Guild Wars 2

Anet, can we get a specific date as to when dbl will be back in wvw? Reset, tonight? Or the next Tuesday update? Or some other time?

Thanks!

LOL… not that soon.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

It will not be tonight, or next Tuesday, but sometime after that.

I can’t give you an exact day yet, since there are still some technical changes that need to happen before we can run different Borderlands at the same time, but I will let everyone know once we know for sure it is ready to go out.

Take your time ! :-)

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

It will not be tonight, or next Tuesday, but sometime after that.

I can’t give you an exact day yet, since there are still some technical changes that need to happen before we can run different Borderlands at the same time, but I will let everyone know once we know for sure it is ready to go out.

Will there be a midweek reset of scores if this is implemented on a Tuesday?

Appreciate the info, McKenna!

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

It will not be tonight, or next Tuesday, but sometime after that.

I can’t give you an exact day yet, since there are still some technical changes that need to happen before we can run different Borderlands at the same time, but I will let everyone know once we know for sure it is ready to go out.

Will bloodlust be added to Desert borderlands to have parity with the two Alpine maps… the mid section of the map is currently basically unused, is it not?

Obviously I am not asking to copy paste the terrain to desert, which would probably take a while and not be consistent with the style of the rest of the map, but rather just added the capture points to the current desert mid section in some configuration.

Thank you for the answer.

"X T D"

Will there be a midweek reset of scores if this is implemented on a Tuesday?

Remember them saying before that they had to change maps on Tuesdays due to patch releases, so seems likely.

"Crise"

Will bloodlust be added to Desert borderlands to have parity with the two Alpine maps… the mid section of the map is currently basically unused, is it not?

I would like to see, am curious about, how it would work without even number of bloodlust. If there is 2 bloodlusts, perhaps players become more interested in it, and actually fight over it ? I’d like to see that, love the ruins area, favorite place to fight.

Once Desert Borderlands come back, I expect the number of players drop on the borderlands and EBG queues once again go high, unless Arenanet brings in some other major changes e.g. better rewards.

(EDIT: I thought DBL would replace ABL, but now it seems we will have 2 Alpine + 1 Desert BL which is much better. I predict this won’t have any drastic effect on the number of players, still it would be nice to see the actual number of players)

I wish Arenanet would show us metrics, how many players on each server and each map as each tick. This would give us a lot of food for thought!

Deniara Devious.3948:

I wish Arenanet would show us metrics, how many players on each server and each map as each tick. This would give us a lot of food for thought!

Wouldn’t we all, unfortunately that is pretty sure thing to not happen, there is something of an unwritten rule about ArenaNet (and more or less gaming companies in general, particularly when it comes to MMO’s) to not release absolute statistics.

The exception to this rule is only when those numbers are impressive enough to be considered a positive marketing tool. From PR point of view relative statistics and vague statements are a safer bet.

Deniara Devious.3948:

Once Desert Borderlands come back, I expect the number of players drop on the borderlands and EBG queues once again go high, unless Arenanet brings in some other major changes e.g. better rewards.

I wish Arenanet would show us metrics, how many players on each server and each map as each tick. This would give us a lot of food for thought!

OMFG would I love to have the number of actual players on a map and not just when it Queues. Have the number be green when a map is not Queued and turn red when the map is queued. Why they’ve hidden such a simple thing is beyond me.

Deniara Devious.3948:

Once Desert Borderlands come back, I expect the number of players drop on the borderlands and EBG queues once again go high, unless Arenanet brings in some other major changes e.g. better rewards.

I wish Arenanet would show us metrics, how many players on each server and each map as each tick. This would give us a lot of food for thought!

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

we can run different Borderlands at the same time

Alpine will still be there apparently

Crise.9401:

Deniara Devious.3948:

I wish Arenanet would show us metrics, how many players on each server and each map as each tick. This would give us a lot of food for thought!

Wouldn’t we all, unfortunately that is pretty sure thing to not happen, there is something of an unwritten rule about ArenaNet (and more or less gaming companies in general, particularly when it comes to MMO’s) to not release absolute statistics.

The exception to this rule is only when those numbers are impressive enough to be considered a positive marketing tool. From PR point of view relative statistics and vague statements are a safer bet.

We’d love to see it for obvious reasons, but so would Anet’s competitors. That sort of thing is commercially sensitive information.

yes please, by all means, take as much time as you need. The longer we go without these garbage maps the better, I mean unless of course, your intent is to destroy WvW again. And please don’t reply to me telling me the people have voted and obviously wanted the Desert BL’s back, blah blah blah. No we don’t. If people really wanted those stupid maps then where were they when the D BL’s were in play the first time? Everyone was in EB, standing in LA waiting in qeue for EB or playing another game.

