Guild Wars 2

…Impossible for actual wvwers to play the game mode they love. 3-5 hour queues because achievement hounds have flooded the maps. No real fighting force can even play in wvw now. It is just a mess and if you wanted rewards to be tied to wvw you SHOULD HAVE MADE BADGES ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING USEFUL.

Blame all the guilds that transferred to your server over the past couple of weeks, not anet.

Deli.1302:

Blame all the guilds that transferred to your server over the past couple of weeks, not anet.

why, those guilds didn’t put the pve achievements into wvw, anet did, and anet made transfers cheap and even free for those weeks before season started. So no, I blame Anet.

also some people have been on x server since the game was launched and havent moved why should they be punished because people decided it was a good server? should they need to pay more money because they were there first?

totally agreed with you arena shoundt put those achivments or they shount give any points to them for stoping this zombie logiced mindless players out of the wvw none of the servers cant actualy do any proper fight or castle upgread cuase if this reason
ARENA NET PLEASE DO SOMET?NG R?GHT ABOUT PVP OR WVW

Today while the people on commander trying to defend keep from enemy zerg, ~ 20 people captured the ruins for achievement. As I understand it – in the first week are the most difficult fights, and these ‘pve’ farmers do real impact on wvw server rating.

These messages keep making me lol. No sympathy for all the bang wagon jumpers who moved to T1.

style.6173:

These messages keep making me lol. No sympathy for all the bang wagon jumpers who moved to T1.

What about the people who’ve been in a T1 server since T4? No sympathy for them either?

Does Anet force people at gunpoint to transfer? Doubt it. Nobody who transferred for the leagues can legitimately complain about queues – you are just dumb if you didn’t expect something like this to happen. As for the original residents – tough luck.

ykyk.2740:

Does Anet force people at gunpoint to transfer? Doubt it. Nobody who transferred for the leagues can legitimately complain about queues – you are just dumb if you didn’t expect something like this to happen. As for the original residents – tough luck.

Transfers didn’t happen just on the Thursday before. The majority of the guilds who moved up did so weeks ago and we knew what queues were like. No one was complaining.

The mega-queues are 100% due to the amount of achievement hunters flocking into WvW atm.

You knew what queues WERE like. There’s your problem. You’re telling me y’all assumed queues are going to be the same forever. A little forward thinking would have told you that WvW Season 1 was going to ratchet up the queues.

Oh c’mon. You guys up in T1 country were even WARNED. Devon himself posted it, and you guys were like “Oh, queues aren’t like that. Don’t overstate it. You don’t know your own game. Your numbers are wrong. Come, keep stacking our server! The queues are a myth!” And it’s not like us lower servers didn’t try to point this out to you either. This is your own fault, not anyone else’s.

Did nobody up there actually stop to calculate that for the few hundred, to maybe couple thousand WvW players a server has, even the most WvW loaded server in NA like SoR, would have four to six times as many PvErs, probably more, and realized the T1 queue times would be made four to six times worse because of that? Game has a few million players, right? And WvW only caps out at 400+ ish per server.

Maybe next time a dev says something on the forums, actually listen instead of just bashing him.

Caroline.4987:

You knew what queues WERE like. There’s your problem. You assumed queues are going to be the same forever. A little forward thinking would have told you that WvW Season 1 was going to ratchet up the queues.

Oh c’mon. You guys up in T1 country were even WARNED. Devon himself posted it, and you guys were like “Oh, queues aren’t like that. Don’t overstate it. You don’t know your own game. Your numbers are wrong. Come, keep stacking our server! The queues are a myth!”

Did nobody up there actually stop to calculate that for the few hundred, to maybe couple thousand WvW players a server has, even the most WvW loaded server in NA like SoR, they have four to six times as many PvErs, and realized the T1 queue times would be made four to six times worse because of that?

Maybe next time a dev says something on the forums, actually listen instead of just bashing him.

So what you are saying is the people in T1 who have been playing WvW since it went live a year ago are getting what they deserve for playing WvW all this time?

Ya, they should all move down to the empty servers so they can PvDoor to their hearts content. Maybe every once in awhile they will actually be able to fight someone.

KeeZee.7312:

Caroline.4987:

You knew what queues WERE like. There’s your problem. You assumed queues are going to be the same forever. A little forward thinking would have told you that WvW Season 1 was going to ratchet up the queues.

