. It’s hilarious. I even think a version of the build was on Metabattle. Or could still be. It’s trolly, yea, but so are using ACs, Mortars and other siege on players then. It’s actually a good tactic. Burn should work on siege. IMO not a problem. But then should siege be able to have resistance? Idk, it’s something to talk about though. If siege didn’t hurt players, maybe I’d think differently about the tactic?

Buua buaaa my arrow cart is broken, what can i do know!!??

Where meteor shower can not hit, the burn masoquist guardian can reach

you can always just give your arrow cart resistance

that build is great and damage for AC is absurd.

ACs damage should be nerfed to the underground. Where Dante ended up if possible.

Now I want someone to post a video of an AC melting to an enemy guardian heavy zerg.
kitten got lit up.

~ Kovu

zinkz.7045:

Actually it is fine, one of the reasons WvW has died off is because they listened to people who lack basic logic and cried about needing tools to defend against superior numbers, so they added siege like shield gens, buffed AC damage, fortified everything, put in trash mechanics like chilling fog, etc.

Shield gens are actually more offensive than defensive. EWP and Invuln created more fights by giving players a chance to respond. The supply tactic is solid. Chilling Fog nor Air Defense stops a superior force and rarely even slows them down. At best they give an advantage in even numbers for a minute or so. They gutted SMC stealth. All the banners are now meh. Of course all the tactics are often trolled in such a way that makes them completely pointless.

Basically none of what you are talking about had a substantial effect on the attack methods of a superior force with the exception of shield gens which as noted made it EASIER.

Back to the topic on hand, there is little counter siege against rams except ACs. Using a trait that auto-magically destroys ACs (but no other siege) is a poor design.

Straegen.2938:

zinkz.7045:

Actually it is fine, one of the reasons WvW has died off is because they listened to people who lack basic logic and cried about needing tools to defend against superior numbers, so they added siege like shield gens, buffed AC damage, fortified everything, put in trash mechanics like chilling fog, etc.

Shield gens are actually more offensive than defensive. EWP and Invuln created more fights by giving players a chance to respond. The supply tactic is solid. Chilling Fog nor Air Defense stops a superior force and rarely even slows them down. At best they give an advantage in even numbers for a minute or so. They gutted SMC stealth. All the banners are now meh. Of course all the tactics are often trolled in such a way that makes them completely pointless.

Basically none of what you are talking about had a substantial effect on the attack methods of a superior force with the exception of shield gens which as noted made it EASIER.

Back to the topic on hand, there is little counter siege against rams except ACs. Using a trait that auto-magically destroys ACs (but no other siege) is a poor design.

All of those would be fine if you could only use them in outnumbered situations. As it stands now it’s just made it more effective to form 1 giant blob and have 3 or 4 people spread out to pull tactivators to delay any small group that attacks.