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An interesting point there, what do you give/upgrade/add to a game, when the main content are other players ?
If they have a game, that is balanced (close enough), and have a RvR function that is function-able but not perfect. If they want to sell more or sell expansion packs etc, or make players pay for more, what do you give them ?
Curious since the ones I’ve seen or heard about seems to have gone pretty bad once they start expanding on them. At some point people just don’t care about more skins and toys they can’t use in wvw anyways
I don’t miss the monthly sub at all, and I don’t really think it has affected the games that much….sure, f2p is quite limited in most games, but once you buy the game everything is cool. I frankly hope to never see monthly subs again, altho I like some of the games’ idea of having a premium sort of membership for those that want to have a monthly fee and some added extras/bonuses for their character. Eso’s premium membership is an interesting example.
And as long as GW2 is still fun to play, I’ll be here.
I miss it, and it has changed them for the worst, you use to get everything in the game including cosmetics lets not pretend games like eq1 didnt have glowing weapons either and awesome looking mounts.
I hated eq1. The death penalties alone were enough to make me quit that game. I had a good friend who loved it, and I constantly shook my head when he couldn’t come out for a couple beers because he had scheduled some 4-6 hour long time period to join some eq1 friends for some silly raid/boss battles in eq1……lol. (Tequatl in GW2 is pretty much the limit for me anymore for a ‘long’ boss battle) I like shinies just like the next guy, but they don’t make or break the game for me…lol. After all, in the end, they’re just pixels.
Some of the many reasons why I love GW2. No death penalties or mind numbing multiple hour long boss battles and such. Just fun at whatever pace I happen to be in the mood for when I play. A wonderful diversion after the 9-5 day.
And, probably the reason behind my first paragraph of this post is that I was already into my 40s when mmorpgs really started to become ‘the thing’. If I had played those games when I had been in my late teens and/or early 20s, my attitude probably would have been a lot different. Space Invaders and Missile Command were the arcade games of choice when I was in my early 20s. Yea, that dates me, but also probably explains my attitude about mmorpgs now. (Altho I did get pretty serious about DaoC for quite some time)
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I don’t miss the monthly sub at all, and I don’t really think it has affected the games that much….sure, f2p is quite limited in most games, but once you buy the game everything is cool. I frankly hope to never see monthly subs again, altho I like some of the games’ idea of having a premium sort of membership for those that want to have a monthly fee and some added extras/bonuses for their character. Eso’s premium membership is an interesting example.
And as long as GW2 is still fun to play, I’ll be here.
I miss it, and it has changed them for the worst, you use to get everything in the game including cosmetics lets not pretend games like eq1 didnt have glowing weapons either and awesome looking mounts.
I hated eq1. The death penalties alone were enough to make me quit that game. I had a good friend who loved it, and I constantly shook my head when he couldn’t come out for a couple beers because he had scheduled some 4-6 hour long time period to join some eq1 friends for some silly raid/boss battles in eq1……lol. (Tequatl in GW2 is pretty much the limit for me anymore for a ‘long’ boss battle) I like shinies just like the next guy, but they don’t make or break the game for me…lol. After all, in the end, they’re just pixels.
Some of the many reasons why I love GW2. No death penalties or mind numbing multiple hour long boss battles and such. Just fun at whatever pace I happen to be in the mood for when I play. A wonderful diversion after the 9-5 day.
And, probably the reason behind my first paragraph of this post is that I was already into my 40s when mmorpgs really started to become ‘the thing’. If I had played those games when I had been in my late teens and/or early 20s, my attitude probably would have been a lot different. Space Invaders and Missile Command were the arcade games of choice when I was in my early 20s. Yea, that dates me, but also probably explains my attitude about mmorpgs now. (Altho I did get pretty serious about DaoC for quite some time)
I agree that eq had to much penality but it did make it really rewarding as well, but if anything mmo worlds have gone way way way to easy, no mystery, no danger, and it certainly makes worlds feel less alive you know? There where many other reasons to love eq, your class actually mattered, your role mattered, unique classes, loads of classes, deep group mechanics, the community relied on each others buffs and for a while teleport ability to get around or escorts from bard speed! The list goes on, eq1 had the best group experience ive had in an mmorpg, I would think city of heroes did it better if it wasnt for the shallow content it had. As far as team mechanics, classes, and customization went coh was light years ahead then any current mmorpg right now.