Oh c’mon. You guys up in T1 country were even WARNED. Devon himself posted it, and you guys were like “Oh, queues aren’t like that. Don’t overstate it. You don’t know your own game. Your numbers are wrong. Come, keep stacking our server! The queues are a myth!”

Did nobody up there actually stop to calculate that for the few hundred, to maybe couple thousand WvW players a server has, even the most WvW loaded server in NA like SoR, they have four to six times as many PvErs, and realized the T1 queue times would be made four to six times worse because of that?

Maybe next time a dev says something on the forums, actually listen instead of just bashing him.

So what you are saying is the people in T1 who have been playing WvW since it went live a year ago are getting what they deserve for playing WvW all this time?

Ya, they should all move down to the empty servers so they can PvDoor to their hearts content. Maybe every once in awhile they will actually be able to fight someone.

no i think the problem was that some of your guilds have bought other guilds and stacked up too uch. those are to blme and also the bandwagoners that wanted gold league and easy wins…

Tough luck for those people.

They should have done what Mag did back when and told all the wannabe transfers to kitten off…and it would definitely help to NOT pay them gold to do it, at that.

What…it’s not like my server is free of queues. We’re getting the queues T1s used to get during NA prime. There’s no PvDooring happening anywhere at NA prime, at this point, except maybe like, some of the lowest bronze league servers. The Silver leaguers are all like…omg, we actually have queues!?

What I didn’t do is bandwagon over to another server, since this was my home server from since when I started playing.

You guys should be like Agg. They saw what was up the first day of the leagues, and hopped right away. =P

Rama.6439:

Deli.1302:

Blame all the guilds that transferred to your server over the past couple of weeks, not anet.

why, those guilds didn’t put the pve achievements into wvw, anet did, and anet made transfers cheap and even free for those weeks before season started. So no, I blame Anet.

I have been on SOR since day one. I have been playing wvw since day one, I took a month or two break december-january. I have been on SOR since Leader Mara was zerging, before TW transferred and CDS was still dominant. We were dead last and rose to tier one and I was there for it. Now I can’t even frigging play wvw at all.

Anet is destroying wvw. gg.

selan.8354:

no i think the problem was that some of your guilds have bought other guilds and stacked up too uch. those are to blme and also the bandwagoners that wanted gold league and easy wins…

You don’t know SOR at all. Don’t talk about things you have no idea about.

Been on JQ since day one, 90% of my playtime is WvW as I can’t stand PvE.

Can’t get into WvW since Friday reset.

Ridiculous….

KeeZee.7312:

Caroline.4987:

You knew what queues WERE like. There’s your problem. You assumed queues are going to be the same forever. A little forward thinking would have told you that WvW Season 1 was going to ratchet up the queues.

Oh c’mon. You guys up in T1 country were even WARNED. Devon himself posted it, and you guys were like “Oh, queues aren’t like that. Don’t overstate it. You don’t know your own game. Your numbers are wrong. Come, keep stacking our server! The queues are a myth!”

Did nobody up there actually stop to calculate that for the few hundred, to maybe couple thousand WvW players a server has, even the most WvW loaded server in NA like SoR, they have four to six times as many PvErs, and realized the T1 queue times would be made four to six times worse because of that?

Maybe next time a dev says something on the forums, actually listen instead of just bashing him.

So what you are saying is the people in T1 who have been playing WvW since it went live a year ago are getting what they deserve for playing WvW all this time?

Ya, they should all move down to the empty servers so they can PvDoor to their hearts content. Maybe every once in awhile they will actually be able to fight someone.

There is no such thing as an empty server right now.

There are just servers without queues and servers with them.

Aaron.4807:

Rama.6439:

Deli.1302:

Blame all the guilds that transferred to your server over the past couple of weeks, not anet.

why, those guilds didn’t put the pve achievements into wvw, anet did, and anet made transfers cheap and even free for those weeks before season started. So no, I blame Anet.

I have been on SOR since day one. I have been playing wvw since day one, I took a month or two break december-january. I have been on SOR since Leader Mara was zerging, before TW transferred and CDS was still dominant. We were dead last and rose to tier one and I was there for it. Now I can’t even frigging play wvw at all.

Anet is destroying wvw. gg.

