Guild Wars 2

My computer got rekt a while ago, Haven’t redownloaded GW2 yet. Is the Alpine BL back in WvW yet? I would like to go back to playing this game again. Other games aren’t cutting it QQ

The devs are talking about restoring alpine bl’s but atm you will still have to suffer desert bl’s.

Colly.4073:

The devs are talking about restoring alpine bl’s but atm you will still have to suffer desert bl’s.

“Suffer” being the keyword

just finsihed getting my lege backpack and now im bored fo what to do, only so many time you can rub through eb :l

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

Nah, they are not back.

Arenanet is first going to waste time “fixing” the DBL instead of discarding it.

I suspect we’ll see WvW in its death throes for a good 9 months or so before, if ever, they’ll start to take things seriously.

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

just flush the baby and the bathwater
you can tweak a kitten all you want and it is still a kitten

Akkeros.1675:

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

just flush the baby and the bathwater
you can tweak a kitten all you want and it is still a kitten

Yeah and people were whining how boring the ABL’s were and WvW started losing players because of that.

Dusty Moon.4382:

Akkeros.1675:

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

just flush the baby and the bathwater
you can tweak a kitten all you want and it is still a kitten

Yeah and people were whining how boring the ABL’s were and WvW started losing players because of that.

We asked for new scenery.

We did NOT ask for:

A vertical map.
Jump pads.
Pop up rocks to face plant into (seriously wtf)
Sandstorms
Shrines for gizmos and gimmicks
Changes to NPCs (lords and champs)

and

Let’s not forget the Oasis event fiasco and how long it took to get it turned off. Good Grenth, we lagged out, or froze, or had about 2 FPS during that event. Horrible. Just horrible.

AND

Last but not least (and VERY important): guild upgrade changes (including new, expensive crap that commanders from even the bigger guilds are now asking donations for) that ended up completely screwing over our small personal and small havoc WvW guilds. So the alienation of solo roamers, upgrader/scouts, and small havocs. Bad, bad stuff.

Lastly, Alpine didn’t feel like a gynormous fractal. DBL does. It’s just reeks of a PvE. And I think most of us can agree. If we wanted PvE, we’d leave the Mists and go PvE.

* Changes to NPCs (lords and champs)
* Guild upgrades

Just pointing out that some of these changes will also be in Alpine if it comes back. Probably even more, Id expect shrines for example.

Alpine, why would anyone want that dusty old boring dried up map back!?

Dusty Moon.4382:

Akkeros.1675:

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

just flush the baby and the bathwater
you can tweak a kitten all you want and it is still a kitten

Yeah and people were whining how boring the ABL’s were and WvW started losing players because of that.

They didn’t lose me or any of the people i know until HoT
Must be the ‘other’ people

Skynet.7201:

A vertical map.

This I can understand. A too vertical map can be very frustrating to take yourself around, and make you miss a lot of the fight or defending a place because you have to run around the bit mountain wall to find a place somewhere to ascend.

Skynet.7201:

Jump pads.

I don’t find this that bad, but I can understand if it becomes an annoying gimmick.

Skynet.7201:

Pop up rocks to face plant into (seriously wtf)

I can understand this.

Skynet.7201:

Sandstorms

The permanent stealth can be rather annoying.

Skynet.7201:

Shrines for gizmos and gimmicks

Don’t find this too bad, especially the speed increasing ones. It gives good reason to want them, flip them, take them back whenever to get faster around the map.

Skynet.7201:

Changes to NPCs (lords and champs)

This I don’t understand. I know WvW players doesn’t want to do too much PvE, but seriously, having absolutely dumb NPC’s doing nothing? WvW players aren’t that mind numbing boring. A little bit of a challenge (not more HP, but just a more active fight) is not wrong.

If you take EVERYTHING away, it just becomes the usual, boring, karma train with flips.

The horrendous nostalgia about Alpine Borderlands just clouds it for people. WvW players started to NEGLECT Alpine Borderlands because it was getting boring. Less and less players started to join the map.

Sure, I want it back, but I rather want ArenaNet to fix the map layout on Desert Borderlands, just making it easier to get around and remove some of the gimmicks.

There’s no need to scrap it.

sparc.3649:

Alpine, why would anyone want that dusty old boring dried up map back!?

You just described the desert BLs….>.>

gennyt.3428:

sparc.3649:

Alpine, why would anyone want that dusty old boring dried up map back!?

You just described the desert BLs….>.>

Na, I did mean alpine BLs. They’ve been sitting in some closet for ~5 months collecting dust, where they belong

Too bad anet didn’t just chuck them where they really belong, in the circular file!