My point was in older mmos you would get everything for paying that 15 a month, I understand that for now thats the way it is and I accept that mmorpgs have changed this, but it doesnt mean a 15 a month mmorpg cannot do well, im pretty sure eve still is going strong.
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I don’t miss the monthly sub at all, and I don’t really think it has affected the games that much….sure, f2p is quite limited in most games, but once you buy the game everything is cool. I frankly hope to never see monthly subs again, altho I like some of the games’ idea of having a premium sort of membership for those that want to have a monthly fee and some added extras/bonuses for their character. Eso’s premium membership is an interesting example.
And as long as GW2 is still fun to play, I’ll be here.
I miss it, and it has changed them for the worst, you use to get everything in the game including cosmetics lets not pretend games like eq1 didnt have glowing weapons either and awesome looking mounts.
I hated eq1. The death penalties alone were enough to make me quit that game. I had a good friend who loved it, and I constantly shook my head when he couldn’t come out for a couple beers because he had scheduled some 4-6 hour long time period to join some eq1 friends for some silly raid/boss battles in eq1……lol. (Tequatl in GW2 is pretty much the limit for me anymore for a ‘long’ boss battle) I like shinies just like the next guy, but they don’t make or break the game for me…lol. After all, in the end, they’re just pixels.
Some of the many reasons why I love GW2. No death penalties or mind numbing multiple hour long boss battles and such. Just fun at whatever pace I happen to be in the mood for when I play. A wonderful diversion after the 9-5 day.
And, probably the reason behind my first paragraph of this post is that I was already into my 40s when mmorpgs really started to become ‘the thing’. If I had played those games when I had been in my late teens and/or early 20s, my attitude probably would have been a lot different. Space Invaders and Missile Command were the arcade games of choice when I was in my early 20s. Yea, that dates me, but also probably explains my attitude about mmorpgs now. (Altho I did get pretty serious about DaoC for quite some time)
I agree that eq had to much penality but it did make it really rewarding as well, but if anything mmo worlds have gone way way way to easy, no mystery, no danger, and it certainly makes worlds feel less alive you know? There where many other reasons to love eq, your class actually mattered, your role mattered, unique classes, loads of classes, deep group mechanics, the community relied on each others buffs and for a while teleport ability to get around or escorts from bard speed! The list goes on, eq1 had the best group experience ive had in an mmorpg, I would think city of heroes did it better if it wasnt for the shallow content it had. As far as team mechanics, classes, and customization went coh was light years ahead then any current mmorpg right now.
My point was in older mmos you would get everything for paying that 15 a month, I understand that for now thats the way it is and I accept that mmorpgs have changed this, but it doesnt mean a 15 a month mmorpg cannot do well, im pretty sure eve still is going strong.
You make some very interesting points. You sound similar to my friend that loved EQ1. I got into DaoC for similar reasons, but for the fabulous wvw/rvr…..my EQ friend never liked that aspect of DaoC. I, however, loved it.
But that was then. Progression back then was like watching grass grow. I DID get into it, as DaoC back then was almost as slow as EQ1. And yea, when you hit the top level, that was a HUGE deal. Your guildies rejoiced, players in game congratulated you…..it WAS a big deal. But I don’t miss that anymore.
And yea, CoH was a very cool game. It had a ton of potential, but the content was severely lacking. I enjoyed that game, and would have continued with it had it gotten close to its potential.
But not anymore. I enjoy the casual style now, no death penalties, no hours long boss battles, no ToA to be sure you are at your peak for wvw……I find now that I still feel a sense of accomplishment without all the absurd penalties and jaw droppingly slow progress. Life is different now, so my priorities for a game are, as well.
That is the problem I currently have with ESO……the game has real potential, but progression reminds me of the older mmorpgs, even with the premium account and permanent xp boost. I doubt if I will last long enough to really get into the pvp/wvw that that game has.
It is just a case of me getting older and my priorities changing. I really don’t want hardcore anymore. I don’t want to buy a game for that, and I have no desire to do that again. There are plenty of absurd, grindy Asian games out there for those that want grindy, hardcore, etc…..
It is nice to have one mmorpg that caters to the casuals…..finally.
That is why both me and my wife enjoy GW2 so much. Unless something drastically changes, I imagine that we’ll be here for years to come.