You were never dead last. Also, I’ve been on FC since headstart, I’ve suffered many matches of losing and one 12 week long grind, I’ve watched guilds transfer off and us have 15 ppt, I’ve watched us win matches again. I also get to play wvw anytime I want. Click button, play wvw. Time to transfer to Bronze League complainers!

Last Tier…

And why would a competitive guild that has it’s kitten together want to fight anything but other servers that fight like us? Our last matchup was sbi and sos, it was the most boring week of wvw I have ever experienced. Moving down tiers is like the red sox going down to triple a.

Aaron.4807:

Last Tier…

And why would a competitive guild that has it’s kitten together want to fight anything but other servers that fight like us? Our last matchup was sbi and sos, it was the most boring week of wvw I have ever experienced. Moving down tiers is like the red sox going down to triple a.

Because you stacked your server to get easy wins. There are plenty of elite guilds on lower tier servers that dont have to buy guilds to carry them.

Jesus. Coverage =/= stacked. I don’t know how to explain it to someone that doesn’t get it. But, Tier 1 is all about coverage, NOT STACKING. If you stack all you get are NA guilds or whatever and you fight to see who can actually play each night. SoR has had this on occasion but generally all of our main NA guilds can wvw during prime time BECAUSE WE DIDN’T stack. We can’t stop bandwagoners tbh and we have our fair share but we DIDN’T actively recruit accept for coverage purposes, WHICH IS WHAT TIER 1 IS ALL ABOUT. JQ dominated forever because they exploited the holes in our coverage, BG did the same thing and we do the same thing BECAUSE THAT IS HOW YOU WIN IN TIER ONE.

Right now it is near impossible to get an organized fighting force on any map at any time. It is kittening ridiculous.

Well you will just have to hope your eliteness rubs off on all the people who are ruining your experience by playing the game.

Haha. Queues are the only thing balancing server population over time. If Queues dissappear T1 Servers will become even bigger.

No one is complaining bout the existence of queues.

Tier 1 (original, not bandwagon) players would be at fault if Anet gave them free options to get off before their server got stacked which we all knew was going to happen. But they didn’t, at least not in NA. Telling the original T1 players to fix this problem by buying gems isn’t completely fair, when it was Anet that encouraged this massive bandwagon with their Season/League system.

Maybe time for T1/T2 to transfer to lower wvw pop servers?

I think more players is good for WvW balance as a whole. Even if they’re from PvE.

Enjoying my outnumbered maps and no queue server. Come transfer down!

Zephyrus.9680:

Maybe time for T1/T2 to transfer to lower wvw pop servers?

I think more players is good for WvW balance as a whole. Even if they’re from PvE.

I’ve been on SFR since day 1 and there is no way I’m transferring off.

Alot of us are happy with our day 1 world, don’t punish us by allowing these jerks to stack on again.

chuuuuucky.8532:

Haha. Queues are the only thing balancing server population over time. If Queues dissappear T1 Servers will become even bigger.

As Aaron said, nobody is complaining about the existence of queues. We’re complaining about the addition of achievements into the WvW season. I am so happy that my server is seeing a drastic increase in the WvW population, and I honestly don’t mind waiting in a queue.

The only thing that’s getting on my nerves is the ridiculous lag and the PvE buffoons. In terms of lag, Anet should have seen this coming and should have prepared for this. The time it takes for my heal skill to activate is about 10 seconds now, and forces me to change to a passive heal/tank build.

About the PvE players, as I said, I’m really glad that we’re seeing a drastic increase in the WvW population, and I love seeing a long wait time for the queues, but if you decide to join WvW, you PLAY THE OBJECTIVE. We can’t have a large amount of selfish PvE players scrambling around capturing ruins for 30 minutes when we’re trying to defend our own garrison. I’d really love to train the players to prepare for WvW, and I’m open to new players willing to learn, but they honestly couldn’t give a rats behind. They’re only joining for their little achievements, then they’ll blatantly leave. I’ve had enough of this snubbery and I’m waiting a couple weeks before I go back into WvW again.

Artasian Nosferatu.3516:

chuuuuucky.8532:

Haha. Queues are the only thing balancing server population over time. If Queues dissappear T1 Servers will become even bigger.

As Aaron said, nobody is complaining about the existence of queues. We’re complaining about the addition of achievements into the WvW season. I am so happy that my server is seeing a drastic increase in the WvW population, and I honestly don’t mind waiting in a queue.

