Guild Wars 2

It made me realise today that Apline and EB are actually very, very, very good maps, just tiresome and feeling old after 3+ years. Massive thanks to whoever designed them in the first place. They had a nice balance to the maps, less pve would have been nice, but meh….

What I suggest is they go and find this map making genius and rededicate/re-employ them to make you some new maps sticking with the original tatical forethought present in both maps already made by this person.

The original WvW maps were co-developed with a pre-release batch of players designated to help improve and facilitate the design of WvW and its subsequent maps. Communication was extremely timely and developers were very involved in the feedback playtesters were giving to improve the experience. Many features were removed, changed, and added because of this, and lead up to what WvW was launched as.

Since we get out-right ignored and very obviously neglected by the developers at this point in the game (and have been since shortly after release when culling was fixed and the glory of WvW rang true), no employee will do the format justice; their map designers are incredibly talented. The Desert BL’s are amazing maps – just there’s a huge disconnect from what the players want and need – so they are the wrong solution to what are very real problems, despite being good solutions to other problems entirely.

ANet’s priorities and scheduling as well as its communications policies are a massive blunder. They started incredibly strong in the industry. I feel like we’ve been back-peddling since 2012, and now that the problems are so massive and ever-looming, they lack the staff and/or willingness to actually own up to their failures and correct those problems, let alone their business methods and content production methods which got them here to begin with.

DeceiverX.8361:

The original WvW maps were co-developed with a pre-release batch of players designated to help improve and facilitate the design of WvW and its subsequent maps. Communication was extremely timely and developers were very involved in the feedback playtesters were giving to improve the experience. Many features were removed, changed, and added because of this, and lead up to what WvW was launched as.

I wonder where those devs are working now. Even if they can’t take 100% credit for the maps, the fact that they understood the concept of testing and collaboration means it might be worth checking out whatever games they’re working on now.

Do you know any names of these devs?

No.

ANet changed its communications and development policies shortly after launch because feedback was often given before releases or players were holding them accountable for promises they made about upcoming content they never delivered.

So they just stopped bothering altogether.
The entire company dynamic changed, so it matters not who develops or developed what. There is no feedback shaping development. Management and the developers themselves have no accountability and can have a field day with whatever they want, because we won’t get a chance to interject on incoming changes, because they’re often announced post-implementation/design and any “give us your feedback” posts at this point are pretty much entirely PR stunts to get people to shut up. It’s also the reasoning behind the vagueness of announcements, and the very fine print of “we never promised this” and other bundled features when content is released.

Consider all of the feedback recently that has been given on incoming content before it was released. Evaluate what actually got changed.

Nothing. Zero changes have been made to anything before releasing the content. Even when openly criticized by major streamers and community members – people they’ve put on their own company streams and endorsed – concerns are swept aside.

Kind of like a child when he doesn’t get his way, frankly. Just going on a tantrum after getting yelled at and doing the dumb thing he was going to do regardless of its merit.

DeceiverX.8361:

The entire company dynamic changed, so it matters not who develops or developed what.

Oh, I’ve completely given up on Anet. Just if those devs have left the company (probably) I’d be interested in finding out what games they might be working on.

Maybe it was the two Anet founders that left shortly after GW2 release? I wonder what they’re up to.

They’re both working on some zombie apocalypse game or something. One worked for En Masse as a senior manager and then left. Not really a fan of what’s come out of either.

I don’t understand why ANET doesn’t just return the alpine map for now. When the larger WvW overhaul is ready, then revisit the new map and see if it makes sense.

Dal.5872:

It made me realise today that Apline and EB are actually very, very, very good maps, just tiresome and feeling old after 3+ years. Massive thanks to whoever designed them in the first place. They had a nice balance to the maps, less pve would have been nice, but meh….

What I suggest is they go and find this map making genius and rededicate/re-employ them to make you some new maps sticking with the original tatical forethought present in both maps already made by this person.

You don’t know what you are talking about..unless you were making unrealistic generalizations for the sake of making an offensive statement? Anyways hopefully the comments section shed enough light on it so that you now do.

style.6173:

I don’t understand why ANET doesn’t just return the alpine map for now. When the larger WvW overhaul is ready, then revisit the new map and see if it makes sense.

When have you ever known Anet to admit and back peddle on a mistake aside from the Flamekissed armor debacle?

It would also invalidate what was obviously a huge amount of time and resources to create the map. A map of that scope and detail is a huge endeavor even if it was ultimately kind of a flop at what it was supposed to do.

Anet isn’t going to throw all that in the trash, nor are they going to invest a big chunk of money/time revamping the map either. It’s here to stay and as it is for the most part. Better to spend time asking for new and better rewards as those actually have a chance of showing up at some point though it will probably be 2017 before any hint of plans for the idea of a WvW legendary backpack are made known.

style.6173:

I don’t understand why ANET doesn’t just return the alpine map for now. When the larger WvW overhaul is ready, then revisit the new map and see if it makes sense.

Probably because they didn’t make any of the changes to the old maps that are in the new map and ebg map.

DeceiverX.8361:

The original WvW maps were co-developed with a pre-release batch of players designated to help improve and facilitate the design of WvW and its subsequent maps. Communication was extremely timely and developers were very involved in the feedback playtesters were giving to improve the experience. Many features were removed, changed, and added because of this, and lead up to what WvW was launched as.

Do you have one iota of evidence to back up this claim?

Cerby.1069:

Dal.5872:

It made me realise today that Apline and EB are actually very, very, very good maps, just tiresome and feeling old after 3+ years. Massive thanks to whoever designed them in the first place. They had a nice balance to the maps, less pve would have been nice, but meh….

What I suggest is they go and find this map making genius and rededicate/re-employ them to make you some new maps sticking with the original tatical forethought present in both maps already made by this person.

You don’t know what you are talking about..unless you were making unrealistic generalizations for the sake of making an offensive statement? Anyways hopefully the comments section shed enough light on it so that you now do.

I think you will find your statement gives a more unrealistic generalization for the sake of making a comment…………