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I don’t miss the monthly sub at all, and I don’t really think it has affected the games that much….sure, f2p is quite limited in most games, but once you buy the game everything is cool. I frankly hope to never see monthly subs again, altho I like some of the games’ idea of having a premium sort of membership for those that want to have a monthly fee and some added extras/bonuses for their character. Eso’s premium membership is an interesting example.
And as long as GW2 is still fun to play, I’ll be here.
I miss it, and it has changed them for the worst, you use to get everything in the game including cosmetics lets not pretend games like eq1 didnt have glowing weapons either and awesome looking mounts.
I hated eq1. The death penalties alone were enough to make me quit that game. I had a good friend who loved it, and I constantly shook my head when he couldn’t come out for a couple beers because he had scheduled some 4-6 hour long time period to join some eq1 friends for some silly raid/boss battles in eq1……lol. (Tequatl in GW2 is pretty much the limit for me anymore for a ‘long’ boss battle) I like shinies just like the next guy, but they don’t make or break the game for me…lol. After all, in the end, they’re just pixels.
Some of the many reasons why I love GW2. No death penalties or mind numbing multiple hour long boss battles and such. Just fun at whatever pace I happen to be in the mood for when I play. A wonderful diversion after the 9-5 day.
And, probably the reason behind my first paragraph of this post is that I was already into my 40s when mmorpgs really started to become ‘the thing’. If I had played those games when I had been in my late teens and/or early 20s, my attitude probably would have been a lot different. Space Invaders and Missile Command were the arcade games of choice when I was in my early 20s. Yea, that dates me, but also probably explains my attitude about mmorpgs now. (Altho I did get pretty serious about DaoC for quite some time)
I agree that eq had to much penality but it did make it really rewarding as well, but if anything mmo worlds have gone way way way to easy, no mystery, no danger, and it certainly makes worlds feel less alive you know? There where many other reasons to love eq, your class actually mattered, your role mattered, unique classes, loads of classes, deep group mechanics, the community relied on each others buffs and for a while teleport ability to get around or escorts from bard speed! The list goes on, eq1 had the best group experience ive had in an mmorpg, I would think city of heroes did it better if it wasnt for the shallow content it had. As far as team mechanics, classes, and customization went coh was light years ahead then any current mmorpg right now.
My point was in older mmos you would get everything for paying that 15 a month, I understand that for now thats the way it is and I accept that mmorpgs have changed this, but it doesnt mean a 15 a month mmorpg cannot do well, im pretty sure eve still is going strong.
You make some very interesting points. You sound similar to my friend that loved EQ1. I got into DaoC for similar reasons, but for the fabulous wvw/rvr…..my EQ friend never liked that aspect of DaoC. I, however, loved it.
But that was then. Progression back then was like watching grass grow. I DID get into it, as DaoC back then was almost as slow as EQ1. And yea, when you hit the top level, that was a HUGE deal. Your guildies rejoiced, players in game congratulated you…..it WAS a big deal. But I don’t miss that anymore.
And yea, CoH was a very cool game. It had a ton of potential, but the content was severely lacking. I enjoyed that game, and would have continued with it had it gotten close to its potential.
But not anymore. I enjoy the casual style now, no death penalties, no hours long boss battles, no ToA to be sure you are at your peak for wvw……I find now that I still feel a sense of accomplishment without all the absurd penalties and jaw droppingly slow progress. Life is different now, so my priorities for a game are, as well.
That is the problem I currently have with ESO……the game has real potential, but progression reminds me of the older mmorpgs, even with the premium account and permanent xp boost. I doubt if I will last long enough to really get into the pvp/wvw that that game has.
It is just a case of me getting older and my priorities changing. I really don’t want hardcore anymore. I don’t want to buy a game for that, and I have no desire to do that again. There are plenty of absurd, grindy Asian games out there for those that want grindy, hardcore, etc…..
It is nice to have one mmorpg that caters to the casuals…..finally.
That is why both me and my wife enjoy GW2 so much. Unless something drastically changes, I imagine that we’ll be here for years to come.