The only thing that’s getting on my nerves is the ridiculous lag and the PvE buffoons. In terms of lag, Anet should have seen this coming and should have prepared for this. The time it takes for my heal skill to activate is about 10 seconds now, and forces me to change to a passive heal/tank build.

About the PvE players, as I said, I’m really glad that we’re seeing a drastic increase in the WvW population, and I love seeing a long wait time for the queues, but if you decide to join WvW, you PLAY THE OBJECTIVE. We can’t have a large amount of selfish PvE players scrambling around capturing ruins for 30 minutes when we’re trying to defend our own garrison. I’d really love to train the players to prepare for WvW, and I’m open to new players willing to learn, but they honestly couldn’t give a rats behind. They’re only joining for their little achievements, then they’ll blatantly leave. I’ve had enough of this snubbery and I’m waiting a couple weeks before I go back into WvW again.

Pretty much this. Anet makes seasons, then they add something that makes seasons unplayable to dedicated wvwers.

What I don’t understand, is that WvWers won’t allow new people come into WvW. I mean talk about being a little selfish? Just because you haven’t done WvW before doesn’t mean you suck. There is nothing wrong with PvE or PvP players to come in and play WvW.

Now to the achievements. There have already been achievements before hand for WvW. So thats really not the issue. Sure, the achievements prolly attracted a lot of player but is that the underlying cause?

I believe WvW Season 1 is a great addition becuase it is encouraging more players to play WvW. I can’t think of a single thing wrong with that. WvW is fun. Just becuase there are more experienced WvWers doesnt mean only they can play WvW and screw anyone else who wants to try. Believe it or not EVERYONE was a new player at WvW at one time or another. Would you like it if all these people cam e yelling at you and saying “Your new! Get out of here! You came from PvE! You don’t know what you are doing!” In all honesty, its kinda rude. And thats an understatement.

All in all, relax. Queues are not the end of the world. A-net saw the problem with WvW queues and that’s why they are making the “Edge of the Mists” Map. I’m in silver Tier and I have not had any problems getting into ANY of the maps, but it might be me. Maybe I’m ooober lucky.

Thank you for letting me voice my opinion. I hope those new to WvW will become more experienced and help assist your server. I also hope those older to WvW will become more accepting to new players to WvW, maybe help them out. MAKE THEM BETTER PLAYERS. Because in the end, your server will do better. So, PvE or achievers, it doesnt matter. They are still new to WvW and they still have to become a part of WvW. Welcome them, and appreciate them, don’t push them away. Hope everyone has fun! Enjoy the game! And see you ingame!

Side note: The Ruins actualy help in WvW and they are not the only achievement btw
Side note 2: I haven’t had a problem on my server with 20+ people ignoring a garrison to obtain ruins…
Side note 3: You guys complain about the ruins a lot. Do you realize that ruins give you bonuses? Commanders, tell groups of 5-10 to constantly be flipping ruins. DO you want your rivals to have that bonus? Honestly Id prefer to have a bonus than my rival, but that might be just me o.O

Oliver.4017:

What I don’t understand, is that WvWers won’t allow new people come into WvW. I mean talk about being a little selfish? Just because you haven’t done WvW before doesn’t mean you suck. There is nothing wrong with PvE or PvP players to come in and play WvW.

Now to the achievements. There have already been achievements before hand for WvW. So thats really not the issue. Sure, the achievements prolly attracted a lot of player but is that the underlying cause?

I believe WvW Season 1 is a great addition becuase it is encouraging more players to play WvW. I can’t think of a single thing wrong with that. WvW is fun. Just becuase there are more experienced WvWers doesnt mean only they can play WvW and screw anyone else who wants to try. Believe it or not EVERYONE was a new player at WvW at one time or another. Would you like it if all these people cam e yelling at you and saying “Your new! Get out of here! You came from PvE! You don’t know what you are doing!” In all honesty, its kinda rude. And thats an understatement.

All in all, relax. Queues are not the end of the world. A-net saw the problem with WvW queues and that’s why they are making the “Edge of the Mists” Map. I’m in silver Tier and I have not had any problems getting into ANY of the maps, but it might be me. Maybe I’m ooober lucky.