Alpine needed few change… Like the new fortified gate, change to some spell like the dragon tooth or meteor shower to be able to stand on the wall and to defend, or make the wall larger or some safe spot for AC.
But we don’t need this new map… And all this new mechanics…. Even EB is unplayable because of this new kitten…

And don’t try to bring back alpine map with the hot change (upgrade, sentry, guild, shrine, etc etc etc).

I prefer the alpine without any change and without HoT that this actual piece of kitten…

kitten I miss Hills….

kitten , i was hoping it would be back, I wouldn’t mind some new PvE events in the Alpine map. if they brought it back, as long as they don’t add HoT stuff to it, (gliders and such), keep it simple, keep it centaur, pve.

I miss the map. EBG was a little too big for me, but Desert BL is way too big.

Gonna redownload right now, see how it goes.

If they do bring “shrines” to Alpine BL, it better be the Orbs god kitten it, ( i miss them actually, except the hackkers lol) [that was like what four years ago?]

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

You can’t polish a turd!.

Colly.4073:

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

You can’t polish a turd!.

Yes you can.

http://youtu.be/yiJ9fy1qSFI

Farzo.8410:

Yes you can.
http://youtu.be/yiJ9fy1qSFI

But kitten is still a turd! Even if it looks pretty.

I really cannot see that any reasonable amount of work could fix the numerous problems Desert borderland has. They would need to basically start from scratch and use just some 3D model parts of the map.

Deniara Devious.3948:

Farzo.8410:

Yes you can.
http://youtu.be/yiJ9fy1qSFI

But a kitten is still a turd!

Just like your opinion is still subjective.

Farzo.8410:

Skynet.7201:

A vertical map.

This I can understand. A too vertical map can be very frustrating to take yourself around, and make you miss a lot of the fight or defending a place because you have to run around the bit mountain wall to find a place somewhere to ascend.

Skynet.7201:

Jump pads.

I don’t find this that bad, but I can understand if it becomes an annoying gimmick.

Skynet.7201:

Pop up rocks to face plant into (seriously wtf)

I can understand this.

Skynet.7201:

Sandstorms

The permanent stealth can be rather annoying.

Skynet.7201:

Shrines for gizmos and gimmicks

Don’t find this too bad, especially the speed increasing ones. It gives good reason to want them, flip them, take them back whenever to get faster around the map.

Skynet.7201:

Changes to NPCs (lords and champs)

This I don’t understand. I know WvW players doesn’t want to do too much PvE, but seriously, having absolutely dumb NPC’s doing nothing? WvW players aren’t that mind numbing boring. A little bit of a challenge (not more HP, but just a more active fight) is not wrong.

If you take EVERYTHING away, it just becomes the usual, boring, karma train with flips.

The horrendous nostalgia about Alpine Borderlands just clouds it for people. WvW players started to NEGLECT Alpine Borderlands because it was getting boring. Less and less players started to join the map.

Sure, I want it back, but I rather want ArenaNet to fix the map layout on Desert Borderlands, just making it easier to get around and remove some of the gimmicks.

There’s no need to scrap it.

And now I will reply to your reply to my reply to someone else’s comment.

My reply was in harmony with the fact that most of us were bored with Alpine. So your statement about “horrendous nostalgia” is dead WRONG. I seems like you are contextually missing some key points being made by the majority of veteran wvw players.

So let me say it again. Someone said we were bored with Alpine. I agreed, and also elaborated by saying that we did NOT ask for a gimmicky new map.

Now here’s where you kinda went sideways, but that’s my fault for not elaborating even further.

I, as in me, as in my opinion (which has been stated in multiple other threads, including the current “big 5” one), is this:

I did not say scrap DBL. Right now (you should be aware of this already), the devs have no way to “switch” maps. So, if you are following the “big 5” thread, you already know that they are going to be making a decision soon.

If the devs code the “switch” first (instead of “fixing” DBL), then everyone is happy. We have Alpine for awhile, “WHILE” they work on DBL.

Now do you see?

Like I said, my fault for not elaborating. I am not “horrendously nostalgic” for ABL. I would love for there to be eventually 3 BLs to avoid boredom.

But the devs have to get the “switch” code in first.

Got it?

Skynet.7201:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Akkeros.1675:

Dusty Moon.4382:

There is nothing wrong with the DBL’s that a few tweaks here and there would help.

Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater as they could always make the ABL’s worse.

just flush the baby and the bathwater
you can tweak a kitten all you want and it is still a kitten

Yeah and people were whining how boring the ABL’s were and WvW started losing players because of that.

We asked for new scenery.