I have proroties to as well but you cannot compare older mmos to eso, I think your confusing the journey with endgame which are two seperate things, hardly any mmorpgs have anything about the journey anymore except eso, regardless of how busy we are you will get to max level, your not going to get max level in a month, do you not like regular rpgs? I dont understand whats so bad about slowler leveling as long as you get new stuff while you level its great. Anyone can play games like skyrim casually same goes for eso.
Now eq was a bit much im not saying it wasnt, not sure if you understood me before but im saying this again. But it doesnt mean you need no consequences for death or mistakes in general, rpgs are suppose to be about progression and sense of reward.
I don’t miss the monthly sub at all, and I don’t really think it has affected the games that much….sure, f2p is quite limited in most games, but once you buy the game everything is cool. I frankly hope to never see monthly subs again, altho I like some of the games’ idea of having a premium sort of membership for those that want to have a monthly fee and some added extras/bonuses for their character. Eso’s premium membership is an interesting example.
And as long as GW2 is still fun to play, I’ll be here.
I miss it, and it has changed them for the worst, you use to get everything in the game including cosmetics lets not pretend games like eq1 didnt have glowing weapons either and awesome looking mounts.
I hated eq1. The death penalties alone were enough to make me quit that game. I had a good friend who loved it, and I constantly shook my head when he couldn’t come out for a couple beers because he had scheduled some 4-6 hour long time period to join some eq1 friends for some silly raid/boss battles in eq1……lol. (Tequatl in GW2 is pretty much the limit for me anymore for a ‘long’ boss battle) I like shinies just like the next guy, but they don’t make or break the game for me…lol. After all, in the end, they’re just pixels.
Some of the many reasons why I love GW2. No death penalties or mind numbing multiple hour long boss battles and such. Just fun at whatever pace I happen to be in the mood for when I play. A wonderful diversion after the 9-5 day.
And, probably the reason behind my first paragraph of this post is that I was already into my 40s when mmorpgs really started to become ‘the thing’. If I had played those games when I had been in my late teens and/or early 20s, my attitude probably would have been a lot different. Space Invaders and Missile Command were the arcade games of choice when I was in my early 20s. Yea, that dates me, but also probably explains my attitude about mmorpgs now. (Altho I did get pretty serious about DaoC for quite some time)
I agree that eq had to much penality but it did make it really rewarding as well, but if anything mmo worlds have gone way way way to easy, no mystery, no danger, and it certainly makes worlds feel less alive you know? There where many other reasons to love eq, your class actually mattered, your role mattered, unique classes, loads of classes, deep group mechanics, the community relied on each others buffs and for a while teleport ability to get around or escorts from bard speed! The list goes on, eq1 had the best group experience ive had in an mmorpg, I would think city of heroes did it better if it wasnt for the shallow content it had. As far as team mechanics, classes, and customization went coh was light years ahead then any current mmorpg right now.
My point was in older mmos you would get everything for paying that 15 a month, I understand that for now thats the way it is and I accept that mmorpgs have changed this, but it doesnt mean a 15 a month mmorpg cannot do well, im pretty sure eve still is going strong.
You make some very interesting points. You sound similar to my friend that loved EQ1. I got into DaoC for similar reasons, but for the fabulous wvw/rvr…..my EQ friend never liked that aspect of DaoC. I, however, loved it.
But that was then. Progression back then was like watching grass grow. I DID get into it, as DaoC back then was almost as slow as EQ1. And yea, when you hit the top level, that was a HUGE deal. Your guildies rejoiced, players in game congratulated you…..it WAS a big deal. But I don’t miss that anymore.
And yea, CoH was a very cool game. It had a ton of potential, but the content was severely lacking. I enjoyed that game, and would have continued with it had it gotten close to its potential.
But not anymore. I enjoy the casual style now, no death penalties, no hours long boss battles, no ToA to be sure you are at your peak for wvw……I find now that I still feel a sense of accomplishment without all the absurd penalties and jaw droppingly slow progress. Life is different now, so my priorities for a game are, as well.
That is the problem I currently have with ESO……the game has real potential, but progression reminds me of the older mmorpgs, even with the premium account and permanent xp boost. I doubt if I will last long enough to really get into the pvp/wvw that that game has.
It is just a case of me getting older and my priorities changing. I really don’t want hardcore anymore. I don’t want to buy a game for that, and I have no desire to do that again. There are plenty of absurd, grindy Asian games out there for those that want grindy, hardcore, etc…..
