But I’m sure nobody sane that’s actually seen t3 or higher thinks that a place where SBI of all servers has a 1.5 KDR ratio and is winning heavily in score is anything but a farce. Especially considering reset night is when numbers are more even. Whatever makes you sleep at night.
Considering CD was barely above 1.0, I guess this part pretty much bury Cerby’s entire argument.
Well, unlike a lot of people, I’m only using KDR as a population metric, as opposed to claiming superiority. I understand it’s possible to go 40vs 20 without taking losses but if that’s the norm where it’s always 40 vs 20 then something is very wrong. Granted, none of the 4 servers will make t4 fun.
I’m also going to take the time to respond to Kinthiri over here, and this forum software will make quoting a bit difficult so bear with me.
I know some people are gonna kill me for saying this but….
SBI seems pretty PPT focused to me. Yea, the most popular commanders tend to not PPT too much, but in general there’s an emphasis on defending stuff (but only on EB) and there’s also a super serious bunch of on the borderlands that are hardcore PPT.
I don’t think that’s the case. It’s not about the PPT, it’s more about just having fun. HARD, for example, aren’t PPT focused, we’re casual. We’ll take a fight if we come across it, otherwise we’ll just keep flipping stuff till we run into resistance and get the fights.
And I think that is true for most of SBI. It’s not about PPT. It’s just about drawing people out and getting fights. Which is something T4 doesn’t offer us at all.
I think my experiences are very different from yours. Granted, I’ve mostly been pugging for years. I’ve just seen so much crap over the PPT issue that it is just exhausting, especially involving the borderlands defense guilt tripping of the EB crew when it just never feels enough, and there’s been too many Lord’s Room warnings. It’s certainly gotten better over time but it gets very annoying to see commanders get run off because they didn’t do stuff that doesn’t require a zerg and get yelled at as a result. Or defenders getting berated for failing to disable even though people do make mistakes. That’s sure going to keep people around right?
Also, consider that the time you run (Late NA) tend to be the best time to run on these parts when either this kind of crap is minimal or we just shout them down. I do agree with you that fun tends to be most important and that’s generally a subjective thing. But I also think that it also has to do with striking a balance and tolerance of how people want to play. PPT in and itself isn’t really a slur, but when it leads to stuff like that because it’s taken too far, it can cause problems.
I have definitely observed that a number of people’s skill sets tend to be skewed towards siege. That’s nothing wrong with that, as I couldn’t aim a treb to save my life. Someone has to do it right? Heck, my own guild was focused on ninjaing stuff and generally avoiding fights as in more to kitten the enemy off. Though the desert borderlands seems to have taken its toll. [insert rant here]
For the most part, my experience has been that SF and DH will go behind SBI groups and just backcap things. Otherwise they’ll stay inside walls trying to defend until the objective is opened up, then they’ll WP away and start backcapping things. Some die in defence. We found the best way to get fights was to wait till they’ve dropped siege on a tower or keep and then initiate a fight.
What choice do most of them have? We’re forced to do the same when we’re faced with any of the t2s after they karma train our borderlands. All that can be done at that point is to waste the enemy’s time and deny bags. Though I’ve actually seen SF stand and fight. even when they don’t have to. And also the open field Flame Ram. I’ve heard legends of it theorycrafted but never actually saw it. I thought it was funny.
Again, that’s only really the case in EB. People go to EB because thats supposed to be where all the action is. But the majority of SBI are casual players, so they’re just going to look for a tag and join it. Thus, you get a guild group of 10-15 that turns into a zerg of 30 or more in EB.
It does happen to a lesser extent on the borderlands, but those that generally hang out in the BLs (such as HARD, Hate, ORDR, and a few other regulars) tend to pick up Pugs as we’re going. But theres far fewer Pugs so it’s not quite the same.
I think it’s not too outrageous to say that the majority of things happen on EB though. But when I think of “fight guilds”, I tend to think of build min-maxing, zergbusting, and scrimming. Now indeed pugs joining in is inevitable, but I think that’s still the dominant thing going on with not that much effort to run thinner. It’s also a note that a lot of serious fight guilds often tend to leave the server, though I suppose you may not have been around to see the five or six implosions that have occurred here.
All these guilds you listed are a fine bunch of course. I’m in one of them, but I don’t think they reflect the majority either.
Though this is just an observation as opposed to a rant. Blobbing with 50 people is its own form of entertainment and given this game is pretty much nonexistent as an esport, can you fault people for not putting the time it takes to take advantage of the FOTM?
To this day, many on SBI thought that rolling onto a tag in EB with 60 people (Anet plz increase limit) was what fite oriented WvW’ers do and to this day that’s what many people consider actual fights. I just pat them on the head and smile.
Way to be condescending to your own teammates :-P I think you’re completely wrong here, but meh… Whatever.
We have a lot of Pugs on SBI that don’t know how to play WvW beyond getting behind a tag and doing whatever they see the rest of us doing. The number of people in TS is small compared to the number of people we have in a map at any given time.
Now… given how long its been, can people please stop going on about Bannock? SBI today is not SBI as it was then. There are a lot of different people on the server now.
Well, that’s generally how I post. I try to hate everything equally. :p Plus there’s nothing to fight in game so here were are. The Bannok story is just a fun one for those that weren’t aware of the tale, but I still feel like the effects of a celebrity tag have had long lasting effects. It’s true elsewhere too, but very apparent here. But there’s definitely a lot of inflated egos as a result, and I have heard from a number of friends that optimizing one’s build is not needed because [x] commander will take care of everything.
Although I’d be careful with the pug label too as the server is mostly them, and remember, they are often on TS with their mics muted, so just because they’re not voicing their disapproval it doesn’t mean they don’t hear the casual blame sometimes placed on them.
No, they’re not paltry. It’s simply a case of YB/SoS have had greater numbers in the past and been able to do to SBI what we’re doing to T4. We beat YB and SoS on the week Season 3 released. It’s as if everyone in SBI completely ignores that fact and still goes on about beating SoS/YB because of some great rally.
That was actually a nicely phrased YB joke, though you may not understand them unless we face them a bit more. But it’s better that you don’t. It was actually a simultaneous joke and compliment. Honestly, I think we should give our opponents more credit. It makes us look better anyways.
As for the PPT’ing it’s needed atm because we don’t want to be stuck here. I do understand that, but at the same time it’s not unusual to see outsiders thinking we’re a PPT machine. Of course, they also can’t see the inside of our EB keep which as of midnight last night, had absolutely no siege. Just saying.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
