Guild Wars 2

I mean its one thing add one or two small things and fix a few bugs but something like a tournament is overdue or at least another new map/overhaul.

looks pointedly at Desert Borderland No more maps please.

A tournament would be sweet though. I’d love a little legendary badge next to my name to strike fear in the heart of the enemy Zerg

Because the last time they added new content to WvW, people lost their fricken minds and moaned and groaned for weeks… I think they learned their lesson.

Odokuro.5049:

Because the last time they added new content to WvW, people lost their fricken minds and moaned and groaned for weeks… I think they learned their lesson.

This. Every time ANet has added something to WvW for the past 15+ months, people have just whined their kitten off at ANet for weeks. Its no wonder they don’t want to devote developer time to something that people won’t be happy about.

And they have said that they don’t want to do any more tournaments, because after each one they saw a permanent drop in WvW population. Just because you enjoy them doesn’t make them good for the game. Especially for a struggling game mode putting a tournament in only to know that you would lose even more players after its over would be a bad move on their part.

OriOri.8724:

Odokuro.5049:

Because the last time they added new content to WvW, people lost their fricken minds and moaned and groaned for weeks… I think they learned their lesson.

This. Every time ANet has added something to WvW for the past 15+ months, people have just whined their kitten off at ANet for weeks. Its no wonder they don’t want to devote developer time to something that people won’t be happy about.

And they have said that they don’t want to do any more tournaments, because after each one they saw a permanent drop in WvW population. Just because you enjoy them doesn’t make them good for the game. Especially for a struggling game mode putting a tournament in only to know that you would lose even more players after its over would be a bad move on their part.

All that tells us is that the previous Tournaments had design flaws. If something isn’t working as well as it should the solution isn’t necessarily to throw it away and forget about it; there’s also the option of fixing what’s wrong with it so it performs the way you want it to.

It’s clearly not impossible to design a limited duration competition for WvW that won’t result in burnout. Many suggestions along those lines have been made on these forums. Making the Season shorter and tailoring it to be something people feel able to dip in and out of without having to change their current patterns of play to any extreme degree shouldn’t be to hard, especially now we have the two hour blocks of Skirmishes already in place.

Bluntly, the original Seasons may have had issues but so does replacing them with…nothing.

Doubtful. WvW has such a tiny population spending development effort has a very low ROI.

Odokuro.5049:

Because the last time they added new content to WvW, people lost their fricken minds and moaned and groaned for weeks… I think they learned their lesson.

Heh, that implies they ever stopped moaning and groaning. =P

New content is relinking and new reward tracks..
I’m not sure what else they could do, unless it’s another new Map and Server merges.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

New content is relinking and new reward tracks..
I’m not sure what else they could do, unless it’s another new Map and Server merges.

Really? The forum has four and a half years of suggestions for you to wade through.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

New content is relinking and new reward tracks..
I’m not sure what else they could do, unless it’s another new Map and Server merges.

Gameplay changes. Fundamental changes to how siege and/or defending works. Changes to give incentive to running in smaller groups. Changes giving smaller groups more even chances against map consuming blobs (not equal, but make it not as steamroll as it is now for the larger group). Changes to how servers are linked up for matches. Changes reducing the need for 24/7 coverage. Changes for more balanced matchups.

There are tons of things Anet could do besides new maps and new reward tracks

Yeah, people friecked out, but that was mostly because Anet doesn’t have a test server, and they didn’t listen to any of the feedback during Beta. Beta was mainly for server stress testing and finding bugs. In order for them to really release something good, they need to come to the community that have been playing WvW since launch, who are more expert at the game mode then most of the people working at Anet. It took them, what, 6 months before they made the necessary changes to DBL that made it fun to play? Compounding that issue was all the crap WvW players had to deal with in order to obtain the needed classes that came with the HoT release. That’s unacceptable and made at least 2 hardcore WvW guilds off the top of my head leave the game.

If they want to release something, then they need to create an Alpha, listen to the feedback, and be prepared to make drastic changes if need be. Otherwise, they’ll continue to alienate and turn off players.

I can’t think of a better test for scoring, than the population WvW had 2-3 years ago, now it’s just all linked to which servers get linked every 2 months usually, because of how the population has shrunk, so most players stack on one Server, like in the EU.

Straegen.2938:

Doubtful. WvW has such a tiny population spending development effort has a very low ROI.

DING DING DING DING this exactly

Everything is fine, it’s the usual rhythm of content delivery.

Odokuro.5049:

Because the last time they added new content to WvW, people lost their fricken minds and moaned and groaned for weeks… I think they learned their lesson.

People complained because what was added was objectively terrible.

The things that got added were not needed. WvW in the beginning was great. It actually able to pull players from PvP and PvE. Maybe because of the easy XP, crafting bonusses and whatnot. All that got removed for no reason at all. I am a PvE player, and have always been. But a few years ago I often went for the XP/crafting XP bonus to WvW and ended up staying quite a while because I enjoyed it. Even getting stomped by another zerg was just a minor annoyance.

WvW was attractive to players, even if they didn’t want to go there in the first place. Quite a few people probably enjoyed their time in WvW and went from PvP/PvE players to full WvW players instead.

The only reason you go to WvW as PvE’er now is because you need the Gift of Battle, or you want to complete all your dailies so you go for that daily vet creature/big spender. It sure is the only reason I ever go to WvW.

Look at another game, RuneScape. Same story really. They kept updating and updating and players got fed up with all those bad updates and left. After some time they said: “we have still have our old files of the old Runescape. Do you want us to bring this back?”. With enough votes, they would bring it back but not update or spend time on it. However, the more votes it got, the more development time they were going to invest in it. It ended up with so many votes that the old Runescape got brought back, and ended up with a larger population then the new version.

I really hope for the actual WvW’ers Anet just accepts its mistakes and just brings back the old WvW. All I care about is the Gift of Battle anyway….