Guild Wars 2

Max traits, as well.

The primary appeal in GW1 is that you can just hop in and PvP at maximum characteristic efficiency right out of the gate.

For GW2, Structured PvP allows this as well. But the same 4 maps or so can get boring, and after that, your only PvP option is WvW.

I’ve hopped into a WvW run as my level 55 Ele. It was made quite clear to me that even though my level scales up to 80, all that does for me is increase my base health. Without level 80 stats, my level 55 armor makes me get 1 shot, I lack any form of options with my traits, and I can’t even beat down a wooden door with my lack of power or a decent weapon.

WvW is strictly for level 80’s (unless you plan on being some sort of CC bot and pray to god nobody decides to target you). Leveling is such a turn-off from games for me. I realize that that’s a personal thing, but I know I’m far from the only one who feels this way.

From where I’m sittin’, I feel that there’s no REAL reason to make WvW based on your PvE status. WvW is a PvP event, and if people wanna show off their PvE prowess, then they should go do it in a PvE environment.

That being said, from what I hear, there needs to be more PvE content. But that’s another story.

The only reason I can think of to make WvW a PvE-based thing is because perhaps Anet feels that it will increase people’s play time by making them want to take the time to level so that they can WvW. However, I think that this is not the case. I’d wager at least 80% of people who are actual PvP’ers just do sPvP and ignore WvW because they don’t want to PvE to level 80 in order to do it. And I’d wager at least 90% of WvW’ers are just PvE’ers who want to casually participate in the Big Boy Game of PvP (sorry, just throwing a little PvP elitism in there, but it’s honestly how I view it).

What’s the general thoughts of this from you guys?

Fine as is. Leveling in WvW is a nice alternative to doing it in PvE, even if I have to stick with the zerg to do so.

Also I encounter far fewer 80’s than those who are being leveled up to 80.

So, that leaves the imagery that WvW is just used as a leveling method rather than a PvP method.

Shady C.5041:

So, that leaves the imagery that WvW is just used as a leveling method rather than a PvP method.

It is both a leveling method and a PvP method. You can think of it as playing on a PvP enabled MMO server where the quests objectives/mobs are towers/keeps/other players.

I’d also like to add that although I’ve only been doing WvW for a short time from lvl 40-55 now, I’ve racked up over 200 kills which is definitely nothing to brag about, but it is enough to know that I haven’t been useless while in WvW. I really don’t feel that you have to be 80 to enjoy WvW.

Let’s make WvW its own thing and leave spvp and pve be.

I spent the first two months or so after release only doing PvP. All my buddies were level 80 and I was level….6 I think (I admit – I got dragged into a little PvE <sad bears>). I thought WvW would be PvP lite but I was…somewhat wrong. You can find some really great PvP opportunities in WvW by staying with small groups or roaming solo but you can just as easily join with the zerg to change up the momentum. Now, I basically only WvW and never PvP. The level of “PvP competition” may not be as high, but I still find it more enjoyable. I leveled my Mesmer from level 6 to 80 solely from WvW and it was great. Mesmer was an ideal class for that though since it’s pretty easy to escape when needed.

I don’t think I ever got truly “one-shotted” but there were many, many times when I took an 80% hit to HP from one attack. I honestly didn’t find the level disparity to be that big an issue and it probably made me a better PvP’er by playing at such a large disadvantage for so long (i.e. my biggest attacks landing like 1.2k dmg). And I have to say, nothing was more satisfying than taking down a level 80 as an underleveled character. Now that I hit 80 I’ve been considering leveling a warrior through WvW.

Not sure if that helped but there you go.

Zid.4196:

Let’s make WvW its own thing and leave spvp and pve be.

But that’s the point of the thread… WvW and PvE are not separate.

Haldunius.7864:

I spent the first two months or so after release only doing PvP. All my buddies were level 80 and I was level….6 I think (I admit – I got dragged into a little PvE <sad bears>). I thought WvW would be PvP lite but I was…somewhat wrong. You can find some really great PvP opportunities in WvW by staying with small groups or roaming solo but you can just as easily join with the zerg to change up the momentum. Now, I basically only WvW and never PvP. The level of “PvP competition” may not be as high, but I still find it more enjoyable. I leveled my Mesmer from level 6 to 80 solely from WvW and it was great. Mesmer was an ideal class for that though since it’s pretty easy to escape when needed.

I don’t think I ever got truly “one-shotted” but there were many, many times when I took an 80% hit to HP from one attack. I honestly didn’t find the level disparity to be that big an issue and it probably made me a better PvP’er by playing at such a large disadvantage for so long (i.e. my biggest attacks landing like 1.2k dmg). And I have to say, nothing was more satisfying than taking down a level 80 as an underleveled character. Now that I hit 80 I’ve been considering leveling a warrior through WvW.

Not sure if that helped but there you go.

I can’t comment on the leveling rate of WvW since I don’t know. But you make it sound relatively speedy, so I may give it a try.

However, I can assure you that you did not kill a level 80 as a non-80. They were either not level 80, or if they were and you DID kill an 80, they were horrible and legitimately had a mental disability. (Like… legitimately. The ratio of video gamers with them is pretty high.)

Also, if you’ve never been 1-shot by an 80, you haven’t fought an 80 Thief or Warrior. They would literally 1-shot you. I do it to actual 80’s, I can’t imagine not doing it to someone with sub-80 armor and health.

JStyle.1423:

I’d also like to add that although I’ve only been doing WvW for a short time from lvl 40-55 now, I’ve racked up over 200 kills which is definitely nothing to brag about, but it is enough to know that I haven’t been useless while in WvW. I really don’t feel that you have to be 80 to enjoy WvW.

Being involved in 200 people dying is not actually getting 200 kills, though. You may feel like you contributed because YOU were doing everything in your power and you maximized your output. But it’s the same as it would be in like… World of Warcraft. Two level 85’s are fighting each other, and you’re the level 23 who landed a couple Fireballs for less than a percentage of their health. Know what I mean? You may have done all of your cooldowns and played really well to survive and land a thing or two on them, but ultimately, you’re just a fly buzzing in their ear.

I know because I’ve seen this from both ends in both games.

And perhaps I can view it, as you said, as a sort of World PvP environment where the quests are towers and players & whatnot, but that still just makes it a casual PvP format rather than an actual competitive one.

But, in the end, maybe that’s the point.

WvW is not PvP, its about tactics and strategy and teamwork, you wanna PvP go to sPvP.

A lvl 2 on an arrow cart does the same damage as a level 80 on an arrow cart. A level 15 carrying 10 supply rebuilds the same amount of wall a level 80 carrying 10 supply does.

Plenty of things lower levels can do to help in WvW, its not an ego competition to see who puts up the biggest numbers or kiss the most invaders, its about taking and holding fortifications.

In the end, any player regardless of level, is only as useful as they make themselves.

Yep. Lots to do along with the pvp side of it. Honestly, I need to try out the pve side of things. All I have done since beta…minus some personal storyline is WvW. I like it and have liked it since since my guy was a little lvl 4 or 5 minion.

So my vote is…its fine as it is.

@Shady C “And I’d wager at least 90% of WvW’ers are just PvE’ers who want to casually participate in the Big Boy Game of PvP”

You have no idea what you are talking about

bah,, Spvp elitists

WvW arent casual at all

ever tried fighting a 30 man zerg with a 10 men group? and said 30 man group is online to kill you 24/7

makes Spvp look casual