Deniara Devious.3948:

Once Desert Borderlands come back, I expect the number of players drop on the borderlands and EBG queues once again go high, unless Arenanet brings in some other major changes e.g. better rewards.

I wish Arenanet would show us metrics, how many players on each server and each map as each tick. This would give us a lot of food for thought!

While we wont get how many are there, we will be able to see the border activity through the API. Just check kills/deaths on the 2 alpine borders compared to the desert border. Simple.

joneirikb.7506:

Thank you for the answer.

X T D”

Will there be a midweek reset of scores if this is implemented on a Tuesday?

Remember them saying before that they had to change maps on Tuesdays due to patch releases, so seems likely.

Crise”

Will bloodlust be added to Desert borderlands to have parity with the two Alpine maps… the mid section of the map is currently basically unused, is it not?

I would like to see, am curious about, how it would work without even number of bloodlust. If there is 2 bloodlusts, perhaps players become more interested in it, and actually fight over it ? I’d like to see that, love the ruins area, favorite place to fight.

I hope they don’t add BL to the DBL. As you said I think it will generate more fights over the existing 2 ruins.

Will all of the exploits in DBL be fixed, when they come back? As jumping into Hill outer ring, or jumping into east tower, or jumping into Garrison, or jumping into Bay, or another jump into Hill?

Tur Rambar.6287:

Will all of the exploits in DBL be fixed, when they come back? As jumping into Hill outer ring, or jumping into east tower, or jumping into Garrison, or jumping into Bay, or another jump into Hill?

Right after the Green Keep in EB is fixed,so we can’t target the inner gate while the outer is still up!

Aenaos.8160:

Right after the Green Keep in EB is fixed,so we can’t target the inner gate while the outer is still up!

I have heard of this bug, but never seen it.

Hexalot.8194:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

It will not be tonight, or next Tuesday, but sometime after that.

I can’t give you an exact day yet, since there are still some technical changes that need to happen before we can run different Borderlands at the same time, but I will let everyone know once we know for sure it is ready to go out.

Take your time ! :-)

Take your time x2

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

It will not be tonight, or next Tuesday, but sometime after that.

I can’t give you an exact day yet, since there are still some technical changes that need to happen before we can run different Borderlands at the same time, but I will let everyone know once we know for sure it is ready to go out.

hoping to see DBL return with the 26th patch…any update on this??

mcarswell.3768:

hoping to see DBL return with the 26th patch…any update on this??

That’s probably a pretty good guess. Imo, would make sense.

shhhhhhh

stop reminding them, maybe they will forget or lose it

I can’t wait for it’s return and neither can quite a few other people I know.

People may be surprised at how much it will be played especially if they are looking for fights.

Devils Toy.9205:

yes please, by all means, take as much time as you need. The longer we go without these garbage maps the better, I mean unless of course, your intent is to destroy WvW again. And please don’t reply to me telling me the people have voted and obviously wanted the Desert BL’s back, blah blah blah. No we don’t. If people really wanted those stupid maps then where were they when the D BL’s were in play the first time? Everyone was in EB, standing in LA waiting in qeue for EB or playing another game.

Kinda harsh, but I do agree that the 24/7 queues on EB spoke for themselves. Not to mention my friend’s list (primarily WvW peeps) went from scrolling down 3-4 pages to all visible in the top of the list.

If it’s still vertical and the shrines still attach to gimmickry, and it’s my server’s BL, I’ll be on EB, unless something on home BL needs defending (and then straight back to EB).

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

DBL won’t be back on the 26th. We are shooting for late August right now.

The sooner the better.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

DBL won’t be back on the 26th. We are shooting for late August right now.

Take your time.

The DBL fan base … will go to the DBL map to play. Personally I will find it interesting to see what maps Queue, and how often over the course of say a two month span.

i will probably spend most of my time on DBL, just because it’s different.

That’s a shame, I was really hoping we’d be seeing it in this coming update. Still, thankyou for the heads up. Hopefully we can see it again ASAP.

Hexinx.1872:

I will find it interesting to see what maps Queue

EBG, durr…

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

…before we can run different Borderlands at the same time…

This will make the game mode less competitive imo & I hope this doesn’t happen but it seems like it is…

Allison The Strange.4519:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

…before we can run different Borderlands at the same time…

This will make the game mode less competitive imo & I hope this doesn’t happen but it seems like it is…

It was voted to have 2 ABL + 1 DBL offering the option to go to the map you want … it passed a 75% vote. I don’t see your point at all, why would you not offer the option of giving groups who prefer to play on maps they enjoy?