Thank you for letting me voice my opinion. I hope those new to WvW will become more experienced and help assist your server. I also hope those older to WvW will become more accepting to new players to WvW, maybe help them out. MAKE THEM BETTER PLAYERS. Because in the end, your server will do better. So, PvE or achievers, it doesnt matter. They are still new to WvW and they still have to become a part of WvW. Welcome them, and appreciate them, don’t push them away. Hope everyone has fun! Enjoy the game! And see you ingame!

Side note: The Ruins actualy help in WvW and they are not the only achievement btw
Side note 2: I haven’t had a problem on my server with 20+ people ignoring a garrison to obtain ruins…
Side note 3: You guys complain about the ruins a lot. Do you realize that ruins give you bonuses? Commanders, tell groups of 5-10 to constantly be flipping ruins. DO you want your rivals to have that bonus? Honestly Id prefer to have a bonus than my rival, but that might be just me o.O

Seems like you ignored most of what I said. I suggest you carefully re-read.

Oliver.4017:

What I don’t understand, is that WvWers won’t allow new people come into WvW. I mean talk about being a little selfish? Just because you haven’t done WvW before doesn’t mean you suck. There is nothing wrong with PvE or PvP players to come in and play WvW.

Now to the achievements. There have already been achievements before hand for WvW. So thats really not the issue. Sure, the achievements prolly attracted a lot of player but is that the underlying cause?

I believe WvW Season 1 is a great addition becuase it is encouraging more players to play WvW. I can’t think of a single thing wrong with that. WvW is fun. Just becuase there are more experienced WvWers doesnt mean only they can play WvW and screw anyone else who wants to try. Believe it or not EVERYONE was a new player at WvW at one time or another. Would you like it if all these people cam e yelling at you and saying “Your new! Get out of here! You came from PvE! You don’t know what you are doing!” In all honesty, its kinda rude. And thats an understatement.

All in all, relax. Queues are not the end of the world. A-net saw the problem with WvW queues and that’s why they are making the “Edge of the Mists” Map. I’m in silver Tier and I have not had any problems getting into ANY of the maps, but it might be me. Maybe I’m ooober lucky.

Thank you for letting me voice my opinion. I hope those new to WvW will become more experienced and help assist your server. I also hope those older to WvW will become more accepting to new players to WvW, maybe help them out. MAKE THEM BETTER PLAYERS. Because in the end, your server will do better. So, PvE or achievers, it doesnt matter. They are still new to WvW and they still have to become a part of WvW. Welcome them, and appreciate them, don’t push them away. Hope everyone has fun! Enjoy the game! And see you ingame!

Side note: The Ruins actualy help in WvW and they are not the only achievement btw
Side note 2: I haven’t had a problem on my server with 20+ people ignoring a garrison to obtain ruins…
Side note 3: You guys complain about the ruins a lot. Do you realize that ruins give you bonuses? Commanders, tell groups of 5-10 to constantly be flipping ruins. DO you want your rivals to have that bonus? Honestly Id prefer to have a bonus than my rival, but that might be just me o.O

WvW with achievements has been in the game since launch. The influx of people in WvW didn’t participate in WvW for a full year. Do you really think they are there for the pvp.

You really cant be that stupid to believe that……..could you?

Oliver.4017:

What I don’t understand, is that WvWers won’t allow new people come into WvW. I mean talk about being a little selfish? Just because you haven’t done WvW before doesn’t mean you suck.

Well… It means they dont know good builds and it means we have pugs that don’t listen to commanders because they don’t get on TS. It is pretty frustrating to tell people to do something, like to NOT ATTACK THE kittenING GATE, and they still do it because they just don’t give a kitten, then we wipe.

There is a huge learning curve, you don’t just go in and run around mindlessly. I guess you can though, but it gets everyone killed.

PvE running around lost are easy to kill, tho.

@Artasian Nosferatu: Didn’t mean to upset you. Just my opinion. I guess I feel like I have to defend myself because I moved into WvW for achievements myself. I still pull my weight, and I sometimes even come up with very strategical ideas. So if one person can do that from transferring from PvE to WvW it’s not everyone. Idk what your lag has to do with anything to be honest. I’m sorry, I’m trying to see it believe me. I haven’t had lag. I’ve Dc’d before, but that because of my kittenty internet. I’m sorry if my post insulted you but know it was directed at you, it wasn’t directed at the entire thread. That’s what I do. I read every post in the thread and then repond to the thread as a whole. Not a single person. That (In my book) is kinda mean. Again, ty for reading my post, I hope you agreed with me at ‘some’ points.