It is nice to have one mmorpg that caters to the casuals…..finally.
That is why both me and my wife enjoy GW2 so much. Unless something drastically changes, I imagine that we’ll be here for years to come.
I have proroties to as well but you cannot compare older mmos to eso, I think your confusing the journey with endgame which are two seperate things, hardly any mmorpgs have anything about the journey anymore except eso, regardless of how busy we are you will get to max level, your not going to get max level in a month, do you not like regular rpgs? I dont understand whats so bad about slowler leveling as long as you get new stuff while you level its great. Anyone can play games like skyrim casually same goes for eso.
Now eq was a bit much im not saying it wasnt, not sure if you understood me before but im saying this again. But it doesnt mean you need no consequences for death or mistakes in general, rpgs are suppose to be about progression and sense of reward.
First off, just to be clear, when I am speaking of priorities, I am speaking more of game priorities rather than life priorities.
I just have a different view about mmorpgs than you do. I think it is as simple as that. I don’t neeed or even want to get to max level really quick. It is just that the journey, especially after playing so many mmorpgs, is so similar in all of them. Pretty much the same formula(with or without death penalties), that I just don’t get the same sort of excitement out of them that I used to. It is not so much the games as it is me.
Yea, the journey can be interesting, to a point. The rewards? I just don’t see them as rewards anymore. It is just a game to me, and the ‘rewards’ translate into higher points of progression and/or some new shiney for doing some structured or non-structured event in the game and successfully completing it. It isn’t some reward to me….it is just another bauble and/or promotion/upgrade along the way of playing the game.
I suppose maybe I need to view ESO more like I did skyrim and the other chapters in the Elder Scrolls series. Go off and do what I want to, rather than following the story and/or quests and missions just for the purpose of progression. Doing that always made the other games in that series a lot more fun and interesting. I probably need to try that and see how the game feels.
On your point of subs, I imagine that EvE will always have a sub. It is just too complex, and such a different beast from any of the other mmorpgs out there. I have played and quit it several times, and that game still intrigues me. I wish I had more time to enjoy it, as that game seems to really need the player to be able to commit a good amount of time to it to really get the enjoyment factor out of it. (And yea, it has one of the worst death penalties out there in it, BUT, one can buy ‘insurance’ in game to cover that nasty penalty. You forget to keep your insurance or pod protection up to date, well then it is your own fault when the death penalty hammer comes down on you.)
With GW2, I just enjoy it for the fun of it. As long as I get some chuckles and smiles in game, whether it be actually playing or bantering with my guild friends, then I am good. Parts of the game bore the heck out of me, but parts of it I enjoy immensely. I suppose one could call it mindless fun at times, and it is, at times……but it is still silly fun.
As far as death penalties in general? I don’t mind not ever having to deal with them. But that is just me. I understand there are those that view that as crucial to the immersion factor and challenge, and more power to ya………but I view it as nothing more than a severe annoyance and hindrance to my game fun.
I think we just have very differing opinions on what a mmorpg should be, and/or what it needs to be to be fun.
And that’s cool.
Thanks for the interesting discussion on it.
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I don’t miss the monthly sub at all, and I don’t really think it has affected the games that much….sure, f2p is quite limited in most games, but once you buy the game everything is cool. I frankly hope to never see monthly subs again, altho I like some of the games’ idea of having a premium sort of membership for those that want to have a monthly fee and some added extras/bonuses for their character. Eso’s premium membership is an interesting example.
And as long as GW2 is still fun to play, I’ll be here.
I miss it, and it has changed them for the worst, you use to get everything in the game including cosmetics lets not pretend games like eq1 didnt have glowing weapons either and awesome looking mounts.
I hated eq1. The death penalties alone were enough to make me quit that game. I had a good friend who loved it, and I constantly shook my head when he couldn’t come out for a couple beers because he had scheduled some 4-6 hour long time period to join some eq1 friends for some silly raid/boss battles in eq1……lol. (Tequatl in GW2 is pretty much the limit for me anymore for a ‘long’ boss battle) I like shinies just like the next guy, but they don’t make or break the game for me…lol. After all, in the end, they’re just pixels.
Some of the many reasons why I love GW2. No death penalties or mind numbing multiple hour long boss battles and such. Just fun at whatever pace I happen to be in the mood for when I play. A wonderful diversion after the 9-5 day.