Allison The Strange.4519:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

…before we can run different Borderlands at the same time…

This will make the game mode less competitive imo & I hope this doesn’t happen but it seems like it is…

The score in this game mode isn’t competitive already… It’s just a metric for who have more people in more timezones than anything else. The only competitiveness in WvW are the fights, that when they happen (lots of people rather just avoid them and k-train).

Allison The Strange.4519:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

…before we can run different Borderlands at the same time…

This will make the game mode less competitive imo & I hope this doesn’t happen but it seems like it is…

Hate to break this to you…. but wvw was never competitive due to the population and coverage gaps of every server involved. Points are only there to determine how much glicko you gain or lose from week to week, which then determines which matchups you will have the next week. Glicko, which they now have to manually fiddle with to give a t4 server a chance at t3.

Even the tournaments showed it wasn’t a competitive mode. At the end of the day it’s all meaningless, unless you really want 3 extra chests with green and blue salvage items.

Hopefully with the desert taking a while to return, that means some work will be put into it.

Xenesis.6389:

Hopefully with the desert taking a while to return, that means some work will be put into it.

Lots of changes were made to the desert tbh… But players were flooding this place so hard with tears that Arena Net just gave back ABL without even letting us play the changed DBL for more than a week.

There was, but still a lot of other tweaks that need to be made, it was still kind of an annoying map to be on, especially ground roots and plants that got in your way too often and you have to go around, hell even the regular pve maps weren’t that bad.

Just hope there’s more work being done like to help the north towers be useful, the middle area revamped, a lot of the ground clutter cleaned up, and we’re just not waiting on programming to get abl dbl to work together.

Xenesis.6389:

There was, but still a lot of other tweaks that need to be made, it was still kind of an annoying map to be on, especially ground roots and plants that got in your way too often and you have to go around, hell even the regular pve maps weren’t that bad.

Just hope there’s more work being done like to help the north towers be useful, the middle area revamped, a lot of the ground clutter cleaned up, and we’re just not waiting on programming to get abl dbl to work together.

They needed to remove a lot of the stuff in the middle of areas where people fights, like the huge rock south of garrison and the cliffs/walls everywhere. The waypoint system also needs to be quicker. I think the keeps and towers need waypoints that spawn 10-15 minutes after you capture them.

Otherwise it had a lot of potential.

Xenesis.6389:

There was, but still a lot of other tweaks that need to be made, it was still kind of an annoying map to be on, especially ground roots and plants that got in your way too often and you have to go around, hell even the regular pve maps weren’t that bad.

Just hope there’s more work being done like to help the north towers be useful, the middle area revamped, a lot of the ground clutter cleaned up, and we’re just not waiting on programming to get abl dbl to work together.

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people feel the exact same way about ABL. Its quite frankly not fun at all for us to play on. Yet we are nice enough to not go shoving it down your throats all the time. Return the favor. No one is forcing you to like DBL. No one is even forcing you to play on DBL.

Well surprisingly alot of you don’t know.

DBL is only going to be one borderland map. The other two will be ABL.

So everyone that doesnt like DBL need not go to it. I personally can not wait.

I am really looking forward to seeing DBL return. ABL is ok, but man, is it ever old and boring.

OriOri.8724:

Xenesis.6389:

There was, but still a lot of other tweaks that need to be made, it was still kind of an annoying map to be on, especially ground roots and plants that got in your way too often and you have to go around, hell even the regular pve maps weren’t that bad.

Just hope there’s more work being done like to help the north towers be useful, the middle area revamped, a lot of the ground clutter cleaned up, and we’re just not waiting on programming to get abl dbl to work together.

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people feel the exact same way about ABL. Its quite frankly not fun at all for us to play on.

I hate to break it to you, but go read through my posts, I was the very first person to jump on the train to have both borderlands running right after Tyler mentioned it’s possible.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/How-long-will-Alpines-last/first#post6161872

And tried to give some input for personal annoyances..

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/One-Annoyance-about-the-Desert-Borderland/first#post6117704

And tried to push votes for the poll to get the 2/1 bls, so that every player could be playing wvw on any map they choose at any time.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Poll-31-May-Mixed-Borderlands-CLOSED/page/3#post6182630

But we then had to spend 3 weeks of polling to get back to that point and finally pushing it through. Do you want 2/1 = no, do you want desert removed = no, do you want 2/1 = yes.