@KeeZee: Sorry if my post upset you as well. I might ask you, your first statement agreed with my point: ‘WvW with achievements has been in game since launch’. Was this sarcasm or are you actually agreeing with me. Just asking don’t take it the wrong way. If sarcasm, thats okay, your post makes more sense, if agreeing, thats cool we have a common foothold. Again as stated, if I am here to do achievements does that make me a bad player because I want to be in WvW? I am a completionist. I like to accomplish as much as I can. I learned from watching and reading how WvW to become a helpful player in WvW. And despite the Achievements attracting new players, that doesnt give anyone the right to say “NO we don’t want you because you haven’t WvW before”. The achievements require you to be a part of WvW (I assume you PvP meant WvW). Did you know there is a castle assaulter? A player killer achievement? These actually require skill and will help in WvW. So think of the achievements as a good thing.

I think the main problem is the queue. And that problem is being fixed.

Thank you both for responding to my post. I appreciate it. XD

@Aaron: I totally agree with you. But does that mean all new PvEers are like that? I consider myself fairly new and I listen to commanders? I believe the pugs have been a problem well before the achievements. I played WvW for a few months and there were always some people that just didn’t understand, no matter how much you broke it down for them. But does that mean we have to put all the PvEers in that single stereotype of “If ur new you sux”? I still think we should give them a chance. Sure there will be problems, but WvW is really pretty dang simple. I learned in a few minutes.

Thank you for reading my post, I appreciate your opinion and your feedback.

The new achievements has created a situation where the regular players of WvW that have been in there over the last year find themselves unable to enjoy the part of the game they enjoy.

All I keep seeing is we have the right to be there to so screw you. I find it unacceptable that the new players feel they have a right to be there at the expense of the players that have been in there for the last year.

But none of the new players will care, they just want their achievements.

Nothing sarcastic about WvW has been in the game since launch comment.

No one can deny that since the addition of the new achievements the Queues have increased many times more than what they were before.

The new achievements is the only thing that changed with the newly renamed League system.

If you don’t like WvW on your server (or can’t play on it), maybe try another server. That’s been the advice since launch.

@KeeZee: I think everyone has the right to be in WvW… o.O It’s game. We all paid for it we all deserve it. No one is more special than another. You saying older players have more right to WvW is a little strange. What if people haven’t had the funds for gw2 until now. What if people wanted to try WvW out for the first time. What if… etc. Thats like me saying “no one should come into Arah for the temples because they don’t know what there doing, and I was there longer than anyone else”.

My argument is not that the achievements added more players to WvW, my argument is that shouldn’t be seen as bad thing.

Last note: Your enjoyment is in your control alone. You can choose to or not to enjoy a certain aspect of the game. But you have no right to make everyone else not enjoy that aspect of the game. Jesus, I absolutely enjoy WvW. it’s a new feel and I’ve been playing gw2 since launch, i’ve been playing Gw since launch. So don’t think of me as a new player, in any standards. By your argument of

“I find it unacceptable that the new players feel they have a right to be there at the expense of the players that have been in there for the last year.”

A little insulting because I want to enjoy WvW. Why should you get that enjoyment and not me? Why do you get that right and not me? Its a flippin game. We all have rights to play it.

Anyways. Again, thank you for your opinion, and I hope that you might be able to see some things in my perspective.

styx.7294:

If you don’t like WvW on your server (or can’t play on it), maybe try another server. That’s been the advice since launch.

Who wants to pvdoor? The reason why many flock to T1 is for the 24/7 coverage. Others have tried and when they came back to T1 they said it was fun until everyone went to bed and they spent the rest of the evening beating on doors.

Or when they went to bed there was no coverage so everything they fought for was flipped thus diminishing their effort.

KeeZee.7312:

styx.7294:

If you don’t like WvW on your server (or can’t play on it), maybe try another server. That’s been the advice since launch.

Who wants to pvdoor? The reason why many flock to T1 is for the 24/7 coverage. Others have tried and when they came back to T1 they said it was fun until everyone went to bed and they spent the rest of the evening beating on doors.

Or when they went to bed there was no coverage so everything they fought for was flipped thus diminishing their effort.

Oh, I see. It’s okay to suggest to transfer to tier 1. It’s not okay to suggest to transfer from tier 1.