We did NOT ask for:

A vertical map.
Jump pads.
Pop up rocks to face plant into (seriously wtf)
Sandstorms
Shrines for gizmos and gimmicks
Changes to NPCs (lords and champs)

and

Let’s not forget the Oasis event fiasco and how long it took to get it turned off. Good Grenth, we lagged out, or froze, or had about 2 FPS during that event. Horrible. Just horrible.

AND

Last but not least (and VERY important): guild upgrade changes (including new, expensive crap that commanders from even the bigger guilds are now asking donations for) that ended up completely screwing over our small personal and small havoc WvW guilds. So the alienation of solo roamers, upgrader/scouts, and small havocs. Bad, bad stuff.

Lastly, Alpine didn’t feel like a gynormous fractal. DBL does. It’s just reeks of a PvE. And I think most of us can agree. If we wanted PvE, we’d leave the Mists and go PvE.

this pretty much sums it up for me….

Whaaaat? As a casual roaming wvw’er i LOVE the desert BL’s, oh pooh,….. IF Anything they should just add 3 Alpine BL maps to the whole thing and not remove any desert ones.

What I’d really love to see is 4 different maps. EB, Alpine BL, Desert BL and a HoT jungle/vertical BL. but without the ability to attack while gliding, or even just gliding in wvw, verticality isn’t gunna happen unless they are digging basements and sub basements in the ground.

who cares about bumping, ive’ just found this topic now.

Kelly.7019:

Whaaaat? As a casual roaming wvw’er i LOVE the desert BL’s, oh pooh,….. IF Anything they should just add 3 Alpine BL maps to the whole thing and not remove any desert ones.

What I’d really love to see is 4 different maps. EB, Alpine BL, Desert BL and a HoT jungle/vertical BL. but without the ability to attack while gliding, or even just gliding in wvw, verticality isn’t gunna happen unless they are digging basements and sub basements in the ground.

Desert bl is not being removed, in fact it is supposed to be improved with tuesdays update. The original plan was to have a rotation of the 2 maps, however the technology for it was’nt working for whatever reason so it has been delayed. Given the community feedback and drop in activity anet decided to make needed changes to the desert bl, and bring back an updated alpine bl while working on the technology needed to institute a rotation.

Crap. I thought I was coming back, but then I got to the part of the patch notes about the time spent on the Desert Borderlands and it killed all the good feelings I had while reading the other WvW updates.
I have not been back here for a while so I did not know about the pending rotations. I will continue to sit out.

Zulika Mi Nam.1092:

Crap. I thought I was coming back, but then I got to the part of the patch notes about the time spent on the Desert Borderlands and it killed all the good feelings I had while reading the other WvW updates.
I have not been back here for a while so I did not know about the pending rotations. I will continue to sit out.

The changes to the DBL’s were some good changes. If you actually gave it a try, you would be surprised how different it feels from before the patch. It is unfair to the devs and to yourself to not even step into them and get a second honest opinion.

I’m afraid that when Anet polls again, many will vote for the ABL’s to comeback without ever giving this update a true chance. Anet needs to stick with their guns and not cave in. The Desert Boderlands have improved, they listened to you, and they will continue to get feedback, and if this isn’t proof enough for ya, then I don’t know what to tell you.

you know alot of this bickering wouldn’t be needed if you guys wanted to fin,d a middle road to suit all players:-)

Why don’t you support the idea of having 3 different borderland-maps evry week, that switch around evry machup? Why not add some maps to the mix and have like 4 map-rotations per month? That way all of you are happy, some can play Alpine, some can play Desert, some Ebg and keep the mechanics basic with the new adds from Hot.

The room made free in the center where EBG now is could be made into a PPK area alsdo useable for GvG league and maybe a meta-event.

From Reddit AMA

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4fkhku/reddit_ama_summary/

• For now we plan to rotate the borderlands once each quarter.

Other parts are interesting too:

• Language/National worlds will only be paired with other worlds of the same language.
• We can link many worlds together, though in this Beta worlds will only have a single partner (if they are linked at all). Many high ranking worlds in EU will not be linked with another world.
• Worlds that are paired will have lower population caps.
• At most we’d re-link worlds every 3 months.
• World Linking decisions were primarily based on a combination of both Glicko rating and time-sliced activity levels.
• We plan to continue balancing for WvW, splitting skill damage between modes if necessary. This will likely be gradual though, tackling a few outlier skills at a time.
• EotM earns reward track points at a somewhat slower rate
• Superior Siege on Portable Provisioner- we will add this.
• There will be a partial reset of Glicko (Deviation & Volatility) on Friday. We’ll put a forum post explaining our reasoning, and listing world pairings on Friday as well.
• WvW Participation points begin decaying after 10minutes of no participation gain.
• Development of build templates will occur in WvW first and if it goes well sPvP will get it too.