Just cause I don’t like it as much as alpine and frankly I don’t really care either way cause I mostly play on ebg these day, doesn’t mean it couldn’t use some work. Alpine wasn’t as broken as desert was, and the biggest complaint of it these days is… “it’s boring” cause we’ve had it for so long.

OriOri.8724:

Yet we are nice enough to not go shoving it down your throats all the time. Return the favor.

Oh please there’s been more than enough arguments on both sides over this.

OriOri.8724:

No one is forcing you to like DBL. No one is even forcing you to play on DBL.

You’re right no one is forcing me to play DBL, I took a 6 month vacation from wvw during that time. Even so I don’t think the work put into creating it should be destroyed, nor should players who like it should be shut out from it for 3 months at a time. I’ll still try it out when it returns, I just hope in better form.

Try not to smack the hand that’s been trying to help you out.

Xenesis.6389:

Try not to smack the hand that’s been trying to help you out.

Fwiw, I have always thought that your posts were pretty fair and open minded. I may have disagreed with you at times, but you have always seemed willing to logically discuss things, and especially where the dbl/abl mixed bl poll was concerned, you always seemed to want a good compromise, even when you didn’t like dbl.

Here’s hoping that when dbl does return, they have continued to make good tweaks to it. I didn’t like it either in its original form, but as I got used to it, and especially after the first round of tweaks to it, it was starting to grow on me.

Teon.5168:

Xenesis.6389:

Try not to smack the hand that’s been trying to help you out.

Fwiw, I have always thought that your posts were pretty fair and open minded. I may have disagreed with you at times, but you have always seemed willing to logically discuss things, and especially where the dbl/abl mixed bl poll was concerned, you always seemed to want a good compromise, even when you didn’t like dbl.

Here’s hoping that when dbl does return, they have continued to make good tweaks to it. I didn’t like it either in its original form, but as I got used to it, and especially after the first round of tweaks to it, it was starting to grow on me.

Thanks Your post always seem to be level headed and positive, you’re one of those I respect around here, however much that’s worth lol.

I do try to keep an open mind to stuff, of course there may be some issues I get pig headed about, but overall I try to see things from both sides, what’s possible and what isn’t. I like seeing interesting ideas that are possible come up, and I like to try and promote them with my thoughts and ideas as well. Like the 2/1 was a very good compromise, it’s too bad we had to spend more than 4 weeks to finally decide on it.

In the end wvw should be about fun, no matter your role (even duelers) on whatever map you want to play.

I don’t like ABL because people sit inside their towers trebbing other structures (And when we break in they just wp out)… On DBL they are forced to be outside structures if they want to actually damage somenthing else.

Honestly I like the great open space DBL have because people will have to walk A LOT if they intent to run to hide inside a tower.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

DBL won’t be back on the 26th. We are shooting for late August right now.

Take your time, no rush.

Take 5 years if you want.

Xenesis.6389:

Teon.5168:

Xenesis.6389:

Try not to smack the hand that’s been trying to help you out.

Fwiw, I have always thought that your posts were pretty fair and open minded. I may have disagreed with you at times, but you have always seemed willing to logically discuss things, and especially where the dbl/abl mixed bl poll was concerned, you always seemed to want a good compromise, even when you didn’t like dbl.

Here’s hoping that when dbl does return, they have continued to make good tweaks to it. I didn’t like it either in its original form, but as I got used to it, and especially after the first round of tweaks to it, it was starting to grow on me.

Thanks Your post always seem to be level headed and positive, you’re one of those I respect around here, however much that’s worth lol.

I do try to keep an open mind to stuff, of course there may be some issues I get pig headed about, but overall I try to see things from both sides, what’s possible and what isn’t. I like seeing interesting ideas that are possible come up, and I like to try and promote them with my thoughts and ideas as well. Like the 2/1 was a very good compromise, it’s too bad we had to spend more than 4 weeks to finally decide on it.

In the end wvw should be about fun, no matter your role (even duelers) on whatever map you want to play.

Well, thanks, but my sarcastic nature tends to get in the way a lot of the time…..have gotten my fair share of suspensions here for going over the ‘polite’ line, I guess….lol.

And yea, completely agree with you on the mixed bls….geez, that poorly worded first poll sure wasted a ton of time, huh?

And yea, in the end, it IS all about fun.

dzeRnumbrd.6129:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

DBL won’t be back on the 26th. We are shooting for late August right now.

Take your time, no rush.

Take 5 years if you want.

You people lost. Get over it.

i hope that DBL will NEVER come back was horrible…jezz