You say “coverage”, all I hear are “queues” and “skill lag”.

Edit: We queued 2 maps at reset as the 3rd lowest ranked server. It’s not empty as you suggest here. Since we didn’t even have a league to tank to below us I’d say this whole reset was in fact a morale booster.

Maybe ArenaNet is showing us we got the people for 24 servers of WvW. I dunno how much it’ll stay but goin around tellin people servers are empty are the reason you can’t play at all in WvW.

Oliver.4017:

@Artasian Nosferatu: Didn’t mean to upset you. Just my opinion. I guess I feel like I have to defend myself because I moved into WvW for achievements myself. I still pull my weight, and I sometimes even come up with very strategical ideas. So if one person can do that from transferring from PvE to WvW it’s not everyone. Idk what your lag has to do with anything to be honest. I’m sorry, I’m trying to see it believe me. I haven’t had lag. I’ve Dc’d before, but that because of my kittenty internet. I’m sorry if my post insulted you but know it was directed at you, it wasn’t directed at the entire thread. That’s what I do. I read every post in the thread and then repond to the thread as a whole. Not a single person. That (In my book) is kinda mean. Again, ty for reading my post, I hope you agreed with me at ‘some’ points.

You didn’t insult me, and I’m not upset. Your post seemed to ignore the updated responses within the thread.

We can’t be capturing ruins if we are trying to defend our garrison. The importance of the ruins at that moment is zero. The fact that you pull your own strategies is perfect; however, not everyone is like you. Most folks who come in from standard PvE play just run around for the achievements and start getting upset that no one is helping them when they get stormed by an opposing zerg.

And you ask what “my” lag has to do with the subject? I play on a Silver Tier server, so lag should NOT be an issue. If you’re so confident that it’s just “my” lag, then perhaps you should ask all the other WvW players experiencing 10-second delays and teleportation (who are also complaining via map/team chat). At this time, 90-95% of all players in the queued maps are experiencing significant amounts of lag.

As I said before, I absolutely don’t mind the lag and queues if the new players are willing to learn and stick together. Otherwise it’s a waste of everyone’s time and patience.

To the original post:

“Achiev Points and Seasons have made it…”

…into an extra mega fun obliterating zergfest. You can’t do bo diddly without a frame/ skill response rate killing blob jumping on you (and I’m not even close to being on a T1 server mind you). Grats Anet. Success?

PPT is gone at this point. Pveholes want nothing to do with combat, helping the server, or defending.

WvW peeps just want the bags.

WvW peeps can’t get onto maps to get the bags cause of the Frostgorge pve train.

Pve scrubs even troll map chat to kitten off their server counter parts.

Bags. The only reason I still play this game.

Aaron.4807:

…Impossible for actual wvwers to play the game mode they love. 3-5 hour queues because achievement hounds have flooded the maps. No real fighting force can even play in wvw now. It is just a mess and if you wanted rewards to be tied to wvw you SHOULD HAVE MADE BADGES ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING USEFUL.

Just do what I do. Set up a superior AC in a strategic spot in the closest tower to the blob and collect the bags. Most of the people coming at you are PVE carebears and have no idea what that red circle is on the ground, and by the time they notice their glass build has them dead in 3.2 seconds.

grabemx.9836:

Aaron.4807:

…Impossible for actual wvwers to play the game mode they love. 3-5 hour queues because achievement hounds have flooded the maps. No real fighting force can even play in wvw now. It is just a mess and if you wanted rewards to be tied to wvw you SHOULD HAVE MADE BADGES ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING USEFUL.

Just do what I do. Set up a superior AC in a strategic spot in the closest tower to the blob and collect the bags. Most of the people coming at you are PVE carebears and have no idea what that red circle is on the ground, and by the time they notice their glass build has them dead in 3.2 seconds.

xD I’ll need to give this a shot…

@Oliver-you need to come to our server. We like our PVE crowd coming and even put together a WVW training for them today. We tried to spread the word and I hoped they showed. We even pointed out that by learning it may help them get their achievements easier.

Would this same situation be acceptable if it was pve dungeons? If dungeons had a que that was completely random and allowed uplevels and people with no dungeon achievements jump the line and take spots from dungeon masters that had been waiting an hour plus what would the reactions be then? Would suck it up and wait your turn be the correct answer?