And, probably the reason behind my first paragraph of this post is that I was already into my 40s when mmorpgs really started to become ‘the thing’. If I had played those games when I had been in my late teens and/or early 20s, my attitude probably would have been a lot different. Space Invaders and Missile Command were the arcade games of choice when I was in my early 20s. Yea, that dates me, but also probably explains my attitude about mmorpgs now. (Altho I did get pretty serious about DaoC for quite some time)
I agree that eq had to much penality but it did make it really rewarding as well, but if anything mmo worlds have gone way way way to easy, no mystery, no danger, and it certainly makes worlds feel less alive you know? There where many other reasons to love eq, your class actually mattered, your role mattered, unique classes, loads of classes, deep group mechanics, the community relied on each others buffs and for a while teleport ability to get around or escorts from bard speed! The list goes on, eq1 had the best group experience ive had in an mmorpg, I would think city of heroes did it better if it wasnt for the shallow content it had. As far as team mechanics, classes, and customization went coh was light years ahead then any current mmorpg right now.
My point was in older mmos you would get everything for paying that 15 a month, I understand that for now thats the way it is and I accept that mmorpgs have changed this, but it doesnt mean a 15 a month mmorpg cannot do well, im pretty sure eve still is going strong.
You make some very interesting points. You sound similar to my friend that loved EQ1. I got into DaoC for similar reasons, but for the fabulous wvw/rvr…..my EQ friend never liked that aspect of DaoC. I, however, loved it.
But that was then. Progression back then was like watching grass grow. I DID get into it, as DaoC back then was almost as slow as EQ1. And yea, when you hit the top level, that was a HUGE deal. Your guildies rejoiced, players in game congratulated you…..it WAS a big deal. But I don’t miss that anymore.
And yea, CoH was a very cool game. It had a ton of potential, but the content was severely lacking. I enjoyed that game, and would have continued with it had it gotten close to its potential.
But not anymore. I enjoy the casual style now, no death penalties, no hours long boss battles, no ToA to be sure you are at your peak for wvw……I find now that I still feel a sense of accomplishment without all the absurd penalties and jaw droppingly slow progress. Life is different now, so my priorities for a game are, as well.
That is the problem I currently have with ESO……the game has real potential, but progression reminds me of the older mmorpgs, even with the premium account and permanent xp boost. I doubt if I will last long enough to really get into the pvp/wvw that that game has.
It is just a case of me getting older and my priorities changing. I really don’t want hardcore anymore. I don’t want to buy a game for that, and I have no desire to do that again. There are plenty of absurd, grindy Asian games out there for those that want grindy, hardcore, etc…..
It is nice to have one mmorpg that caters to the casuals…..finally.
That is why both me and my wife enjoy GW2 so much. Unless something drastically changes, I imagine that we’ll be here for years to come.
I have proroties to as well but you cannot compare older mmos to eso, I think your confusing the journey with endgame which are two seperate things, hardly any mmorpgs have anything about the journey anymore except eso, regardless of how busy we are you will get to max level, your not going to get max level in a month, do you not like regular rpgs? I dont understand whats so bad about slowler leveling as long as you get new stuff while you level its great. Anyone can play games like skyrim casually same goes for eso.
Now eq was a bit much im not saying it wasnt, not sure if you understood me before but im saying this again. But it doesnt mean you need no consequences for death or mistakes in general, rpgs are suppose to be about progression and sense of reward.
First off, just to be clear, when I am speaking of priorities, I am speaking more of game priorities rather than life priorities.
I just have a different view about mmorpgs than you do. I think it is as simple as that. I don’t neeed or even want to get to max level really quick. It is just that the journey, especially after playing so many mmorpgs, is so similar in all of them. Pretty much the same formula(with or without death penalties), that I just don’t get the same sort of excitement out of them that I used to. It is not so much the games as it is me.
Yea, the journey can be interesting, to a point. The rewards? I just don’t see them as rewards anymore. It is just a game to me, and the ‘rewards’ translate into higher points of progression and/or some new shiney for doing some structured or non-structured event in the game and successfully completing it. It isn’t some reward to me….it is just another bauble and/or promotion/upgrade along the way of playing the game.
I suppose maybe I need to view ESO more like I did skyrim and the other chapters in the Elder Scrolls series. Go off and do what I want to, rather than following the story and/or quests and missions just for the purpose of progression. Doing that always made the other games in that series a lot more fun and interesting. I probably need to try that and see how the game feels.
On your point of subs, I imagine that EvE will always have a sub. It is just too complex, and such a different beast from any of the other mmorpgs out there. I have played and quit it several times, and that game still intrigues me. I wish I had more time to enjoy it, as that game seems to really need the player to be able to commit a good amount of time to it to really get the enjoyment factor out of it. (And yea, it has one of the worst death penalties out there in it, BUT, one can buy ‘insurance’ in game to cover that nasty penalty. You forget to keep your insurance or pod protection up to date, well then it is your own fault when the death penalty hammer comes down on you.)
With GW2, I just enjoy it for the fun of it. As long as I get some chuckles and smiles in game, whether it be actually playing or bantering with my guild friends, then I am good. Parts of the game bore the heck out of me, but parts of it I enjoy immensely. I suppose one could call it mindless fun at times, and it is, at times……but it is still silly fun.
As far as death penalties in general? I don’t mind not ever having to deal with them. But that is just me. I understand there are those that view that as crucial to the immersion factor and challenge, and more power to ya………but I view it as nothing more than a severe annoyance and hindrance to my game fun.
I think we just have very differing opinions on what a mmorpg should be, and/or what it needs to be to be fun.
And that’s cool.
Thanks for the interesting discussion on it.
Yes I understand you view them differently but we are discussing the differences and explaining why we like them so it doesnt have to be simple.
But I dont think you remember them very well or dont play rpgs in general if you simply view leveling as another wall and not rewarding leveling usually gives you new abilities to play with, ways to get more powerful like passives and new active abilities, most games that are not rpgs have a similar form of prorgression even mario makes platforming different as you progress which essentially is what getting new abilities in a game, they are new gameplay elements for one to play with and learn how to master and customize a playstyle. Once you reach endgame there isnt much left beyond a gear grind so it doesnt make sense for someone to say they prefer that over leveling.
If you ever played eq they had an awesome alternate advancement ad endgame where you would get new actives and unique passives, more stuff to custmize beyond gear which is really nice in my opinion.
As far as eso goes, yea some people do not like following linear paths maybe your use to eq1 here lol, personally I can enjoy linear or open, but you should try it out for sure.
I feel the same way about guild wars 2, it does leave you room to play other games to which is nice, as far as eve goes yea its a complex game its also a huge pvp game which isnt for me personally, I prefer more pve with light pvp on the side.
But I dont think you remember them very well or dont play rpgs in general if you simply view leveling as another wall and not rewarding leveling usually gives you new abilities to play with, ways to get more powerful like passives and new active abilities, most games that are not rpgs have a similar form of prorgression even mario makes platforming different as you progress which essentially is what getting new abilities in a game, they are new gameplay elements for one to play with and learn how to master and customize a playstyle. Once you reach endgame there isnt much left beyond a gear grind so it doesnt make sense for someone to say they prefer that over leveling.
Oh, I remember that feeling very well. I felt it in Dark Age of Camelot, which is why I stayed with that game for so long. I was very into that game, the immersion factor was excellent for me, and I did feel the ‘rewards’ and such. As well as that being my first true wvw game, and really getting intense with that aspect. My wife and I ran a decent sized guild for years, and really put our hearts and souls into it. So I do know what that sort of intensity, commitment, etc., feels like in a game. And with DaoC, there was a lot left to the game even after you reached ‘endgame’…….the endgame in DaoC was when it all really got challenging, immersive, truly competitive, etc……even with all the problems in that game, the wvw/rvr of the ‘endgame’ was that good.
I just don’t feel that way anymore, is what I was trying to say. I tend to approach games with a much lighter intensity now.
However, EQ1….I just never got into it. One of those games that just didn’t fit me. It was like my friend that was really into EQ1…..I tried to get him into DaoC, but that game didn’t suit him, just like EQ never pushed my buttons. My friend went on and continued with more pve styled games, while I pursued games with wvw. I even went back and tried EQ2 for a bit……and it was similar. Interesting at first, but it also failed to keep my interest. Don’t get me wrong, I like elements of pve, but if there is no wvw, or at least some elements of pvp, pve gets really old for me really fast.
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